Youtube deleting accounts that use software ?

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Hey everyone,
I was wondering if anyone else has run into Youtube deleting
a channel because of software use ?
There are a ton of software tools out there to share videos etc.
but it seems Youtube is deleting accounts these days that use
any type of "video sharing" or "message sending" software
for Youtube, even if the software does send with the proper
sending intervals etc.

Anyone else noticing this ?

I would love to hear some input on this.
#accounts #deleting #software #youtube
  • Profile picture of the author blackjack
    Well done to youtube. They should have taken these actions long time ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
      Originally Posted by blackjack View Post

      Well done to youtube. They should have taken these actions long time ago.
      hey Blackjack,

      thanks for your input. I'm not convinced that Youtube
      is doing anything new, but it seems they are.
      What's odd is that Youtube provides the API.
      They control what the API can do, and they allow software
      to share videos with your contacts on youtube etc.
      So they are encouraging people to make software that performs
      these tasks. That is why it would be strange for them to start
      deleting accounts that use such software, but it "seems" that
      they may be doing this now.

      The software has to follow their "sending interval" restrictions,
      but other than that it's just sharing messages and videos with
      your Youtube contacts. Nothing bad about that is there ?

      There are a ton of software tools out there, some are sold by
      fellow warriors right here on the WF. I would love to hear from
      some of the people that use these software programs to share
      videos and send messages on Youtube.

      Thanks everyone !
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      • Profile picture of the author blackjack
        Originally Posted by Vendor-Lock View Post

        Youtube provides the API.
        Yes, along with youtube there are lot of other sites that provide APIs. Access to APIs does not mean that you can spam and create scripts to spam. All of these software are faking views, comments, rating etc.

        Youtube is deleting accounts where it believe a software or script is use to faek views, blacklinks etc. If you are not using these tricks then you should have no worries.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by blackjack View Post

      Well done to youtube. They should have taken these actions long time ago.
      yes it funny that the people doing the wrong thing are winging and whining.

      Do you see people that pump out daily good videos with original content get banned.

      NO effing WAY!, and there is a good reason for that, is there not!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemeth
    Yes YT is deleting videos that use fake views so be careful, there are still good services out there that will not get your video deleted.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
      Originally Posted by mikemeth View Post

      Yes YT is deleting videos that use fake views so be careful, there are still good services out there that will not get your video deleted.
      No, I don't mean "fake" views.
      I mean software that shares your video and sends messages.

      eg. tube toolbox or tube fool

      There is nothing fake about the views when you share your
      video and real people go view it. I would never use software
      that "fakes" views. That for sure is BS and Youtube SHOULD
      delete an account for such activity, not just the video.

      I mean legit video sharing tools that follow Youtube's own
      sharing guidlines and "sending intervals"
      it seems they are deleting whole channels for using this type
      of software now, but they provide the API for software to do it.
      I am not sure they are actually doing this, I am wondering if
      people here that use such software are experiencing this ?
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Anything that breaks You Tube's terms is reason for them to shut down your account.

    They do not want you using software they want everything natural.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      Anything that breaks You Tube's terms is reason for them to shut down your account.

      They do not want you using software they want everything natural.

      I agree with you that you can't violate the TOS.
      but they provide the API. that means they want people
      to create software to perform these tasks, so why
      would they delete accounts now for using the API ?
      as long as the software shares videos according to
      the Youtube video share API guidelines, there is no
      violation of the TOS.

      Is anyone here using these tools right now that has had
      experience with Youtube deleting channels ? or heard of this ?
      I'm wondering if it's really happening.
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      • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
        Originally Posted by Vendor-Lock View Post

        I agree with you that you can't violate the TOS.
        but they provide the API. that means they want people
        to create software to perform these tasks, so why
        would they delete accounts now for using the API ?
        Using the software is not natural. Just like Google will sandbox a domain for attempting to automate a process You Tube is owned by Google. A easy way of never getting your account shut down is to do everything naturally and only upload your content.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
          Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

          Using the software is not natural. Just like Google will sandbox a domain for attempting to automate a process You Tube is owned by Google. A easy way of never getting your account shut down is to do everything naturally and only upload your content.
          If they don't want it, why do they provide an API and encourage people
          to create software that perfoms these tasks then ?
          They could just remove these features from the API.

          That's why I'm asking if anyone here that actually uses these tools
          are experiencing this. Because it seems odd, and I'm not even sure
          there's anything going on for sure in this department with Youtube.
          I was hoping to get some feedback from experienced software users
          to see if Youtube is indeed starting to delete accounts that use
          such software, even though they allow it, and provide the API to do it.

