[Kay King]

Kay and others have a vested interest, (for obvious

Please don't presume to know what I think - because you don't.

At the very least, doctors offices will be closed, social platforms that are dominantly left will be dead quiet and a lot of so called health experts will go into hiding.

That's your prediction? When will this happen? - a quiet social media would be refreshing.

[tagiscom]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Please don't presume to know what I think - because you don't.

No, you are right Kay, l will probably never know.

That's your prediction? When will this happen? - a quiet social media would be refreshing.

Not my prediction, but others which is all tied up in politics or saving their arses, so l can't discuss it here.

Quiet is good but not dead.

[savidge4]

So there is a doctor in England I believe ( could be wrong there ) Dr. John Campbell that I have been watching on Youtube for a good amount of time now. A very straight forward gentleman, a solid medically knowledge. Leaned very much to the side of getting vaccinated. but even with that, I felt and still feel Dr. Campbell was and is that center point of information between the extremes. Just very factual given the data he had before him.

The video below is his overview of the first set of data released by Pfizer. If you watch Dr Campbell for any amount of time, you can just SEE IT in this video - he is not overly happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM

I strongly believe that when the Moderna data is released it will actually be worse - based on what I was able to see at the time ( pre December 2021 through August 2021 ) and now understanding the gaps in what I was able to see with the Pfizer - and the ACTUAL data sets - Moderna's data may more than likely be ugly.

You can go back in this very thread and see my concern with the data that WAS presented at the time - and NOW to understand that the data presented then, was not the whole truth - or even close to the whole truth is disturbing.

Sadly in todays world... someone like myself understands that these reports are absolutely bucking the Narrative in play - and not much will come of it - Anything other than the Narrative will still be considered right extreme thinking.

My biggest heartbreak in all of this... The Scientific community... the Medical community had / has all of these data bases of what was thought to be truthful research and data - and these documents are proof that that may not always be the case. So now looking at such reports and data you have to wonder what is factual and what has been altered?

And the question we will never know the answer to... WHY? What was goal here? How and Where was this twisted and manipulated - and again WHY?

PS.. take a moment and read the comments on that video as well

[Kay King]

I know you will zap me for this but is this the same 'Campbell'?

Campbell received a diploma in nursing from the University of London and Bachelor of Science in biology from the Open University. He subsequently earned a Master of Science in health science from the University of Lancaster and a Ph.D. in nursing education from the University of Bolton.[5] The doctorate was awarded in 2013 for work on developing teaching methods using digital media such as online videos.[5]

Before I spend 20+ minutes listening to expert advice - I want to know who the expert is. The person above is highly educated in Nursing and has a Ph.D. in nursing education which accounts for the Dr. title.



True - he does have extensive health care education and experience but as a nurse and nursing educator, not a researcher or medical doctor. If this is not the same person, sorry.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

I have no doubt there will be stark revelations in the future about failures of vaccs or of treatments during this pandemic. But I believe the biggest failures will be revealed when we know the truth about what persons profited from this pandemic either monetarily or politically.

In my view the big truth that will someday be accepted is that scientific fact was twisted by politics throughout the pandemic.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Kay King

In my view the big truth that will someday be accepted is that scientific fact was twisted by politics throughout the pandemic.

One thing I learned from the last two years is that...one side always declares that the other side is wrong and trying to destroy the country. So they have to take the opposite view.

That's why I discount research from Youtube videos, Facebook posts, or what I see on any TV program. Even when they show actual facts, those facts are interpreted in the most extreme twisted way, to support the idea that they are the ones that are telling the truth, and "The other side" is lying.

By the way, even though we are now ignoring Covid because of other news...there are still over 1,300 Covid deaths a day (on a 7 day running average) in the US.

That's roughly the average daily death count over the last two years. We are just getting used to it.

So this isn't over. Although it could easily be.

[savidge4]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I know you will zap me for this but is this the same 'Campbell'?

Before I spend 20+ minutes listening to expert advice - I want to know who the expert is. The person above is highly educated in Nursing and has a Ph.D. in nursing education which accounts for the Dr. title.



