Who is Making 5k+ from Affiliate Marketing Every Month?

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Hi,
Just curious to know that how many people around here are making 5K+ from selling affiliate products?

I have done JV's and ran my own products, bought many WSO's and tried many new methods but my efforts didn't scored me 700$+ on average....

So want to know about the people over here who are making 5k+ from affiliate marketing...

Please: If you do earn please share your voice... I would appreciate this...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bai_Mike
    Are you doing email marketing?
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    • Profile picture of the author hassan007
      Originally Posted by Bai_Mike View Post

      Are you doing email marketing?
      Thanx for the reply... No I am not... I am doing affiliate Marketing...
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      • Profile picture of the author THK
        Originally Posted by hassan007 View Post

        Thanx for the reply... No I am not... I am doing affiliate Marketing...
        Those are not always mutually exclusive. I think he was asking if you are building a list and then promoting your affiliate offers to your list or not?

        What niches have you tried so far? Is it only Internet Marketing?
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        • Profile picture of the author Bai_Mike
          Originally Posted by THK View Post

          Those are not always mutually exclusive. I think he was asking if you are building a list and then promoting your affiliate offers to your list or not?

          What niches have you tried so far? Is it only Internet Marketing?
          Yeah, that was what I was pointing out. Are you building a list on the site?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by hassan007 View Post

        Just curious to know that how many people around here are making 5K+ from selling affiliate products?
        Many people don't like disclosing their incomes (perfectly legitimate question though it is, in a forum subtitled "Where we talk about making money"), and some have found that referring to them openly incurs hostility, resentment, even personal attacks and "challenges for proof of income" from those not doing quite so well and frustrated by that.

        But I promise you that very large numbers of Warriors are earning over $5k per month from affiliate marketing. And I'm willing to put my head over the parapet and admit to being one of them (since I've commented in other threads that I earned about that after about 7/8 months, and I've been doing this for 4 years now).

        Originally Posted by hassan007 View Post

        I have done JV's and ran my own products, bought many WSO's and tried many new methods
        I don't do any of those things, at all.

        I've never done a JV, never had my own product, buy very few WSO's and use only older, throughly tried and tested, well established, reliable, widely proven, methods.

        I wouldn't want to do any of those things, and don't imagine that it would help my income to do them. (I'm not suggesting they can't sometimes help other people, of course).

        Originally Posted by hassan007 View Post

        Are you doing email marketing?
        Thanx for the reply... No I am not... I am doing affiliate Marketing...
        I suppose I may be mistaken (though honestly I'd be astonished if I am, this time!) but I don't believe there'll be one single person here who's making $5,000+ per month from affiliate marketing without doing email marketing. I'm not even convinced there'll even be one single person making $1,000+ per month, that way. As a full-time affiliate marketer, I could barely earn anything at all without using email marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author ringer37
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I suppose I may be mistaken (though honestly I'd be astonished if I am, this time!) but I don't believe there'll be one single person here who's making $5,000+ per month from affiliate marketing without doing email marketing. I'm not even convinced there'll even be one single person making $1,000+ per month, that way. As a full-time affiliate marketer, I could barely earn anything at all without using email marketing.
          Yeah...you are mistaken :p Earlier this year I was bringing in $7,000-$8,000 per month net profit with absolutely no email marketing. All I was doing was ranking sites in google promoting clickbank products. Unfortunately, that hot streak didn't last very long though, sites got smacked by the Penguin update.

          Now I'm focusing much more on email marketing, more stable and reliable income than SEO.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I suppose I may be mistaken (though honestly I'd be astonished if I am, this time!) but I don't believe there'll be one single person here who's making $5,000+ per month from affiliate marketing without doing email marketing. I'm not even convinced there'll even be one single person making $1,000+ per month, that way. As a full-time affiliate marketer, I could barely earn anything at all without using email marketing.
          Actually, I know one, or at least that's what he told me. He said he was banking around 800 euros per month, selling weight loss and beauty physical products. He wasn't building a list, and his site was a typical "review" website, with a few articles here and there (mostly provided by the affiliate network, which advised them (their affiliates) to spin them, and even provided them ready for spin).

          The problem is he was depending on SEO and was not building a list, so when a Google update knocked at his door, his earnings were slashed more brutally than a medieval decapitation...

          (Not to mention the products he was promoting were white label products (I think), re-branded and way overpriced, and that's why he had good payouts, and therefore a (fragile) 800 euros per month income.)

          I also know someone here boasted they make good money (I assume over $1000 per month), with Amazon, while not building a list. (And I think you might actually know that person, since I remember you tried to explain to him that she's losing so much money by not using email marketing - with no success, unfortunately).

          Later edit:

          But what I don't understand is why someone wouldn't want to build a list since repeat sales are easier with one. Let's assume one doesn't lose much traffic without building a list, and the initial sales would be the same regardless if someone builds or doesn't build a list. But after the initial sale, the list owner has a crowd of proven buyers to whom she can promote more products, while the other person has nothing. If one can't realize this, then I don't know what else to say...
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

            Actually, I know one, or at least that's what he told me. He said he was banking around 800 euros per month
            That's a fraction of $5k ...

