YOU Choose Your Customers

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Hi Warriors,

Ok, the other thread about feeling sorry for WSO sellers is closed, but I still wanted to comment:

YOU choose your customers. Period.

I really "get" what the others were saying about rude, demanding, unreasonable customers with an entitlement mentality. I've done call center customer service work for 10 years and have dealt with these types of customers on a daily basis for all of those 10 years. (It's been a LONG 10 years. )

Unfortunately, as an employee, I had no choice but to deal with them, however rude, unreasonable, demanding, etc. they were. It's left a very bad taste in my mouth and little (VERY little) respect for customers in general. (The customer is NOT always right. But that's another story...) My pet peeves are customers who treat me like I'm incompetent at my job and customers who flat out lie to me.

All of the complaints, comments, etc. about WSO buyers are exactly why I refuse to sell to Warriors in general. If someone finds me OFF of the Warrior forum and is willing to treat their business like a business (and pay normal prices without complaint), then I'll deal with them. Otherwise, forget it.

So when I created my business, I deliberately structured it in a way to avoid almost all of the headaches people were mentioning in that thread. The biggest choice I made was my choice of customer. I won't deal with Warriors in general or people like them (Average Joe Beerbelly) who are trying to figure out how to make money online from their jammies but have NO CLUE what it really takes to run a business (and aren't willing to learn).

1. I deliberately chose OFFLINE clients with already established businesses who need online marketing help. Even if they're really just getting started, they understand they must invest in their business.

Except for my $20 book, my lowest-ticket item is $200 and it's an easy sale. Everything else is higher than that. (Believe me, $200 is NOTHING in the scheme of actually building a business.)

2. That $200 product (a membership) is a combination of physical and digital products. While someone COULD post the digital portion of the membership on other sites illegally, it's not very likely given my target market. And quite frankly, even if they do, it's not worth my time to worry about it. 1): Those digital products are only half of the membership and are incomplete without the rest of the membership package. 2): Those digital products are a small portion of all of my offerings. The rest is a combination of physical products and services.

3. Like any good business person, I know how important good customer service is and that some refunds are just a part of doing business. I don't have a problem with that. Frankly, in the beginning stages of my business, I'm less worried about losing the money in a refund than about they fact that they didn't like/weren't satisfied with what I offered.

I've taken a long-term view of my business and even though every penny counts, I'm really less concerned with the actual $200 of my base product than about the fact that my customers like it and are satisfied with it and want to stick around.

4. I will NOT tolerate a rude, demanding customer/member/client with an entitlement mentality. I've dealt with it way too much in my customer service day jobs and will NOT tolerate it in my business. I've suffered a LOT of abuse as a customer service rep and won't put up with it in my biz.

As someone else mentioned, customers are important to our businesses. It's why we're in business in the first place. But I don't need any ONE single customer. The instant a customer/member/client gets rude and demanding, I'll refund them and ban them, period. I won't be too quick to do it, but I will NOT be abused.

5. Different businesses require different customer expectations and support. A software product will require more support than say, an information course that's a notebook and some CDs and DVDs.

I deliberately chose a business model that requires very little hand holding at the base level, which is virtually NO customer support required other than to see that they got their initial membership package in the mail.

My next steps in the funnel are information products (which require minimal customer service support) and then coaching/consulting at the bottom, which obviously requires more support, but I can charge accordingly.

Bottom line: Choose your business wisely and set boundaries!

Know what you're getting into (as much as possible anyway) and clearly set boundaries and expectations from the beginning. This will go a LONG way towards avoiding difficult customers and excessive refund demands.

Paul Meyers, Kindsvater, etc. were spot on in their comments.

Cory Greer is dead wrong in his comments about being available all the time to his customers. Although actually, I think this is more of a miscommunication issue than anything else. Customers and clients WILL run you ragged with unreasonable demands if you let them. I saw it all the time my in my customer service day jobs. Clients/customers WILL expect service on Christmas Day, same-day service, unlimited help/support 24/7 for free, etc. if you don't set boundaries from the beginning.

Boundaries are important.