True - he does have extensive health care education and experience but as a nurse and nursing educator, not a researcher or medical doctor. If this is not the same person, sorry.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

I have no doubt there will be stark revelations in the future about failures of vaccs or of treatments during this pandemic. But I believe the biggest failures will be revealed when we know the truth about what persons profited from this pandemic either monetarily or politically.

In my view the big truth that will someday be accepted is that scientific fact was twisted by politics throughout the pandemic.

It is apparently the same person... He is / well was very pro vaccination. I have a tendency to follow both sides of an issue. If you have ever watched him at all he is very even keeled. Like this very video his overall MO is to take reports such as this and go through them and then hi-light points, basically condensing the information.

Again most of his material was very to the left as it were. If you had watched him for any amount of time.. you would be able to tell when watching this he was upset... disturbed... not comfortable... cant put the right word on it... not comfortable for sure, like he had been betrayed.

The reality is you can simply read the report for yourself: ( https://phmpt.org/ [5.3.6 postmarketing experience.pdf] ) its ugly.. and that is only data from the 1st quarter of the Pandemic.... the remaining time frame and studies will be released in increments until August I believe.

Without question there is a money trail here, not so sure we will ever know the full extent of it... it will just be suppressed like this report basically has been.

What gets real interesting is the "New" revelation of the biolabs in Ukraine that had agreements / grants with the NIH ( that part isnt being reported )

[Kay King]

What gets real interesting is the "New" revelation of the biolabs in Ukraine that had agreements / grants with the NIH ( that part isnt being reported )

It's in the news to some extent but I'd say 'more info to come' on this one. Consider covid may have been from a lab (and for some reason no one pushing that investigation all that hard) and this latest lab issue....doesn't it make you wonder HOW much money we are spending on research in (how many?) other countries....and why? Could it be those countries don't have the restrictions, ethical requirements, safety protocols and animal testing regulations we have here in the USA?

I have a tendency to follow both sides of an issue.

That's a good thing in my view - I have a tendency to pick apart both sides.

[max5ty]

Originally Posted by savidge4

What gets real interesting is the "New" revelation of the biolabs in Ukraine that had agreements / grants with the NIH ( that part isnt being reported )

Please don't fall for the propaganda that this is "new" news.

These have been known for years. They do not produce biological weapons.

The only reason some consider it "new" is because they're more tuned into the news right now.

Please do your research on this because it's not new and it's not what some (without mentiong names) would have you believe

[savidge4]

Originally Posted by max5ty

Please don't fall for the propaganda that this is "new" news.

These have been known for years. They do not produce biological weapons.

The only reason some consider it "new" is because they're more tuned into the news right now.

Please do your research on this because it's not new and it's not what some (without mentiong names) would have you believe

Its not "new", I know... nor are the other facilities around the world that are indirectly funded by US Science Grants.

Again understanding the science community to a degree and the "need" to publish it is not hard for one to find some interesting research. Research that I might add is never done in the States... always abroad, and more often than not in facilities that reside in countries we as Americans would assume are "advisories"

Look up "Nataliya Vynograd" for giggles. 176 published documents... and then really get into a rabbit hole and start looking up all of the co-authors as well. Not saying Nataliya is worth the deep search, but by association... lets just say things get interesting.

When conspiracies can be backed by published fact.. that you can find on the internet..doesnt make them so much conspiracies now does it?

It was/still is a conspiracy to think that the Covid Vaccination wasnt all that... but it was documented then... and now even more damning documents are going to be released... not such a conspiracy now is it?

If one is to believe that say Russia is feeding misinformation - and they probably are - but then it is responded with further misinformation, one has to understand there is a middle here somewhere... I actually went down the research of all of this with the Wuhan thing.. and was looking at other facilities that ended up being around the world, that pretty much facilitate the same type of research, and happened to be funded by the same organizations.

If you wants to get into consiracies..one has to ask WHY are US dollars paying for this less than legal in the States activity abroad, in non member countries.

Start looking at members here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemic...ons_Convention

It is REAL easy for the State Dept to state "we are NOT" because they are not... The US Govt wasnt funding Wuhan.. the NIH was and still is - with Money from the US Govt - but thats beside the point. And this is where i say if you look at the misinformation from say Russia... you have to look at the misinformation from the States response.

