Is This Rude? Or Is It Just Me?

by OnlineMasterMind 10 replies
Lately, it seems like there have been a lot more quality posts...

But what I've also noticed as of late is...

So often someone will post something that they genuinely think is a good idea or strategy and immediately I see people start criticizing the op and being increasingly negative - almost as if they were paying for the information!

Actually, there's some people around here and that's pretty much all they really do...

If you're gonna immediately jump in and disagree/dispute someone's post...(nothing wrong with this at all) it only makes sense to me that you should offer an alternative SOLUTION.

Personally, I'm grateful for everyone who comes here and makes an effort to share their ideas and what's working for them...

And I can say w/ absolute certainty I've gotten ideas here that have already helped my bottom line.

TIP: It helps if you focus on the IDEA vs. trying to nit pick the hell out of people...
#main internet marketing discussion forum #rude
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Valid criticisms are easy to spot. As are trolls.

    Some things don't need an alternative suggestion they just need to be shot down so that people do not get misled.

    I believe that most people have the benefit of common sense on their side... and for those who don't... well maybe they should look for a new line of work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jelasco
      OK, let's say someone starts a thread suggesting people should buy CDs with 1 million email addresses and send offers to them. So one of us replies that that is a bad plan, might get the person in trouble, etc.

      Are you saying there's something wrong with a reply like that? I don't agree.

      If people are going to post ideas in a forum, they should not expect everyone to agree with them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alice Seba
        I'd have to see examples of what you mean, but some of the article-type posts are just asking for criticism. Of course that's just my opinion, but maybe an opinion shared by others since you seem to think people jump all over these people readily.

        First, many of these types of posts are written in an arrogant, "you must do this" manner. Anybody who posts like that has to realize there will be criticism.

        Second, many are simply articles that people wrote and then pasted here. I know a lot of members may appreciate that, but personally, I think that goes against against what a forum is supposed to be. To me, a forum is a place for talking WITH like-minded people not talking AT them. When someone speaks AT people, they have to expect some resistance.

        Of course, if you're saying that the people replying aren't offering any additional information in their arguments then that's not helpful. But from what I've seen, most posts that disagree offer reasonable arguments.

        It's just the herd that either posts in agreement or disagreement (after an initial person disagrees) that don't offer much extra information. But the herd posts happen on both sides of the argument...just filter those out.

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        • Profile picture of the author X
          I agree with the original post.

          There is a tendency to do that here and I've
          been tempted to post about it numerous
          times.

          If someone is making an authentic attempt
          to share information they think is useful, then
          you don't need to ram it down their throat if
          you know otherwise.

          In particular I remember a post from a guy
          sharing a Clickbank tool he thought was of
          value - at least half-dozen people jumped on
          it telling him how worthless the information
          was. Fair enough, but the dude was trying
          share something he really thought had value.

          The fact that the last guy on this forum to
          be sharing tips from "How to Win Friends and
          Influence People" is in agreement ought to
          say something. It is rude.
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          • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
            I think something else that happens here is that we need to remember that there are several different types of businesses being discussed here and one person might be a "Bum Marketer" for example and that person is only committed to an Internet business at that level and that should be accepted.

            But sometimes I think people forget that and think they are being helpful by telling the laid back Bum Marketer to start expanding and move into Adwords and that article marketing is just to get you a start and so on.

            When these discussions come up about how to write a sales page and there is this attitude that there is only one right way to do it I cringe.

            Every niche needs to be spoken to or the sales letter written to their sensibilities and level of sophistication. It's work and that's why copywriters make what they do.

            I don't know what the answer is but I think the start should be that we not talk or treat each other any different then we do in the "real" world or offline.

            Matt
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              This kind of goes back to the debate we had a while back about what's
              great info to one person is crap to another, either because they know better
              or THINK that they know better.

              And that's the problem.

              I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've made a post trying to
              be helpful and 9 people will say "great post" and a tenth person will say,
              "That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard" and tear it to shreds.

              That's the nature of the beast when it comes to forums. I used to let it
              bother me. Now, I don't even care. I realize that everybody is going to
              have their opinions. Some will agree with me, some won't. Some who won't
              will be courteous about it. Others will be downright rude.

              Like I said, it's the nature of forums.

              I'm just sorry it took me so long to come to peace with that fact.
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              • Profile picture of the author KimW
                I might be guilty of what your talking about (or I might not) thats for others to decide. But I do have a problem with misinformation being given out by people that don't have a clue. You will find that by me mostly in hardware and software threads.
                I don't normally talk about my qualifications,but I am A+ certified, which I got many years ago when it actually meant something, plus I have a degree in networking and programming. So when I see people suggest software that I know is crap, I speak up.
                I would rather educate someone and/or save them from wasting money, or having to spend a lot of money down the line because the listened to someone that knows how to format a hard drive or run msconfig or regedit.
                So, if thats how others perceive some of my posts, I'm sorry,but I probaly won't change.
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          • Profile picture of the author jhongren
            This forum is made up a variety of people...some love to discuss, while others love to criticise. There is another group who are the encouragers and praisers.

            I feel there must be a balance of all worlds. Too much "Yes sir, you are the best." will most likely going to be less useful than constructive criticisms (as what Josh has mentioned.)

            I have experiences of putting myself in my mastermind group and having my sales page critcised like s**t...followed by how can we made it better.

            but the intention is clear. It is to make it better and we improve ourselves eventually.

            Cheers,
            John
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  • Profile picture of the author lindajess
    Well, I happen to agree here. While negativity can be accepted, not all of this is just critique. Some of it is done just to be mean. However, I don't think that there is an over abundance of mean people that are on this forum. I think everyone here is actually really great!

    You find mean people everywhere you go, you just have to take the good with the bad. If you don't like someone's opinion, you don't have to take their advise. You can ignore them and just continue doing whatever it was you were doing in the first place. Or, you can look at it and see it as their opinion and continue.

    If it is negative, then think about why that person is telling you that. If there really is no good reason for it, you can ignore it. However, if you look and see that there is something that can be done to fix whatever it is, then you can thank that person.

    I really don't think anyone is purposly trying to be mean here, I think they all just have their own opinions about everything. If they are being mean, then that's a whole different story. But so far, I haven't seen anyone being that mean.
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    • Profile picture of the author jhongren
      Originally Posted by lindajess View Post

      Well, I happen to agree here. While negativity can be accepted, not all of this is just critique. Some of it is done just to be mean. However, I don't think that there is an over abundance of mean people that are on this forum. I think everyone here is actually really great!

      You find mean people everywhere you go, you just have to take the good with the bad. If you don't like someone's opinion, you don't have to take their advise. You can ignore them and just continue doing whatever it was you were doing in the first place. Or, you can look at it and see it as their opinion and continue.

      If it is negative, then think about why that person is telling you that. If there really is no good reason for it, you can ignore it. However, if you look and see that there is something that can be done to fix whatever it is, then you can thank that person.

      I really don't think anyone is purposly trying to be mean here, I think they all just have their own opinions about everything. If they are being mean, then that's a whole different story. But so far, I haven't seen anyone being that mean.
      Sometimes it is really hard to judge how "mean" is "mean".

      Some comments may seem to be positive can be misinterpreted as mean to others.

      In any case, we have the rights to select what is useful and helpful for us.

      Cheers,
      John
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    • Profile picture of the author Jelasco
      Originally Posted by lindajess View Post

      Some of it is done just to be mean.

      I really don't think anyone is purposly trying to be mean here,
      So which is it?
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