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First off, I am very new to the whole IM world.

I decided I was going to start a blog where I would review amazon books and CB products in the self-help motivation niche.

I was going to create an e-mail list from that site and I was going to post all of my reviews in one hub location.

While talking to a few people many of them seem to think I am going in the wrong direction some are telling me to just focus on one product and create a sales page for that one product until I get a sale, others are telling me completely different stuff.



So my question is, should I continue down the route I first thought or should I re evaluate where I am going.

I am in the lucky position that I do have a decent amount of capital to start with, that being said Im not looking on spending a ton. I have got my hosting set up and my wordpress theme.

Another question is what are some of the products that I should take a look at. Im talking stuff like aweber ETC.

Im asking these questions because I would rather learn from the mistakes of others than make them myself. If im going in the wrong direction with my initial plan id rather someone tell me.

Thanks in advance
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post


    While talking to a few people many of them seem to think I am going in the wrong direction some are telling me to just focus on one product and create a sales page for that one product until I get a sale, others are telling me completely different stuff.



    So my question is, should I continue down the route I first thought or should I re evaluate where I am going.
    Your biggest issue is it takes you a while to make a decision and your quick to change it. Also you care about what other people tell you. Unless these people have a lot of credibility and success to prove their advice is sound do not listen to them. Come up with your own plan. If you rely on others to lead you to a profitable business you will always keep getting conflicting information.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    I was going to create an e-mail list from that site
    There's your answer. Build a list and you can promote a variety of offers to them over time. Advertise and send the visitors to your squeeze page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Confined To Life
    Hi Jack,

    Welcome to WF!

    So my question is, should I continue down the route I first thought or should I re evaluate where I am going.
    Whatever you do, you want to be damn sure of it. I like the idea of reviewing either Amazon or ClickBank products and building a list. I can see a high converting email campaign coming from that.

    However, as a traditional email marketer, I would urge you to go the other route and build your own product(s) and sell them. You will make more money in the long run. Plus, there's a definite business model you can follow.

    As far as products go, you want to get Aweber (IMO). You should think about purchasing these products for your email marketing campaign.

    - Aweber
    - Popup Domination
    - Sidebar Domination
    - OptimizePress/Squeeze Plugin

    Obviously, your theme for WordPress is going to be the biggest thing. Loads of people use OptimizePress because it's good at making generic squeeze pages and whatnot, but I personally dislike it. That's why I went for a different, premium theme and just used Squeeze Plugin to put my squeeze page (which can actually be ranked on G) on WordPress.

    If you don't go the affiliate route, what are your thoughts and ideas?

    Cheers,
    CTL
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  • Profile picture of the author jackcarr
    Your biggest issue is it takes you a while to make a decision and your quick to change it. Also you care about what other people tell you
    It took me about 3 days of research to come up with the initial idea and this is the first time I have thought about changing it. As I said I would rather ask people who have been doing it for a while for their opinion. Someone could potentially save me 5/6 weeks of work in the wrong direction. I don't really care what other people think if they are no-ones. Im just looking for reassurance.

    If you don't go the affiliate route, what are your thoughts and ideas?
    Really great post .
    The only way I can see is AF at the moment. I have no idea what kind of product I could make, especially in this niche.
    I do online courses for web design and development and I make a decent amount off of those.

    I guess the route I initially planned was not a bad one. I think I will stick to it, if stuff does go wrong at least its a learning experience.

    As far as the WordPress stuff goes, that is all done and dusted.

    Im aiming to release my first site on Monday. I will keep you guys posted. Thanks for the help everyone
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
      Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post

      Someone could potentially save me 5/6 weeks of work in the wrong direction. I don't really care what other people think if they are no-ones. Im just looking for reassurance.
      My point is that you decide the direction not anybody else. Its good that you don't care what people think if they are no ones. How do you know anybody here is a specialist for what you are doing? My point is just do your plan... No need for reassurance. Now if its strategies that will help you succeed faster with your plan... The Warrior Forum can help you with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackcarr
    if its strategies that will help you succeed faster with your plan... The Warrior Forum can help you with that.
    That is probably what I am looking for. All this new lingo, terminology and info is daunting as I said in a previous post.

    Im still working on my terminology

    I am NOT looking for someone to give me a get rich quick scheme or do all the work for me... obviously no one would do that but I am very interested in how it all works so I am trying to do as much as I can on my own but sometimes I feel the need to ask questions.

    Thanks for the good response james
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  • Profile picture of the author Confined To Life
    I do online courses for web design and development and I make a decent amount off of those.
    You don't see how freaking valuable this is! All you need to do is put together a 7-day web development course for your squeeze page and then a larger more comprehensive course for your paid product.

    I would strongly urge you to go down this path, but at the end of the day, you're best off following your heart.

    All the best mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anomalous
    Do update us with your progress. Noobs with real ambition and the willingness to take consistent action are rare.

    As far as your business plan, stick with it. The very worst case is that you fail to make money, but you learn a lot. That is worth the time and money you put into it.

    Don't expect your first IM endeavor to be a success. It very well could be, but place learning first, don't be afraid to try things even when you aren't sure if they will work. Gain experience, collect data, and stay the course.

    My IM success is with PPC, and article marketing (which stopped working for me last year.) I have never done a full-blown affiliate site like you're planning to do.

    If it were me, I would place a big focus on list building. In the early stages, if I were to find myself choosing between subscribers and sales, I would choose subscribers.

    Your list is your greatest asset, bar none.


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  • Profile picture of the author jackcarr
    Really good motivation guys. I truly do appreciate this!

    When I was doing my initial research all I kept seeing was LIST LIST LIST. I see how valuable they are, even if at this stage I dont 100% know how to turn that list into $

    You are right, at worst I dont make money but I learn a lot. I literally have nothing to loose.