Lets throw a good example at this... the ID.ME thing with accessing IRS information... the Govt hires a 3rd party to hold a goldmine of a Facial Recognition database - and they will cry - oh we dont have access to it.... they are PAYING for it... they have access

But anyways... do I believe what I might see on some news channel... uh NO.. do I believe what I might read in terms of untainted and innocently published scientific works - yeah, I can say that I might. Anything other than the SOURCE and its just a twisted mess.

[max5ty]

@savidge4 - thanks for your comments. I'm quite sure we'll both be watching how this plays out

[Mark Singletary]

https://us.cnn.com/2022/03/13/health...ose/index.html

Pfizer's CEO says we need a fourth shot, just like he said we needed a third shot.

This just rubs me the wrong way. Any CEO in a for profit business is going to try to sell more versus selling less. And yes, supposedly, the FDA will study it out but the Pfizer CEO was right about the third shot at least as far as the FDA rapidly approving it.

He's also said kids need this or that and other pronouncements but all pointing to selling more.

Now, I have no reason to doubt his integrity. And their medicine has saved a lot of people's lives and reduced suffering. My life is a little, scratch that a lot easier and I'm still alive, because of Pfizer made drugs.

However, this all just seems wrong, like the tail wagging the dog or similar.

Mark

[Princess Balestra]

This the longest runnin' thread here on WF?

Certainly it is the providah of the diversest range of hoppinuum evah.

Howevah, I wondah if the Yookraine & germ warfare don't warrant sum othah threads openin'?

All of their very own?

Gotta hope GordonJ opened up this Covid smoochpoint to garner focussed thinkin' steada Hey C'Mon Y'all 'Bout Anythin'.

That is how the best magnets work.

Plus also I would naht wish to see proto-genocide hobby horsin' offa the back of no virus.

Discrimination, nevah, between peoples. Discrimination, always, between things.

[Profit Traveler]

There is now a Deltacron?

Then THAT would explain a 4th shot purely from a logical thinking SPOCK mind from Star Trek.

Yes greed is always prevalent but it's like gas prices...you have a Tesla or you do not.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

https://us.cnn.com/2022/03/13/health...ose/index.html

Pfizer's CEO says we need a fourth shot, just like he said we needed a third shot.

Mark

We did need a third shot. The first two were less effective against the Omicron variant.

Of course they are trying to make money. Of course they have their own interests at heart. Just like every company. Just like every person.

But the CDC and other organizations will tell us when another vaccine is needed. There are laws and checks that keep drug companies from selling snake oil.

It's possible that every new strain of the virus is going to need a separate vaccine. Like the flu shots. And it's possible that the strains will weaken enough that vaccines are not really necessary.

This isn't directed at you personally...

Humans have a need to create enemies. Usually nebulous, impersonal, powerful enemies. Someone to blame. Someone to band against. A Goliath to our David.

"Big Corporations" is a meme. Big Pharma" is another.

But these companies don't exist without the employees. Without employees, a Big Corporation is just a huge building.

Like Big Pharma being evil. Who is evil exactly? The accountants? The scientists? the researchers? The janitors?

It's just interesting to me how we create these Boogey Men.

And again, this wasn't directed at you. Your post just triggered the thought.

Added later; My wife has a highly educated niece who was at our home for a family dinner. She was talking about "Big Corporations" and how evil they are. I asked "Don't you work at Anheuser-Busch? (She's a chemist there).

She said "You know I do".

I said "It doesn't get much bigger than that. Tell me...who is evil there? Are you evil? Do you work for an evil company?"

Of course not. But most people work for major corporations. And for some reason, theirs isn't the evil one.

[DWolfe]

Article that may impact a few on this forum, if it drags out.

Bloomberg News
Mon, March 14, 2022, 10:00 a.m.·8 min read

China Locks Down Shenzhen, Province of 24 Million Over Covid
In this article:

" (Bloomberg) -- China placed the 17.5 million residents of Shenzhen into lockdown for at least a week and forbade people from leaving Jilin, the first time the government has sealed off an entire province since the area surrounding Wuhan was isolated in early 2020.


