Is it still worth trying?...

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Hi everyone! Happy New Year!

I'd like to hear the thoughts of warriors who had been succesfull on this...

I've been trying on and off since 2009 to make money on internet but never succeeded...The only thing I haven't really tried yet is to get a coach or mentor because of the high fees.

I am still very interested in making this happened but I'm getting desperate and starting having trouble at home because of this. My husband thinks I'm crazy to think I could make an income from internet marketing and that I'm wasting time and money.

I really want to prove him wrong but i'm about to loose faith!

Please tell me how you would start this new year IM wise!

Thanks a lot!

Audray
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  • Profile picture of the author GailTrahd
    Hi Audray - I can almost feel your frustration! I don't know what you've done or tried but it looks like you a member of the war room and have access to the information from marketers there. That is always a good place to start.

    If I were starting over I would spend time writing down my passions and my skills. Then investigate the multiple ways that you can market your products or services online. Because, IM is nothing more than marketing products and services using the Internet as a vehicle of communication.

    Focus of creating a product or service or value to others and then on one or two traffic strategies. Master those and move to another one. Do NOT get distracted by Shiny Object Syndrome (SOS!) and purchase every product that promises to deliver thousands of dollars into your account with just a few clicks of the mouse.

    Making money marketing your products online may not be a job but it does take work. Invest in yourself, stay focused and committed.

    It is general advise but without placing my personal desires and focus on your life it is difficult to go further.
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    • It looks like the only thing I'm good at is collecting tons of wsos, starting a lot of different projects and abandonning them because of lack of money or technical issues or because I just discovered the next new shining object...
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      • Profile picture of the author talfighel
        Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

        I just discovered the next new shining object...
        That is your big problem right there.

        You need to focus on one strategy and work it till you make some money. Only then can you try other things.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

        It looks like the only thing I'm good at is collecting tons of wsos, starting a lot of different projects and abandonning them because of lack of money or technical issues or because I just discovered the next new shining object...
        That's likely why you haven't been successful. You really need to pick one thing and ride it out. Persistence is an asset in this business.
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        • Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          That's likely why you haven't been successful. You really need to pick one thing and ride it out. Persistence is an asset in this business.
          I totally agree!
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

        It looks like the only thing I'm good at is collecting tons of wsos, starting a lot of different projects and abandonning them because of lack of money or technical issues or because I just discovered the next new shining object...
        You need to stop buying WSOs and start learning to build a real business online if you want to be successful. Shiny objects don't make money. They drain you of money.

        You have to do the research and decide what kind of business you want and then learn what you need to do to get it launched. It will take time, hard work and focus. There are no magic buttons and WSOs with big income claims generally don't work for most people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kingshouse
        Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

        It looks like the only thing I'm good at is collecting tons of wsos, starting a lot of different projects and abandonning them because of lack of money or technical issues or because I just discovered the next new shining object...
        Happy New Year!

        Permit me to just jump in here...

        Here is my take on this.

        You've bought ome wso's for a reason. You believed they would help you achieve whatever your online goal is.

        Now I also believe that there is a common thread there meaning you buy certain wso's and not others. This could now be considered your are of interest.

        That being so why not just find out who is successful in this area and larn the EXACT steps they have used to get what you want.

        I do not necessarily mean coaching but it would be great if you could find a coach/mentor.
        Someone who has successfully done what you are trying to do

        You could also do research to find out what you need.
        List all the steps you would need to take to achieve your goal
        Work out a schedule to DO THEM. ne by one.

        Sat there are 52 steps altogether, you could simply do one a week and in a year you would be done. No more shiny objects.

        Now how would that feel?

        You could take a shorter time to get there say 6 months. Thing is once you are done you are done.

        Find the steps to get to your goal AND
        Work the steps (step by step)

        Once you have the steps and are doing them daily, monthly ....you will be kept busy doing the steps...daily or monthly and less distraction from the shiny stuff ;-).


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        As long as you are going from one thing or shiny object to another you will more than likely continue to do so and this time next year you'll be no better off.

        I think you have been brave enough to state what you have on the forum I truly believe you can do it.

        I hope this helps.

        All the very best for 2013

        Will D
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
        Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

        It looks like the only thing I'm good at is collecting tons of wsos, starting a lot of different projects and abandonning them because of lack of money or technical issues or because I just discovered the next new shining object...
        Audray, it seems to me that most people are, understandably, focusing on the 'collecting WSOs' and 'shiny new things' part of your statement and missing the obvious.

        Success in Internet marketing - in my experience - comes to people who stick at 'technical issues' until they have solved them. That solution can be to work it out for yourself, or to pay someone else to work it out for you, but by and large working it out for yourself is preferable. At least the first time.

        Internet marketing is not difficult, but success is made up of a mastering a very long list of small skills. If you abandon each product as soon as you hit up against a skill you don't yet have, your chances of progressing are much reduced. In your mind the method has failed, when in actuality it is not the method but your ability to deal with a small part of it.

        Very few things connected to Internet marketing are really difficult - they are just way outside most people's existing experience. For example, most people are baffled the first time they are told to 'just FTP the file to your server', but if they persist and take the time to teach themselves how to do it they soon realize that it isn't hard at all. Similarly HTML. I am always being told by beginners that they 'can't' do something because they 'don't have the technical knowledge to do that HTML stuff'. The truth is that none of us started out knowing HTML but some of us bothered to learn it - and quickly found that it isn't nearly as difficult as it looks.

        I think that your failures are not so much caused by your continual seeking after shiny new things. That's just a symptom of a more underlying issue: abandoning a project because it gets too difficult.

        Learn to embrace the difficulties and to enjoy the challenge of solving them and you will find that the success you seek was probably waiting just on the other side of the problem.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dustin Lyle
          Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

          Audray, it seems to me that most people are, understandably, focusing on the 'collecting WSOs' and 'shiny new things' part of your statement and missing the obvious.

          Success in Internet marketing - in my experience - comes to people who stick at 'technical issues' until they have solved them. That solution can be to work it out for yourself, or to pay someone else to work it out for you, but by and large working it out for yourself is preferable. At least the first time.

          Internet marketing is not difficult, but success is made up of a mastering a very long list of small skills. If you abandon each product as soon as you hit up against a skill you don't yet have, your chances of progressing are much reduced. In your mind the method has failed, when in actuality it is not the method but your ability to deal with a small part of it.

          Very few things connected to Internet marketing are really difficult - they are just way outside most people's existing experience. For example, most people are baffled the first time they are told to 'just FTP the file to your server', but if they persist and take the time to teach themselves how to do it they soon realize that it isn't hard at all. Similarly HTML. I am always being told by beginners that they 'can't' do something because they 'don't have the technical knowledge to do that HTML stuff'. The truth is that none of us started out knowing HTML but some of us bothered to learn it - and quickly found that it isn't nearly as difficult as it looks.

          I think that your failures are not so much caused by your continual seeking after shiny new things. That's just a symptom of a more underlying issue: abandoning a project because it gets too difficult.

          Learn to embrace the difficulties and to enjoy the challenge of solving them and you will find that the success you seek was probably waiting just on the other side of the problem.

          martin!

          I sure wish I could "LIKE" or "favorite" this post... Well spoken my friend!
          I Concur.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kingshouse
            I too read Martins piece and it really resonated with me.

