I need advice. Got an order to destroy someone and I know I can do it a bit.

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Oh, and I hope he's not here right now.

Cause I'm really confused with what I am going to do since this order will be the first.

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shane_k 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Oh, and I hope he's not here right now.

So this guy who wants you to DESTROY someone else's reputation is a member of this forum?

Then report him to the mods

If he has been PMing you through this site, take all that information and give that to the mods also so they can ban him.

Give them any and all communication you have had with this person.

We do not need those kind of people on this site!
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  My opinion is: decline the job. Tell the guy you are not the right person for it. And move on. Let them get their own hands dirty if they are in war.
  
  As a side note... I did forum posting long ago. To be paid to promote products without clarifying your affiliation can get you into trouble with the new rules of the game. I never did that. What I used to do was to write technical and motivational articles to move certain forums. Was contracted by the forum owners to kick start them. Those jobs are ok, the others... nah.
  
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  Personally I wouldn't do it.
  
  Even though I understand that there are thousands of victims of HYIP's all over the place, and I think the law enforcement procedures against HYIP-scam promoters are woefully inadequate.
  
  One of the problems with these situations is that in your position you can only really hear one side of the story. It might be "just your luck" to be denigrating and blackening one of the perhaps 1%(?) of those things that turned out to be completely legal, ethical and honest, and not even breaching any securities/financial-promotional regulations. One can't hope to judge this, really? :p
  
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jamesrich1

11 years ago

Very unethical request. It looks like your considering it. Why? I don't know if its normal or not but it doesn't sound normal. I suggest declining the job for moral reasons.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesrich1

Very unethical request. It looks like your considering it. Why? I don't know if its normal or not but it doesn't sound normal. I suggest declining the job for moral reasons.

Frankly I don't have a problem with it since it's what I do, but before this request, everything that I did was the opposite, I write good things about someone but not to the point that I lie just to make people believe it's a good person or a website.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Frankly I don't have a problem with it since it's what I do, but before this request, everything that I did was the opposite, I write good things about someone but not to the point that I lie just to make people believe it's a good person or a website.

Your type of jobs are the reasons why people hardly believe reviews. People have a natural instinct to smell BS. It looks like you have made up your mind...

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Robert Michael

11 years ago

I wouldn't take it, but that's just me.

I'd tell the "client" here to get lost & go suck an egg. lolz ok probably not an egg, but I'd be telling him to go suck on something!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Whos That Guru

I wouldn't take it, but that's just me.

I'd tell the "client" here to get lost & go suck an egg. lolz ok probably not an egg, but I'd be telling him to go suck on something!

Ha ha got it.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Just a thought "on the side" but you might do well to mention that in your signature-file here, even if it's just a sentence rather than a link. I mention it because I've seen people asking here about kick-starting forums with a posting service, so there's clearly demand for it?

Is that allowed even if I'm not a war room member or have an WSO for it?
If yes, if it's not to much, I want to ask if those who also offer their service on their signature, how's the payment for that? Because I can only see the buy button on WSOs?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Is that allowed even if I'm not a war room member or have an WSO for it?
If yes, if it's not to much, I want to ask if those who also offer their service on their signature, how's the payment for that? Because I can only see the buy button on WSOs?

WSO is for products, you need to post here:

Warriors For Hire

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez

WSO is for products, you need to post here:

Warriors For Hire

Got it. So there's a different sub-forum for services. Thanks! Uhm, as for warriors for hire, is it for free for us to post our service there?

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Steven Wagenheim 11 years ago

This is what I would do because HYIP programs ARE illegal. I have studied them
and even was a member of one before I understood the implications. They are
bad news and the feds are trying to shut these things down as quickly as
possible.

Actually DO the research into the programs he is promoting, meaning you'll have
to join them free, see what the structure is, and then if they are HYIPs, simply
do an honest review of them explaining that these programs are illegal and also
explain why.

That is what I would do and have done. In fact, I was partly responsible for
getting a big HYIP shut down about 7 or 8 years ago.

But do it ethically and honestly. Don't just report the programs as scams
because somebody told you to

FWIW, if this guy really IS promoting HYIPs, he needs to be stopped. These
programs ARE illegal and people have lost their life savings because of them.
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Sandra Martinez

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Got it. So there's a different sub-forum for services. Thanks! Uhm, as for warriors for hire, is it for free for us to post our service there?

Not free, but cheaper than the wso. Can´t remember the cost. It should be in a sticky thread over there.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez

Not free, but cheaper than the wso. Can´t remember the cost. It should be in a sticky thread over there.

Oh right. Sorry, I only used to read them when I was new here. Thank you! I really appreciate this,

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

This is what I would do because HYIP programs ARE illegal.