            And the guy posting above you was SEO-dependent and isn't still earning his $7/$8k now.

            But ok, I overstated it a little, perhaps. Well, I hope not to have diminished the value of the underlying point by doing that. :p
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            • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              That's a fraction of $5k ...
              I was referring to your conviction that there isn't one person who is making $1,000, so I found one.

              But I get your point, and I added a paragraph to my first reply to make it clear that I believe in list building as well.

              Nice article marketing website, by the way.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              That's a fraction of $5k ...

              And the guy posting above you was SEO-dependent and isn't still earning his $7/$8k now.

              But ok, I overstated it a little, perhaps. Well, I hope not to have diminished the value of the underlying point by doing that. :p

              Hi Alexa,

              Actually, I was making around $5k for several months promoting CPA offers with Adwords. I was, well, still am a member of Gauher Chauhdry's "PPC Formula". I eventually lost my Adwords account, though, as many other affiliates did and that brought things to a screaching halt.

              I could jump right back into it with media buys, PPV, PPC, etc, but I really don't want to. For one thing, most CPA offers I've seen have gone downhill in a big way. People used to get 30 day free trials and then that dropped to 21, 14, 7 days, etc. I heard horror stories of some people not having their "free trial" item shipped until the day before the trial was over. Then their credit card would be charged and they'd get stuck in an awful continuity program that would sometimes take them months to get out of.

              Not my style. I have a conscience.

              There were a few decent CPA offers, but they were "here and gone". You'd be promoting them and making great money one day and the next you'd get an email from your affiliate manager telling you that they'd reached their cap and to pull the plug on the campaign. That was a drag.

              Anyway, I'm doing it right this time. Hmmm...did you say 7-8 months? I'll do it in 6. LOL
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          • Profile picture of the author JoeMack
            Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post


            But what I don't understand is why someone wouldn't want to build a list since repeat sales are easier with one. Let's assume one doesn't lose much traffic without building a list, and the initial sales would be the same regardless if someone builds or doesn't build a list. But after the initial sale, the list owner has a crowd of proven buyers to whom she can promote more products, while the other person has nothing. If one can't realize this, then I don't know what else to say...
            The reason people don't do email marketing/start and maintain a mailing list is because it is time-consuming, tedious, and incurs a monthly expense (unless you pay yearly).

            I am not saying that it is any of those things. But if email marketing was tedious, time-consuming, and expensive, it would still be worth it.

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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I suppose I may be mistaken (though honestly I'd be astonished if I am, this time!) but I don't believe there'll be one single person here who's making $5,000+ per month from affiliate marketing without doing email marketing. I'm not even convinced there'll even be one single person making $1,000+ per month, that way. As a full-time affiliate marketer, I could barely earn anything at all without using email marketing.
          Be astonished then, although perhaps I am the one more astonished that such a myopic claim would be made that email marketing is required to promote as an affiliate.

          I have written, in several products, that the mindset of doing email marketing for most affiliate products is dead wrong and keeps many from making the money they should.

          Sure, for some products or niches email is fine.

          But, assume someone wants to buy a toaster and you have an affiliate website reviewing toasters. Are you really going to use a squeeze page to get a confirmed email address before providing information about toasters? Or are are you going to want to push that person to the most appropriate merchant and product as soon as possible?

          I make more than $5k from SEO and PPC and not a single email.

          Just because you are not making money using a certain method hardly means others cannot. Maybe you're promoting the wrong products. Possibly, your SEO and PPC would be better if you ditched the email.

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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            But, assume someone wants to buy a toaster and you have an affiliate website reviewing toasters. Are you really going to use a squeeze page to get a confirmed email address before providing information about toasters?
            Not if I have a review-site for toasters, no. But I think of that as a second-best way to do affiliate marketing.

            I'd rather have an affiliate site for kitchen equipment and build a list from it. Today's toaster is tomorrow's blender and the next day's refrigerator.

            Otherwise I can't (a) keep the person coming back to my site (and not so many buy the first time), or (b) make repeated sales to the same people. And those two things are most of my income.

            It's a different perspective, Brian. I hear what you're saying, but I wouldn't want a review site for toasters, myself.

            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            Possibly, your SEO and PPC would be better if you ditched the email.
            I'm not that interested in SEO traffic. (I do get floods of it, but it doesn't compare in quality with article marketing traffic, for me). And I probably wouldn't want to spend money on PPC without building a list from the traffic, myself. Hats off to those who do, though. I've already acknowledged that my assertion above was exaggerated and mistaken, by the way.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            But, assume someone wants to buy a toaster and you have an affiliate website reviewing toasters. Are you really going to use a squeeze page to get a confirmed email address before providing information about toasters? Or are are you going to want to push that person to the most appropriate merchant and product as soon as possible?