          I agree with you though, natural is best
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    Whatever the API wrapper provides as functions is what they allow people to do.
    They do not encourage the use of tools to buy likes, views or comments.
    It's very easy for them to pinpoint who has done this and shut down accounts.
    The solution is to remove your videos now, don't buy WSO's that encourage buying views and play by YouTube's and Google's rules in the future.
    Game the system and you're toast.
    It's not rocket science.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
      Originally Posted by troy23 View Post

      Whatever the API wrapper provides as functions is what they allow people to do.
      They do not encourage the use of tools to buy likes, views or comments.
      It's very easy for them to pinpoint who has done this and shut down accounts.
      The solution is to remove your videos now, don't buy WSO's that encourage buying views and play by YouTube's and Google's rules in the future.
      Game the system and you're toast.
      It's not rocket science.

      Hey Troy thanks for your comments.
      the tools like tube tool box just share videos
      with your contacts you have on youtube,
      not paid views. And these tools do use the API.

      Just wondering if anyone is experiencing a "phasing out"
      of the whole idea of sharing videos with software by youtube.
      I haven't read anything on Youtube about it.
      It would seem strange that they would punish
      someone for using software that abides by the TOS
      and uses their API, but you never know I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gengis
    Yes cuz most software for any type of youtube automation of any type of thing is Shady
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    There's really no science behind YouTube.
    I'm unsure why there are all these WSO's, tools etc for it.
    All you have to do is upload your video, optimise for the title and description with your keywords, set tags and your're done.
    That's it.
    There's nothing more to it.
    I've made good adsense over the years from YouTube by doing exactly that.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Frankly, I have always been AMAZED at sites like youtube. EVENTUALLY, they become less amazing, if you get my point. YOUTUBE ALREADY got to that point, with the advertising, etc... But if they are disabled by sharing, or yours have no such ads, sharing your videos is a pure drain.

    As for the API? A lot of questions come into play. For one, maybe this youtube didn't write it, but the OLD youtube did. Such things would be problematic to remove.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Frankly, I have always been AMAZED at sites like youtube. EVENTUALLY, they become less amazing, if you get my point. YOUTUBE ALREADY got to that point, with the advertising, etc... But if they are disabled by sharing, or yours have no such ads, sharing your videos is a pure drain.

      As for the API? A lot of questions come into play. For one, maybe this youtube didn't write it, but the OLD youtube did. Such things would be problematic to remove.

      Steve

      hey Steve,

      thanks for your input. that is a very valid point, I never thought of that.
      You are right, the "new" youtube after slowly being taken under Google's
      wing, may be opposed to tools that "use to be" ok, but pulling things
      from API could be problematic. Very good point. Thanks !
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  • Profile picture of the author SandyDuPlessis
    Originally Posted by Vendor-Lock View Post

    Hey everyone,
    I was wondering if anyone else has run into Youtube deleting
    a channel because of software use ?
    There are a ton of software tools out there to share videos etc.
    but it seems Youtube is deleting accounts these days that use
    any type of "video sharing" or "message sending" software
    for Youtube, even if the software does send with the proper
    sending intervals etc.

    Anyone else noticing this ?

    I would love to hear some input on this.
    There are a lot of changes taking place at YT at the moment and everybody needs to be careful until things settle down and we can be sure of what is now acceptable and what is not.

    Yes, they are objecting to various software tools that used to be allowed.
    Yes, there are some online video creation sites/tools that are getting the thumbs down - they want their own to be used
    Yes, the use of "alias sites" such as TextNow and Pinger is to be avoided.
    Yes, there are more and more unethical marketers flagging competitors videos - YT is aware of this and watching them
    Yes, YT wants more content rich channels and less of the set and forget type

    Hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
      Originally Posted by SandyDuPlessis View Post

      There are a lot of changes taking place at YT at the moment and everybody needs to be careful until things settle down and we can be sure of what is now acceptable and what is not.

      Yes, they are objecting to various software tools that used to be allowed.
      Yes, there are some online video creation sites/tools that are getting the thumbs down - they want their own to be used
      Yes, the use of "alias sites" such as TextNow and Pinger is to be avoided.
      Yes, there are more and more unethical marketers flagging competitors videos - YT is aware of this and watching them
      Yes, YT wants more content rich channels and less of the set and forget type

      Hope this helps
      Excellent info. Thank you very much. This is what I suspected.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
    It doesn't take long for the big G to catch up on what some marketers are doing.. I've been noticing more and more of fake comments and fake comment ratings. I wouldnt be surprised if accounts started getting deleted.
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by RussellK View Post

