Join Google In The Fight Against Internet Control

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Google has launched a campaign against attempts to control the internet

https://www.google.com/takeaction/?u...freeandopen_en

"The internet is in danger.

There’s a meeting between the world’s governments in a just a few weeks, and it could very well decide the future of the internet through a binding international treaty. It’s called the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT), and it’s being organized by a government-controlled UN agency called the International Telecommunication Union (ITU).

If some proposals at WCIT are approved, decisions about the internet would be made by a top-down, old-school government-centric agency behind closed doors. Some proposals allow for access to be cut off more easily, threaten privacy, legitimize monitoring and blocking online traffic. Others seek to impose new fees for accessing content, not to mention slowing down connection speeds. If the delicate balance of the internet is upset, it could have grave consequences for businesses and human rights."

http://www.protectinternetfreedom.org/

https://www.whatistheitu.org/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Splorf - considering how much control of the net Google tries to assert. Sorry, but "Free and Open" to Google means your content is free and open to Google, but then Google decides what of your content, if anything, is found in search; how far down below paid search results it appears; and the latest ... Google hoarding for itself the search phrases people use to find websites.

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    • Profile picture of the author Indecision
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Splorf - considering how much control of the net Google tries to assert. Sorry, but "Free and Open" to Google means your content is free and open to Google, but then Google decides what of your content, if anything, is found in search; how far down below paid search results it appears; and the latest ... Google hoarding for itself the search phrases people use to find websites.

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      Poor analogy, people use Google by choice, don't like google then use yahoo or bing instead. As for paid advertising, it works the same way with tv/magazine adverts, pay less money get a weaker slot, smaller advert, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dustin Blevins
    Ya you have got to be kidding me. They just don't want anyone else to control it. They want to be the ones controlling it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
    Despite Google trying to own the internet, I would rather back them in this because regulation will destroy this amazing innovation. Everybody who works online should sign it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    As if controlling the search engine game isn't enough... my goodness what's next? A new division at Area 51?
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    I got to agree Google got to be kidding us. This is not about open internet, they are trying to charge Google for getting information from newspapers.

    Google is after his own benefit only. I didn't see Google bother to shake the internet when SOPA was about to crack it.

    If Google really cared about people and supported them when they needed so, he would get enough support.
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  • Profile picture of the author kurtbai
    The Free Masons wants to censor the internet to control the mass, no matter what others say Google's is only aftering their own benefit, I totally support Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by kurtbai View Post

      The Free Masons wants to censor the internet to control the mass, no matter what others say Google's is only aftering their own benefit, I totally support Google.

      Wow!!

      I haven't heard of the Masonic Conspiracy Theory in years...

      And, I am certainly more inclined to believe a Google Conspiracy Theory or a U.N. Conspiracy Theory. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Wow!!

        I haven't heard of the Masonic Conspiracy Theory in years...

        And, I am certainly more inclined to believe a Google Conspiracy Theory or a U.N. Conspiracy Theory. :p
        Most people don't know this but: Masonic Conspiracy Theory = U.N. Conspiracy Theory
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    To hell with Google. They are trying to control the internet, but they don't want anybody to control it? This is an Internet Marketing forum, and Google hates internet marketers, so I'll Pass.

    My free time will be better spent volunteering in my kid's school...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think some in this thread don't know the story behind google's efforts - it's been in the news lately. There is a growing sentiment that the internet should be under the control of the U.N. Of course, that sentiment comes from countries wanting to profit from or restrict access to the web.

      Google is U.S. based - I.C.A.N.N. is U.S. based - do you want the internet controlled by the U.N. with fees assessed by countries for your site to show up? Not sure the U.S. currently has the clout to shut down this move - google might be able to raise awareness.

      Is the UN the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? - Businessweek

      You think google censors you? That will be nothing compared to the plan being presented at the U.N. It's one of those proposals that will get attention - then fade away only to come back stronger in the future. Google is trying to prepare for a fight...at least the folks there are paying attention to the threat.

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      • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think some in this thread don't know the story behind google's efforts - it's been in the news lately. There is a growing sentiment that the internet should be under the control of the U.N. Of course, that sentiment comes from countries wanting to profit from or restrict access to the web.