            I make more than $5k from SEO and PPC and not a single email.
            In this marketing scenario, may I suggest perhaps building a list from those who buy the toasters? With email marketing campaigns to these proven buyers, you can lead them into progressive encounters with incrementally higher end products. This is precisely what Amazon does with the traffic you so generously send them.
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            • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              In this marketing scenario, may I suggest perhaps building a list from those who buy the toasters? With email marketing campaigns to these proven buyers, you can lead them into progressive encounters with incrementally higher end products. This is precisely what Amazon does with the traffic you so generously send them.
              I did catch the nuance of an affiliate knowing who the merchant's "buyers" are and further marketing to them - and I know you know I have a strategy for getting this info.

              Otherwise ...

              You are assuming Amazon is a primary target (there are increasing reasons not to send traffic to Amazon, such as their PPC ads). You are also assuming the merchant has higher end products. You are further assuming the payoff from sending emails to "toaster" buyers outweighs the benefit from sending them directly to the merchant.

              There's a bazillion products to promote, and this damn the facts approach that there is only way to market, and that is with email, is in my opinion a major reason why a lot of affiliate marketers fail.

              How many people on this forum create a WordPress site like everyone, use a popular theme like everyone else, target the IM / Forex / dog / insurance / debt / popular niche like everyone else, use PLR / generic articles like everyone else (that are really crappy but for some reason they think are wonderful), try to rely on capturing email addresses like everyone else, and fall flat on their butt?

              All I'm saying is that approach is not the most profitable approach for every product. If you're on your butt, not making any money with the approach everyone else is using, do something else.

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              • Profile picture of the author heavysm
                God I hope i don't step on toes when i say this, but I didn't have an email list until i hit the 3 - 4k range monthly and consistently. I consider having a list just ONE part of my business and don't want to rely on it, literally being dependent on it.

                All of this effort is through Amazon, Clickbank and a handful of other individual programs. I could probably squeeze more $$ out of my list as it is, but what's the point if my other investments are paying off so I don't necessarily need to?

                **Really pushing for 2013 to be the 5 figure/monthly year
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                • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
                  Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

                  God I hope i don't step on toes when i say this, but I didn't have an email list until i hit the 3 - 4k range monthly and consistently. I consider having a list just ONE part of my business and don't want to rely on it, literally being dependent on it.

                  All of this effort is through Amazon, Clickbank and a handful of other individual programs. I could probably squeeze more $$ out of my list as it is, but what's the point if my other investments are paying off so I don't necessarily need to?

                  **Really pushing for 2013 to be the 5 figure/monthly year

                  That's awesome that you're making that much without a list. I've made that and more without a list, but I relied too much on Google for traffic and it's all come crashing down. If I'd had a list I wouldn't have to start over - again. Live and learn.

                  I'm basically restructuring my online business to look like my offline business. I contact people on a regular basis with good information, inject my personality into our communication to make myself unique, treat people like gold by listening to THEIR needs, not mine and get paid.

                  Don't rely on Google. I'm not trying to bring you down, but facts are facts. If you are, I promise you that you're sitting on a time bomb.

                  With the exception of a couple sites, I'm following what Alexa is doing now. She's built her business based on proven methods that have been working for others for years. It's slower going than I'd like right now, but I know for a fact that the foundation is being laid for businesses that will be stable for years to come.

                  I highly recommend that you take a look at how stable your assets are. There's nothing worse than receiving an email from Google stating that your Adwords account has been closed or waking up one morning to discover that ALL of your sites have fallen completely off the map and the majority of your income is gone.

                  That's happened to a lot of people here, including me. Many took it so hard that they quit IM altogether, from what I understand.

                  Don't build your business on quicksand. Start building and nurturing that list.

                  Just sayin'.

                  Good luck.

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                  • Profile picture of the author heavysm
                    I'm basically restructuring my online business to look like my offline business. I contact people on a regular basis with good information, inject my personality into our communication to make myself unique, treat people like gold by listening to THEIR needs, not mine and get paid.

                    Don't rely on Google. I'm not trying to bring you down, but facts are facts. If you are, I promise you that you're sitting on a time bomb.

                    With the exception of a couple sites, I'm following what Alexa is doing now. She's built her business based on proven methods that have been working for others for years. It's slower going than I'd like right now, but I know for a fact that the foundation is being laid for businesses that will be stable for years to come.

                    I highly recommend that you take a look at how stable your assets are. There's nothing worse than receiving an email from Google stating that your Adwords account has been closed or waking up one morning to discover that ALL of your sites have fallen completely off the map and the majority of your income is gone.

                    That's happened to a lot of people here, including me. Many took it so hard that they quit IM altogether, from what I understand.

                    Don't build your business on quicksand. Start building and nurturing that list.

                    Just sayin'.

                    Good luck.

                    Joe
                    My very first business back in 2009 failed completely (business built on hopes and dreams), so what i currently have IS my rebuilding attempt, and so far it's gone pretty well. My mailing list might be considered more of an emergency aid if anything should go wrong (Rarely any pitches, mostly highly informative posts = super high click through).

