I Need The Help Of Serious Marketers!

by kkll78
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Hello. My name is Kevin and I have been struggling with the online game. First, I am not lazy and have great motivation. If you are a negative person, please do not reply. I am a father of 5 trying to create a second income. First, I want to build a residual income. I am tired of being scammed. I have lost over $15,000 on people who claim to help, but then leave you high and dry.

These are the things that I have tried on my own. I tried to create niche sites, but could never seem to get them ranked or get much traffic. I think that either I pick too competitive, or the wrong keywords. I have also tried to pick products from clickbank and market them with videos, but can never find my videos. I followed a WSO step by step and could not get my videos on the first page of google. I picked a niche, made the video, put the keywords in the title,description, sent some links to the videos, and nothing. Also, I tried to make a blog on a niche, and could not get much traffic to it. I have been putting in time and effort, but am very confused.
I AM NOT GIVING UP!!!! I really would like to make some money from my own blog, and some niche sites. I would then like to go into the IM niche once I get things worked out.

Honestly, I am looking for some help from the seasoned veterans for advice and help. I am not looking for SPOON FEEDING, but am looking for some help because of my lack of success.

I want whoever decides to comment on this or pm me to know that I am very eager and willing to work. I know that this takes time. I just need some advice. I feel like I am now on overload and spinning my wheels.

Honestly, I am willing to be a success story, or testimonial for anyone that wants to help me. I do not like asking for help, but am at the crossroads where I do not know what the heck I am doing wrong. Maybe my keyword research is wrong, I do not know.

For all those who decide to help me out THANK YOU and Happy Holidays!
To the Negative people, please move on because I have done work and am trying! Thanks Kevin.
#blogs #marketers #mentor #niche sites #serious #youtube
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    • Profile picture of the author kkll78
      Basically, I have lost this money over time. I lost it on people who said they would mentor me and then disappeared after they got the money. Then on people who claimed they would help me build niche sites. They would talk a great game, send a few basic emails, then off into space on me. They would not answer emails, or return calls. Its been rough.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
        Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

        Basically, I have lost this money over time. I lost it on people who said they would mentor me and then disappeared after they got the money. Then on people who claimed they would help me build niche sites. They would talk a great game, send a few basic emails, then off into space on me. They would not answer emails, or return calls. Its been rough.
        Sounds like you are chasing the 'magic bullet' all the time. Many on here have done that at some point although thankfully not to the tune of $15k. What you need to do is work out your strengths and what you like doing. There's plenty of free info on this very forum covering pretty much most online models. Read and digest.
        Do not buy/invest in anything else in the mean time.
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        • Profile picture of the author salmanijaz
          i agree with the other guys .... i myself have not earned a lot of money by IM yet but what i have learned during my 3 years in this area is that patience is the key to success .... you have to give everything its time to grow ....

          I have also done the same thing as you have done ... to look for some quick cash and used lots of WSOs but now i have settled down and working on a single thing for some time and i can see the difference ....

          The best thing will be to concentrate on a single thing and work on it for at least 6 months ..... you will start to see some results ....

          Best of luck ....
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      • Profile picture of the author preets
        You are right . I also lost approx $1000 in this process in last 7 months , however I am willing to work hard.We all have to learn from our mistakes.

        Preeti


        Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

        Basically, I have lost this money over time. I lost it on people who said they would mentor me and then disappeared after they got the money. Then on people who claimed they would help me build niche sites. They would talk a great game, send a few basic emails, then off into space on me. They would not answer emails, or return calls. Its been rough.
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  • Profile picture of the author ringer37
    I'd recommend taking a look at website flipping or email marketing, instead of focusing on building a blog/SEO'ing it for traffic. Don't get me wrong, that definitely works, I've made a lot of money from niche sites promoting clickbank products, but Google can at anytime squash your income if your sites stop ranking.

    I'm focusing more on email marketing now, because it's a a more stable income and you can build up a list very quickly if you have some money to spend on it. Website flipping is also good because you can flip sites within a few days and put money in your pocket.

    So if I were you, I'd put my time and effort into one of these things rather than the traditional "build a blog and get traffic" method. Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Curious as to what you spent that $15,000 on? That's a lot of money, sorry to hear you got scammed.

    You might be trying too many things but not seeing any of them through to conclusion. Just because something doesn't work straight away doesn't mean that it doesn't work at all. Things take time, results are rarely instant, you need to work on them.