      It doesn't take long for the big G to catch up on what some marketers are doing.. I've been noticing more and more of fake comments and fake comment ratings. I wouldnt be surprised if accounts started getting deleted.
      They already took steps to address this. Now they are interlinking your gmail/g account name with your youtube name. This means they are actively monitoring what goes on.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrswagset
    Sony lost over 1 billion views becaus eof the youtube update that took place on the 19th! I mean Youtube is owned by Google so what do you expect. Be careful bro!
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    • Profile picture of the author Erik Wong
      Originally Posted by mrswagset View Post

      Sony lost over 1 billion views becaus eof the youtube update that took place on the 19th! I mean Youtube is owned by Google so what do you expect. Be careful bro!
      No, it isn't due to software. Somebody at Sony used Adsense exploits. Poof! Deep cut!
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      • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
        Originally Posted by Erik Wong View Post

        No, it isn't due to software. Somebody at Sony used Adsense exploits. Poof! Deep cut!
        Well thanks for your input Erik. It seems there is a "TubeSlapping"
        taking place wide-spread. In fact, I am now coining the phrase
        " TubeSlapped "

        Feel free to use it

        cheers
        Jeff Noyes
        Vendor-Lock Software co.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    YouTube is as two-faced as Google which doesn't really come as any surprise, seeing as they were bought by them. It just took them a while to become "Google-ized".

    Keep diversifying your methods. Don't just use any one YouTube method. Use multiple. I noticed today that one of my accounts had been banned but, no problem, I have several more. I didn't even notice its absence.

    Hi Chris,

    Yes I think you are right. I think they are being two-faced.
    It seems they are deleting accounts that use tube tool box etc.
    but these software programs share videos within the TOS
    and don't "fake" views. But they may be not liking the "messaging and
    video comments" that these programs generate. I also think
    that the comments made above about Youtube disliking things
    that "used to be" ok with the "old" Youtube but can't pull it out of
    the API easily is also a very possible sanario.

    Sorry to hear about your channel. I guess I will have to start using
    multiply channels like you suggest since Youtube is deleting accounts
    without explanation.

    Thanks for your input.

    cheers
    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    Eventually all sites stop any form of automation to combate spam - even if you're not necessarily spamming..

    My buddy got his channel removed. Looks like they're doing it more widespread now
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Lee Jr
    Hey Vender-lock

    I understand what you are saying.

    I have warned against software for months now because I know how Google likes to play, and would eventually goes down this road

    The safest bet with YouTube is just to do everything manually.

    Even with approved software like Tube Toolbox - we are now commonly hearing accounts being shutdown quite often.

    I have a lot of WSO's that encourage software, but I just learn the methods being taught and implement everything manually, and don't seem to run into a problem.

    I don't have a lot of experience with API's but from what I understand is, that you can get an API for just about anything, but how you use it, is completely up to you.
    So it wouldn't be difficult for a programmer to create software for sending messages, views, likes, comments, etc...
    ...but it doesn't mean YouTube would agree with it.

    Go Manual - using software directly on a Google platform is a probably a recipe for disaster.

    Then again, I get the impression that for most folk it's a numbers game, and when one account closes just open 20 more.

    ...And if someone is making good money doing that, who can argue with them.

    I just don't see software on YouTube as a viable long term strategy for video marketing

    Just my two cents
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    • Profile picture of the author Hardi Wijaya
      Even if you don't use software and your practice totally abide to YT's TOS, your channel may also be hammered by flaggers aka competitions

      This is one area YT must patch up.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
        Originally Posted by Hardi Wijaya View Post

        Even if you don't use software and your practice totally abide to YT's TOS, your channel may also be hammered by flaggers aka competitions

        This is one area YT must patch up.
        Thanks for your input Hardi. I agree with you. I think accounts are getting
        deleted by competitors flagging videos. I also think the comments
        about the new Googlized Youtube not liking software tools that used
        to be ok is also a strong possibility.
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      • Profile picture of the author Erik Wong
        Originally Posted by Hardi Wijaya View Post

        Even if you don't use software and your practice totally abide to YT's TOS, your channel may also be hammered by flaggers aka competitions

        This is one area YT must patch up.
        There's already a feature for Google listing. Such will be ready for Youtube soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author SandyDuPlessis
        Originally Posted by Hardi Wijaya View Post

        Even if you don't use software and your practice totally abide to YT's TOS, your channel may also be hammered by flaggers aka competitions

        This is one area YT must patch up.
        YT is well aware of illegal flagging and are apparently working on a fix. Meanwhile, they have now made it relatively easy to appeal. I know of several marketers who have had their channels and videos re-instated within just a few days as a result of appeals.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
          Originally Posted by SandyDuPlessis View Post

          YT is well aware of illegal flagging and are apparently working on a fix. Meanwhile, they have now made it relatively easy to appeal. I know of several marketers who have had their channels and videos re-instated within just a few days as a result of appeals.
          Too bad they're deleting a lot of people's hard work before they
          figure out what to do about it. It would be nicer if they made it
          right first, THEN delete any accounts violating the TOS for real.
          The new "patch" would ensure they're getting the right videos
          and channels and not one flagged by a mean greedy competitor.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
      Originally Posted by Martin Lee Jr View Post

      Hey Vender-lock

      I understand what you are saying.