The Shenzhen lockdown, which came after new virus cases doubled nationwide to almost 3,400, will be accompanied by three rounds of city-wide mass testing. Called with little notice on Sunday, the order followed earlier restrictions on Shenzhen’s central business district and will last until March 20.

All bus and subway systems in the city were shut, along with businesses providing non-essential services, spurring a key Apple Inc. supplier to halt production. Residents will be barred from leaving the city, which is home to the headquarters of tech giants Huawei Technologies Co. and Tencent Holdings Ltd. Shenzhen Yantian Port remains operational, albeit with tighter Covid controls. "

[Kay King]

51 million people on full lockdown in response to 3400 cases...seems extreme.

[Skywriting]

Originally Posted by Kay King

51 million people on full lockdown in response to 3400 cases...seems extreme.

Likely its a non lethal variant and they will figure that out pretty fast.
My last exposure had symptoms that lasted about 12 hours.

[max5ty]

Originally Posted by Kay King

51 million people on full lockdown in response to 3400 cases...seems extreme.

China has said this story is false.

Who really knows?

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...er-2022-03-23/

[Kay King]

Stories like that really stretch the imagination, which is why I mentioned it. CBS, NYT, etc have published this as fact but....



What is odd to watch right now are the efforts in some states/cities to KEEP the mask mandates 'going'...and going and going. Multiple studies out have clearly shown unless you are wearing n-95 (which people aren't because they are uncomfortable), masks don't do anything for you.


It seems as if some people have adopted masks as 'safe places' and can't bear to part with them? There are still people in my area who wear masks in stores, etc and I'm sure they have their reasons. It doesn't require a 'mandate' to wear a mask. Mandates at this point seem like only a power play.

[lanfear63]

Well, here we are. Total deaths in the US are just under a million. That's one 6th of the total deaths recorded across the world. Tomorrow we will pass that threshold.

[WF- Enzo]

This thread has been restored.

[Princess Balestra]

Originally Posted by WF- Enzo

This thread has been restored.

Such is the powah of replication.

We at a noo stage now than where we wharre in 2020.

Total confoosion. No antidote. Maxo denial.

Remembah that?

Nuthin's same as it was — but no year leaves us unchanged, so hey.

But I would wanna pick up on the theme of restoration.

Seems we all gone through plenty, all seen weirdsy changes, an' mebbe now all see common ground undah feet.


(Plenty don't, but they was gonna shoot you in the ass anyways.)

So what is restored for evrywan as we head toward 2023 with less of an eye on mucus an' more of a focus on whatevahness?

Gotta hope we emerge kinda succorful from outta this, steada jus' suckers.

Wouldn't you wanna deserve that, even if it were but a wish?

For sure the narrative of THREAT TO THE FREE, as scripted by none othah than THE MALIGN, has revealed itself in heliotrope an' banana.

Now nowan is distracted in real time, likely we can pore ovah the details.

Gotta hope evrywan is sweet on alla our next adventyoorous steps out.

[max5ty]

I think the war made the whole Coronavirus bad memories fade. Replaced by other bad things, but at least maybe this one is behind us...

I think Gordon has the most commented post in WF history and I like it because I was looking back at the beginning of the thread and it reminded me of everything that happened.

It's a good post to remember 2020 by.

Hopefully, we don't ever return to something like this

[Kay King]

My son and his wife left Saturday for the Cayman Islands...i was surprised to learn they had to 'test' on Friday and have verified results....and they have to 'test' before they return to the US...even though current covid cases in the Caymans is listed as '0'.


Man- I'd love to know who owns stock in the testing companies....they sure are pushing them.

[Profit Traveler]

6 Million world wide deaths of COVID and some people still living in an alternate reality.

"New York City's mayor exempted athletes and performers from the city's vaccine mandate following weeks of pressure from the sports world."

Gotta boost that economy right. Do dead people shop? Do rich people isolate? Do bosses mandate that workers come in when the bosses do not have to?