    Ranking youtube videos in Google is relatively easy you just need to optimize then properly like you've mentioned and then point enough links at them though you may have been trying to rank overly difficult keywords with too much competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author CrisisCore08
    People are being scammed on daily bases,what did you bouth with 15,000$? it looks like a lot of money.
    Always before you buy anything make sure that you ask a lot of question,the marketers who are selling products are always happy to answer those question and avoid refunds.

    Note that unlike any other job on the internet you can hide and you don't have rules of atheics.anyone can sell anything for 1,000,000 on the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    You're planting seeds and then digging them up the next day wondering where the fruit is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Kevin... if you want to get into business with a real guy... with a real
    track record... with a real product... PM me... I'll be happy to help and,
    outside of product cost, it won't cost you a dime.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      Kevin... if you want to get into business with a real guy... with a real
      track record... with a real product... PM me... I'll be happy to help and,
      outside of product cost, it won't cost you a dime.
      Kevin,
      If I were you I'd jump on this generous offer.
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      • Profile picture of the author kkll78
        Hey are you serious because you know this guy, or are you being smart to see if will jump on the next thing. I am looking for real help. Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

          Hello. My name is Kevin and I have been struggling with the online game. First, I am not lazy and have great motivation. If you are a negative person, please do not reply.
          Welcome to the forum.

          FYI, this is a fairly public forum. You don't get to decide on what kinds of replies you get.

          What you perceive as negative may just be some truth you need to hear.



          I am a father of 5 trying to create a second income. First, I want to build a residual income. I am tired of being scammed. I have lost over $15,000 on people who claim to help, but then leave you high and dry.
          Warning - this is likely to sound very negative.

          That's nice that you're a father of five and all, but that was your choice.
          Maybe you've stated that for us to get to know you - or are we supposed to have some sympathy for you?

          Everyone has their challenges.

          It was also your choice to spend 15K. Can't verify you've been scammed. That word is thrown around by people who have no real idea what a scam really is. And at this point, it is history. It doesn't really matter where the money went as it's apparently gone. Perhaps the only thing you can do is analyze your decisions to spend the money, what you spent it on, and learn how to make wiser investments.

          Tell me, if you go to buy a TV from the store do you do any research first on the different brands out there? Do you go into the store knowing which TV will be best for you or do you simply walk in the store and look for what is on sale or what the sales person says you should get?


          These are the things that I have tried on my own. I tried to create niche sites, but could never seem to get them ranked or get much traffic. I think that either I pick too competitive, or the wrong keywords.
          You either "think" or you know. So which is it? Are they too competitive or are you choosing the wrong keywords?

          I think you actually know what you did wrong. But again, I don't know you or have all the details.

          Testing and tracking is how you find discrepancies in your sales funnels and then move on to how or if they can be fixed. Do you have detailed records of what you've done? Did you verify the niche you went into initially was a money niche? Did you have some kind of expertise in that niche? Do you know where the traffic came from that did get to the site? Did you know you don't even need to rank to get traffic?


          I have also tried to pick products from clickbank and market them with videos, but can never find my videos.
          You finding your videos is really not important. What matters is your target audience finding your videos. Again, the search engines are not the only place your audience will look.


          I followed a WSO step by step and could not get my videos on the first page of google. I picked a niche, made the video, put the keywords in the title,description, sent some links to the videos, and nothing. Also, I tried to make a blog on a niche, and could not get much traffic to it. I have been putting in time and effort, but am very confused.
          And you sent traffic to this blog how?


          I AM NOT GIVING UP!!!! I really would like to make some money from my own blog, and some niche sites. I would then like to go into the IM niche once I get things worked out.
          I see the "s" on the end of the word sites.

          You're first step is to pick just ONE and make one convert.
          What of value are you offering on your site that I'd want to trust you to click your links? Are you spending time connecting to your audience on a personal level? How many traffic sources did you test?


          Honestly, I am looking for some help from the seasoned veterans for advice and help. I am not looking for SPOON FEEDING, but am looking for some help because of my lack of success.

          I want whoever decides to comment on this or pm me to know that I am very eager and willing to work. I know that this takes time. I just need some advice. I feel like I am now on overload and spinning my wheels.


          Honestly, I am willing to be a success story, or testimonial for anyone that wants to help me. I do not like asking for help, but am at the crossroads where I do not know what the heck I am doing wrong. Maybe my keyword research is wrong, I do not know.
          So you are wanting FREE personalized guidance?
          I suggest you use the search box on this forum.
          Use it for answers, and while you're at it check out replies on threads for those who go looking for a coach or mentor.