      I have warned against software for months now because I know how Google likes to play, and would eventually goes down this road

      The safest bet with YouTube is just to do everything manually.

      Even with approved software like Tube Toolbox - we are now commonly hearing accounts being shutdown quite often.

      I have a lot of WSO's that encourage software, but I just learn the methods being taught and implement everything manually, and don't seem to run into a problem.

      I don't have a lot of experience with API's but from what I understand is, that you can get an API for just about anything, but how you use it, is completely up to you.
      So it wouldn't be difficult for a programmer to create software for sending messages, views, likes, comments, etc...
      ...but it doesn't mean YouTube would agree with it.

      Go Manual - using software directly on a Google platform is a probably a recipe for disaster.

      Then again, I get the impression that for most folk it's a numbers game, and when one account closes just open 20 more.

      ...And if someone is making good money doing that, who can argue with them.

      I just don't see software on YouTube as a viable long term strategy for video marketing

      Just my two cents

      Thanks for your comments Martin. I think you're right.
      Software to share videos on Youtube is no longer safe.
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  • Hi, by my side I got an account closed just for posting some Amazon review videos from a well known WSO I bought here on Warrior Forum.
    If you want to solve that, the better is to try other video networks, or upload the videos just for you as private, then share them on your pages.

    Doing marketing on Youtube is becoming difficult, because they are unprofessional.

    See you soon,
    Alessandro
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    • Profile picture of the author Simiv68
      Originally Posted by Alessandro Zamboni View Post

      Doing marketing on Youtube is becoming difficult, because they are unprofessional.
      No, it's becoming difficult because Google owns it and they don't want you making money off of YouTube, unless it's from ads and then Google will tell you how much you can make.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vendor-Lock
        Originally Posted by Simiv68 View Post

        No, it's becoming difficult because Google owns it and they don't want you making money off of YouTube, unless it's from ads and then Google will tell you how much you can make.
        As much as I hate to admit it, I think the Google takeover is the main
        reasons things are "getting difficult". You are right. They want you to
        use THEIR ad platform to make money. Nothing else.
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  • Profile picture of the author LifeIsGood
    YouTube (via Google) detects every automated software-generated scheme imaginable, and they do in fact disable (delete, penalize) everything that they detect violates their terms of service.

    Unfortunately, they sometimes penalize you for non-automated, non-violations of terms of service, too.

    Once they have disabled the videos, the links leading back to your site are still existent (behind the scenes, even though you can't see them), and they penalize any site they had previously linked to. (You can see evidence of this in your Google Webmaster Tools and typically as evidenced by dropped ranking in serps.) True, you can then 'dis-avow' the links, but since they originated with YouTube (controlled by Google), the penalties are still existent behind the scenes in Google's Big Brother memory bank..

    Hopefully someday we can all become Google non-dependent.

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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I sure hope they are deleting accounts that use software.

    Anyone using Youtube the way it was intended to be used does not need to use software.

    Good riddance to those users I say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    I just heard it from you. And that is very upsetting. There are lots of people who use softwares, I was once one of them. but now i don't use any software so I am not worried.
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  • Profile picture of the author markobrien
    I think we have all purchased software to automate or in effect cheat the system. If we read the add copy it even claims to beat the system. The "system" in this case Google is pretty smart and figures it out after a while. I agree with the do it naturally crowd fewer problems down the road plus you learn a new skill.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saavy1
    Software automation issues can be problematic. Most of the people that are being banned have 'spun' videos,' and have not created content that is really informative or worth watching. Always come back to what Google's main premise is: Give the viewer so their user experience is worthwhile to them -- not to your backlink strategy.

    Also it sounds like a few of the people who had reposted others' videos may have violated copyright laws. Copyright laws are in place to help the person who created the content retain their ownership of it. You take, now you get slapped. For years, people have taken the content and figured it was OK. It's never been OK, and now it the solution can track things on a more sophisticated level.

    TIP: if you've used images that you don't own the rights for in your videos, either pull down the videos completely. Or go back, license the images, redo the video with the licensed or public domain content, and sleep better at night knowing your business won't get hit. SEO now stands for "Search Engine Open" because all that we do is now open to be verified as ours - or not.
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    Interesting post - appreciate everyone's input.
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