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The Ethics and Morals of IMer's

by nicolasmd2112
16 replies
I think i might have to adjust my methods here a little bit.

What are IM "Gurus" thinking to themselves when they launch a product? I imagined it would something like: "haha, these suckers don't know that they're paying for a garbage application that hardly works.....hahaha!"

I'm really getting sick of it, and i bet that everyone here on the forum is really getting sick of people complaining about them getting ripped off too, so i'm not going to talk about getting ripped of, instead, i'm going ot talk about what kind of Ethics and Morals IMer's go by. I see and read, and hear about all of these successful IMer's that are making thousands of dollars a week by promoting products, well to what extent does "promotion" mean? I have tried well over 10 of the types of products (in which they promise to help you make money) and after the last one, i asked myself, "Why the heck didn't i stop after the first one?" Because now i have lost more money then i was supposed to make!

To me, i only see the successful IMer's and people that that sort of cheat the system (whatever it is), lie about what they promise, and sell false hopes to people. Is that what IM is about? Do these millionaires actually make money from the lost hopes of others?

If you go onto YouTube for example, and look for a review for a certain ClickBank product, you would maybe find a lot, or a little, depending on how poular it is, but i aslo feel like, you will find an overwhelmingly large amount of negative reviews on ALL of these products! Type a specific product name into Google, and one of the first links that you see is something like: "Real Money Maker Review - It Is A Scam!" or "Why You shouldn't Buy Real Money Maker!"

What kind of morals and work ethics do professional IMer's have? Personally, i mostly feel like they make money off of people who waste their money away on useless product, and the successful marketers see that, so they take advantage of the situation. Is it the customers fault for being suckered into it? Maybe that's just the name of the game.
#ethics #imer #morals
  • Profile picture of the author Sharpay
    The worst part about these "secret money making methods" offered by "gurus" is that the secret method is to pretend you're a guru and sell those secret money making methods! Ugh.
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    • Profile picture of the author brentb
      Originally Posted by Sharpay View Post

      The worst part about these "secret money making methods" offered by "gurus" is that the secret method is to pretend you're a guru and sell those secret money making methods! Ugh.
      OH NO! You outed their secret! Now nobody needs to pay $97 anymore... Guru's going broke all over, oh no!

      LOL:p
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I know it is hard to believe in your moment of doubt, but most professional IMer's have excellent morals and ethics, and exhibit good character.

    The vast majority of products I buy about Internet Marketing are good products, by honest people.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Products and Imers go together, find a bad product that stays up for a while you will find a bad Imer.

    Find a great product find a great Imer.

    I am to blame on some bad products but I also ripped those products off the market fast. A ppc product comes to mine.

    Now. with that out of the way, we all dream and only 2 percent of Internet Marketers will ever make a dollar on the net. Why?

    Because people dream, they day dream and think all day, they research and then flip to something else. They are the ones that cause there own problems.

    I give them the tools, if they would put just half of what we try to teach into practice they might just be half successful, and alot that say they do, put it up and leave it doing nothing else and then cry because no one is coming to there site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Sorry, but there is no morality that applies to IM just like there is no morality that applies to rubber chickens. Morality is individual. Some people have 'em, and others ... not so much. It's the same in any profession, you have good eggs and bad eggs.
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    • Profile picture of the author sethdrebitko
      It's no worse than any other sales job. You'll never find an industry where there are not predators.
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      • Profile picture of the author icandi
        Originally Posted by sethdrebitko View Post

        It's no worse than any other sales job. You'll never find an industry where there are not predators.
        Totally agree, no industry is immune from people without ethics. We could start a league table.

        In fact I would put Banks in the top 10 or maybe the number one spot, closely followed by Insurance companies, and advances?

        Maybe it's because IMer's are not direct customer facing so it's easier to lose sight of the effect of their actions. On balance I think there's as many sharks in so many other industries.
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        • Profile picture of the author sethdrebitko
          Originally Posted by icandi View Post

          In fact I would put Banks in the top 10 or maybe the number one spot, closely followed by Insurance companies, and advances?
          I've actually worked directly in the mortgage and insurance company, and I can tell you, you're correct :p. The parallels to IM are actually allot more similar than you might think.