          You've basically just walked into the TV store and you're letting the salesman tell you which TV to get - without having done some research first.

          Your issue is very obvious (to me) just by this one thread.

          I'd also be careful about those PM's coming in your inbox. Not going to say there are not any good intentions, but make sure you verify who is sending you private messages.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          are you serious
          Wake up! You asked for help and were offered help...from someone who has been here since 2003. Do you really think he'd bother to post an answer for one sale? That's probably the best offer you are going to get here.

          I'd also be careful about those PM's coming in your inbox. Not going to say there are not any good intentions, but make sure you verify who is sending you private messages.
          very true!
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  • Profile picture of the author Murphysmurfy
    Why did you invest $15,000 in mentors? Thats not just noobish.. that's just stupid!

    Read this forum, and you will get millions of dollars worth of knowledge.... you don't need someone holding your hand.

    TAKE ACTION BY YOURSELF!
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    • Profile picture of the author kkll78
      I was struggling, so I thought that the right mentoring would help me. I was thinking it would help me with my struggles.
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      • Profile picture of the author jbhappy15
        Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

        I was struggling, so I thought that the right mentoring would help me. I was thinking it would help me with my struggles.
        See guys? this is the fact that's why people buy products to the GURUS who offer products they claim that works.. You know before? SEO doesn't matter but it already exist without people knowing it because it was easy to earn money online back then!

        Today! Google implemented the changes with regards to SEO!!

        Try to read books from your local library, from 2000 till today.. All of them will tell the same as what those "GURUS" offer..

        You said you have a never say die attitude? I don't need to offer you anything.. Go back to the basics!! "WRITE FOR PEOPLE, NOT FOR BOTS"!!!! Hence do not focus on SEO, focus on making a community on your website... It helps big time... You said you tried different products right? I know you already knew what all of them are trying to say...

        Have faith, I'll pray for your success as well...
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        • Profile picture of the author kkll78
          I really appreciate all the information so far.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Originally Posted by SandyDuPlessis View Post

            Since I am the only one to state that I had sent the OP a PM at the time the above comment was made. I would like to clarify that I offered him a product AT NO COST and also offered to work with him at no cost. Nor did I ask for or expect to receive anything in return.
            Sandy,

            This is not directed at you or anyone specifically.

            There are ways people could take advantage of the OP - even by offering free help/products/advice.

            The other think the OP should know to look out for would be "Is this person really qualified to be giving me advice?"

            Again, I'm not saying you aren't - I'd have no clue or say in the matter.

            I do know for me personally it would be a waste of my time to be getting advice about niches or fields that I just have no interest in just for the sake of making some money.

            And it goes both ways. Neither you nor I personally know the OP or his ultimate intentions.


            Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

            I really appreciate all the information so far.
            Sandy above has offered/sent you something from what I can tell.

            You are still here.

            Shouldn't you be somewhere taking some action?

            The issue here is you don't have any direction. If you did, you'd have some very specific questions you'd be asking.

            You want serious marketers with serious advice?

            Perhaps you need to ask serious questions.

            To get, you're going to need to give a bit.

            I see mention above about CPA.

            Great. Big whoop.

            CPA, while a general direction is still a huge field.

            What do you know already about CPA? What is it you need to know that you are not able to research yourself?

            I would be skeptical about the serious help you will get, as your actions so far don't reflect you being serious enough about what you are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

    I have lost over $15,000 on people who claim to help, but then leave you high and dry.
    There are many internet marketers who lost even more then what you have lost yourself. When I got started, my first 5 years online "TRYING" to make money, I lost more then $10,000 so I feel your pain but the best advice I can give you is to not give up.


    Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

    I want to build a residual income.
    I know the moderators don't like me to post this but I am going to anyway since you said something about it. Yes, there are products on Clickbank that allows you to earn residual income but you will not earn more profits from the efforts of others. That is why I would look into network marketing online. Find a good and solid program that pays well and works for others.

    Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

    Honestly, I am willing to be a success story, or testimonial for anyone that wants to help me. I do not like asking for help, but am at the crossroads where I do not know what the heck I am doing wrong.
    PM me and I would love to help you out.


    Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

    You're planting seeds and then digging them up the next day wondering where the fruit is.
    That is a good way to say it. Kevin, you need to stick with one strategy and work it till it brings you a good amount of income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
    Well Kevin you now have 2 experienced guys willing to help you. Next step is yours to make..or not!
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    When you

    1) Ask for help and
    2) Announce you're a sucker who's already been found willing to part with $15,000

    ....what kind of results are you hoping for?
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    • Profile picture of the author talfighel
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      When you

      1) Ask for help and
      2) Announce you're a sucker who's already been found willing to part with $15,000

      ....what kind of results are you hoping for?
      It is OK to ask for help even though he lost all that money.

      I was in the same boat that he was so I know how he feels.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
        Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

        It is OK to ask for help even though he lost all that money.

        I was in the same boat that he was so I know how he feels.
        But you're a good man and unfortunately there are a few not so good men on here!
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        • Profile picture of the author DavidSaaf
          Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah View Post

          But you're a good man and unfortunately there are a few not so good men on here!
          Absolutely!! So be careful and follow your heart's desire IS key!
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    • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      When you

      1) Ask for help and
      2) Announce you're a sucker who's already been found willing to part with $15,000

      ....what kind of results are you hoping for?
      I wouldn't agree that he's a sucker.

      The OP would be a sucker if he gave up. The fact that he's still willing to grind after losing 15k means he's cool in my book.

      Bouncing from one idea to another is a recipe for disaster.

      Anyway: I'd recommend providing VALUE to a certain community.

      How?

      Make ONE site (not two, not three, ONE). Make it about something you know about or are willing to learn about.

      Then provide ridiculous value to your niche. Stuff that makes people say "holy crap this is incredible!".

      If you do that -- and work to get the word out -- you'll make money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dmarcotte
        Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post


        Bouncing from one idea to another is a recipe for disaster.

        Anyway: I'd recommend providing VALUE to a certain community.

        How?

        Make ONE site (not two, not three, ONE). Make it about something you know about or are willing to learn about.

        Then provide ridiculous value to your niche. Stuff that makes people say "holy crap this is incredible!".

        If you do that -- and work to get the word out -- you'll make money.

        This is great advice and I second it - It sounds like you have fallen victim to the shiny object syndrom - bouncing from one idea to another and never staying long enough to make it work.

        As for making residual income then one option is to create a membership product. This could be a website or a series of emails. Figure out what you are passionate about - identify a common problem within that passion - create a solution and then sell the solution.

        One example I have used myself (since i am a freelance writer anyway) was to create an ebook on helping parents help their kids do homework. I am a parent and every parent I have ever talked to has complained about this issue. Because I was already active in my kids school I was able to get recommendations from teachers and start making some sales. This is just one example of taking a real life problem and applying your own knowlege and existing networking.

        Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    To the above who think I am a sucker and their negativity, I can live with that because your comments have no affect on me. You are entitled to your own opinion. Some people can not resist who they are. Thats okay by me. These things just make me stronger and keep on trucking. TO ALL THOSE giving suggestions and help, I APPRECIATE and RESPECT the knowledge. I can see the true person through their comments. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Murphysmurfy
      Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

      To the above who think I am a sucker and their negativity, I can live with that because your comments have no affect on me. You are entitled to your own opinion. Some people can not resist who they are. Thats okay by me. These things just make me stronger and keep on trucking. TO ALL THOSE giving suggestions and help, I APPRECIATE and RESPECT the knowledge. I can see the true person through their comments. Thanks.
      I would reassess this ability you have, being that you lost 15 grand to liars...
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

      To the above who think I am a sucker and their negativity, I can live with that because your comments have no affect on me. You are entitled to your own opinion. Some people can not resist who they are. Thats okay by me. These things just make me stronger and keep on trucking. TO ALL THOSE giving suggestions and help, I APPRECIATE and RESPECT the knowledge. I can see the true person through their comments. Thanks.
      LOL. I'm the good guy man. I'm trying to scare you away from losing another $15,000 by being mean...

      Do you know what I personally think is the biggest b.s. comment in Internet Marketing?

      "It takes money to make money."

      Get out of that mentality. It doesn't cost much money at all to make a ton online. Just pick a tactic that works and stick with it until you net profit. Then scale up. That's the only thing anyone can do to make more money through IM.

      1) Experiment
      2) Evaluate
      3) Eliminate
      4) Concentrate on what works.

      If you do that, you WILL succeed no matter what.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I can see the true person through their comments.
        True - and it works both ways. You've been a member for a year and just began participating.

        You aren't a victim - you are a product of your own choices. Use this forum and the excellent info in it - and learn to make better decisions.

