I've never ever made a list... What Am I missing out on?

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Hello warriors,

I've been internet marketing for just over 2 years now, I've made alright money, as a side income but never enough to life of it in the united kingdom.

I've just sold one of my main sites, that I made back in july, I'm always seeing posts about list building that.. list building this. Since I've sold the site, I wondering what to do.. I'm either thinking of building another blog and making money from adsense, like ive done for the site i've sold, or to try and make money list building. I have some money to invest, No more than $250.

What sort of an income can list building generate in comparison to adsense, what am I missing out on? How is it done?
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  • Profile picture of the author Magic Mike IM
    Building a list is the single most important long-term activity you can engage in (well, one of the most). It allows you to develop a relationship with your list, provide them good information, and to sell to them !!!

    I started in IM many years ago and didn't start listbuilding early on... BIG mistake. It should be an activity that is started as early as possible.

    It is amazing the ability to consume that a good list has. A list will take people from marginally successful to doing extremely well... and more.
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    • Profile picture of the author arranrice
      Originally Posted by IM Guerillas View Post

      Building a list is the single most important long-term activity you can engage in (well, one of the most). It allows you to develop a relationship with your list, provide them good information, and to sell to them !!!

      I started in IM many years ago and didn't start listbuilding early on... BIG mistake. It should be an activity that is started as early as possible.

      It is amazing the ability to consume that a good list has. A list will take people from marginally successful to doing extremely well... and more.
      Thanks for your input..
      What niches are best for list building?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by arranrice View Post

        Thanks for your input..
        What niches are best for list building?

        The niche you're most interested in and have knowledge in... Do not make the mistake of trying the IM space for your first experience to building a list because the results will be less than spectacular and you'll be frustrated.

        Take a few days and really hammer out what you are interested in regardless of your knowledge or experience in those areas, no matter how trivial it may seem to you at the time.

        Next, create another list of areas you have specific knowledge and/or life experience in.

        Now take both lists and cross reference to exactly the balance of what you are interested in (passion) and your knowledge.

        You don't have to know everything in that particular area but it helps to have a basic working knowledge and the desire or passion for that market.
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  • Profile picture of the author tlangdon
    Hey,

    I have been doing Internet Marketing for about a month now. i have built a list of 300 and made $40 and i dont think these sales even came from the list buliding but other advertising i did.
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    • Profile picture of the author arranrice
      Originally Posted by tlangdon View Post

      Hey,

      I have been doing Internet Marketing for about a month now. i have built a list of 300 and made $40 and i dont think these sales even came from the list buliding but other advertising i did.
      How much did you invest in list building?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by tlangdon View Post

      I have been doing Internet Marketing for about a month now.
      Then why on Earth are you describing yourself in the heading of your own website as a "Leader in Internet Marketing"?

      And then people wonder why internet marketers have the collective reputation we do.

      Perhaps you're not aware, Tom, that starting off by trying to advise others about something of which you have no experience yourself is one of the single commonest causes of failure (as well as lack of credibility) among beginning internet marketers?
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      • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Then why on Earth are you describing yourself in the heading of your own website as a "Leader in Internet Marketing"?

        And then people wonder why internet marketers have the collective reputation we do.

        Perhaps you're not aware, Tom, that starting off by trying to advise others about something of which you have no experience yourself is one of the single commonest causes of failure (as well as lack of credibility) among beginning internet marketers?
        Good post
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      • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Then why on Earth are you describing yourself in the heading of your own website as a "Leader in Internet Marketing"?

        And then people wonder why internet marketers have the collective reputation we do.

        Perhaps you're not aware, Tom, that starting off by trying to advise others about something of which you have no experience yourself is one of the single commonest causes of failure (as well as lack of credibility) among beginning internet marketers?
        I'd love to be a true internet marketing leader in one month!
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
    Originally Posted by arranrice View Post

    Hello warriors,

    I've been internet marketing for just over 2 years now, I've made alright money, as a side income but never enough to life of it in the united kingdom.

    I've just sold one of my main sites, that I made back in july, I'm always seeing posts about list building that.. list building this. Since I've sold the site, I wondering what to do.. I'm either thinking of building another blog and making money from adsense, like ive done for the site i've sold, or to try and make money list building. I have some money to invest, No more than $250.

