How to trim/clean list?

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Hey,

I was wondering what tips or tricks you guys use to trim or clean up your lists inside your autoresponders?

Should I delete bounced emails? Should I delete deleted emails inside the system? Should I remove people who havent opened an email ever or people who have never clicked? Etc.

Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks
#list #trim or clean
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    A lot of this depends on your process and goals. Some of the basics, though, are pretty consistent. If you're using a service like Aweber or GetResponse for your list, just let them handle the bounce processing.

    I had typed out a long explanation of basic list hygiene for people who handle this stuff on their own, but it got into too much detail that can change based on the receiving systems. Here's the really simple version: Remove hard bounces immediately. Remove soft bounces if you get 3 in any 10 day period. That will keep you out of most of the trouble that bad list maintenance can cause.

    (I know. The soft-bounce rules/response codes will vary from system to system.)

    Unless you have a really good reason to keep them, you should delete bounced addresses and unsubscribes from your database - after making a current backup.

    Make the backup first so you have the sign-up IP address and date, and the unsubscribe date.

    If you're managing your own list, this just keeps the system load down a bit. For paid services, this can keep your costs down, too. Some services include unsubscribed addresses in your list total for purposes of billing.

    The question about "people who haven't opened an email" is a tricky one. Some folks, myself included, could read every email you ever send and not show up in the open rate numbers unless I also click a tracking link in the message. I don't automatically load images in my mail reader, but I do buy stuff.

    Some of the webmail services tend to turn off automatic image loading for some accounts or senders, so relying on "opens" for the decision could be losing you subscribers and potential customers that way, too.

    Deleting people who haven't clicked on anything in X period of time or number of emails is a different thing. If your list is primarily a sales/promo vehicle, you may want to do that. How long you wait or how many links they have to ignore before you delete them is going to be a decision you make based on your own criteria and mailing practices.

    If you send 3 emails a week, and they don't click on any of the links within the first month, that's a common threshold for triggering a deletion. One gentleman I know sends 2 a week and removes people who don't order within the first 3 months. A lot of people have fixed sequences of automated emails and move customers to separate lists after they order. The rest get deleted when they've completed the sequence.

    Some people look for other things. I have subscribers who've been with me for close to 16 years and never bought anything. They're still reading, so I'm okay with that.

    There are no hard and fast rules for that part. You make the decision that best fits YOUR goals.


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    • Profile picture of the author Edwin Torres
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      A lot of this depends on your process and goals. Some of the basics, though, are pretty consistent. If you're using a service like Aweber or GetResponse for your list, just let them handle the bounce processing.

      I had typed out a long explanation of basic list hygiene for people who handle this stuff on their own, but it got into too much detail that can change based on the receiving systems. Here's the really simple version: Remove hard bounces immediately. Remove soft bounces if you get 3 in any 10 day period. That will keep you out of most of the trouble that bad list maintenance can cause.

      (I know. The soft-bounce rules/response codes will vary from system to system.)

      Unless you have a really good reason to keep them, you should delete bounced addresses and unsubscribes from your database - after making a current backup.

      Make the backup first so you have the sign-up IP address and date, and the unsubscribe date.

      If you're managing your own list, this just keeps the system load down a bit. For paid services, this can keep your costs down, too. Some services include unsubscribed addresses in your list total for purposes of billing.

      The question about "people who haven't opened an email" is a tricky one. Some folks, myself included, could read every email you ever send and not show up in the open rate numbers unless I also click a tracking link in the message. I don't automatically load images in my mail reader, but I do buy stuff.

      Some of the webmail services tend to turn off automatic image loading for some accounts or senders, so relying on "opens" for the decision could be losing you subscribers and potential customers that way, too.

      Deleting people who haven't clicked on anything in X period of time or number of emails is a different thing. If your list is primarily a sales/promo vehicle, you may want to do that. How long you wait or how many links they have to ignore before you delete them is going to be a decision you make based on your own criteria and mailing practices.

      If you send 3 emails a week, and they don't click on any of the links within the first month, that's a common threshold for triggering a deletion. One gentleman I know sends 2 a week and removes people who don't order within the first 3 months. A lot of people have fixed sequences of automated emails and move customers to separate lists after they order. The rest get deleted when they've completed the sequence.

      Some people look for other things. I have subscribers who've been with me for close to 16 years and never bought anything. They're still reading, so I'm okay with that.

      There are no hard and fast rules for that part. You make the decision that best fits YOUR goals.


      Paul
      Thanks for the thorough and in-depth answer Paul. Regarding deletog people who haven't clicked any links, even if you have images turned off does the link in your email client still show up hyperlinked? This is what I am worried about when it comes to sending text and HTML versions of my emails out.

      Would it be safe to delete the people who haven't clicked a single thing? Or even of I send out text versions will it still hyperlink it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
        One idea that has worked well is to build your list with an insanely over delivered $1 offer. In this way you are only getting buyers to your list.

        You can also form a new list of buyers from all your lists by offering your lists that $1 offer. If you mail 3 $1 offers say one per month and they still have not bought they are likely dead weight and only useful to pad your list size for ad swaps.

        Just an idea.

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      • Profile picture of the author Coby
        Originally Posted by Edwin Torres View Post

        Regarding deletog people who haven't clicked any links, even if you have images turned off does the link in your email client still show up hyperlinked? This is what I am worried about when it comes to sending text and HTML versions of my emails out.

        Would it be safe to delete the people who haven't clicked a single thing? Or even of I send out text versions will it still hyperlink it?
        This will depend on your Autoresponder...

        If it's an html email it will be tracked by most a/r's...

        However, if it's a PLAIN TEXT email - it gets tricky...

        For instance - I use Imnica and Aweber... Aweber DOES cloak and track links in plain text emails (although there is a way to turn this off) while Imnica leaves them alone... This means at Imnica people clicking your link (or opening your emails) from a plain text email client will not be getting tracked.

        Hope this helps.

        Cheers,
        Coby
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    i keep things simple

    i find all the people that haven't opened an email in say 2 months and delete them

    if people are opening my emails that's good enough for me to keep them on my list because at some point when the right offer hits their inbox they will buy something

    the ones that don't even open my emails over a 2 month period are quite clearly not interested in absolutely anything which i have to say or offer so i delete them

    i usually stick to around at least 2 months of them not opening any of my emails, this has given them plenty of chances to read my emails by this point
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  • Profile picture of the author mrelk159
    Make a paid optin offer.

    If you want only serious and high quality leads than offer them a chance to sign up for your newsletter etc, for $1. If they are willing to make that commitment that they are a quality lead for your opt-in list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Edwin,
      This is what I am worried about when it comes to sending text and HTML versions of my emails out.
      As Coby alluded to, the service/software you're using will affect that. Some will only show the coded tracking link in the HTML version, and some will show it in both. I would imagine there are systems which allow you to choose for each, too.

      It's pretty simple to test this stuff for yourself. Just spend an hour or so testing things out with a list containing only your email address(es) and you'll have the info you need to work within whatever decision you make.


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