            I taught myself a lot of this whole internet stuff by 'toughing it out'. I'd keep going until I found a solution. I bombarded Aweber and Hostgator with questions when I ran into road blocks.

            I think you just have to tough it out.

            There is no one training that can teach you everything. You have to be prepared to put what you have learned to the test and be prepared to 'learn' to persist when things are not going according to plan.

            I have had so many aha moments. It has be said they also cost me a lot of sleep!

            Thing is I now know how to go for the breakthrough ...it's by breaking through.

            I really hope there is a good news story at the end of this.

            What has been shared here by Warriors is priceless.

            Cheers Warriors.

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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Audray,

    Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

    I've been trying on and off since 2009 to make money on internet but never succeeded...The only thing I haven't really tried yet is to get a coach or mentor because of the high fees.
    Some mentors don't charge high fees and they are as good as they come. You just need to find one and learn all you can from them. I know that some really don't care about your success or anyone else but there are a few of them that are truly superstars and care about people and their success.

    Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

    My husband thinks I'm crazy to think I could make an income from internet marketing and that I'm wasting time and money.
    Who cares what he thinks.

    You have a vision to succeed online and this is your decision and life. [b]If you let others do the thinking for you then you are not going to succeed.[/u] You need to make a decision that you want to do this and make a decision that you will succeed.

    Will you have setbacks and failure? Sure you will. Everyone had when they got started.

    Never let anyone steal your dream of working at home online full time. If many others are doing it, so can you.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      Audray,

      Who cares what he thinks.
      Ummm, obviously she does, otherwise she would not have said it...
      Money is the cause of most stress in a marriage, she has been trying for 3 years
      with zero success, maybe her partner has a right to be pessimistic?
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      • Profile picture of the author ccole
        IM is kinda tough but I believe you need to set a goal first then work hard on achieving that goal. Persistence is the key.
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        • Profile picture of the author overseer
          I know a coaching program by John Thornhill called One Month Mentor. For 30 days (actually it's more than 30), you'd have to watch videos and do the assigned tasks for that day. It starts from creating your own website using your name and ends with launching a product.

          I think it's still available. It's $27 btw. Just look it up if you're interested
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

    My husband thinks I'm crazy to think I could make an income from internet marketing and that I'm wasting time and money.

    I really want to prove him wrong but i'm about to loose faith!
    It depends. If your attempts at making money online are an expense and keeping you from getting a job and really contributing to the household, I can understand his point of view.

    I would get a job and do Internet Marketing in your spare time. Then you would be covering your own expenses, contributing to the household and learning as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    You can definitely do it. But you need to look at IM as a real business.

    Something that you can tell friends and family about. That sort of thing.

    IMO that helps shift your mindset towards long-term success...and makes WSOs less appealing.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Lots of very good advice. You have to be disciplined about buying WSOs and avoid them at least for the intermediate future.

    I suggest you find a good niche, build a blog, a list, and monetize accordingly. Avoid being impatient if possible and contain costs. And it's helpful to work in an area you like or don't mind dealing with. If you don't like it, or have zero real interest in, then you will have a harder time doing the work and will lose motivation.

    And yes, definitely still worth trying.
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    • All very good logical advices indeed!

      talfilghel, you said you know about few really good mentors that REALLY care about their students success... May I have names?
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        Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

        All very good logical advices indeed!

        talfilghel, you said you know about few really good mentors that REALLY care about their students success... May I have names?
        Most mentors worth their salt charge thousands for mentoring. Their time is not cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Lowenthal
    I think the best thing to do is sit down and try to focus on what is needed or highly highly highly wanted somewhere out there. Then you just need to connect the dots between buyers and suppliers.

    Most pros on here so far I see are recommending you to focus on things you're good at. I agree. Once you know your own strong points. Find those who need them.
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    • Profile picture of the author salmanijaz
      Persistence is the key to success and their is no way around .... you have to stick to one thing and do all the research ... you can find a great amount of free stuff to learn in depth everything ... Just google it and scroll different blogs ...

      As far as the mentor is concerned .... you can be the mentor of yourself .... if you decide and commit yourself to something ..... Just stick to one thing and research in depth about it and you will start seeing results ....

      Best of luck
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      • Profile picture of the author robestrong
        Just play to your strengths, meet similar people, ask them what they've had success with, but at the same time don't put all of your eggs in one basket. That might sound like contradictory advice, but think of it like doing multiple things with whatever skill you're good at.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joshua Lowenthal
          Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

          Just play to your strengths, meet similar people, ask them what they've had success with, but at the same time don't put all of your eggs in one basket. That might sound like contradictory advice, but think of it like doing multiple things with whatever skill you're good at.
          This is most likely the best way to put it. Clear and concise.

          You need to find the needs in the world.

          Just understand that they may not always be around. So be adaptable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gengis
    Keep pushing but one thing I will tell you is if what you've been doing for 2 yrs isn't working then you need to try something new.

    Good luck.

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    • Profile picture of the author jakejoh10
      If you want to succeed, you can.

      There are plenty of people on this forum that can give you great guidance; as you can see from the great advice in this thread.

      I'm new to this business, but I already know that this takes a lot of work, and there's going to be a lot of failures along the way.

      But, as someone already said, persistence is key.

      Good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

    Please tell me how you would start this new year IM wise!
    Well I wouldn't be asking other people what they'd do...they're not me. Only you can answer your own question. Do you want to give up? Give up. If you want to make this work for you, then you need to get real with yourself. Follow One Course Until Successful. Make the sacrifices, put the time and energy into your project...what ever it might be. Stop chasing the golden carrot/next shiny object, because it doesn't exist.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coolneter
    Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

    I really want to prove him wrong but i'm about to loose faith!
    Sigh... i dont know what to say yet - but i understand your words.
    I was going to suggest that you needed more learning and testing.
    but i see you've been a member since 2009.

    it's just rough out there, and this game is not for everybody.
    if you haven't gotten a "somewhat firm foot-hold" on things by now then
    you need some guidance.

    But you do have to start from something you are good at, and the only way
    to know what it is - is by testing... a lot.

    cheers and happy new year.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Audray, it sounds like you may have been seduced by the promises of big, easy money. Remember, before you can make a million dollars, you first have to make a dollar.

    Instead of buying more WSOs and chasing leprechauns (or the French equivalent), comeo up with a sensible plan to make a few dollars. Something your skeptic husband can relate to - maybe a utility bill, cable TV bill, something.

    Be able to show him that people are looking for something you can provide for a price. Maybe it's a service, maybe a product, maybe promoting as an affiliate. Make a bare-bones budget.

    Once you get a few checks, you'll find that skepticism often turns to pride.

    I do agree with those who said you might want to consider at least part-time employment to bring some cash flow into the household. When it comes to marriage and money, feeling like your partner is really trying to pull their weight goes a long way.

    Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

    Who cares what he thinks.
    Spoken like a single man...

    Unless Audray is ready to bail on her marriage for the sake of the dream, she needs to care what he thinks. Marital stress can be a major roadblock and distraction, moreso than any shiny object.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulydp
    Hi Audray
    I was in your shoes not to long ago. You have to stay focused on where you want to take your business and stop buying all the shiny objects. Start making a plan for yourself where you wanna see yourself in the next 6 months. Focus on what you have to do to get there. You can check out my blog cause I wrote all about this subject. If you have any questions there is a ton of help, here in the WF
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  • Profile picture of the author David Micheal
    Change your mindset and believe that you can succeed.
    Don't do business because you want to prove something but do business because you want to make money.