        Google is U.S. based - I.C.A.N.N. is U.S. based - do you want the internet controlled by the U.N. with fees assessed by countries for your site to show up? Not sure the U.S. currently has the clout to shut down this move - google might be able to raise awareness.

        Is the UN the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? - Businessweek

        You think google censors you? That will be nothing compared to the plan being presented at the U.N. It's one of those proposals that will get attention - then fade away only to come back stronger in the future. Google is trying to prepare for a fight...at least the folks there are paying attention to the threat.

        kay
        Very worrying. I don't like Google but they pose no threat to me, I can just choose another platform like Bing or Facebook to make money. But if the UN controls the entire internet, you can bet they will regulate the content and it wont be as easy for us to make money online.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think some in this thread don't know the story behind google's efforts - it's been in the news lately. There is a growing sentiment that the internet should be under the control of the U.N. Of course, that sentiment comes from countries wanting to profit from or restrict access to the web.

        Google is U.S. based - I.C.A.N.N. is U.S. based - do you want the internet controlled by the U.N. with fees assessed by countries for your site to show up? Not sure the U.S. currently has the clout to shut down this move - google might be able to raise awareness.

        Is the UN the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? - Businessweek

        You think google censors you? That will be nothing compared to the plan being presented at the U.N. It's one of those proposals that will get attention - then fade away only to come back stronger in the future. Google is trying to prepare for a fight...at least the folks there are paying attention to the threat.

        kay
        The U.N. and what it stands for as a whole, is a threat to the whole world, and no one even knows it. I wont go there, can't on this forum.

        Either way, Google, U.N. and any other company or organization that monopolizes and is after world domination and control online or offline needs to be shut down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I got to agree Google got to be kidding us. This is not about open internet, they are trying to charge Google for getting information from newspapers.
    That's all it is, Google should sandbox itself, for scraping duplicate content
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    internet should be under the control of the U.N
    That will never happen, maybe in North Korea, but not anywhere else. Google only cares about one thing, and that is Google.

    at least the folks there are paying attention to the threat
    The only threat is to Google pockets...
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Google also has a bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in buying
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      Google also has a bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in buying
      LMAO

      Google could give two spits about us, so why should we jump to save them

      Ten's of millions of dollars are lost from businesses due to click fraud, how much of that money has Google returned to those businesses?
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      • Profile picture of the author maximus242
        Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

        LMAO

        Google could give two spits about us, so why should we jump to save them

        Ten's of millions of dollars are lost from businesses due to click fraud, how much of that money has Google returned to those businesses?
        Its about preventing governments from having global domination of the internet. If passed, the govt will be dictating to you what you can and cant do.

        How would you like to pay tax and a fee on every email you send?

        How would you like dozens of regulations dictating what you can do from now on with your website?

        How would you like a govt to be able to take away the website you've been building for the last 10 years because they didnt like your way of doing things?

        Maybe Google isnt so bad after all

        If you think things are bad now, go ahead, do nothing. Then see what its like trying to market online.

        Google will seem as sweet as a kitten compared to whatll happen
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
          Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

          Its about preventing governments from having global domination of the internet. If passed, the govt will be dictating to you what you can and cant do.

          How would you like to pay tax and a fee on every email you send?

          How would you like dozens of regulations dictating what you can do from now on with your website?

          How would you like a govt to be able to take away the website you've been building for the last 10 years because they didnt like your way of doing things?

          Maybe Google isnt so bad after all
          That is nonsense, pay tax on every email sent? "If passed, the govt will be dictating to you what you can and cant do"

          This isn't North Korea, the American people as well as other free countries would not stand for it. This is just Google trying to protect it's own interest. Google just wants to keep its free reigns to do what it wants to the internet...
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          • Profile picture of the author maximus242
            Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

            That is nonsense, pay tax on every email sent? "If passed, the govt will be dictating to you what you can and cant do"

            This isn't North Korea, the American people as well as other free countries would not stand for it. This is just Google trying to protect it's own interest. Google just wants to keep its free reigns to do what it wants to the internet...
            Ever heard of Guantanamo Bay?

            A fee based model per email was thought of a long time ago, if the UN had control they could finally impose it

            This is not Google trying to protect its own interests, your website loses the same rights Googles does. Google has a website, you have a website. You both get screwed by this

            It was free, democratic countries trying to impose SOPA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Maybe the internet does need monitoring. How many innocent people have been scammed out of billions over the years? or when Kim Dotcom made hundreds of millions by promoting piracy?