I've signed contracts (for $7K and $1500 respectively) with my mentor which specified that no refunds would be given for any reason. She's not cheap, but she offers some of the best stuff out there. And the clients she attracts (my colleagues) are some of the finest business women I know. We've all paid multiple thousands of dollars to her and I simply cannot imagine any of them demanding a refund unless it was a dire "my-house-burned-down-and-my-hubby's-in-the-hospital" kind of reason.

As Dan Kennedy says to business owners who complain about their customers, "Who brought them there?"

Point well taken.

Warriors like to complain about "gurus" and often trash their applications, claims to need to "work with only a select few", etc. Too many think it's just another sales gimmick or scam.

It's not. The need to screen your clients or take only certain clients is very real, as many have discovered.

Michelle
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  • Profile picture of the author BigGameHunter
    That was well said Michelle

    I have been a real estate investor for over 30 years. I never understood the mentality on this forum and IM in general of how a business is suppose to be run. If you treat your business like a hobby you won't make it.

    I screen tenants. Check their credit report, call their employer, call the current landlord, call my landlord buddies to see if they know the applicant. Because I do this I don't get the calls at the beginning of the month about the rent going to be late. You can't take the flake out of flakes. My rule number 1.... Don't deal with flakes.

    Customer support is not an issue. Life is wonderful.

    Rich Schfren talks in detail about the quality of traffic we seek. If you don't understand this concept, then it would be in your best interest to research it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      I'm glad to see someone else who really "gets it" too. Too many Warriors don't.

      I still have a customer service day job and had "one of those" kinds of customers tonight. Grrr! Worse, she was a doctor! (She made a point of letting me know she was a physician 3-4 times in the first 5-7 minutes of the call. Can you say EGO?)

      She was exceptionally rude (which is saying something since most of my customers are rude.) I do tech support, troubleshooting phone, TV, and Internet problems. Her TV and Internet were out. When I asked if her phone was also out (to clarify), she got snippy. "I'm calling you on it aren't I?" (How would I know??? I don't have caller ID and the majority of my customers call from their cell phone.) And yes, it makes a difference in how I troubleshoot the issue. I'm not asking to hear myself talk. I can't assume anything.

      Then, in the midst of my questions, she literally asked to be be transferred to someone who was competent. Grrr!

      For a degreed physician, she's not too bright. (I wanted to tell her that too, but bit my tongue.)

      I'm not a physician, but I graduated college too. And many, many people work low-paying day jobs while going to school or building a business. Just because I work a customer service job doesn't mean I can't get another (better) job, or I'm not smart enough or ambitious enough to do something else. Actually, my ambition outstrips anything my employer could possibly give me.

      Grrrr! It's truly difficult to work a low-level abusive day job where you're truly micro-managed every day and then shift gears into high-level CEO mindsets with sole responsibility for an entire company, even if it's embryonic.

      So, yes, definitely choose your customers wisely. And as a consumer, beware of abusing even low-level customer service reps. You may have no idea how ridiculous you truly look since they may well be working on a second degree or business and be a lot smarter than you think.

      Michelle
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Michelle, I once heard someone claim that anyone who doesn't believe time slows down never shared a non-stop flight with a screaming baby. I can only imagine (shudder!) what it must be like when the screaming baby is old enough to want tech support.

        I'll cut your doctor a little slack, because many of them spend their working time in an environment trained to treat them like demigods, and they can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't do likewise.

        Beyond that, I agree with you. I've never offered a WSO, and have no plans to ever do so, so I never opened that other thread. Might have to sneak a peek later...
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  • Profile picture of the author BigGameHunter
    I believe everyone should work a job they absolutely hate. This builds motivation to do something better.

    “Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.”
    Henry David Thoreau

    If you don't want this to happen to you... the first thing you will do is stop financing depreciating assets (Fancy cars, trucks, furniture etc). The second thing you will do is cut your living expenses to the bone. Then you should work as hard as you can to buy your freedom. What do I mean by freedom?

    Start small... one website making $30 a day. This is $900 a month. Even if it takes you a year to accomplish this it will be like hitting the lottery.

    For example: If you bought a single family home that produced this income it would cost you roughly $90,000. Homes generally produce 1% of their value monthly in rent. You can't run an investment property portfolio like a hobby why would you run an IM business like one?