    Write note about your goals and how you want to achieve it.
    Then, when you find yourself lost, look at your note.

    Only do something you know and do not give up.
    If you feel scare, doubt and worries, you smile and just do it whatever you want to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Before you figure out how to make money, you need to figure out how you can create the value to TRADE for that money.

    Here's a thread I wrote that goes into more detail:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-business.html

    What are you good at? What can you provide? And what are YOU passionate about?

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    I think you should maybe tell us what you have tried that hasn't worked.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    just make sure you hire an actual coach who actually does and gets great results with what they teach and not someone just regurgitating what they hear other people say
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Clarity is a HUGE part of IM success. It's so simple when you know it -- and darn difficult when you don't! I owe my mentors a world of thanks for bringing this clarity.

      IM is actually pretty simple: you can sell only one of two things:

      1. Products
      2. Services

      That's it!

      And selling products or services online happens in the same basic way for everyone, no matter what they're selling:

      Traffic > Opt-in page > Autoresponder series (or e-zine) > Sales page

      That's it! It's just that simple. (We IMers tend to overcomplicate things.)

      But no matter what your niche is, or whether you're selling a product or a service, do you know what your business model is?

      A business model is the framework or skeleton of your business. Essentially there are three types of online business models:

      1. Membership-based model

      A membership-based business model allows you to build a community of people (your members) who are as passionate about your subject as you are. Your membership fees can be monthly or annual, but either way, you're building recurring, passive income.

      There are a lot of resources and information out there to help you build a membership-based business if you're interested in doing this.

      2. Product-based model

      Selling products allows you to maximize your time and effort by selling items over and over again. This can be hard goods or it can be information products. Information marketing is it's own business model under the product-based model. Information marketing allows you to take your brain to the bank by creating a product ONCE based on what you know and selling it over and over again.

      3. Service-based model

      Selling services can be great for 1) generating quick cash (as in the case of article writing or video producing) and 2) establishing your expertise and getting testimonials.

      (Affiliate marketing falls under both models. You can choose to market either products or services as an affiliate.)

      However, in the long run, your goal should be to offer services at a PREMIUM. The biggest advantage of IM is LEVERAGE. You're able to leverage your time, money and expertise exponentially online. We all have just 24 hours each day. Time to get ruthless about what you expect for those hours you spend in IM each day. Expect more of yourself and more from your business friends, clients, partners, etc.

      What results are you getting for those hours you spend online each day? Ultimately, your services should be at the bottom of your funnel and cost the most since they involve your time and personal attention. (We all have a limited amount of time each day.)

      The fun (and confusion) comes in with all of the endless mix-and-match possibilities of the above models. If you're just starting or still struggling to make money, keep it simple:

      Pick just ONE!

      1. Pick ONE niche. (Something you're interested in and know something about.)

      2. Pick ONE target market for your product or service. (Who will buy what you're offering? The more specific you are, the more you narrow it down, the more successful you'll be.)

      3. Pick ONE business model.

      Now that you're clear about what business you're in, FOCUS! (And stop buying any info not related to your niche and target market, period!)

      F -- Follow
      O -- One
      C -- Course
      U -- Until
      S -- Successful

      And remember: build a list, Build a List, BUILD A LIST!

      In IM, it's easy to put the cart before the horse. Take a deep breath, step back and consider what type of business you REALLY want. Don't worry about getting traffic or buying that expensive traffic product until you know 1) what your business model is, 2) what niche you're in and 3) WHO your target market is!

      Successful business people will tell you that MARKETING is more than half the effort that's needed for success anyway. So pick a niche, target market and business model. Then spend most of your time and effort marketing it.

      If you DON'T have a solid plan or system, THAT'S when it's hard. A good system will shave YEARS (and save you big $$$) off of your learning curve

      That's why I recommend investing in at least one good, comprehensive IM course (or mentor who will give you such a system) instead of jumping from one $37 e-book to the next. A lot of people here complain about not being able to make any money. But neither are they willing to invest in their business. (Buying a random bunch of $37 e-books doesn't count.)

      The best thing I ever did was invest in a comprehensive IM course aimed at REAL business owners, not just other IM wannabes. Yes it was $1500. (It's no longer available.) But it was truly some of the best A-Z IM info I ever bought. Everything else I've learned (from the $37 e-books) since has simply been plugged into this system.

      Get a solid plan or system and then work the plan!

      Hope this helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author KevinDahlberg
    Lots of great advice. You could avoid buying products for a very long time just by following the advice on this thread.

    The only thing I would add, would be to go after the little successes. Make your first dollar online, create traffic goals for your website, publish a blog post every week. The little things are what builds up to the big things.
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  • Profile picture of the author ferdmag
    Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

    Hi everyone! Happy New Year!

    I'd like to hear the thoughts of warriors who had been succesfull on this...

    I've been trying on and off since 2009 to make money on internet but never succeeded...The only thing I haven't really tried yet is to get a coach or mentor because of the high fees.

    I am still very interested in making this happened but I'm getting desperate and starting having trouble at home because of this. My husband thinks I'm crazy to think I could make an income from internet marketing and that I'm wasting time and money.

    I really want to prove him wrong but i'm about to loose faith!

    Please tell me how you would start this new year IM wise!

    Thanks a lot!

    Audray
    Hi Audray,
    First, I think you need to decide on what part of IM you want to be in. Follow your passion and choose something that you are happy doing. Once that decision is made, either create a product or a service along that line and try as much as you can to fight shiny objects. When they come around, remember what good they've been to you in the past, and you'll easily pass.

    Now learn and market your product/service in as much ways as you can. Focus, Persistence, and Hardwork will see you through.
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  • Profile picture of the author kdorothea
    Audray, you can make money everywhere, on the internet and off the internet. In any case, making money is not a piece of cake, you need to put a lot of hard work and patience into it. Chose something you enjoy doing, pursue it with passion and eventually the money issue will be solved.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    Yes, its possible. I have set myself a goal of earning £10K a month in profit by the end of the year. Long way to go but I need to work at it. Unfortunately, there are no 4 hour weeks (despite what one famous marketing book would suggest) unless you outsource everything, which of course requires money. But at the same time, if you want to earn money on the net, you have to outsource some of the stuff otherwise it becomes a very tall order and just too much work for one person. This is actually probably more work for many people than going to work doing your daily routine at an office for an employer.

    There is so much you have to keep your eyes on. Organic traffic, building relationships with other sites, social media, etc, then you have to keep analyzing stats and see what changes you need to make to your content, your ads, so and so forth. Its a lot of work. Then again, you wouldn't expect any different. You get no joy from earning a good living off doing little to no work.

    I have tried to get into list building of late but found it wasn't to my liking and I would rather focus on areas where my personal strengths are. I just don't have the skills to to build a list in the first place, nor do I want to put in the work to keep the list 'happy'. If I put my respurces into this area, I find I neglect my stronger areas.
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    • Hi Audray,

      You've answered you own question ...