    You know who pays for piracy? We all do, the people who buy stuff legally, and get the loses pass on to us.

    Google is just trying to make it sound worse then what it is, and it's only a proposal that won't even make it through.
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    Google? Bah hum bug screw them. Let them fight their own fight, they've done enough to screw us haven't they?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    It was free, democratic countries trying to impose SOPA
    No it was greedy politicians who tried to impose SOPA, and where was Google when that was going on?
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    Greedy politicians from free democratic countries
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

      Greedy politicians from free democratic countries

      I'm not going to go back and forth with you dude. You have your opinion and I respect it, and I have mine

      There is a pros and cons to everything
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    At the end of the day, Google is looking out for Google.

    How many times have you visited a site, only to have Google ads following you around the internet with ads related to the first site you visited?

    Who is spying on who, and who is trying to control who?

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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    "
    Not all governments support the free and open Internet.

    There is a growing backlash on Internet freedom. Forty-two countries filter and censor content. In just the last two years, governments have enacted 19 new laws threatening online free expression.


    Some of these governments are trying to use a closed-door meeting in December to regulate the Internet.

    The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) is bringing together regulators from around the world to re-negotiate a decades-old communications treaty.


    Proposed changes to the treaty could increase censorship and threaten innovation.

    Some proposals could permit governments to censor legitimate speech — or even allow them to cut off Internet access.

    Other proposals would require services like YouTube, Facebook, and Skype to pay new tolls in order to reach people across borders. This could limit access to information — particularly in emerging markets.

    The ITU is also secretive. The treaty conference and proposals are confidential."

    Sure your not going to be paying to send emails? Facebook will be. Your next.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Not all governments support the free and open Internet.

      There is a growing backlash on Internet freedom. Forty-two countries filter and censor content.
      This may be a shock ... but a lot of countries are not "free and open". They are communist, socialist, run by dictators, etc. Trying to ram a "free and open" Internet down their throats is not going to work. I can think of a lot of ways Uncle Sam is not "free and open."

      Here's the irony ... Google isn't "free and open" either.

      Try to run an Adwords ad to your WSO on the Warrior Forum. Guess what? The forum is on a url ban list (aka censorship).

      Try to run an Adwords ad with an affiliate link directly to a ClickBank offer. Then count the minutes until the permanent ban hits.

      How many threads about YouTube bans do we have?

      How many webmasters spend their days trying to comply with Google's ever changing "rules" dictating their website content, structure, backlinks, etc. Having a paid backlink is completely irrelevant to the content and value of a website - so why should it cause rankings to be punished?

      Are there government controls worth looking out for? Absolutely! But claims like this are IMHO are over the top:

      How would you like to pay tax and a fee on every email you send?
      The biggest threat to many online businesses is Google. There are forum members from around the world. Interestingly, complaints, problems and concerns they have seem to gravitate around Big G and not particular governments.

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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    Thats because governments have yet to gain control over the internet. There hasnt been anything to complain about, because they have yet to have any power over it.

    Its like saying "well the dictator hasnt done anything wrong yet" before he has become president. As you can see in Egypt, once they have power people can act very differently.

    They ARE looking to tax facebook, twitter, etc. For every message they send into the country.

    You honestly dont believe that emails are next?

    They've been talking about taxing emails for years, if they pass these acts facebook and twitter will start paying taxes for every bite of information they send. The same extension can easily go to email marketers.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      They ARE looking to tax facebook, twitter, etc. For every message they send into the country.
      Who is "they"?

      If a message is being sent "into" a country that means it originates "out" of the country. How exactly are "they" going to tax a non-resident?

      it's being organized by a government-controlled UN agency
      What government?

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      • Profile picture of the author maximus242
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Who is "they"?

        If a message is being sent "into" a country that means it originates "out" of the country. How exactly are "they" going to tax a non-resident?

        What government?