    What sort of an income can list building generate in comparison to adsense, what am I missing out on? How is it done?
    The business model of building up sites to resell them is one that some have success with but overall many do not in terms of making life changing mounts of money IMO. Of course those who build real authority sites that have solid earnings etc. are a different ball game, but we're not discussing that here.

    By selling the site you have realised some short term cash but by the sounds of it not too much and on the flip side you are now left with no business model in place. In short i'm trying to point out that you need to build a list as soon as possible in whatever niche you feel comfortable with and/or have experience in.

    When you have a list of responsive clients then you'll realise just how important it is and always was.

    Joel
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDay
    If you've only experienced commissions mostly from Adsense, then just wait until you create a list and start seeing them $1000+ days just from one email.
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    • Profile picture of the author ae2080
      The best part about building a list is you don't have to worry about Google taking it away from you. Once you have the list it is yours forever(if you develop a good relationship with the people on it).
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  • Profile picture of the author Harry Nguyen
    Build a list bro, the relationship is in the list, money comes in from trust. Push button type ish lol. Just build it man, if your sites ever get wiped out you'll be backed up with it
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    Arran I started off with adsense a few years ago and then sold my adsense sites around xmas last year for just over $7k

    Adsense is fine to start with but if you want to make a lot more money and build a much more stable business then building a good targeted list and creating your own products is the way to go

    Best way to start is put together a good free offer based around something you know a lot about in a profitable market/niche

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    • Profile picture of the author Anton543
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      Arran I started off with adsense a few years ago and then sold my adsense sites around xmas last year for just over $7k

      Adsense is fine to start with but if you want to make a lot more money and build a much more stable business then building a good targeted list and creating your own products is the way to go

      Best way to start is put together a good free offer based around something you know a lot about in a profitable market/niche

      Paul
      True. But let's not disparage Adsense so readily. There are people making 10s of thousands of dollars a month from Adsense.

      About.com, for example, made well over a $100m last year from it. And much of their traffic comes from search. Yes they do have loads of 'guides' who they need to pay, but still, I would imagine they make quite hefty profits after all costs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    Do people link to the sales page of the product they are promoting (even if its an affiliate product rather than own) in the emails they shoot to their list? Do you have each sales page on its own domain?

    How much does it cost to maintain a list?

    The premium Wordpress template I've just bought offers an email list building form that can be positioned anywhere on the site. Will this be sufficient to build the list?

    Where are names and emails of the people subscribing get stored? Is it in something like Aweber account? If so, how do you link the Aweber account to the email list subscriber form on Wordpress theme? How much does it cost to main a list?
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  • Profile picture of the author millionebook
    Hi, Build a list and gain a relationship with the list members. Use a squeeze page , our Almost a Secret website is structured with a great list and do not oversell at any time. Build on trust
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  • Profile picture of the author manicmethods
    Look at it this way (this is from personal experience but no in the boring IM niche):

    I have lists of 1000s now, there are people on there who spend £5 a month, there are others who spend £10 here and there and there are people on there that will buy nearly EVERYTHING. I'm talking £10 a week from one person.

    What I'm trying to say is that having a list is like having a list of people you can advertise to right away.

    With Adsense: You build your site --> Visitors come --> They click ads --> You earn a few cents

    With List Building: You built your site --> Visitors come --> They join your list --> You sell to them once --> A few weeks later, you sell again --> You then sell again a few weeks later yet again...

    I hope that helps you to understand in a way.

    GOOD LUCK!
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  • Profile picture of the author martimoney
    List building is great, but save yourself some time and money learning how to build a relationship with your list first. Like Alexa mentioned above I came out of the gates in I.M. claiming to know it all and being an expert. I built a list of nearly 500 subscribers in a matter of a short few weeks and never made a single sent because I didn't understand how to build that relationship. Now my work has multiplied many fold as I try to rebuild. I know I could take the shortcut and just use a different name, but I refuse to. I want people to know me and now I just try to be real at all times.

    So yes, build a list but do your homework first and save yourself a lot o headache in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
    There is another point that I think should be pointed out to the OP which is, I don't get this attitude from many who just seem to build these sites, slap some adsense or third part ads on their site and think great another $50+ day or whatever they're earning.

    I look at it, why on earth would you not try and gather the traffic you're receiving to build a list from. I mean people all day long are trying to work out how to get traffic and try PPC, PPV, solo ads etc. and are trying to get the best ROI possible, and with one of my favourite traffic sources i.e. Google traffic which is very targeted traffic, many people are happy to get paid for a click and lose that customer then and forever more.