        Constructive comments may not be as fuzzy as you'd like - but you've followed the dreamweavers and where has that gotten you? Sometimes the best advice you can get is a reality check.

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  • I would change the tone of your request. You did not mention what you are good at or how you can help other people.

    Your story is far from unique. Many of the success stories have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars chasing success before they actually found their success.

    The best piece of advice that I would give you (from somebody who has made many of the mistakes that you have) is give up your complaints about the past and focus on how you can provide more value.

    I go to sleep asking myself -
    1. How can I be better tomorrow?
    2. What can I do more of tomorrow?
    3. What did I do great today?
    4. Who can I help?
    5. Where can I put more energy?

    If somebody screws me now, I let it sting a little bit but take the lessons and move on.

    Good luck and thanks for your courage in reaching out and asking for help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shubh Ashish
    Instead of looking for that Magic method to make money,start testing some CPA offers with traditional methods like PPC and PPV.You have already lost $15k.If you would have invested it testing various CPA offers,you would have got few high converting offers.Just have faith in yourself and take some action.Add me on skype.I'll be happy to help ya.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coolneter
    I don't know how long you've been in online marketing but i think
    you need more experience learning.

    Because at the very least you would have a good idea whether a certain method
    being promoted is something you could actually implement fully.

    Im sure that by now you've noticed that in most cases you need
    more resources to put into motion a lot of these methods being hawked
    around here.

    Good luck to you sir.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    I will not ask for money from him like others have but will give him the best advice I can. He can run with that advice or not. It all depends on him.
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  • Profile picture of the author mulesmurf
    What is the reason for mentioning "lost cash"? What purpose does that serve you?

    You also state you have lots of kids etc. What is the purpose of that statement???

    You signed up in 2011, so in 1 year you spent $15k or what is the story?

    I started in the 90's. I had no training, no software, no tools, no ebooks, nothing like that.

    But I asked myself...What do people want? What am I interested in? How can I find good stuff to deliver to the wanters?

    I made a decision on a type of product. Found a supplier, got a domain, made what is now called a "Landing Page". I called it my explanation page. I put the supplier links and ads on my info page. I bot the cheapest keywords, and many "weird ones"...that are now called "long tailed" keywords.

    Somehow I lucked out!

    The supplier had what people wanted. It was in relative short supply. The keywords were purchased at places like Miva.com, Overture.com, GoTo.com and I put the domain in all the directories and search engines. I then wrote pages about the product generally and specifically.

    Later I made a link directory with Zeus.

    I was always ahead of the game with this strategy.

    Point is, THINK FOR YOURSELF!

    Imagine in the offline world. You want to make some cash. Do you have to learn and be good at EVERY TYPE OF BUSINESS???? NOOOOOO!

    You just have to learn how to sell 1 thing! Get good at that!

    No one can start off selling everything! Sell 1 thing!

    Start small, do $50 of PPC. If it works, expand. If not find the problem!

    Good product in an area you have interest, plus web site and landing page, plus eyeballs.
    What else do you need to know? Just fill in the blanks dude!

    Don't make this hard, it is not.

    Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    you have tried a few things and have not had much success

    firstly that is completely normal so don't worry

    most people never succeed without quite a few failures under their belt

    99.9% of people that do well online have had more failures than they can probably count so don't think that you are alone, you are far from alone. There are probably hundreds of people reading this thread that are in the exact same position as you but just don't bother doing a thread about it

    There are lots of ways to make money online but if you are serious about creating a long term and stable income then you need to start treating it like a business and stop trying to make fast money

    I am now going to give you the recipe for success online in a simple guide:

    1. create an IM blog and document your entire journey (optional but highly recommended)
    2. create a quality free offer (around something you are good at, but niche has to be profitable)
    3. create a couple of weeks worth of follow up messages in your auto-responder
    4. send a mixture of plenty of good info along with the odd promotion of affiliate products
    5. market the hell out of your squeeze page and add it to your IM blog
    6. as you progress create your own product and sell it to your list
    7. create and sell more products and scale up from there

    this is pretty much all i have done

    it works, it's super profitable and you don't have to worry about the clowns over at google messing your rankings up every week which effects your income because you own a list and you have a rock solid business :-)

    hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Everybody thanks for the information so far.
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    Any input on cpa would also be helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

      Any input on cpa would also be helpful.
      Another seed?
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  • Profile picture of the author aizafini
    PM me, I will share my experience.
    I'm not expert and also lost few thousand before making money online.
    Everyone have learning phase.
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    PM me and/or add me on Skype.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rebeccha Haase
    I wonder why you have spent so much money :O. $15,000 is a big money. When I started my journey in IM, I hired a mentor to learn IM well. After attending the full course, I understood that these people are able to give you ideas only. None of them will be able to generate income for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author vickybabe
      The word "LOST" money is a really stupid saying in internet marketing. It is not as if it fell out of your credit card onto the ground somewhere. You "SPENT" that money on stupid crap by the sounds of it.