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        If some proposals at WCIT are approved, decisions about the internet would be made by a top-down, old-school government-centric agency behind closed doors. Some proposals allow for access to be cut off more easily, threaten privacy, legitimize monitoring and blocking online traffic. Others seek to impose new fees for accessing content, not to mention slowing down connection speeds. If the delicate balance of the internet is upset, it could have grave consequences for businesses and human rights.

        https://www.whatistheitu.org/

        " Other proposals would require services like YouTube, Facebook, and Skype to pay new tolls in order to reach people across borders. This could limit access to information — particularly in emerging markets."

        https://www.google.com/intl/en/takea...hats-at-stake/

        If Google and Facebook have to pay more then those added costs get passed on in the form of higher prices for anyone using Adwords or Facebook traffic!

        In other words, its we the advertisers who end up paying for this!

        Just means our prices are going up and our profits are being eroded to governmental bodies
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      No it was greedy politicians who tried to impose SOPA, and where was Google when that was going on?
      Opposing it.

      Alex, you may not like Google, and that's fine, I'm not their biggest fan either ... but sometimes the things they do that are in their own best interests are also in our best interests.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    In many ways, the US controls the Internet, or vast portions of it, and other countries have long disliked that fact.

    For example, guess which one country has the power to take down a .com domain whenever it wants? Guess which one country has accelerated its use of that power to protect large copyright owners?

    The US is able to extradite and imprison individuals from around the world for violating US law via the Internet. When was the last time you heard of other countries successfully doing this?

    Don't you imagine other countries would also like such powers?

    Discussions about "UN control" or treaties are nothing new.

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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    Yes you are right with the points you make.

    However what it means is that our profits are going to start erroding and being passed onto governments in the form of value added taxes.

    I for one prefer to keep the profits to myself, instead of paying for someones new Mercedes because I want to send out an email or tweet someone.

    It also means that the taxes facebook and google will have to pay will be passed onto advertisers. The fees raise Google and Facebooks hard costs, which in turn, raise our hard costs.

    Basically it means we will be paying more, for no good reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    The bottom line is, the internet is out of control. IT NEEDS REGULATIONS

    Billions of dollars are scammed, kids are lured and come up missing. You can even learn how to build bombs or how to kill your teacher and classmates.

    Governments say "regulate", Google says "control". I got news for Google, "YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO CONTROL THE INTERNET FOR YEARS"

    From the second you come online, you have Google bots following you around till you log off. Google takes tracking cookies to the extreme, they even have a satellite for crying out loud. When did search engines need satellites? The world has been mapped years ago, who is spying on who? You got facebook wanting to know your penis size, and if your turds have corn in it.

    You think just because sites like mega upload got shut down, that they are going to shut ours down? They broke laws, we didn't. Not to long ago, there was a proposal in California, to label genetically modified food, and Kellogg spent loads of money to campaign against it, because it corn flakes use genetically modified corn, and it didn't want us to find out.

    To hell with Google. Wikipedia shut it's site down in protest of SOPA, and where was Google? now all the sudden they want help from the people they have been trying to "control" all these years
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Sounds like someone didn't get their Adwords check this month.

      Plenty of people are scammed via phone and regular mail. Does that mean we need to shut them down also? No. It means people need to grow a pair and take responsibility for themselves. There is far too much hand holding these days. Why can't people take responsibility for their own actions for a change?

      If you don't like what's on the channel, change it. If you don't want to get scammed use your brain and don't send money to people you met on a dating site or a Nigerian who claimed you won the lottery. The fact is the people getting scammed online are the same people who will get scammed offline. You don't fix it by closing down and regulating the Internet, you fix it through education so these gullible people can start to think for themselves and finally make sensible and informed decisions.

      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      The bottom line is, the internet is out of control. IT NEEDS REGULATIONS

      Billions of dollars are scammed, kids are lured and come up missing. You can even learn how to build bombs or how to kill your teacher and classmates.

      Governments say "regulate", Google says "control". I got news for Google, "YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO CONTROL THE INTERNET FOR YEARS"

      From the second you come online, you have Google bots following you around till you log off. Google takes tracking cookies to the extreme, they even have a satellite for crying out loud. When did search engines need satellites? The world has been mapped years ago, who is spying on who? You got facebook wanting to know your penis size, and if your turds have corn in it.

      You think just because sites like mega upload got shut down, that they are going to shut ours down? They broke laws, we didn't. Not to long ago, there was a proposal in California, to label genetically modified food, and Kellogg spent loads of money to campaign against it, because it corn flakes use genetically modified corn, and it didn't want us to find out.