[WF- Enzo]

Kyrie Irving comes to mind

Originally Posted by Profit Traveler

6 Million world wide deaths of COVID and some people still living in an alternate reality.

"New York City's mayor exempted athletes and performers from the city's vaccine mandate following weeks of pressure from the sports world."

Gotta boost that economy right. Do dead people shop? Do rich people isolate? Do bosses mandate that workers come in when the bosses do not have to?

[agmccall]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Man- I'd love to know who owns stock in the testing companies....they sure are pushing them.

Same people that own stock in the vaccine companies. Senators, Congressmen/women, the family and friends of those. You know, Everyone that tried and succeeded to scare the sheeple.

al

[Profit Traveler]

Originally Posted by agmccall

Same people that own stock in the vaccine companies. Senators, Congressmen/women, the family and friends of those. You know, Everyone that tried and succeeded to scare the sheeple.

al

What's the word for the 6 Million dead and the ones taking up space in hospitals?

Also if economy is more important than safety investing in those stocks would be a chess move I would think for those that share that view.

I am sure Ivermectin had a great ride. For whatever reason.

[Josh Cruz]

Me and my boss were talking about the same thing! I wonder what will happen?

[Mark Singletary]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainm...bc7416f08524cd

This is an interesting read, whether you like him or not, about how Howard Stern's fear despite being vaxxed, may make him lose his audience and business.

Do you think a lot of people are still afraid? Or wearing masks when most aren't or staying at home instead of integrating back into society?

It's exploded (relatively speaking) here even while the government is continuously reducing previous restrictions. 99%+ have light or no symptoms. But the numbers, with what we've been used to, are a little scary.

Mark

[Frank Donovan]

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

Do you think a lot of people are still afraid? Or wearing masks when most aren't or staying at home instead of integrating back into society?

Where I live (in the UK), it's almost as though Covid never happened. There are a few (mostly elderly) still wearing masks, but everywhere's open and people are just going about their business.

[WF- Enzo]

Seeing another surge here...

[DWolfe]

Some interesting news came out yesterday & today. North Korea finally came out today and announced they have a covid-19 outbreak. Without getting political the poverty and lack of health care the death toll is going to escalate quickly. Source - https://apnews.com/article/covid-hea...187b853d0622ee

[Kay King]

My guess is the death toll and number of cases are already a LOT more than we're being told. I don't think NK would mention it unless they are having a serious problem with covid.

[Mark Singletary]

I don't think anyone with half a brain truly believes NK escaped this long with zero cases.

Mark

[WF- Enzo]

Poor healthcare and (probably) limited vaccine access could possibly worsen their situation.

Originally Posted by DWolfe

Some interesting news came out yesterday & today. North Korea finally came out today and announced they have a covid-19 outbreak. Without getting political the poverty and lack of health care the death toll is going to escalate quickly. Source - https://apnews.com/article/covid-hea...187b853d0622ee

[Profit Traveler]

Originally Posted by WF- Enzo

Poor healthcare and (probably) limited vaccine access could possibly worsen their situation.

That was really amazing a Judge felt she was a Doctor and proclaimed flying in a sardine can at 30,000 feet with no masks was now allowed and perfectly safe.

She stated Masks do nothing...“At most, it traps virus droplets.

EXACTLY...what they are meant for.

[Kay King]

Not sure how that applies to North Korea - but no one is stopping anyone from wearing a mask. Just stopping those who want to mandate for others.

[Profit Traveler]

Current Headlines from just ONE State...

"Coronavirus cases in California rising fast, with some regions seeing infections double"


If people are being jailed for coughing on people ...what is the difference?

Intentional and passive infection spread?

Anyone who catches COVID on a plane should hold the Judge liable. In my humble.

(I have editor on 3 size but font looking larger.) Probably from adding a headline copy and paste.

[Kay King]

Cases are up - hospitalizations and deaths are down.



Are they still wearing masks in your country? On flights there?

[Profit Traveler]

Not sure why you insinuate anyone traveling is no longer American. My passport says otherwise.
Are my relatives just friends now? And even so...

If deaths were up some would still be talking about mandates. Even one death that could have been saved means something.