      I also have spent thousands of dollars on internet marketing "LEARNING".
      Imagine sending 15K worth of solo ads at a squeeze page with an awesome backend funnel. I would imagine at the very least you would have a pretty large list by now.

      The trick is to stick to one thing, we have all been there but the only person who can make you successful online is you.

      Do yourself a favour and build a list
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  • Profile picture of the author aceshigh888
    find a product or make one. Then mimick the sales letters or video sales letters you see on clickbank. The ones that are in the "marketplace" and that have high gravity.
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    So, you lost $15,000...

    That is pocket change compared to what I have spend on my education. I have spend way more and did not lose a single penny.

    It might help if you would look at this internet thing from a different angle:

    1. There is money to be made.

    2. You will not get rich overnight.

    This forum can give you a nice education and can help you build a business. It will cost money.

    If you go to a bar and get drunk it will cost money too. If you only look at the hangover you might consider it a loss. If you look at the fun and what you learned you will not worry too much about hangovers.

    Long story short: stop playing the victim and invest some money in your education. If you have not learned anything after investing $150,000 you might want to consider to buy a ticket to Vegas and feed them machines... you might get lucky.

    No, seriously, you can always learn something. Pay attention to how people get your money. Then see what you can offer...
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  • Profile picture of the author aceshigh888
    1) you need a website
    2) you need a product
    3) you need traffic

    You need to get good at a variety of marketing skills, alternatively you need to get good at outsourcing those to others who are good at them. Using sites like fiverr and others to get projects done if you don't have the skills to do them well yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandyDuPlessis
    I'd also be careful about those PM's coming in your inbox. Not going to say there are not any good intentions, but make sure you verify who is sending you private messages.
    Since I am the only one to state that I had sent the OP a PM at the time the above comment was made. I would like to clarify that I offered him a product AT NO COST and also offered to work with him at no cost. Nor did I ask for or expect to receive anything in return.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gozang
      Hi Kevin:
      I'm not really surprised to hear someone like you have spent that much money in your IM world. Not only you but there are many other people who have been in this field have spent some money too. It's our journey of online world and everybody has traveled some distance in this journey and not every has reached their destination yet.

      I'm also happy to hear that you are not giving up but seeking help which is good. Some of the veterans who have been in your shoes before are willing to help you.

      I would also like to thank yo for bringing this awesome thread here. People can definitely learn lots of things only from this thread. It's really good to know that there are people who are willing to help.
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    • Profile picture of the author gigiswealth
      Sandy, you are so awesome for doing that. I believe you're going to have great success for have such a giving heart. God bless you.

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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Thanks Sandy. I was looking for people like yourself. Not all the flak and negativity in the pms and comments. For those making the comments, I have tried to invest in my education and I did with people who just prey on new IMers. I thought I was investing in my education to learn some skills, only to be left in the dark. I am open to anyone who wants to help or make a difference. Thank you once again to all who have given me advice so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author talfighel
      Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

      Thanks Sandy. I was looking for people like yourself. Not all the flak and negativity in the pms and comments. For those making the comments, I have tried to invest in my education and I did with people who just prey on new IMers. I thought I was investing in my education to learn some skills, only to be left in the dark. I am open to anyone who wants to help or make a difference. Thank you once again to all who have given me advice so far.
      From our emails back and forth, I would have to say that you should stick with one strategy and never give up on it. I was like you. I would jump from one program to the next looking for the gold nugget.

      We were talking about a program called Empower Network. I am not sure if you are still in it or not but if you were to just stick with them and take action, even though your mentor was not helping you a whole lot, you can still do well with them.

      If so many others are having great success, so can you. They are not better then you. You are a smart person and can do well.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Thanks to all so far for the help. Thanks to Sandy too.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    That's a lot of money man! You should look into creating your own product and then selling it. Feel free to add me on Skype if you want some more info, I'll add you to a Skype group where we mastermind about product creation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin
      Maybe you're too busy trying to keep busy and/or take shortcuts.