They are... Illegal? How come they don't seem to be mentioned in the television? To be honest I only discovered from you that they are illegal. Is there any law that sanctions it that you know? And you've been with one before? I never thought it would be illegal because for all I know you're just investing in them just like how you would do it in a bank. Thanks for sharing this information here. As for the client I was talking about I declined already.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Oh right. Sorry, I only used to read them when I was new here. Thank you! I really appreciate this,

They are... Illegal? How come they don't seem to be mentioned in the television? To be honest I only discovered from you that they are illegal. Is there any law that sanctions it that you know? And you've been with one before? I never thought it would be illegal because for all I know you're just investing in them just like how you would do it in a bank. Thanks for sharing this information here. As for the client I was talking about I declined already.

They are essentially pyramid schemes. I don't want to get into the whole "how
it works" here because the explanation is just too long.

Go to Google and look up HYIP pyramid or something like that. There is
plenty of info on the subject including a list of old programs that were shut
down.

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Leejeong 11 years ago

Oh well that's a different story. I dunno what to say since its my first time to read a message like that. DESTROYED? That word scared me..
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  Oh well that's a different story. I dunno what to say since its my first time to read a message like that. DESTROYED? That word scared me..
  
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Okay, I'm not really an internet marketer yet because I've never promoted anything online.

But I do earn online, not just the way you guys do.

I'm a forum poster.

And I got this message from one of my clients which I want you all to read and answer this for me.

Do you think I should just resume my professionality and just do it since it's my job? Or should I decline jobs like this? What do you think?
I find it to be an easy task, but for some reason I find this client very scary.

This is the message:

"Right I want this guys hyip programs which you can see listed on his profile at (the URL LINK to the guy he want me to do this stuff to)

I want all his programs promoted as SCAM I want his programs destroyed post scam all over the internet and make it sound convincing I want him destroyed!!!"

I feel like a virtual hitman or something. Which is kinda cool but unethical, do you find this normal in the internet marketing world?

A so called "client" of what? What is he ordering from you? If it is to a friend it is not worth it, if its just for a favor then I would close my sales from that person and no longer work with them if I am asked to go and scam innocent people or rip anyone off.

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11 years ago

Yeah that's what I've been thinking but can't help be confused by it

You see, I am because I am learning how to be an internet marketer.

And I believe in karma and such, so I'm thinking if I do this whether that person did something good or wrong, it may backfire from me in the future.

Hmm... Maybe I should just give this job completely and concentrate more on IM.

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11 years ago

Oh well, sorry to bother you guys, I guess I'll be declining his offer now.

I guess I was shocked to learn there are people who would want such thing.

I know that if I don't do it, he himself could and most probably will.

But at least I won't be a part of it.

Whew... IM...

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Originally Posted by Jensha

I know that if I don't do it, he himself could and most probably will.

That, or he'll hire someone else to do it. Regardless, you have no control over his actions, but you can control your own.

Originally Posted by Jensha

But at least I won't be a part of it.

Sounds like a wise decision, and not just for karma's sake.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Oh well, sorry to bother you guys, I guess I'll be declining his offer now.

I guess I was shocked to learn there are people who would want such thing.

I know that if I don't do it, he himself could and most probably will.

But at least I won't be a part of it.

Whew... IM...

I think you made the right choice by declining. You obviously had issues with it, if you were posting on here to get people's opinions. It's probably best to stick to your gut and make sure that whatever you are doing, you are still able to sleep at night and look yourself in the eye in the morning.

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11 years ago

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11 years ago

Imagine yourself in this person's situation, if someone does this type of thing to you and destroys your reputation, how do you feel? I suggest you to reject this type of jobs.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesrich1

Your type of jobs are the reasons why people hardly believe reviews. People have a natural instinct to smell BS. It looks like you have made up your mind...

Originally Posted by Steve Wells

Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you....

Originally Posted by Vija

Imagine yourself in this person's situation, if someone does this type of thing to you and destroys your reputation, how do you feel? I suggest you to reject this type of jobs.

Okay guys. I won't accept it. To be honest, forum posting is what lead me to internet marketing and is the online job that is currently funding my studies in IM. My main job is actually just to make the forums really look active with genuine members which I'm really good at. It's just recently when I got clients asking me to promote their site and such. Maybe I should just stick to making forums really look active as their start up.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Okay guys. I won't accept it. To be honest, forum posting is what lead me to internet marketing and is the online job that is currently funding my studies in IM. My main job is actually just to make the forums really look active with genuine members which I'm really good at. It's just recently when I got clients asking me to promote their site and such. Maybe I should just stick to making forums really look active as their start up.