      It looks like the only thing I'm good at is collecting tons of wsos, starting a lot of different projects and abandonning them because of lack of money or technical issues or because I just discovered the next new shining object...
      Stop doing that.

      If you itch to show your family you CAN do it and can't wait a minute longer, then the fastest way to make those few precious dollars is to offer a service here on Warriors. Perhaps you are good at writing articles or have some other skill you can trade for cash?

      But that won't produce a long term business, with a passive income. So - if you have the patience - then here's what I suggest.

      A simple three step plan used by virtually all the 3% who actually do make money on line:

      1. Lock onto a single profitable, evergreen niche, with plenty of products you can sell as an affiliate..

      2. Offer a free gift and build a list in this niche.

      3. Nourish your list be sending them regular free information of value. Then, from time to time, send out a promo email that will make you money.

      And you can probably get some mileage from the WSOs you've bought, as they will help you get all this done.

      Then, later on, you can create your own product in this niche and have other folks sell it for you as your army of affilaites, expanding your own mailing list in leaps and bounds.

      Incidentally, every wealthy person gets wealthy by building an income-producing asset - which is exactly what you'll be doing by creating a mailing list.

      Of course, you could do a mix of these two strategies: some fast money by trading a skill for cash and gradually move over to to promoting your money making asset of your mailing list as that takes off.

      But the key is stop chasing the 'next new shining object' and concentrate on one thing that WILL make you money.

      Warmest regards,

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author saloni
    You can start with YouTube Video Affiliate Marketing. Its easy and fast money making process then after you can go for your interest wso's...
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  • Profile picture of the author minimalseo
    Wow. The willingness to help and share stuff is just infectious over here...awesome Warriors! I agree with Kevindalhberg...you can avoid buying any product for a long time by just following the advice here.

    My two cents in the jar: Knuckle down and devote your energies on one - a single, solid plan, which would mean forsaking chasing plenty of other possibilities, probably bigger & apparently easier ones too, that might come your way - that's a necessary sacrifice to ensure you see out the one you start to fruition.

    I know it sounds just cliche..but there is a reason it does
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWarlock
    Hey guys, happy new year!

    I find people in this thread to be very helpful which I'm very happy about!

    However, I am in pretty much same situation as Audray is.

    Like many newbies ( I still consider my self one even though I tried a lot of things ) I suffer from this shiny object buying syndrome. Thing is, it is really hard to resist...Let me explain. Whenever I find a good WSO to buy, I read it, I get excited and want to start working on it. And then couple of outcomes happen: I either am too impatient or another shiny thing comes out... Point is, those WSO's say how much potentially you can make with particular method, but I never know how long do I have to wait until I have to let the boat sink if no results happen.

    Another thing is, I read around internet where people tend to leave very honest reviews on the products and the product I bought and thought it's a good and even got a WSO of the day appears to be crap from everyone's else perspective despite good reviews on WF. So it becomes confusing. That's all about the shiny object part.


    Now people here advice to stick to one method and work on it until it makes money. It's pretty hard for a newbie to pick the right course to follow. I agree with having solid plan which is the core of any normal business and online one has to be treated that way as well. But plan is one thing, you also have to have a strategy on how will you do different things which is another issue for a newbie. You guys mentioned to google things or look here on forum. I agree that here you can find a lot of information, however, what do you suggest to do when you don't know what to look for? Thing sometimes do not work out because of the things you have no idea about or you missed something that you did not know even existed or had to be done, which is why following some expert course seem reasonable.

    But again, it's very tough to pick the right one which would guide you at least to that one first dollar.

    Could you please comment on my thoughts, maybe I am dead wrong. I really want 2013 to be successful.

    Sincerely.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
      Originally Posted by IMWarlock View Post

      Like many newbies ( I still consider my self one even though I tried a lot of things ) I suffer from this shiny object buying syndrome. Thing is, it is really hard to resist...Let me explain. Whenever I find a good WSO to buy, I read it, I get excited and want to start working on it. And then couple of outcomes happen: I either am too impatient or another shiny thing comes out... Point is, those WSO's say how much potentially you can make with particular method, but I never know how long do I have to wait until I have to let the boat sink if no results happen.
      Been there...done that.

      I finally learned to stop even looking at the WSO section and work on what I determined to be a good business for me. That was based on passion.

      The only WSO's I even contemplate buying are ones that potentially help me perfect what I already have.

      Think of it this way: WSO's are TOOLS to help you do what you are already doing...but do it better. If you buy a WSO thinking it will be a business model...it's probably not the best thing for you.

      That's the way I do it anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author IMWarlock
        Originally Posted by Keith Boisvert View Post

        Been there...done that.

        I finally learned to stop even looking at the WSO section and work on what I determined to be a good business for me. That was based on passion.

        The only WSO's I even contemplate buying are ones that potentially help me perfect what I already have.

        Think of it this way: WSO's are TOOLS to help you do what you are already doing...but do it better. If you buy a WSO thinking it will be a business model...it's probably not the best thing for you.

        That's the way I do it anyway.
        It is pretty hard to determine what good business is for a newbie...in other words, it's a bit tricky to choose the right path.

        For example, I want to start an affiliate marketing business, I have to choose a niche which I am passionate about ( at least recommended ) but what if it's too saturated and I am still just about to tap in. So then I might pick very low competition keywords to build a blog around and integrate a opt-in box for people to subscribe and promote affiliate offers to them. Also comes traffic generation. It all sounds easy, but then why so many fail?

        I do have passion for IM niche, I'm always interested in it, but I don't believe it is okay for a newbie to be in IM niche in the first place.

        I also do not understand how complete newbie can create an information product having no knowledge on the subject? Compiling information from different sources and putting it into an ebook does not make you an expert and from my point of view it's a bit unethical to present yourself as one. And I'm not talking only about IM niche.

        Clarifications?

        I know I might be over-complicating things and they're much simpler than I think they are, that's why I find this topic very useful. I also didn't wanted to create new one

        Sincerely.
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        • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
          Originally Posted by IMWarlock View Post

          It is pretty hard to determine what good business is for a newbie...in other words, it's a bit tricky to choose the right path.

          For example, I want to start an affiliate marketing business, I have to choose a niche which I am passionate about ( at least recommended ) but what if it's too saturated and I am still just about to tap in. So then I might pick very low competition keywords to build a blog around and integrate a opt-in box for people to subscribe and promote affiliate offers to them. Also comes traffic generation. It all sounds easy, but then why so many fail?

          I do have passion for IM niche, I'm always interested in it, but I don't believe it is okay for a newbie to be in IM niche in the first place.

          I also do not understand how complete newbie can create an information product having no knowledge on the subject? Compiling information from different sources and putting it into an ebook does not make you an expert and from my point of view it's a bit unethical to present yourself as one. And I'm not talking only about IM niche.

          Clarifications?

          I know I might be over-complicating things and they're much simpler than I think they are, that's why I find this topic very useful. I also didn't wanted to create new one

          Sincerely.
          I know it's hard to pick something as a business. But if you are just starting out, why not stick with what you got? (ie: affiliate marketing in a niche you say you are passionate about)

          There are a ton of posts here on the WF about "picking a niche" to determine if it's a viable option. However, if you don't mind putting in some time and hard work, regardless of it's a super money maker, the experience you will get while working this niche will be valuable for other projects. Meaning that your concerns about driving traffic, opt in's etc are all tools, once learned, will serve you well in all future projects. You won't always hit a home run. Even some of the best researched niche's fail to produce the desired income.