                    Though SEO is my primary, I get 60% of my traffic from other sources which basically makes up my link building efforts. Though it takes longer this tells you my links are made on traffic getting sites wrapped in content that makes visitors actually want to click. Now that's true SEO, organic search traffic along with traffic from my backlinks.
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              • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
                Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                How many people on this forum create a WordPress site like everyone, use a popular theme like everyone else, target the IM / Forex / dog / insurance / debt / popular niche like everyone else, use PLR / generic articles like everyone else (that are really crappy but for some reason they think are wonderful), try to rely on capturing email addresses like everyone else, and fall flat on their butt?
                In this example, I don't think email marketing was the source of problems. I spotted at least two glitches which can easily amount for disastrous open-rates and sales resulting from emails, namely very competitive niches paired with PLR/generic articles - that's a match not even match.com can make it work.

                And building a list of buyers is still list-building, if you think about it.
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            • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
              Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

              errr..no they don't.

              At least not to me...

              Well, I've bought like a Sh** ton from amazon, and I'm yet to receive a follow up email selling me something?..

              For example, I've had an Xbox, Monitors, frikking George Foreman Grill..I'm yet to see them upsell me via email to the next cool Xbox gadget or a George Foreman Accessory?..

              In fact the only emails I've ever gotten from Amazon is my receipt or S3 invoices...I dunno, I don't promote amazon anymore but, I've never seen Amazon do email marketing in the way your trying to say.

              Anyone else ever seen it?..

              Don't Amazon do all their upselling in cart?...maybe you have insider knowledge what with you equating to over 2% of amazon's Global sales, all on your little old self with your Article Syndication and all that...they must love you.

              Cor jeez..since you posted this, your about $3,000,000 richer aren't you?...
              Nor me and i've been an Amazon affiliate for years and it's as you say they try upselling in the cart but that's it they never try anything beyond that unless our joint experiences are unique, so have no clue what MYOB is on about it's factually inaccurate unless they've changed in the last few hours lol.

              "Cor jeez..since you posted this, your about $3,000,000 richer aren't you?..." He's much richer than that by now DM lol or maybe Sunday's a lower volume day in terms of sales. :rolleyes:
              I saw that thread that you're referring to and it's really embarassing but that's another matter. 24,000 sales a day if you believe that after you and Mr. Keith showed him up then we all need our heads looked at.

              However, I digress here. People like Joe Stewart etc. are totally right you need to build a list and not solely rely on Google traffic for example as if an algorithm change comes and your site's get affected then you're not left nowehere as you have follow up buyers/clients going forward so it's a must for any serious marketer no matter the niche they're operating in.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

              Well, I've bought like a Sh** ton from amazon, and I'm yet to receive a follow up email selling me something?..

              For example, I've had an Xbox, Monitors, frikking George Foreman Grill..I'm yet to see them upsell me via email to the next cool Xbox gadget or a George Foreman Accessory?..

              In fact the only emails I've ever gotten from Amazon is my receipt or S3 invoices...I dunno, I don't promote amazon anymore but, I've never seen Amazon do email marketing in the way your trying to say.

              Anyone else ever seen it?..

              This is what my subscribers have been telling me. Increasingly, people are signing up for Amazon's Prime membership, which offers free two-day shipping and other benefits. You're missing out on some really great deals and discount promotions. Sign up today; it's free for a one month trial and then just $79/year.
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              • Profile picture of the author Anton543
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                This is what my subscribers have been telling me. Increasingly, people are signing up for Amazon's Prime membership, which offers free two-day shipping and other benefits. You're missing out on some really great deals and discount promotions. Sign up today; it's free for a one month trial and then just $79/year.
                Here in the UK Amazon Prime has a next day delivery.

                I have noticed Amazon sends me details of local events rather than related products of previous purchases. I find that rather odd.
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            • Profile picture of the author zerofill
              Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post


              Anyone else ever seen it?..

              Don't Amazon do all their upselling in cart?...
              Yep that is the only way I have every seen them upsell on physical products.

              However I have had them try and sell me on other services via email.

              With me using s3 and ec2, they sent me basically upsells on SES etc... Soe would call them notifications, but they were pushing the usage of the new services hard. So I would consider that upselling.

              But I have never received an email from them on normal products.

              Newegg, on the other hand... They send me emails about twice a day. But I love Newegg, so I don't care lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author Anton543
            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            Be astonished then, although perhaps I am the one more astonished that such a myopic claim would be made that email marketing is required to promote as an affiliate.

            I have written, in several products, that the mindset of doing email marketing for most affiliate products is dead wrong and keeps many from making the money they should.

            Sure, for some products or niches email is fine.

            But, assume someone wants to buy a toaster and you have an affiliate website reviewing toasters. Are you really going to use a squeeze page to get a confirmed email address before providing information about toasters? Or are are you going to want to push that person to the most appropriate merchant and product as soon as possible?