      What I mean is you have to sit back every once in a while and just think about the big picture.

      You've asked the first question: How do I make money?

      Then you were given the answer: niche sites.

      On its own, that's almost the same as someone telling you "start a lemonade stand". Go further:

      Niche site = targeted buyers market + traffic + conversions

      And of course the whole idea relies on SEO. It sounds like you haven't done much with regards to SEO, but you're disappointed niche sites "did not work"...

      It's ok to abandon plans and ideas if you can't do them. Everyone should play to their strengths, but surely you could TRY to SEO the niche sites? Every make-money idea has a tough part, unless you're scamming or abusing loopholes.

      There are so many SEO products and link builders with free trials, why not give some a go? Maybe join a forum that specializes in SEO like SEOsUnite?

      For what it's worth, the easiest ways to make money are:

      1. Article writing (using a "head start" system like WordAI)
      2. Niche sites based on product names (low competition SEO)
      3. Creating an email list through content locking. This can be done through Facebook if you suck at SEO. Stay away from the internet marketing niche for this one!
      Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    Ok I hate to say this, but nobody gave me a thing when I posted these types of silly threads. Look you spent money because you were; maybe still are acting out of desperation. Spending all kinds of money on all kinds of products. I was there I bought a ton of these things and wasted hours and dollars. The main reason..... I wanted a button.
    The wasting of money stopped when I got an expensive coach and started working instead of buying.

    "Marketers sell products and leads buy products"


    I searched out the warrior forum for all the free stuff I could find that would help me build my business. I spent and still spend hours on changing my mindset from lack to abundance. My sound cliche, but it works. Successes don't get hand outs because they have a dream. Help finds them when the commit to and take constant daily action towards their goals.
    Free coaching is a silly thing to offer or ask for in a market place where these items are sold. Want help..... Type in coaching in the search bar and find out what happens. Unsub from all the junk (sorry everyone) in your inbox and pick a direction and follow it until you make some money. Then move on. Simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author draede
    Mr. Kevin!

    Here's your issue: "These are the things that I have tried".
    That sentence is what is killing you. PICK ONE THING AND STICK WITH IT

    I also suggest the following: Learn Copywriting, and watch this YouTube video with Frank Kern, John Reese, and Tony Robbins talking about why most people fail, (Has to do with the "Prove it to me before I'll do any work" mentality)
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    This thread encompasses what I believe to be one of your major problems:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-business.html

    In a nutshell, you've got to start with thinking about the value you're providing to others, not how to make money.

    -Daniel
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    I guess Kevin didn't really want my help or advice...
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    • Profile picture of the author kkll78
      Tsnyder I pmed you, but no response back?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

        Tsnyder I pmed you, but no response back?
        I just got your second PM... I responded to the first... must be
        some gremlins in the system... lol. Let me know if you get this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

    For all those who decide to help me out THANK YOU and Happy Holidays!
    To the Negative people, please move on because I have done work and am trying! Thanks Kevin.
    Nice post Kevin, should generate a lot of ideas.

    What you could consider is setting up your own private blog network and then sell article researching, writing and posting to your blog network as a service.

    There's lots of businesses out there who have cash, but no time to promote themselves online through articles and press releases.

    The steps I would take would be:

    1. Pick an industry or niche that you have knowledge in and/or enjoy
    2. Buy some old domains or new domains. Look for godaddy discount codes in Google to get them at a discount
    3. Build some nice-looking web sites on those domains and add a bit of unique content related to the industry or niche
    4. Slowly build the Page Rank of those domains through blog commenting, article marketing and other SEO link-building methods
    5. Sell your online promotion service (ideally as a monthly subscription), to local businesses in that industry or niche.

    The hard work is in steps 4 and 5. The great thing is that you have good writing skills and a sense of purpose and motivation.

    To set up 10 sites including decent web hosting should cost you less than $250 for the first year. Start with 10 and see how it goes.

    Go for it and good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    You have to prove that you can be trusted and that your work is really helpful. You have to work a lot until you’ll manage to convince the public that you are an expert in your field, and beat your competitors.

    Building trust takes time. This is why you have to be consistent and persistent. You also have to be elastic and learn how to market your products.

    Outsourcing is good, but also dangerous because you cannot just trust anyone. Be careful with the people you hire.