          You could always tell the people that were not going to make it because their first though was to blast their leads for as much as they could. Anyone worth their salt knows that if you foster a relationship with your leads they're more likely to come back; and most importantly referrals.
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          • Profile picture of the author brentb
            Morals are subjective, your morals don't equal my morals and vice versa. Some peoples morals are very strict, for example they think email marketing, even opted in, is wrong (Warriors - No link proof sorry).

            Live by your morals but don't expect anyone else to, its unrealistic. Nobody will ever agree on morals period. It is impossible. And as much as I believe something, logically nobody is right or wrong when it comes to morals. Realistically you can only measure is it legal vs is it effective.

            Examples: Death Penalty, Sex Before Marriage, Email marketing, Craigslist Ads... etc
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Yeah plus most the rip off artists stay with cpa and stuff like that because it is easy to manipulate.

    Now don't yell at me cause you do cpa, you know what I'm saying. Putting up an ad on cl and saying my ex left me, has anyone felt like this before please go here and tell me how you feel. they play on emotions and such.
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  • Profile picture of the author MasterAAO
    I think that the problem is people dont have a long term vision and strategy. I've come to realize over many years that no "one product" is the "it" that's going to make it rain. I'm not sure if that's an IM'ers fault. Sales is sales. You have to put the sales method in perspective. It's not wrong if some people get results. It's more like looking at your own skills and figuring out what you need to learn and where you are. I've found after a few different products the journey is more about testing my own ability to apply them instead of relying on any one product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    So when people talk about Gurus why is it that scammy products always comes up? What about the other side of the story? What about the people who buy the products, use it for like a week and claim it's a scam when they never put forth the effort.

    What about the beginner who doesn't make the right decisions when using the product and the result is their fault. Why is it always the GURU's fault for your lack of understanding, effort and willingness to make it work by making better decisions.

    Why is it the Guru's fault if you quit and move to something else every other week. Why is it the Gurus fault you keep jumping from one shiny object to the next and never really try any of them.

    I say it's GUT CHECK time for all those people who buy products.

    Conduct a self-test...

    On your next purchase use it... I mean really use it, for 90 days. Spend 3 hours a day making it work. Make good decisions based on the return your are getting from your effort. I'll bet that all the people complaining about scammy products will never be able to dedicate 3 hours a day for the next 90 days. Those are the same people that say they have no time but sleep for 7 hours every night and watch TV for 5 hours a day.

    Seems to me it's the Ethics and morals of those people who buy a product, never use it and get a refund within hours of purchase.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Guru hmmm

    I can throw you a shovel .. show you the gold mine ... I might even get you to dig as long as you are digging in sand .. hit a rock and .. if I don't tell you what to do .. you quit .. I am a scammer. If you had just flipped the freakin rock over .. the nugget was on the bottom.

    Most have not been scammed ... more than likely .. your own greed and lack of .. okay not a lack of anything .. just too lazy to do the work and too lazy to think for a little own your own .. will someone please stand up .. address the crowd .. take responsibility for yourself and say .. you know .. I think I scammed myself.

    I know there are scammers out there .. even here. Some of them are very good at what they do. Still at the end of the day ... only you can prevent forest fires.
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  • Profile picture of the author emini_guy
    I used to be much more critical of gurus myself when I was starting, but over the years my perspective has changed a bit. There are always two sides to the coin. I think that those who are eager to bash gurus are sometimes trying an easy way to avoid responsibility for their own success. Some eventually come to realize that, but that's probably a minority.

    Well, maybe more about it tomorrow. It's kinda late now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Surprised this hasn't got more exposure...
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    There are some internet marketers who don't give a (you know what) if people will get real value from a product or not. They want to get a fast sale and that's it.

    If you take a look at some product launches in the work at home arena, they are crap.

    Everyone wants to make huge money online at the end of the day and have their own interests. Some gurus are very good and some are sadly, bad.

    Those products that are good and do work, will always be "bad" for those who have tried and failed. They were not willing to do what ever it took.
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