Good choice! Once you start going down the wrong path, it can drag you a little at a time, until the lines of what is right and wrong are so blurred it won't matter to you.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by NddS777

Wow, seems like your client needs to ease up on the sugar. Perhaps The Joker will help him. But wait, isn't posting his private message here unethical? :confused: Even if he is a tool.

Oh is it? Gosh I didn't mean to, I thought not including his any name or username in the internet world is enough confidentiality. I just can't help not talk about it I guess.

Originally Posted by shane_k

So this guy who wants you to DESTROY someone else's reputation is a member of this forum?

Then report him to the mods

If he has been PMing you through this site, take all that information and give that to the mods also so they can ban him.

Give them any and all communication you have had with this person.

We do not need those kind of people on this site!

Hi! Thanks for the reply. You misunderstood, I was just praying in that post that he be not a member in this forum. I'm not really sure.

Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez

My opinion is: decline the job. Tell the guy you are not the right person for it. And move on. Let them get their own hands dirty if they are in war.

As a side note... I did forum posting long ago. To be paid to promote products without clarifying your affiliation can get you into trouble with the new rules of the game. I never did that. What I used to do was to write technical and motivational articles to move certain forums. Was contracted by the forum owners to kick start them. Those jobs are ok, the others... nah.

Yeah, that's my original income from the internet. That's how I came to know warriorforum as well through word of mouth from the forums that I've been.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Personally I wouldn't do it.

Even though I understand that there are thousands of victims of HYIP's all over the place, and I think the law enforcement procedures against HYIP-scam promoters are woefully inadequate.

One of the problems with these situations is that in your position you can only really hear one side of the story. It might be "just your luck" to be denigrating and blackening one of the perhaps 1%(?) of those things that turned out to be completely legal, ethical and honest, and not even breaching any securities/financial-promotional regulations. One can't hope to judge this, really? :p

Just my perspective.

That sounds like a wise perspective. Thanks for sharing.

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

Quite frankly this is illegal and would certainly get you in a lot of trouble. If I were you I would report this kind of behavior to the forum and maybe even higher.

I think there's a little chance that he's in this forum since he seems to be working for a lot of other HYIP forums from what we've talked about when making the contract.

Originally Posted by Cali16

That, or he'll hire someone else to do it. Regardless, you have no control over his actions, but you can control your own.

Sounds like a wise decision, and not just for karma's sake.

Thanks!

Thanks everyone. We just had a mutual agreement to cancel the order. Well, posting this really made me think through about what I'm doing. From now on I'll really just stick to giving a kick start to new forums.

Case closed I guess.

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Originally Posted by Jensha

From now on I'll really just stick to giving a kick start to new forums.

Just a thought "on the side" but you might do well to mention that in your signature-file here, even if it's just a sentence rather than a link. I mention it because I've seen people asking here about kick-starting forums with a posting service, so there's clearly demand for it?
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11 years ago

Karma .. Too bad there are those out there that will and do tear others down for their own gain.

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11 years ago

Don't forget that if there are any legal actions as a result, you would probably get dragged into it.

Plus it's not an ethical thing to do, etc.

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11 years ago

First of all, ask yourself if this is something you are ready to do, as we all know what goes around, comes around. If your answer is yes, then be prepared for the consequences later on.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by YasirYar

First of all, ask yourself if this is something you are ready to do, as we all know what goes around, comes around. If your answer is yes, then be prepared for the consequences later on.

I would have reservations hiring someone to do VA'ish work if I knew they had previously undertaken tasks like this. Wouldn't feel safe to let them inside any business system I had that contained privileged/private information.

Don't think I'm the only person who'd feel like that either, so yeah, definitely consequences.

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11 years ago

I wouldn't do it.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jensha

Okay, I'm not really an internet marketer yet because I've never promoted anything online.

But I do earn online, not just the way you guys do.

I'm a forum poster.

And I got this message from one of my clients which I want you all to read and answer this for me.

Do you think I should just resume my professionality and just do it since it's my job? Or should I decline jobs like this? What do you think?
I find it to be an easy task, but for some reason I find this client very scary.

This is the message:

"Right I want this guys hyip programs which you can see listed on his profile at (the URL LINK to the guy he want me to do this stuff to)

I want all his programs promoted as SCAM I want his programs destroyed post scam all over the internet and make it sound convincing I want him destroyed!!!"

I feel like a virtual hitman or something. Which is kinda cool but unethical, do you find this normal in the internet marketing world?

Quite frankly this is illegal and would certainly get you in a lot of trouble. If I were you I would report this kind of behavior to the forum and maybe even higher.