            I make more than $5k from SEO and PPC and not a single email.

            Just because you are not making money using a certain method hardly means others cannot. Maybe you're promoting the wrong products. Possibly, your SEO and PPC would be better if you ditched the email.

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            I agree with you. To say people don't make money without a list is ridiculous. In fact, my impression is that most affiliates make their money off their sites and ppc. Many affiliate programs do not even allow email marketing to begin with, and many others allow or reject case by case. This alone would suggest most affiliate programs are run on non-email methods mostly.

            Also, just as you can lose rankings in Google, so can an email list become increasingly unresponsive. Remember an email list is one person's view and the list is buying based on that person's opinion but when people do a search for a product, they can read many reviews before buying.

            If I were to buy a $200 product, I wouldn't buy it just because I receive information for it through an email. If I am interested, I would do further research because $200 is good amount of money. But that's me. Maybe other people don't think the way I do and that's why they are able to make a lot of money from email marketing.
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            • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
              Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

              I agree with you. To say people don't make money without a list is ridiculous. In fact, my impression is that most affiliates make their money off their sites and ppc. Many affiliate programs do not even allow email marketing to begin with, and many others allow or reject case by case. This alone would suggest most affiliate programs are run on non-email methods mostly.

              Also, just as you can lose rankings in Google, so can an email list become increasingly unresponsive. Remember an email list is one person's view and the list is buying based on that person's opinion but when people do a search for a product, they can read many reviews before buying.

              If I were to buy a $200 product, I wouldn't buy it just because I receive information for it through an email. If I am interested, I would do further research because $200 is good amount of money. But that's me. Maybe other people don't think the way I do and that's why they are able to make a lot of money from email marketing.
              Yeah to say that people don't make money without a list is rediculous as I for one in my first year or so in IM never built a list and did quite nicely and I doubt i'm alone. I do think as time has gone on that it's a risky policy as you can lose that traffic overnight and believe me I have had just that happen to me in the past.

              You are correct on the point of the list potentially going unresponsive, but I guess if you've taken good care of them until now then you shouldn't worry too much about what happens to your Google traffic, whereas without a list, once you lose your traffic, it's gone so it's very different IMO.
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              • Profile picture of the author Anton543
                Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

                Yeah to say that people don't make money without a list is rediculous as I for one in my first year or so in IM never built a list and did quite nicely and I doubt i'm alone. I do think as time has gone on that it's a risky policy as you can lose that traffic overnight and believe me I have had just that happen to me in the past.

                You are correct on the point of the list potentially going unresponsive, but I guess if you've taken good care of them until now then you shouldn't worry too much about what happens to your Google traffic, whereas without a list, once you lose your traffic, it's gone so it's very different IMO.
                List building works well for IM and other closely related niches, and also informational content, but doesn't work so well with real products. That's the impression I am getting anyway.
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                • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
                  Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

                  List building works well for IM and other closely related niches, and also informational content, but doesn't work so well with real products. That's the impression I am getting anyway.
                  Your impression is misguided. Many of the people I know have moved away from IM because of all of the scammy products being put out, mistrust, FTC concerns, etc. There are people that are doing very well with lists outside of IM.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
                    Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

                    Your impression is misguided. Many of the people I know have moved away from IM because of all of the scammy products being put out, mistrust, FTC concerns, etc. There are people that are doing very well with lists outside of IM.

                    There are still a ton of people in IM doing very well. Reason being. It is easy to stand out from the offer mad affiliates out there and build solid relationships. Scams are out there and always have been.
                    Here is the IM template.
                    -Offer freebie
                    -Send them to an offer with a silly sales page that promises the moon.
                    -Silly newbie buys the great copy and shells out cash.
                    -The next day newbie buys next offer works on this one for 2 weeks because this guy is fight the gurus.
                    -They stop looking at emails for a week and work hard.
                    -Then the look at the emails just one time and.......... BANG new product purchased.
                    -Rinse and repeat.

                    The scam is not the process. The scam is that most people are to unaware of their own actions to stop the cycle. Most products say the same thing and the copy is along the same lines. This is how it works. My packaging is better than yours so they buy from me. Leaving the MMO niche is graduating in my eyes.
                    When you can sell to people in this niche. People in the dog walking niche are a cake walk. I am just sick of people saying scam. Traffic methods have changed, but the blueprint is still the same.
                    identify problem
                    agitate the wound
                    become a friend (relate)
                    suggest there is a solution
                    qualify your reputation and explain why you are the best.
                    add enemy (gurus)
                    Then pitch your solution.
                    add value
                    add value
                    add value
                    add value
                    add urgency
                    Call to action
                    Create more value and recap
                    Then call to action.
                    exit pop-up
                    Drop price and imply you are doing these people a favor.
                    one more exit pop-up
                    More value Maybe $1 trail and the sneaky old $37 monthly after that
                    Last lead capture exit pop-up offering freebie so they get on your list and you can get them next time.