    This is just crazy IMO even though many people do it and make good money from it. I hear people the whole time say there are some people who are earning $10,000+ a month with adsense etc. Whilst this seems very good I look at it longer term and think, how much money could the webamster be making per month if they built a list from that traffic over a sustained period, nurtured and offered value to the list and had a solid thought out funnel in place? I can assure you the amount you would earn per month would be far greater.

    Oh yeah, and you are then much less worried about any potential Google algorithm changes as you already have a solid list so even if the worst case scenario panned out and you were to lose your rankings you would still have a business.

    Joel
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    How do you guys build lists without sites anyway? I have a site that I will be building a list through. I am fortunate that it gets good daily traffic and I don't think I will have a problem getting a few a day to subscribe. How long should the list befoire I just sending the emails?

    Also, it would really help if someone can answer the following please.

    Do people link to the sales page of the product they are promoting (even if its an affiliate product rather than own) in the emails they shoot to their list? Do you have each sales page on its own domain?

    How much does it cost to maintain a list?

    The premium Wordpress template I've just bought offers an email list building form that can be positioned anywhere on the site. Will this be sufficient to build the list?

    Where are names and emails of the people subscribing get stored? Is it in something like Aweber account? If so, how do you link the Aweber account to the email list subscriber form on Wordpress theme? How much does it cost to main a list?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      How do you guys build lists without sites anyway?
      It is possible. Autoresponder companies like Aweber will give you a free page which they host with your opt-in box on it, to send your traffic to, if you really think people will opt in, that way. (Some might, but I wouldn't use one, myself.)

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      How long should the list befoire I just sending the emails?
      One person.

      The first person who subscribes needs to hear from you on that day, and again within another day or two. (How would you feel, if you subscribed to someone's list and didn't get anything from them straight away?).

      People who subscribe need to receive the "free report" (or whatever you call it) immediately, automated (i.e. an email containing the download link to it), and start receiving the email series. Otherwise you end up with an unresponsive list and your potential customers buying from/through someone else.

      That's how all your competitors do it, and if you don't, you're putting yourself at a huge disadvantage. Don't imagine that your list will be the only one to which your subscribers sign up. Typically, they'll be on a few others' lists as well. To get their business, you have to become the person from/through whom they decide to buy because they trust you, following the credibility you establish with them by sending them emails which they open because of your continuity-process. All explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      Also, it would really help if someone can answer the following please.

      Do people link to the sales page of the product they are promoting (even if its an affiliate product rather than own) in the emails they shoot to their list?
      I do, for ClickBank products and some other stuff. (I link to other pages of my own site, too, in some emails). This is how the sales are made. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523

      I don't put Amazon links in emails.

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      Do you have each sales page on its own domain?
      I have no sales pages. I'm an affiliate, not a vendor.

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      How much does it cost to maintain a list?
      If you go to GetResponse or Aweber (which I recommend), you get the first month free (or for $1), and then it's $15/$20 per month, which covers multiple different lists and so on, all facilities and automation included. It's peanuts. You need to sell very, very, very little to cover the cost of a professional autoresponder, and all the rest is profit.

      I strongly advise you not to use a "free autoresponder".

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      The premium Wordpress template I've just bought offers an email list building form that can be positioned anywhere on the site. Will this be sufficient to build the list?
      I can't answer your other questions, because I don't use Wordpress and am hardly qualified to start giving anyone "technical advice". Others will reply.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mandyburbridge
    theres alota saying how great people are on here but no advise on how to start building a list
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    You're leaving a lot of money on the table!

    Build a relationship with your list and market relevant offers to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Confined To Life
    Originally Posted by arranrice View Post

    What sort of an income can list building generate in comparison to adsense, what am I missing out on?
    List building can generate a thousand to ten thousand times the amount AdSense can if you do it right. What are you missing out on? A shitload of money.
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    • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
      Originally Posted by Confined To Life View Post

      List building can generate a thousand to ten thousand times the amount AdSense can if you do it right. What are you missing out on? A shitload of money.
      This.

      I used to make a few bucks with adsense (enough to get an extra burger), but when I switched to list building, it's been my main source of income for the past 6 months and is only getting bigger.
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  • Profile picture of the author rzamananik
    To tell the monetery value, Money is in the List!
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