[WF- Enzo]

Here in PH, cases are up and people are complacent.

Originally Posted by Kay King

Cases are up - hospitalizations and deaths are down.



Are they still wearing masks in your country? On flights there?

[Mark Singletary]

In Taiwan cases are way up as well as deaths relatively speaking.

There is still a mask mandate through May but I'm sure it will be extended. All tourists and most students, business people, etc. are not allowed to travel here yet. That is for family members only basically. When coming in there is still a forced quarantine stay in a government approved hotel with strict rules that you can't even stick your foot out the door.

Other than that, closures, social distancing, contact tracing, and other measures have all pretty much been abandoned. Many schools are doing remote study temporarily. Once the numbers go down a bit they'll be back in the classroom. They do it on a school by school basis - in a county some schools may be open while others are not.

Mark

PS It's interesting that on many days people with 3 shots are dying at the same rate as those who haven't had any shots.

Originally Posted by Kay King

Cases are up - hospitalizations and deaths are down.



Are they still wearing masks in your country? On flights there?

[Kay King]

Mark - why do you think Taiwan is surging now? It's a huge change just in the past month...are hospitals filling up there? Philippines and some other countries are seeing covid surges.

Here in PH, cases are up and people are complacent.

It's like an adrenaline rush - you cannot maintain a crisis state indefinitely...unless bombs are falling. People adapt to the reality and go on with life. They also read the revised numbers - read the expert opinions about latest variants, etc. Day after day, the sky DOES NOT fall...and the public's attention moves to the next issue or crisis.

Not sure why you insinuate anyone traveling is no longer American. My passport says otherwise.

I get that and I don't really mean to do that. It's not the nationality that I refer to. I understand concern about a home country or family living there - I don't understand the negativity that seems to flavor the comments. I've heard several comments by ex-pats who thing the US is not taking covid seriously now...but they are not living the reality of high inflation, of store shelves empty of baby formula, etc.


I found an interesting map online that tracks by state and hotspots:


https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map


It shows increases on the left and right sides of the US with fairly stable numbers in flyover country.

[max5ty]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Day after day, the sky DOES NOT fall...and the public's attention moves to the next issue or crisis.

I thought we were moving on to monkeypox now. If it's not one thing...

[Kay King]

Good point - now how do we quarantine the entire country for 4-5 months based on one confirmed case (confirmed in nov 21) and one suspected case in the US? Also reports of 'potential'cases whatever that means.

In 2003, forty-seven confirmed and probable cases of monkeypox were reported from six states—Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Missouri, Ohio, and Wisconsin.

(quote is from the CDC) It was published that pet prairie dogs were the reason for those cases.

But it wasn't widely reported as a 'potential pandemic'. And I have yet to hear any newscaster refer to that cluster of cases 9 years ago.

Why the Monkeypox reports now? Because we are 'pandemic focused' - but perhaps more than that.

The CDC/administration just recommended vaccines for 5-12 yr old and perhaps for younger children as well. The FDA does not seem to agree with this.... Could the CDC be trying to 'refocus' the conversation? I'm far from an anti-vaxer but I would think long and hard before giving these shots to young children.

[DWolfe]

Originally Posted by max5ty

I thought we were moving on to monkeypox now. If it's not one thing...

Don Lemmon on CNN last night was interviewing a person from the CDC. What the guy was saying, is there are a few cases. The outbreaks in Europe are a result of Rave Parties. They caution about a few things. The most interesting point is that Small Pox vaccines are effective in controlling the virus. They were also warning about the outbreaks in the gay community. But stated it is not a sexually transmitted disease.

Did people see what was going on in Shanghai the past few weeks with zero tolerance? They have the city locked down. One reporter was stuck there for months.

[socialentry]

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

I don't think anyone with half a brain truly believes NK escaped this long with zero cases.

Mark

Some people believe the US did fantastic during the pandemic.

[tagiscom]

Originally Posted by socialentry

Some people believe the US did fantastic during the pandemic.

Sweden did a fantastic job.

[socialentry]

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Sweden did a fantastic job.

Oh I forgot to mention tagiscom believe Sweden did a fantastic job too.



Thanks Shane.