          I agree about not delving into the make money niche right away. Super competitive, and you should cut your teeth on other things...and who knows, the experience you will gain may down the road could allow you to create IM based products.

          I do think you may be over complicating things a bit. You have a passionate niche and a business model of affiliate marketing, This certainly will help you learn the staples of IM. Learn how to drive traffic, learn how to accrue opt in's, learn what works and what doesn't. Test.

          I guarantee that after 3 months of hard work, you WILL have a ton more knowledge not only of IM principles, but an in-depth knowledge of your niche...which will give you an advantage on creating your own product. (because part of your process will be communicating with your market, and you will see a void in the marketplace that will spark your new product idea)

          Not sure if this makes any sense? It worked for me, but I suppose each of us are individuals with different work habits and interests. My biggest failure led me to where I am today.

          ~keith
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        • First of all, THANK YOU! for caring...

          I read carefully all of your posts and everything you said makes perfect sense and I think the same way.

          Where it becomes more difficult is to apply and stick with this wisdom...

          My situation is that I have interest in pretty much every business model and I know a little bit about almost everything but know nothing deeply...

          As far as offering a service, I don't have any parcular talent that I feel valuable to offer in the IM niche...

          My only true value is my interest in still learning and succeeding in IM...

          I want to make 2013 different than the 3 other years I passed on this forum asking advises and chasing shiny wsos... I want to become the one who will be able to share her success as little as it can be!

          That's why I'm really determine this time to make things differently thisvtime around but i need guidance.
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          • It's now becoming clearer to me that one of the only thing I haven't tried yet is having a good mentoring helping me taking the right steps from day one to avoid wasting my time and money and actually ending up achieving something...

            I think from now on, I will focus on finding a "perfect fit" mentor for myself and not buy any other wsos for now... That will already be a big difference cause I think I have probably spent about 10 000$ in the last 3 years on stuff I could't make work...
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          • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
            Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

            First of all, THANK YOU! for caring...

            I read carefully all of your posts and everything you said makes perfect sense and I think the same way.

            Where it becomes more difficult is to apply and stick with this wisdom...
            It is difficult...and that is exactly why more people don't succeed with IM. But if you can discipline yourself to do it, your chances of success become much higher. In fact, I would say that they become almost 100%, because there are plenty of people out there who are putting one or another model into action (and so you can do it too). On the other hand, I don't know anyone who is making money by flitting from one business model to another.

            My situation is that I have interest in pretty much every business model and I know a little bit about almost everything but know nothing deeply...

            As far as offering a service, I don't have any parcular talent that I feel valuable to offer in the IM niche...

            My only true value is my interest in still learning and succeeding in IM...
            Why limit yourself to IM? You can sell plenty of stuff outside the IM niche...in fact, it'll probably be easier.

            I want to make 2013 different than the 3 other years I passed on this forum asking advises and chasing shiny wsos... I want to become the one who will be able to share her success as little as it can be!

            That's why I'm really determine this time to make things differently thisvtime around but i need guidance.
            Cool! Hope to see your success story soon!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chips Fletcher
    My boss started her dog clothing IM business with just £5k and a lot of devotion. She did not start to even give herself a wage for 15 months as all the money went back into the business. Now she is doing rather well. This just shows how much dedication and perseverance will pay off.
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Hey Audray,

    Happy New Year to you as well! It's going to be a killer year for us all, I know it.

    As a lot of people have mentioned, it looks like you need to focus better on one system than bouncing around from WSO to WSO.

    Now that's easier said than done for someone in your position. You don't know what really works... if any of it does... so which should you choose? It's a rough battle all of us face in the beginning.

    I want you to stop thinking about this as finding the right internet marketing strategy... and start thinking about what type of business do you want to be running..

    It comes down to a very simple formula really. Once you figure it out, this whole business thing becomes ridiculously easy. We often over complicate everything and make it hard on ourselves.

    The formula is this... Traffic -> Sales Funnel -> Offer

    That's it. You have a business with those 3 pieces in place.

    Newbies get bogged down from WSOs because they typically only focus on 1 of those three areas. They may touch on the other 2 areas, but the good stuff typically only hits one area of the business formula.

    So, you have a large group of buyers without a business trying to make money by only building 1 piece of the puzzle. They get bored because they've had no success and they move onto the next single piece of the puzzle completely throwing out their first piece.

    Keith wrote a great line above... "WSO's are TOOLS to help you do what you are already doing...but do it better. If you buy a WSO thinking it will be a business model...it's probably not the best thing for you."

    Now it's time to get that business in place.

    Step 1 - Discover your business. First off, you need to decide what niche is best for you. I think it's stupid to build a business around something you don't enjoy. You're going to be devoting your life to this for at least the next year, so make it something you want to do.

    Step 2 - Get an offer. Once you know your niche, you can figure out what they need. Now, you just need to make it or have it made. Ebooks, video series, webinars, and workshops are all information products that cost you ZERO DOLLARS to create.

    You could of course just choose affiliate products to sell, but having your own product or offer is definitely suggested. You're just a salesman for someone else if you're just selling affiliate products.

    Step 3 - Find traffic. This seems to be the big problem for all the students I've mentored. It's really simple though. You just need to go where your buyers go. If your weight loss buyers love to hang out at the Weight Watchers forum, then go post in that forum... buy a banner ad on their website... or maybe talk to one of the moderators about adding something special to the forum.

    You could go to places like facebook and start talking about weight loss. As people share and like your messages, weight loss traffic will gravitate to you.

    Step 4 - Choose and improve your sales funnel. A sales funnel is just the process you bring your traffic into your offer.

    Building an email list is an example of a sales funnel. In this such funnel, you send your traffic to a newsletter where they can receive emails from you over and over again. This allows you to build that trust with your readers which helps when you ask them to give yo money.

    Get these in place and you'll be cranking.

    Having a loved one giving negative feedback is one of the most toxic things that can happen to your business. You'll doubt yourself every time something negative comes out of his mouth.

    Get him on your side about this if you're really serious about it. When someone undoubtly believes in you and what you're doing, you'll be driven more than ever before.

    My dad was my negative influence. I was constantly told to get a real job and that I was wasting my life. It only makes you doubt yourself and you'll never make it like that.

    I was lucky enough to have a girlfriend at the time who knew 100% that I was going to be a big success and she told me often as I worked. You wouldn't believe the motivational kick that gives.

    As far as getting a mentor, I think it's stupid not to have one no matter what experience level you are. Why wouldn't you want someone who knows what they are doing to tell you how it's done?

    If you can't afford one, then do work for one in exchange for coaching. Make sure to choose someone doing what you want to be doing.

    Once you get the extra cash, buy the best mentor you know... then listen.

    Good luck in 2013. As Chris Winters says, "The key is massive amounts of imperfect action."

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    • Profile picture of the author IMWarlock
      Originally Posted by petelta View Post

      Hey Audray,

      Happy New Year to you as well! It's going to be a killer year for us all, I know it.

      As a lot of people have mentioned, it looks like you need to focus better on one system than bouncing around from WSO to WSO.