                    This works in all niches at all times. Maybe a few changes here and there but that sums it up. They are not leaving. They are graduating and leaving IM to the next Gen it has happened before and it will happen again.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
                      Originally Posted by bilkat19 View Post

                      There are still a ton of people in IM doing very well. Reason being. It is easy to stand out from the offer mad affiliates out there and build solid relationships. Scams are out there and always have been.
                      Here is the IM template.
                      -Offer freebie
                      -Send them to an offer with a silly sales page that promises the moon.
                      -Silly newbie buys the great copy and shells out cash.
                      -The next day newbie buys next offer works on this one for 2 weeks because this guy is fight the gurus.
                      -They stop looking at emails for a week and work hard.
                      -Then the look at the emails just one time and.......... BANG new product purchased.
                      -Rinse and repeat.

                      The scam is not the process. The scam is that most people are to unaware of their own actions to stop the cycle. Most products say the same thing and the copy is along the same lines. This is how it works. My packaging is better than yours so they buy from me. Leaving the MMO niche is graduating in my eyes.
                      When you can sell to people in this niche. People in the dog walking niche are a cake walk. I am just sick of people saying scam. Traffic methods have changed, but the blueprint is still the same.
                      identify problem
                      agitate the wound
                      become a friend (relate)
                      suggest there is a solution
                      qualify your reputation and explain why you are the best.
                      add enemy (gurus)
                      Then pitch your solution.
                      add value
                      add value
                      add value
                      add value
                      add urgency
                      Call to action
                      Create more value and recap
                      Then call to action.
                      exit pop-up
                      Drop price and imply you are doing these people a favor.
                      one more exit pop-up
                      More value Maybe $1 trail and the sneaky old $37 monthly after that
                      Last lead capture exit pop-up offering freebie so they get on your list and you can get them next time.

                      This works in all niches at all times. Maybe a few changes here and there but that sums it up. They are not leaving. They are graduating and leaving IM to the next Gen it has happened before and it will happen again.
                      I hear you, Bill. I didn't say that "everyone" had left the IM niche. I'll always have an IM presence as well because I have over 25 years of marketing experience and I love it. My point was that there are a lot of people making a killing with lists outside of IM as well. That's all. :-)
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                      • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
                        Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

                        I hear you, Bill. I didn't say that "everyone" had left the IM niche. I'll always have an IM presence as well because I have over 25 years of marketing experience and I love it. My point was that there are a lot of people making a killing with lists outside of IM as well. That's all. :-)
                        Right. I think that the word scam tends to scare people and I wanted to point out that it is themselves and their actions they should be afraid of. They keep falling for what works and yet never seem to clue in that what they fall for is what they need to do
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                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                  Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

                  List building works well for IM and other closely related niches, and also informational content, but doesn't work so well with real products.
                  Hi Anton,

                  When you started off this thread called "Too Much Listbuilding Can Caused Blindness", I asked you whether you'd ever actually built a list, yourself.

                  I was naturally curious where your insights were coming from, because it seemed no time at all, before that, that you were asking for advice about building your first list and whether it was really necessary. And your experience seemed to be directly contrary to that of everyone I know, myself, in the industry.

                  Perhaps you didn't see my post? You certainly seemed to go uncharacteristically quiet, when I posted it, anyway.

                  So, here we are yet again.

                  Now you're saying that list-building "doesn't work so well with real products". Again, it's directly the opposite of my own experience and that of so many other experienced, successful Warriors (Amazon affiliates and many others) posting in so many of the threads in which you've made your comments about list-building.

                  So, I'm naturally eager to resolve the confusion, here, and to clarify your perspective, and the source of your insights into this subject, which you seem - again - anxious to convey to others. And for that reason, I'm asking you again: "Have you ever built a list, Anton?"
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        • Profile picture of the author pepelino
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I suppose I may be mistaken (though honestly I'd be astonished if I am, this time!) but I don't believe there'll be one single person here who's making $5,000+ per month from affiliate marketing without doing email marketing. I'm not even convinced there'll even be one single person making $1,000+ per month, that way. As a full-time affiliate marketer, I could barely earn anything at all without using email marketing.
          Not necessarily true, there must be guys who make more than that amount without email marketing. There are guys who create a 'Clickthrough landing page' for offers/niches that they don't really wanna start building lists for. I personally wouldn't do email marketing for all niches that i'm on..
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          • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
            Originally Posted by pepelino View Post

            Not necessarily true, there must be guys who make more than that amount without email marketing. There are guys who create a 'Clickthrough landing page' for offers/niches that they don't really wanna start building lists for. I personally wouldn't do email marketing for all niches that i'm on..
            For goodness sake of course it's not true, with just one average affiliate website in the MMO niche I was consistently making over $1,000 a month and that was just from one site before I sold it on.

            Then in a muscle building niche I was ranking on spots 1-3 for the main product term for a long time and was regualrly earning 4 figures a month. I won't bother going into more examples but as many people here know that statement above was totally inaccurate and a pretty sweeping statement from someone who either doesn't know or has never really tried.