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11 years ago

Wow, seems like your client needs to ease up on the sugar. Perhaps The Joker will help him. But wait, isn't posting his private message here unethical? :confused: Even if he is a tool.

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shonny

11 years ago

That not the right way to earn money. What about if the same thing was done to you? How would you feel?. I would not accept such kind of job no matter the pay.

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11 years ago

HYIP programs are mostly scams. They are basically pyramid schemes where money put in by new members pays for the profits of older members. They claim, of course, that they're investing in something else, like Forex, gold, stocks or whatever but this is seldom the case.

That said, there's a good chance that the person who wants to pay you to expose a certain HYIP is running a competing one. I suppose it could also be someone who lost money and wants revenge. Either way, it's better to stay away from such situations.

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soudy

11 years ago

Well everyone situation is different, selling drugs is unethical and against the law. however people still do it. Some may say its okay some may say you could be responsible for someones death because you SOLD them the drugs, but its the persons decision - Id say its up to you- if you hve a business tailored to exclusive clients in a NICHE market then go ahead. Im sure that guy already posted 1 or 2 negative reviews anyone on his stuff and wants to hire you to bash him more.

I would proceed with his request - do you best to cover up your ass, use proxies and perhaps if you want to me an asshole - reach out to that guy and charge him to get it removed. ( use an alias or under a different business name). Lots of money to be made out there meng, AND if you can close both deals. You just have to perhaps send some doctored screenshots or post the review then remove it after a day or so.

But its completely up to you - but you have options.

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11 years ago

Since you believe in karma the answer is simple - politely turn down this request or it will come back to you in a negative way in the future.

A REAL internet marketing business is above board and ethical in practice. You need to define how you are going to conduct yourself online. Maybe no one will find out if you do something like this, however, this person may become a nightmare to deal with.

You may regret going down this road.

Stay above board and keep a clean conscience and continue building a good reputation. That's my advice.

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rogersjbr

11 years ago

If you would kill someone for a lot of money then do it. This is like being a cyber hitman or Hitgirl, assassin etc.. It's the future, sci-fi stuff.

If the money is right I would do it.

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Originally Posted by rogersjbr

If the money is right I would do it.

I suspect a lot of people would, but few admit it so openly.
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seriousmny 11 years ago

Your inner self is telling you this is not the correct thing to do, that is why you are second guessing yourself.

If it were me, I would listen to that thing telling you that this is not an assignment you should take. Skip this one. It really is true, what goes around comes around. You don't want that boomerang coming back to you.

There will be other assignments coming your way. I believe that.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by rogersjbr

If you would kill someone for a lot of money then do it. This is like being a cyber hitman or Hitgirl, assassin etc.. It's the future, sci-fi stuff.

If the money is right I would do it.

There is something to be said for that perspective. People do things when they really need the money that ordinarily they would condemn.

It's like "negative SEO" in a sense. Not ethical, but its being done all the time, and we better at least know about it.

Personally, I'd stay far away from that job. If it is a scam, word will get around naturally soon enough. If its just a personal vendetta, than why help destroy someone's business who doesn't deserve it and potentially be hurt in the process when the truth comes out. Just not worth it.

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11 years ago

Everything points to not doing it. Ethics, Karma, Legal Issues....

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Kay King 11 years ago

I think some are letting personal opinions cloud their judgment on this question. This is not a crusader - he's a paid forum poster.

Whether you do it or not depends on how deeply into the muck you choose to be mired. In my opinion, people who will do anything for money aren't worth much...but that's just me.

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11 years ago

Interesting that I came across this article this week Judge says homeowner must delete some accusations on Yelp, Angie’s List - The Washington Post I think I would be careful

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Troy_Phillips

11 years ago

If you have the proof to back it up I think you should do a campaign letting everyone know the dude has to stoop this low because apparently his own product can not stand on it's own or against other products.

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Rebeccha Haase

11 years ago

It looks like you are trying to become a contract killer who kills people for money. You are going to destroy the hard work done by someone. I do not think you should take this kind of order.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Rebeccha Haase

It looks like you are trying to become a contract killer who kills people for money. You are going to destroy the hard work done by someone. I do not think you should take this kind of order.

Absolutely agreed... I know that this is your "job" but you should not accept money to do harm upon someone else. While posting positive reviews in exchange for payment is one thing, destroying someone's credibility and hard work for the same money is something completely different. Absolutely DO NOT DO IT. It will come back to haunt you.

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11 years ago

Never destroy anyone.

You might need them later

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RogueOne

11 years ago

But wait, isn't posting his private message here unethical?

No identifying information was posted, so I don't think it's a problem.

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