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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Clever7, can you give any advice on good outsourcers?
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  • Profile picture of the author easyincomeguide
    I have started working from 4 years ago in internet marketing for extra income. Like most of you I spend a lot but got nothing. Finally I realized the reality. This business is nothing like a shop. In whatever niche you are working for you need customer, i.e traffic or leads select the right products that is truly profitable and working marketing system.

    There is no push button system, if it's like that; it's nothing but scam. You have to work consistently and leave your comfort zone.

    I agreed what most of the warriors believe that you should stick on one niche but that should be right one which really suitable niche for you to earn.
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  • Profile picture of the author wonderfullife
    This forum is a good place to learn. You can search for the post. If there is no results for you, I think you can ask Warrior for help.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlundy1
    Don't waste your Time Going after SEO-profit, just get on your feet first with income flowing. "Paid Traffic" is your alley. They Guarantee Traffic... just make sure your landing page is "Convert-able"
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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Hey everybody! I appreciate all the input.
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  • Profile picture of the author danbcaut
    In 2001, I started by focusing on list building and email marketing. Back then everyone published their own version of an "ezine. I'm still focused on list building and email marketing. Some "experts" say that email marketing is dead. If that were so, I would not be doing it. I have some blogs but I don't obsess on adding new content regularly. I have never chased Google rankings or SEO, and I've paid for very little traffic over the years. I have no business debt - my business growth has been self-financing almost since day one. Since August 2002, 100% of my income has been derived from the Internet. I work about 15 hours a week (if it can be called work) take naps and goof off the rest of the time.

    If I can be of further service, don't hesitate.
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  • Profile picture of the author rossm
    I think the main issues you have is getting traffic quickly and at the correct price. SEO, link building and blogging all takes time and it can be ages before you get decent results.

    Also with you tube, no one can't post a video on it and expect it to get views immediately. Google, which owns you tube, has a ranking system which shows the most relevent vids to the search term. The videos which show up on the first page will have had some SEO done to them, backlinks etc to make them rank higher.

    In order to succeed, you need to:

    1. Build a squeeze page, capture your leads and give away something of value, a free ebook. The ebook must be on the subject matter surrounding the product you will eventually promote. This is the beginning of the relationship building stage with your subscribers.
    2. Set up auto responders, offering great content and advice. This enhances your reputation and further builds your relationship with your list. After several auto responders, introduce a product which solves the subscribers problem. You earn commission.
    3. Drive targeted, affordable traffic to your squeeze page, ie facebook ads, PPV traffic, solo ads. Place ads in newspapers with a link to your squeeze page, you'd be surprised how well this can work!

    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author BeauJustin
    Originally Posted by kkll78 View Post

    Hello. My name is Kevin and I have been struggling with the online game. First, I am not lazy and have great motivation. If you are a negative person, please do not reply. I am a father of 5 trying to create a second income. First, I want to build a residual income. I am tired of being scammed. I have lost over $15,000 on people who claim to help, but then leave you high and dry.... .... .....
    It took me four years bro, FOUR YEARS, to see a penny of profit. You've got
    the first ingredient, which is persistence, but you have to:

    1. FOCUS on ONE product, and ONE business model UNTIL it makes a profit,
    no matter how long it takes. Set a small goal like $15/day, and don't do
    anything else until you get there.

    2. Consider alternate sources of traffic, especially paid traffic. Seek out legit
    courses - not schemes and plans to make $XX,XXX/day - but legit training
    now how to use paid sources effectively.

    I have personally had success with adwords, Yahoo/Bing, Facebook ads,
    7Search, StumbleUpon, Reddit and a few others.

    $10K spent on adwords in a low comp niche could have brought you tens of
    thousands of clicks from targeted traffic, instead of the long haul approach of
    SEO. Nothing against SEO, but as Google gets pickier, so does the game.

    Anyway, hang in there bro, at the same time, there's no shame in admitting
    that something isn't right for you. If you truly love THE GAME keep going. If
    you're just in it for the money then maybe consider looking elsewhere.
    Money is a lousy motivator, and there are better "sure things" out there.

    Good luck man!
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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Once again the information keeps coming and gives me more confidence. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author franktwin
    I sent you a PM, I could probably help you..
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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    Thanks to all who have contributed. This is becoming a nice thread for advice and sharing. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkll78
    franktwin, I never got a pm from you
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  • Profile picture of the author SurrealPSD
    That's more than enough info now OP.. So what you gonna do?
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