            Either way I still firmly believe that the basic principle is correct which is that list building is the best way to go in building a solid and sustainable business. There's no getting away from that fact.
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          • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
            many people comment concentrate one niche and success move on another.

            so it take times.....even years to come ...even don't hardly can earn 5k per month

            i Mean a constant income...

            you see we are selling or affiliate others stuffs..

            all take times and some days ...surely don't have any sales even to weeks..

            this is how I feel...
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  • Profile picture of the author ayomyde
    The niche you are into really matters, what niche are you into?
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    I would imagine there are a quite a few people here that do $5K easily. And some of them post here quite regularly imparting their wisdom.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Micheal
    There are thousand of them that get more than $5000 per month from affiliate. To earn big, you must think big. Change your mindset and brave yourself to invest more to your affiliate business.
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  • Profile picture of the author CrisisCore08
    You have to understand,to earn 5K a month you will need to work on your website like a regular job,maybe even more.
    A lot of marketers are thinking the success on the internet is luck,successing here is nothing but luck.Work hard,work every day and you could make more then 5k a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author hassan007
    Thanks for the reply warriors... Now my question is that do u know anyone who offers one on one internet marketing coaching here? Because I really want to scale up my earnings using a combination of different methods...

    Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    I have a list with 60k customers fully targeted, so dont need to make much efforts for having my 3k to 5k a month. Anybody needs help with emails , contact or pm me!
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  • Profile picture of the author IulianP
    IS really bad that you are not building a list.

    You could earn at least twice more than you are earning now if you do it well
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    I make in the 2k range from a very small list and just keep making it bigger. There is a ton of people making over 5K. Lists are your traffic not Googles. It would stand to reason that traffic on demand is better than waiting for Google to Slap your living out of your hands. SEO is awesome for some, but those are the people who end up starting all over when Google gives them a slap. My review site is no where near as nice or content rich as the ones I compete with and I rank #1. Silly because I use tricks that work today. I don't rely on that money because they won't work tomorrow.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anton543
      Originally Posted by bilkat19 View Post

      I make in the 2k range from a very small list and just keep making it bigger. There is a ton of people making over 5K. Lists are your traffic not Googles. It would stand to reason that traffic on demand is better than waiting for Google to Slap your living out of your hands. SEO is awesome for some, but those are the people who end up starting all over when Google gives them a slap. My review site is no where near as nice or content rich as the ones I compete with and I rank #1. Silly because I use tricks that work today. I don't rely on that money because they won't work tomorrow.
      May I ask the size of your list, if you don't mind that is.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
        Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

        May I ask the size of your list, if you don't mind that is.
        1100 people. Mixture of affiliate marketing and my own products. I am currently funnel the affiliate list into my own products list. Way more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcozzens
    $5K a month is not hard if you integrate an offline approach with an online presence. For example, if you are in the making money online niche, I find it alot easier to put ads in magazines and papers to drive traffic to a squeeze page than it is to sell online to Internet savvy people. Here's why I speculate that it works so well. The people reading Small Business Opportunities are a slightly different group of people than people here on the Warrior Forum. I have found that the people looking at the magazines are for the most part - True Newbies.

    As an example: I have a fantastic eBook I give away at theultimatebusiness.net which describes in detail my offline approach. When I get traffic from offline methods, my opt-in rate is higher and I make more sales from the affiliate links within the eBook. Funny thing is, I recommend these products as valuable tools needed to do the offline business. BUT... when I give the eBook away on forums and blogs (like Warrior Forum) I find many people won't opt-in as they want an online business and are themselves Internet Savvy. They also don't buy much from the links within the eBook as they recognize them as affiliate links. I'm not sure why people go out of their way to avoid clicking on affiliate links as that's how we pay for providing free info, but whatever...

    Here's the interesting part: If the Internet Savvy people followed the advice in the eBook and linked that traffic with their opt-in and offers they would make a killing as this traffic, being Real Newbies is ripe for just about all the IM Affiliate Offers. Many of them never even heard of Clickbank.

    SO... Yes, with this method.... $5k / month is absolutely obtainable as the circulation of magazines is super high and you only need a 1" ad to produce good results.

    P.S. Everyone should be building a list as that is where the residual income comes from. You are also not appealing in the least to a JV if you have a small list.

    I hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      ..Now, what does that tell you?..
      Since she doesn't sell anything on that website, I assume it was a pretty good decision not to waste money on an autoresponder company when that money could be spent on something else.

      ($19 per month saved on Aweber, over the course of a year, could make for a decent pair of Loubotins, am I right, Alexa?)
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

        $19 per month saved on Aweber, over the course of a year, could make for a decent pair of Louboutins, am I right, Alexa?
        Nooooooo ... you won't find real Louboutins for $228 - only cheap knock-offs. But then again, my monthly Aweber subscription comes to a whole lot more than $19, I'm afraid.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    I have some lists in my few niches, but they aren't very lucrative because I'm not very good with e-mail marketing.