    Site will be up Monday if not earlier, hold me to that
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post

    I decided I was going to start a blog where I would review amazon books and CB products in the self-help motivation niche.

    I was going to create an e-mail list from that site and I was going to post all of my reviews in one hub location.
    I can't see anything wrong with this idea at all. My only comment is that if you're intending to sell ClickBank products, I think it's absolutely essential to make building a list the absolute top priority, and design the site accordingly, with a prominently incentivized opt-in on its landing page. You can sell some Amazon books "off the page" with no problem at all (though it's still very worthwhile building the list even for "those customers" so that you can sell them ClickBank products later, because most of the money in affiliate marketing comes from repeat sales to the same customers/subscribers), but not so much the ClickBank ones - you need a list to sell those, and should have it very clearly in your mind that the primary purpose of the website is to build the list! Yes, you'll use the "review pages" to direct the traffic to in your email series, but you have to keep the traffic returning first, and you can't do that without having the list.

    Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post

    many of them seem to think I am going in the wrong direction some are telling me to just focus on one product and create a sales page for that one product until I get a sale
    This makes no sense to me at all, Jack. If you're an affiliate, why would you ever want to create a "sales page"?! That's the vendor's job. It's your job to retain your customers/subscribers and send them to whatever existing sales pages you're willing to send your traffic to. Vendors sell. Affiliates generate traffic and pre-sell. "Sales pages" in an attempt to pre-sell are a huge mistake. I'd ignore those people, myself.

    Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post

    I am in the lucky position that I do have a decent amount of capital to start with, that being said Im not looking on spending a ton.
    There are a few little things for which that helps (hosting is the biggest expense?). I'm a ClickBank and Amazon affiliate, and I set up my entire business for less than $100, and there wasn't ever a point at which having another $2,000/$3,000/whatever would have made my income any bigger, faster or more secure.

    I see that if you're planning to use PPC advertising as your primary traffic generation method, then some capital helps. But otherwise not so much, I think.

    Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post

    If im going in the wrong direction with my initial plan id rather someone tell me.
    Doesn't sound as if you are, at all, from what you've said here?

    Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post

    When I was doing my initial research all I kept seeing was LIST LIST LIST. I see how valuable they are
    This observation certainly stacks the deck in your favor!

    Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post

    even if at this stage I dont 100% know how to turn that list into $
    Relationship-building with subscribers: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

    Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post

    Site will be up Monday if not earlier, hold me to that
    Looking forward to seeing it, if you're "showing" - good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author jackcarr
    Woah! Really great post Alexa, this forum amazes me. So many people wanting and willing to help. SO good for someone start out like myself.

    Yes I will be "showing" the website... I need a good grilling and there are 1001 other sites in the same niche. I dont understand why people don't want to show off their sites sometimes. Guess I will learn as I go along.

    Super excited for the future. Thanks again for the help
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  • Profile picture of the author jackcarr
    Im going to try and do both. Amazon for books and CB for everything else
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  • Profile picture of the author 07
    Trust me once again, CB doesnt convert. That is true. And amazon does convert when traffic is from US. I have experience plus I have read numerous threads about cb not conevrting, just many hops and no sales and amazon is opposite to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by 07 View Post

      Trust me once again, CB doesnt convert. That is true.
      Strange, then, that they've been around for longer than Google, and paid out well over $2 Billion in client earnings, and that so many of us here make a full-time living from it?

      Originally Posted by 07 View Post

      I have experience plus I have read numerous threads about cb not conevrting
      It isn't "CB" that determines whether or not there's a conversion, anyway: the products' sales pages are on their vendors' own sites, not "on ClickBank". ClickBank is simply a retailer. Oops - little flaw in your argument, there? The widely varying conversion-rates for any given sales page, for a ClickBank product or one on any other network, are determined by the widely varying affiliates and how well targeted and pre-sold their traffic is. Sorry about that!
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      • Profile picture of the author 07
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Strange, then, that they've been around for longer than Google, and paid out well over $2 Billion in client earnings, and that so many of us here make a full-time living from it?



        It isn't "CB" that determines whether or not there's a conversion, anyway: the products' sales pages are on their vendors' own sites, not "on ClickBank". ClickBank is simply a retailer. Oops - little flaw in your argument, there? The widely varying conversion-rates for any given sales page, for a ClickBank product or one on any other network, are determined by the widely varying affiliates and how well targeted and pre-sold their traffic is. Sorry about that!
        Sorry, I may have expressed my opinion not exactly.
        All I meant is that amazon converts much better. Thats it. Of course CB converts and its not a big deal. I mean the amazon converts much better.
        Really I have seen 1/10 conversion rate at amazon with SE traffic and that is a good conversion rate believe me.
        And for CB I would be glad enough to get 1/50 conversion rate.
        Thats only my experience.
        May be you know how to Convert CB better.
        And I know that CB does has different products, may be I just tried the not better ones, who knows.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpwebsite
    I wouldn't recommend creating a sales page or any that, from my experience, most of those fail. The simplest way I see of getting started is make a wordpress.org blog with mailing list and just blog about why you enjoy.

    If you blog to make money, your bound to fail. It is a side advantage not your main focus.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackcarr
    Thats why I choose the self-help niche.

    I love reading about Donald Trump and reading Think and grow rich... its turned into a passion of mine. Anything to do with bettering myself and trying to get others to change their mindset. I actually managed to change a guys mindset from thinking he was terrible to thinking he could do stuff. 3 weeks later hes doing his own online radio shows. Made me feel so good. This is just the start mate I have big plans. Now I just need to take action

    Appreciate the help guys. Site will be setup in a couple of days and I will update you on my progress. Once again. Thank you!
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