      To hell with Google. Wikipedia shut it's site down in protest of SOPA, and where was Google? now all the sudden they want help from the people they have been trying to "control" all these years
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
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    Alex, you may not like Google, and that's fine, I'm not their biggest fan either ... but sometimes the things they do that are in their own best interests are also in our best interests.
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    Never said, I didn't like Google. I just think they are hypocrites. They have been trying to control the internet for many years now...
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  • Profile picture of the author vivo
    DMCA is pretty good at balancing protection and giving the benefit of the doubt. Let's keep it that way. I believe as much as Google can be two sided, an enemy of my enemy is my friend. I may not like everything about Google, but I don't want internet taxes put down my throat. Honestly, if I were in charge, I would get rid of copyright and patents. But that is for another rant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Woodward82
    Sorry only read first couple of response I'm from the us and as much as I don't agree with recent policies I doubt the us will submit to the un on this IF what I read here is true of the claiming. Call it what you want but our corruption of a government is not going to allow control to anyone unless it's them


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  • Profile picture of the author Woodward82
    And for all those ranting Google is trying to control the Internet. Just one question aren't you guys trying to control your market! There just doing what your trying to do. Control and protect there market share which has been declining.



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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      And for all those ranting Google is trying to control the Internet. Just one question aren't you guys trying to control your market! There just doing what your trying to do. Control and protect there market share which has been declining.
      Ummmm, NO, are you trying to control the market? Most people are trying to make a living, not blast satellites into space
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  • Profile picture of the author Woodward82
    So your not trying to control your niche? If not can you help me out and give me some of your customers


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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by Woodward82 View Post

      So your not trying to control your niche? If not can you help me out and give me some of your customers
      Dude, stop it, seriously
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  • Profile picture of the author Woodward82
    Facts are facts nothing different than anything else or other big corporations. If you can ex
    plain the difference I'm willing to listen and I learn I'm not a successful imer but I'm definitely knowledgeable in business


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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by Woodward82 View Post

      Facts are facts nothing different than anything else or other big corporations. If you can ex
      plain the difference I'm willing to listen and I learn I'm not a successful imer but I'm definitely knowledgeable in business

      Fact is, I am not trying to control any market or internet, you assume too much my friend . I am a normal middle class citizen just like any other American.

      You can only speak for yourself, not me
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    Then I would have to say you are an extraordinary man. In which your thoughts, passion and goals are more sincere than the dollar or profits. Which means my post were not directly subject to you. And I'm on my phone so I'm not trying to make a mile long post but this is on no way sarcastic and is genuine. Good luck in any of your ventures online and in life. And as a side note I don't side with Google and there practice just stating as a general business practice



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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by Woodward82 View Post

      Then I would have to say you are an extraordinary man. In which your thoughts, passion and goals are more sincere than the dollar or profits. Which means my post were not directly subject to you. And I'm on my phone so I'm not trying to make a mile long post but this is on no way sarcastic and is genuine. Good luck in any of your ventures online and in life. And as a side note I don't side with Google and there practice just stating as a general business practice

      I do not worry about stuff I cannot control. Also I don't need any luck in life. Like I said I am a hard working middle class who does IM on the side. The only thing I can control is my own life
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Re: Join Google In The Fight Against Internet Control Sound like someone didn't get their Adwords check this month.

    Plenty of people are scammed via phone and regular mail. Does that mean we need to shut them down also? No. It means people need to grow a pair and take responsibility for themselves. There is far too much hand holding these days. Why can't people take responsibility for their own actions fir a change? If you don't like what's on the channel, change it. If you don't want to get scammed use your brain and don't send money to people you met on a dating site or a nugerian who claimed you win the lottery. The fact is the people getting scammed online are the same people who will get scammed offline. You don't fix it by closing down and regulating the Internet, you fix it through education so these gullible people can start to think for themselves and make sensible decisions.
    I don't get adsense checks, and have not been scammed thank goodness. The last time someone held my hand, I was a kid crossing the street.

    If it wasn't for laws and regulations, we'd still be in caves, and you'd still be pounding your chest and yelling ooga booga. Nobody said anything about closing down the internet, they closed down sites that were breaking the law. If you are paranoid, then go to church.