    I'm green at listbuilding and don't do too well at it. The lion's share of my earnings are straight off websites ... but I earn a significant portion from setting up private referral arrangements with local businesses where with SEO and PPC I generate $250 to $600 + commissions (some commissions include a % of the value of the new business so each commission differs). This business alone accounts for approximately $4 to $5K per month.

    I also promote a very niche software product that pays me a recurring commission. I've generated most sales via my websites, but have generated some sales via e-mail marketing. The recurring commission is now quite high and the churn rate is low so it's very stable income.

    I earn another few thousand each month from website affiliate sales - primarily in-depth reviews based on my use of products. Just look around your house and the software you use and you'll be amazed at the quality of reviews you can write that help people and sell products very well.

    I continue working on listbuilding because I believe it's a MUCH better long term strategy, but present cash flow needs require I continue with SEO which how I got into this IM thing in the first place. Over time I hope to move to a model more similar to Alexa's and MYOB's ... but I'm not proving to be very good at e-mail marketing while I tend to sell well directly off of my sites.

    My revenue stems from not very much traffic, but it is targeted. My content is thorough and based on using products. I receive emails from my sites from people who thank me for helping with their buying decision. Why I can't turn this into successful e-mail marketing (or at least take e-mail marketing alone to the 5 figure / mo. level) is beyond me. My point is my website content is decent and so it sells.

    I've invested a great deal of time and money in learning email marketing with little success. Part of me wants to scrap it and focus on building high-traffic authority sites that generate decent income and build lists as a complement (rather than the main model). However, another part of me recognizes relying solely on websites is short-sighted. Time will tell how my business develops. I'll definitely continue working with local businesses because that's been incredibly lucrative for me with very little effort and investment ... but is largely SEO-based incorporating some PPC.

    I write all of this because I know many people are in similar positions as me ... realize a list is important, but struggle with it and probably wish to just build out great sites and focus on revenue from those sites.

    If this is you, there's a blogger by the name of Mitz who publishes Lets Build Websites and Computer Tips who generates a lot of income directly from her sites. She builds lists (I'm on them), but doesn't promote via the lists at all except to send people back to her blog posts.

    I think if you are going to focus on listbuilding, it's incredibly important to build a brand and a true audience who cares what you have to say. This requires an incredible amount of work in the email sequence ... arguably more so than website content. I think Alexa is right when she discusses the "continuity" approach from freebie through e-mail sequence. This requires careful planning, excellent knowledge of your niche and attracting the right subscribers. All of this is more work than simply slamming up a squeeze page and blasting out emails.

    At the end of the day, regardless whether you focus on monetizing your website or earning via e-mail marketing, or both, it's important you promote only excellent offers that convert. I've generated the lion's share of my revenue from a handful of offers of products that I use (or have used) and that are high-quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    For those that asked about Amazon emails to customers with current offers, I get three different subjects.

    They happen to be in the niches that I have affiliate websites about. I have ordered from them before, they seem to track what I look at, which would include for my sites and myself and then I will get an email on their latest offers for _________.

    This is good, as I will sometimes look through and have a sales offer to put up on one of my sites.

    It just seems to tip the trigger when you look at enough "stuff".
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  • Profile picture of the author desultory
    5k that is my goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author reaboss
    i plan on reaching that target using you tube marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author JSL Publishing
    I'm working on that goal. I haven't hit it yet.. You make a great point get connected with affiliates. I'm on my way with quite a few affiliates. I know you need just a few big ones, but my question is How many do you have? More than 20, over 100? I'm just wondering

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    Originally Posted by hassan007 View Post

    Hi,
    Just curious to know that how many people around here are making 5K+ from selling affiliate products?

    I have done JV's and ran my own products, bought many WSO's and tried many new methods but my efforts didn't scored me 700$+ on average....

    So want to know about the people over here who are making 5k+ from affiliate marketing...

    Please: If you do earn please share your voice... I would appreciate this...
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    $5K is pretty easy with a few clients. You only need about 5 clients to hit $10K/month and that's with very minimal work.

    My income streams range from SEO for clients, coaching students, CPA, affiliate marketing & some email marketing. My growth areas for 2013 are CPA and FB marketing. I see them as the best return on investment but SEO for clients is my bread and butter.

    I don't like to limit my income from one source.
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  • Profile picture of the author Carlos Stratton
    Yes, I am making $7k+ per month with affiliate marketing.
    I must mention that affiliate marketing without a laser targeted email list is very hard. All my earnings come from my email list.
    When you have an email list, Just go to affiliate networks(W+, JVzoo...), Pick a high converting and related to your email list offer, Copy the swipe email which vendor provided and send it to your email list. After hours see commissions rolling to your paypal account. That's it!

    Making affiliate website and writing products review is also well but a little harder than making an email list.

    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author premz
    i m not earning that figure.
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