      Now that's easier said than done for someone in your position. You don't know what really works... if any of it does... so which should you choose? It's a rough battle all of us face in the beginning.

      I want you to stop thinking about this as finding the right internet marketing strategy... and start thinking about what type of business do you want to be running..

      It comes down to a very simple formula really. Once you figure it out, this whole business thing becomes ridiculously easy. We often over complicate everything and make it hard on ourselves.

      The formula is this... Traffic -> Sales Funnel -> Offer

      That's it. You have a business with those 3 pieces in place.

      Newbies get bogged down from WSOs because they typically only focus on 1 of those three areas. They may touch on the other 2 areas, but the good stuff typically only hits one area of the business formula.

      So, you have a large group of buyers without a business trying to make money by only building 1 piece of the puzzle. They get bored because they've had no success and they move onto the next single piece of the puzzle completely throwing out their first piece.

      Keith wrote a great line above... "WSO's are TOOLS to help you do what you are already doing...but do it better. If you buy a WSO thinking it will be a business model...it's probably not the best thing for you."

      Now it's time to get that business in place.

      Step 1 - Discover your business. First off, you need to decide what niche is best for you. I think it's stupid to build a business around something you don't enjoy. You're going to be devoting your life to this for at least the next year, so make it something you want to do.

      Step 2 - Get an offer. Once you know your niche, you can figure out what they need. Now, you just need to make it or have it made. Ebooks, video series, webinars, and workshops are all information products that cost you ZERO DOLLARS to create.

      You could of course just choose affiliate products to sell, but having your own product or offer is definitely suggested. You're just a salesman for someone else if you're just selling affiliate products.

      Step 3 - Find traffic. This seems to be the big problem for all the students I've mentored. It's really simple though. You just need to go where your buyers go. If your weight loss buyers love to hang out at the Weight Watchers forum, then go post in that forum... buy a banner ad on their website... or maybe talk to one of the moderators about adding something special to the forum.

      You could go to places like facebook and start talking about weight loss. As people share and like your messages, weight loss traffic will gravitate to you.

      Step 4 - Choose and improve your sales funnel. A sales funnel is just the process you bring your traffic into your offer.

      Building an email list is an example of a sales funnel. In this such funnel, you send your traffic to a newsletter where they can receive emails from you over and over again. This allows you to build that trust with your readers which helps when you ask them to give yo money.

      Get these in place and you'll be cranking.

      Having a loved one giving negative feedback is one of the most toxic things that can happen to your business. You'll doubt yourself every time something negative comes out of his mouth.

      Get him on your side about this if you're really serious about it. When someone undoubtly believes in you and what you're doing, you'll be driven more than ever before.

      My dad was my negative influence. I was constantly told to get a real job and that I was wasting my life. It only makes you doubt yourself and you'll never make it like that.

      I was lucky enough to have a girlfriend at the time who knew 100% that I was going to be a big success and she told me often as I worked. You wouldn't believe the motivational kick that gives.

      As far as getting a mentor, I think it's stupid not to have one no matter what experience level you are. Why wouldn't you want someone who knows what they are doing to tell you how it's done?

      If you can't afford one, then do work for one in exchange for coaching. Make sure to choose someone doing what you want to be doing.

      Once you get the extra cash, buy the best mentor you know... then listen.

      Good luck in 2013. As Chris Winters says, "The key is massive amounts of imperfect action."

      Travis
      Hey, that is one inspiring post you made

      My family is also against my attempts to make money online...they were at first and when I failed they were against even more which is very very discouraging.

      What you laid out here is very simple strategy. Does it mean that I should focus on building a list? Like creating a squeeze page for a particular niche and driving traffic to it and then try to monetize my list? I think the most difficult part of email marketing is the funnel creation...like someone mentioned - keeping your subscribers happy and making money at the same time... Even when building a list, you'll probably offer something for free which attracts a lot of freebie seekers and no buyers, and after couple of promotions they leave you for another freebie. And again, for a newbie it's very discouraging thing to happen. I know it seems that I'm just whining here, but having failed I still doubt of giving it another shot.. even if I learned more than when I first started.

      Even though strategy sounds simple, there are a lot of different approaches to it and it's a bit tricky to choose the right one.

      Your idea of a mentor is great, but they are very expensive and to find one to work for seems impossible as they value their time and do not want to deal with tire kickers and it became hard to convince them that you are actually willing to work. Nobody wants to teach for free

      I may seem negative here, but I'm really not. I want to understand as much as possible and I think this thread here is goldmine for newbies as everyone are being very helpful.

      Sincerely.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by IMWarlock View Post

      It is pretty hard to determine what good business is for a newbie...in other words, it's a bit tricky to choose the right path.

      For example, I want to start an affiliate marketing business, I have to choose a niche which I am passionate about ( at least recommended ) but what if it's too saturated and I am still just about to tap in. So then I might pick very low competition keywords to build a blog around and integrate a opt-in box for people to subscribe and promote affiliate offers to them. Also comes traffic generation. It all sounds easy, but then why so many fail?
      When Google launched (the search engine, not the IPO), there were at least half a dozen well-established search engines. Who needed another search engine? Today, most of those search engines are gone, or they buy their results from Google.

      'Saturation' means that, in most cases, you haven't niched down far enough. It might also mean that you are confused about the word 'niche' as opposed to 'market'. For example, people like to say they are in the 'IM niche'. That isn't a niche. It's a market composed of dozens of niches and hundreds of subniches. I promise you, not all of them are "saturated" and all of them could be profitably entered with the right approach.

      You've mentioned one niche (affiliate marketing) and several sub-niches (niche selection, keyword research, blogging, list building, traffic generation). Then you can add in which part of the audience in that sub-niche you want to target. Newbies, pros looking for an edge, techies, total non-techies?

      I think a lot of people fail because they don't really know what they are trying to do.

      Originally Posted by IMWarlock View Post

      I do have passion for IM niche, I'm always interested in it, but I don't believe it is okay for a newbie to be in IM niche in the first place.
      If you mean "teaching people to make money", I wholeheartedly agree with you. On the other hand, if you were a graphic artist with years of experience, do you think you could teach people to create their own simple graphics, or how to lay out a page for easiest reading? Put that into the context of people running online businesses, and you are in the "IM niche".

      Originally Posted by IMWarlock View Post

      I also do not understand how complete newbie can create an information product having no knowledge on the subject? Compiling information from different sources and putting it into an ebook does not make you an expert and from my point of view it's a bit unethical to present yourself as one. And I'm not talking only about IM niche.

      Clarifications?
      No one with any integrity or ethics will create an information product with no knowledge of a subject. They might buy one, or the rights to one, from someone who does, though.

      The trick to compiling information from multiple sources and using it to create an ebook isn't the problem. The problem is then presenting yourself as the subject matter expert. If you present yourself as a researcher seeking the best information, you're not deceiving anyone.