    If you cut your living expenses to the bone had about 4 of these sites you just bought your freedom at a fraction of the cost of real estate.

    The thing that is amazing to me is people believe they can start with no income, no cash and become rich in 30 days or less and complain like hell if your product doesn't put the money in the bank for them on autopilot. If your one of these people... I have several bridges for sale.

    Learn fundamental investing principles. Apply those to internet marketing and you will find success. Ignore them and you run the risk (high probability) of failure.

    I have a couple of young men helping on the farm today that knows everything about everything. I don't bother to tell them anything because their ears don't work... and they won't listen. I let them cut and split firewood that I mark up and sell. Hopefully, in the near future they will get some motivation and want for more. If they do I will help them get off the bottom. If they don't I will continue to profit.

    Same here. If a customer comes along and they want to listen I will do what I can to help. If their ears don't work I would rather feed the chickens than deal with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author clintmyers
    I think most people are just frustrated because it is not as easy as the guru's proclaim. Then people believe it should be easy. I think someone could take a bad customer and turn them around by educating them about how the real world works.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by clintmyers View Post

      I think most people are just frustrated because it is not as easy as the guru's proclaim. Then people believe it should be easy. I think someone could take a bad customer and turn them around by educating them about how the real world works.
      I hate to break it to you, Clint, but the customers who cause the biggest problems aren't interested in the real world. They're only interested in their world, where they are the center of the universe and want everything to be exactly as they think it should be.

      And it has nothing to do with "gurus" - the phenomenon exists outside this little IM microcosm. Some people are just assholes, and life is too short to deal with them if you don't have to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

    (The customer is NOT always right. But that's another story...)
    I think you've perhaps misinterpreted the meaning of that, but you'd be forgiven for the fact that it's not worded into the correct context.

    This is how the line should read:

    "Making a customer satisfied in thinking they are always right can often make that person a better customer"

    ....though granted, sometimes that certainly won't always be true neither!

    It's just happens to ring more true that the initial verson!
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    • Profile picture of the author BigGameHunter
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      I think you've perhaps misinterpreted the meaning of that, but you'd be forgiven for the fact that it's not worded into the correct context.

      This is how the line should read:

      "Making a customer satisfied in thinking they are always right can often make that person a better customer"

      ....though granted, sometimes that certainly won't always be true neither!

      It's just happens to ring more true that the initial verson!
      The customer is always right... what a bunch of baloney.
      I have paid a lot of mentors over my life time to teach me things. There were no guarantees or a refund policy.

      NEVER did any of them make me believe I was right when I didn't know what I was talking about. If I didn't know what I was talking about they chewed me up when I said or did something wrong.

      One mentor of mine Al, would cuss me into a knot if I did something wrong or made a statement that was incorrect. At the time I had 5 children, a live in maid for the children and lived in a very nice home on the water. I took his rants because I needed the knowledge he had and he was the best at what he did.

      This takes discipline and a desire to accomplish something. Moreover, Al was very good at what he did, didn't need my money and wasn't going to have his lights shut off if he didn't take me as a customer. This is the key!

      He was a kindergarten teacher compared to coaches I had in school and didn't get close to ruffling my feathers compared to my father.

      If a customer comes to you and wants what you have... You have to make sure there serious. There has to be motivational tests and they have to pass or they don't get through the DMZ.

      Most people wouldn't stand for his teaching methods.
      Most people are broke.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Obviously an educational setting is another realm entirely...

        The student is taking part to learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    it always blew me away how anyone could deal with running a wso..

    just reading the comments on them, and the demands some people have, blows me away.

    Too many people expect you to sit on your computer and monitor the thread for 72 hours straight. Heaven forbid the person tries to sleep! All for something catering to lowest price-point market?? no thanks.

    I learned this from Dan Kennedy: "Fire your customer" .

    I think Paul Myers is an excellent example of someone who has identified his model customer/reader, and filters out those who don't match.. if you're ADD/ADHD, if you don't enjoy consuming content, if you can't cast an analytical eye to something, if you're averse to using your brain - then you won't be reading his emails, which means he'll probably keep you out of his sales funnel
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