    Why on earth would someone be worried about getting their site shut down? If you are not breaking the law or scamming people, then what reason would they have to shut down ones site
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    The bottom line is, the internet is out of control. IT NEEDS REGULATIONS
    Really? Based on whoms ideology? Irans? Japans?

    Billions of dollars are scammed, kids are lured and come up missing. You can even learn how to build bombs or how to kill your teacher and classmates.
    Get real.

    There are existing laws to deal with all of that. The people who break the laws now would with regulations too.

    fyi: Bomb making can be learned from any library.

    When did search engines need satellites? The world has been mapped years ago,
    When they decided to be more than a search engine.

    Sure they track. They wanted google maps to help data mine but you can stop it too.

    Wikipedia shut it's site down in protest of SOPA, and where was Google?
    Using their homepage to educate people among other things.

    Do a little research.

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    Didn't one country ban tracking cookies? Don't think for a moment that if it did become government controlled that things like that wouldn't be multiplied by ten. Again I don't think this will happen in the NEAR future but if it did don't underestimate the biggest scanner on the face of the Earth. The us government


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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Using there homepage to educate people among other things.
    I forgot, they put a little gif on the home page
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    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      I forgot, they put a little gif on the home page
      They really did a lot more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Didn't one country ban tracking cookies? Don't think for a moment that if it did become government controlled that things like that wouldn't be multiplied by ten. Again I don't think this will happen in the NEAR future but if it did don't underestimate the biggest scanner on the face of the Earth. The us government
    The government will never control the internet, that is nonsense, this is not a conspiracy.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I'd rather lend my support to this through a more credible leader than Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author innovative9999
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I'd rather lend my support to this through a more credible leader than Google.
      Hi

      Your saying good but google is the best to control, they will maintain quality thing for every thing .
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by innovative9999 View Post

        Hi

        Your saying good but google is the best to control, they will maintain quality thing for every thing .
        Google has a profit motive to be in the fight. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother. The US and EU are already against the proposal.

        EU stands with the US against proposed ITU internet changes: 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Of course google has a profit motive - that's a given.

          The government will never control the internet, that is nonsense, this is not a conspiracy.
          You are arguing it - but you don't seem to be versed on this issue. It's not "the government" and it's not "the U.S."...it is the "U.N."

          Right now the web is open for business - but if the attempts led by Russia, China and a few other countries succeed that won't be the case.

          Yes, it's about money and taxation - but it's equally about power and many talking about this summit don't seem to believe that.

          In ordinary times, I'd say this was a fluff about nothing - but these aren't ordinary times. The U.N. just passed a resolution the U.S. was firmly against - that's not usual but it's happening now. Countries staggering with debt are looking for revenue - and see the web as a prize and want their share.

          This big summit could amount to a lot of talk and nothing more and then blow over - or it could blow up. We don't know - and that's why Google is raising the alarm.

          A quick guide to the ITU's 'Internet takeover' conference, WCIT | Digital Trends
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    • Profile picture of the author maximus242
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I'd rather lend my support to this through a more credible leader than Google.
      There are plenty of other options and avenues to lend support, i have included a few links in the first post
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

        There are plenty of other options and avenues to lend support, i have included a few links in the first post
        Why bother when the US and EU already oppose it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Redhottexan
    Which company has the most control now?
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  • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
    An interesting 4 page article on this - Why is the UN Trying to Take over the Internet? - Forbes

    So they want to tax us for watching YouTube videos, Facebook content etc?. This isn't about just Google whether you like them or not, its about the entire internet as we know it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Why bother when the US and EU already oppose it?
      Suzanne - ordinarily I would agree. You know I don't do the "petition bit" when people are screaming about their "rights"...but...

      The US and EU recently opposed the vote on Palestine, too - and we had no influence on that vote. There is a shifting balance of power in the U.N. that bears watching.

      The meeting being held will be interesting to see. Let's hope it's a lot of talk and nothing else. I guess at the worst we could just build a US/EU web and let these other countries have the old internet. Of course they wouldn't be allowed to enter OUR space.