      Originally Posted by IMWarlock View Post

      I know I might be over-complicating things and they're much simpler than I think they are, that's why I find this topic very useful. I also didn't wanted to create new one

      Sincerely.
      You are over-complicating things. Just about every newbie (and most of the rest of us at times) do the same thing. Welcome to the human race...
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      • Profile picture of the author paulydp
        Audray

        Just stay focused. Alot of great info people shared here with you. This year will be good for you if you stay focused. Best wishes
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      • Profile picture of the author philhunter
        IM just isn't meant for some people and to be honest I think you are one of those people, if you haven't made anything in 4 years of trying I highly doubt you will make anything in future years even with a coach, sorry to be blunt but that's just the way I see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sagits
    Let me just tell you this: there is A LOT of money to be made on the internet. It's the fastest growing economic sector. Why not start by creating your own website and playing around with SEO. In a few months time you can bring a nice residual monthly income just from 1 website. Good luck and BELIEVE IN YOURSELF!
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I can't recommend any mentors but if you've been perusing this full time for over 3 years now and I mean actually trying things out, testing, working hard and not just buying WSO after WSO without taking any action and you've not managed to make any money either IM is not for you or you're jumping around too much from idea to idea without seeing things through.

    I have probably spent about 10 000$ in the last 3 years on stuff I could't make work...
    Did you try and make it work or did you just read it and then not take any action? $10K is a lot of money to have spent and I can't imagine all of the things you bought didn't work, some of these WSOs or whatever they were must have been actionable. They'll all take work, you won't know how to do everything mentioned in them but you can learn by trial and error and reading information on the subject to build up your knowledge and trying things out bit by bit. The parts you really can't do you outsource to someone who knows how. That would be a better way to spend your money than on 'shiny new objects'.
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    • Hey there!

      I actually tried to implement lots of things and worked hard on them part time for few days even weeks ... and I was very motivated! ...but after a while, I either got discouraged because I got no results or no sales or I ended up needing money to continue further or to outsource things...

      Then, looking for solutions, I stumbled on a new wso seeming to be easier to make quick money so I put my project on the side to pursue the next one thinking I would come back to it when I have more money... Sometimes even forgetting about previous projects!

      This is truly a sad waste of my time and money and this is part of the reason I don't want to give up... The other part being that I still believe I could get a better quality of life for my family and myself!

      I have to mention I have ADD and this is why I need a mentor to guide me closely in every steps so when I get a positive outcome, I'll be able to stiçk to this plan and not waste my time and money anymore...
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      • Chris,

        Of course this isn't out pride I want to succeed. This is truly because I believe I could make an average income like others do to give my family and myself a better life quality... Nothing fancy, just more free time and more activities for me and my close ones...
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        • One thing is for sure,

          If I ever succeed, I wild gladly share my story and tips here and help newbies not to get discouraged and give up on their dreams...
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          • Rockinglastforever,

            That would be more like several days, weeks and even months even if I was supposed to see results more quickly according to the wsos...

            Believe me, I do not think I can make money in a matter of hours and I'm more than willing to put efforts in something that will work, even if I see tangible results only after several weeks or months...

            The thing now, is that I really think that I need to coached closely to achieve some form of succes and build from there...
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            • Anonymousaffiliate,

              Thanks for your feedback... Sometimes I think that too... That's why I started this thread but from other warriors feedbacks and because a little voice is always bringing me back to this, I still think there is no reason why a "regular" person like me, with modest goals, couldn't not make it...

              If i'm still trying to make this work is because I am very much interested by this hole business and I have no interest in venturing into other " offline" work beside my regular work. Believe me, I thought about this before!
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              • Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

                Anonymousaffiliate,

                Thanks for your feedback... Sometimes I think that too... That's why I started this thread but from other warriors feedbacks and because a little voice is always bringing me back to this, I still think there is no reason why a "regular" person like me, with modest goals, couldn't not make it...
                It's not about whether a "regular" person can make it or not. It doesn't take a "special" person to make money online... BUT it takes an entrepreneurial person to make it, since IM is at the end of the day nothing but an online business and, let's face it, most people are not cut out to create+manage their own business.

                Seriously, if you've tried and failed for 3 years already, chances are that this is not your thing.
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                • Maybe you're right... I hope not!

                  All I can say is that I run successfully my main business offline and I have no problem getting clients but I want to use my time and presence at home differently and I don't want to increase this business...

                  So I want to give myself a last chance in 2013 with a different approach and then I will be in peace to let go of that IM dream if I must...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Donne
    OOOhhh I can feel the frustration, Do you need a mentor , ????? , do you need help support and very clear concise guidance, Yes most definately. You simply cannot learn what you need to know without it. Starting and running a successfull online business is like anything else in life you dont know, you need to be taught. Just a thought, be sure your motivations and goals remain in place, by that I mean when you started out your goal wasnt to prove your husband wrong, It was to become successful, and I mean that with respect
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  • Profile picture of the author clintmyers
    Don't give up! Don't ever give up. Find one thing that interests you, stick with it until you succeed. Once you find that one thing, ignore everything thing else no matter how good it seems. It probably is not that good and the time you spend finding that out is wasted time you could have spend on the first thing. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author alandijulian
    Never give up Audray, me too for 3 years still learning and spend a lot of money to learn IM, but after of my deep researching there was no "secret" in IM, you will only find in the internet marketing is not far than build blog, writing articles, building lists and create a good relationship with your lists, and promoting quality products
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  • Not to be rude but... have you considered that, if you've tried "something" for 3 years without success, maybe that "something" is simply not for you? You can replace "something" for anything you wish: Internet Marketing, writing poetry, painting portraits, etc.

    Perhaps you're just not cut out for it. It's important to know when you're fighting the wrong battle, you know... 3 years is a LONG time to click-in into pretty much any venture. If you haven't made any progress by the 3rd year, then I'd say that IM is not for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I actually tried to implement lots of things and worked hard on them part time for few days even weeks ... and I was very motivated! ...but after a while, I either got discouraged because I got no results or no sales or I ended up needing money to continue further or to outsource things...
    A few days? Seriously you're very unlikely to see results in a few days with anything, even a few weeks is usually not enough. You need to see things through and work on them until completion.

    A mentor may help you but it might just be another case of spending money on something and then not seeing it through, so more more wasted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I'm curious, what's your offline business? It seems strange that someone who can run a successful offline biz cannot make a penny online and has spent $10K trying.

    Best of luck whatever you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author spiros1989
    I agree with Gengis. Try something different or try the some thing but in diferent way!
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  • Profile picture of the author drbrucehoag
    This is a really good question and, like you, I put off getting a coach for a long time. But, I found that there was only so much that I could accomplish by surfing the web. And what really made me change my mind is that I found someone who could teach the way I liked to learn.

    And I think that's the key. Find someone you like.
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetdreamfactory
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    I would suggest you try to reach out my mentor, he is real gem. Today i making living online due to his mentoring. I have never come across such a great guy, his coaching is so simple but powerful. He even gives 1 Hr. FREE consultation. Take advantage of his consulting, catch him on skype - sreeharshasp
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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    $10K on WSO's is a lot of money wasted. You're probably suffering from information overload trying to take action on everything you're reading. Pick one of the tried and true methods of making money (selling a product, building a list, affiliate marketing, Kindle books, etc.) and get to work learning that one thing.

    Learning how to make money online doesn't usually happen overnight or even in the first few months. It's something that you learn gradually over time. Bouncing around from WSO to WSO doesn't give you enough time to stop and learn one of the ways to make money online well enough to, well, start making money.

    Oh yeah . . . And stop buying WSOs. You have all the information you need to make money right now. The only thing you should even consider paying for from here on out is services or software that helps you scale up anything you find that makes money. And don't go crazy with that either until you learn on your own what does and doesn't work.