      Might be a good plot for a sci-fi book
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  • Profile picture of the author wuser12
    We cannot accept that! The essence of Internet is freedom and colaboration among people of different countries.
    They should create laws for virtual criminals and not create limitations regarding the use of INternet.
    Internet was build by specialists and users around the world, not the governments.
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    • Profile picture of the author santosantinie
      We should wait for furthermore updates regarding that news. Well, I know Google can't make such movements that will hurt the reputation of their company. Google must stand and act as the powerful body in the web, but not necessarily abuse what power they had right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    I hate to say this, but as big and as powerful as Google is, they don't have enough muscle to keep this from happening.
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    • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      I hate to say this, but as big and as powerful as Google is, they don't have enough muscle to keep this from happening.
      This looks likely, as the US only get one vote at this summit. Google could cut off all the under developed countries quite easily though as they will not produce the revenue needed to pay any of the proposed data taxes they are talking about. This will mean that these countries will suffer slower economic growth which could be a disaster given the worlds economy. This proposal is a joke, they shouldn't mess with the internet as its working perfectly as it is and small businesses are able to thrive with the worldwide exposure the internet gives them. If this goes through it will become one big splintered internet, with separate zones and that isn't what the vision was for the 'World Wide Web'..
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      • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
        Originally Posted by MrMonetize View Post

        This looks likely, as the US only get one vote at this summit. Google could cut off all the under developed countries quite easily though as they will not produce the revenue needed to pay any of the proposed data taxes they are talking about. This will mean that these countries will suffer slower economic growth which could be a disaster given the worlds economy. This proposal is a joke, they shouldn't mess with the internet as its working perfectly as it is and small businesses are able to thrive with the worldwide exposure the internet gives them. If this goes through it will become one big splintered internet, with separate zones and that isn't what the vision was for the 'World Wide Web'..
        You got to be kidding, these developing countries, can pay for it before you even know it.
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        • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
          Originally Posted by onegoodman View Post

          You got to be kidding, these developing countries, can pay for it before you even know it.
          Why would I be kidding? Have a read up on it before replying with such a comment.

          Developing nations may see sending-party-network-pays as a return to the good old days. But the more likely outcome is that content providers will simply refuse requests from countries where the expected revenue from its users (e-commerce, ad revenue, subscriptions) is less than the cost imposed by the receiving network. As the ISOC report puts it, “Sending-party-network-pays could therefore reinforce and make much worse the existing ‘digital divide.’” Countries who today may largely be requesting content without providing much in return may find their citizens cut off.
          Taxing the incoming traffic will produce revenue for these countries to further develop their telecommunication infrastructures, or so they hope. When the costs outweigh the revenue its not a viable business model. All that will happen is Google will shut off their connection because they will not produce the revenue needed which will be a disaster for the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    I may misunderstand the issue on first. I was aware why Google is involved but wasn't fully aware of what the UN is trying to do.

    I guess I will have to stand with Google on this one.

    The internet is not broken, please don't FIX it.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by onegoodman View Post

      The internet is not broken, please don't FIX it.

      In Syria, they turn the Internet off when the opposition forces start making progress...

      So, the question of whether it is broken is not the issue... The question is whether governments can maintain control of their people...

      The second issue has been mentioned previously in this thread... Governments need new revenue resources in order to maintain their spending levels...

      For many governments, the Internet looks like a great big piggy bank, waiting for them to bring a hammer and break into the revenue streams available online...
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      • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        So, the question of whether it is broken is not the issue... The question is whether governments can maintain control of their people...
        Nailed it.

        We're all supposed to dismiss this as a silly conspiracy theory.

        If you have, then mission accomplished...you are officially Kobe Beef.

        Everyone ask themselves this question...why is a US military base sitting in my back yard?
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      • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        In Syria, they turn the Internet off when the opposition forces start making progress...

        So, the question of whether it is broken is not the issue... The question is whether governments can maintain control of their people...

        The second issue has been mentioned previously in this thread... Governments need new revenue resources in order to maintain their spending levels...

        For many governments, the Internet looks like a great big piggy bank, waiting for them to bring a hammer and break into the revenue streams available online...
        hi tpw,

        glade to see you . I didn't mean broken per say. It just that everyone want to pass a legislation claims that he want to protect innovation, and improve the internet, fix it, ... blah blah blah.

        It is not about fixing nor about freedom, it is simply about adding more control to the internet in order for governments to make more money since everyone want to cash this milky cow called the "internet".
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  • Profile picture of the author GBM
    If google wants "free" internet, WHY DO THEY DO THIS!
    http://www.change.org/petitions/yout...eedomonyoutube
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