    If you're spending more time reading about making money than you are actually trying to make money, you're doing it all wrong. All the information you need is here in the forum for free. There are a number of money making methods that you'll see here in this section time and time again. These are the best ways to make money online and they aren't as hard as people like to make them. Stop worrying about the shiny new WSOs and instead focus on learning how to do things yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dustin Lyle
    Aside from any technical know-how, Or whether you pursue IM or any other career. you absolutely, positively NEED a COACH! Someone outside of your household, and with ZERO ties to ANY of your family or friends. (EXCEPTION-the referrer or reference that led you to them)

    I know tons of successful people... ALL of which have Life coaches-non affiliated Mentors etc... I also know TONS of broke people, and I've never met a broke person that EVER had a mentor. Also, most all of the "self made" successful people that I know, SWEAR by having a coach. In fact, I never again, for the rest of my life, will go without a coach or mentor.
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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    I'm not so sure about the whole coaching thing. I don't think everyone needs one. I'm doing just fine without one and I learned the ropes on my own. I'm sure there are plenty of others on here who did as well. In the OP's case, I think you're right. A good coach would probably work wonders and be able to keep her focused on one thing for long enough to start making money at it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dustin Lyle
      Originally Posted by miklanderson2 View Post

      I'm not so sure about the whole coaching thing. I don't think everyone needs one. I'm doing just fine without one and I learned the ropes on my own.
      I was just like that with my real estate business, I was making great money and enjoying my life... Until the day I met a guy that made 10x my income with what seemed like 1/2 the work... His first question to me was if I had a coach or not... I thought he was maybe trying to sell me him as a coach so I was like... "dude, I'm not giving you my money"... He then went on to tell me that he wasn't asking a real question, he was being sarcastic.. The questionis the answer. Our brain is programmed some kind of crazy way that makes having a coach mean a world of difference, for ANYONE. I'm talking exponential difference! Sorry if it seems like I'm pushing the subject, I'm just really passionate about it... It has made me a new person, in EVERY great way!
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  • Profile picture of the author kayode10
    Originally Posted by the french newbie View Post

    've been trying on and off since 2009 to make money on internet but never succeeded...The only thing I haven't really tried yet is to get a coach or mentor because of the high fees.
    With what you said, i would advice you to focus and never to give up on your dream of making money online, with this you will definitely succeed. if you can try as much as possible to get reliable coach, in fact you are bound to succeed faster, just forget about the high fee, because getting good coach really worth their price. More so, don't allow any one to discourage you to give up on your dream right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Mativenga
    Making money online mainly hinges on self discipline, self motivation and the ability to focus.

    Yes coaches will help you and give you a lot of very good advice, but if you do not have the self discipline and the energy to put the advice into action, you will be knocking on the next coach’s door the next morning.

    I think you also need to realise that not everybody can make money with a few hours, its possible yes, but for most it takes a learning curve.

    My advice is for you to focus on one money-making venture at a time, be prepared to put the advice you get be it from a WSO, a coach or elsewhere online into practice. If you can try a venture for 90 days consistently without making any cent, it might be time to move on to the next shiny object.

    But before you move on to the next venture you should try and do a thorough self appraisal, not just blame the program, but review your progress (strength and weaknesses) so you can learn from them. You will pick a lot of good things from failed venture, try and implement them onto the next one.

    TO YOUR SUCCESS ONLINE
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  • Profile picture of the author Edk
    thefrenchnewbie, one question I'm particularly interested to ask you. Your honest answer to this may help you. Is there anything that the great majority of people would have a lot of trouble doing with any degree of competence that you would find relatively easy to do?

    There aren't too many overnight successes in IM but some folks cut through the noise faster than others.

    There's something else I'd thought to ask but for now the little I've written, hopefully will help. I don't even need to say 'good luck', hard work will get you there.

    By the way, just this past week I heard one man (6 to 7 figure a year marketer) talking about the time soon after he'd dropped out of college. His mother is in the room stabbing with the index finger of one hand into the palm of the other hand. She's saying heatedly: "show me the money, go on show me the money!" He was laughing out loud as he said it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Well, you know, girl...lol...this stuff takes a lot of time to figure out....

    So...since 2009 you say? Have you tried offering services? I can tell you from personal experience that nothing is better than to start out making money online by offering services. It teaches you Soooooooo many different things and makes you WORK!

    Focus and work. Those two qualities have always been the key to success, offline and online, and although some people on here got a little irate with me about my post to the lazy-ass woman with kids who had a child abuser for a partner, I stand by my statement.

    Persistence. Do some research on just ONE THING you KNOW is working for others and DO THAT for awhile if you can't offer a service.
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  • Profile picture of the author dukegman
    Yes, its still worth trying. Just because you couldnt be successful does not means that you should just quit all at once. What it means is that you are doing something and thats what you've got to find & fix. And in your case, the biggest mistake you make is going after every "Next Big Thing". Thats something really serious, and you extremely need to avoid that. I have also been through it and I know it was always the reason for my failures. With that said, if I was you, I would find one good thing and stick to it till the death, ok not that but stick to it till I succeed. Believe me, you will never get anywhere unless you get rid of this extremely bad habbit. Im stressing out so much on these because I have personally suffered a lot on this, believe it or not.

    Oh and, in my opinion affiliate marketing and product launch are the two things I would look deeply into and then stick to anyone of these two because both of these are great. I have been an affiliate marketer for quite some time, and I am starting out in product launch these days. And its pretty good. I would highly recommend you to go for any one of these two.

    And one more thing, no matter how fraustrated or disappointment you get, keep in mind that:

    You wont Fail unless you Giveup!!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    Everything you've said leads me to believe you are a wantrepreneur not an entrepreneur.

    If you really want to make this work then you have to be willing to put in the hard work. Nobody is going to hand it to you. Set a real deadline that you will commit to... Don't give yourself another year to waste. Set a goal of $xxx profit by the end of this month. If you can't find a way to make that happen, then you should think about moving on.

    I hate to be that guy steps all over your internet marketing dreams, but you are a classic example of a newbie who got sucked into all the hype. You are running around in circles and you've spent 3 years doing this and got nothing to show for it. It's time to snap back to reality. Either get some focus and work your ass off, or move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingshouse
      If you have taken action as yoo say then that of itself is something.

      I'll leave the fact that you have nothing to show for it for now and ask you this...What have you learned so far from the action you have already taken?

      From here you can see the way ahead. You must have surely learned how 'not to do something' as well as 'how to do something'.

      Seriously go see what you 'achieved' from what you did. I think some people call it EVALUATION. Going from one thing to another once it looks like it did not work is not evaluation. Take a hard look at what you did and ask 'why did this not work?' AND 'How can I do it better for next time'

      I hope this adds.

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      There is success even in so called failure. You need to look for it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    Alex Jeffery's is awesome and knows his stuff. Tristan Bull is also very good. Make the investment. Alex Jeffery's program is only like $27 a month. From one Canadian to another
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    dont give up, i also tried since 3 years with little results, its not that easy. You need to try something that works

    PS: Another quebecer, i am from mtl
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  • Profile picture of the author RachelLily
    Yeah of course, its worth trying! Get a book that describes each of the available methods to make money online and find one that you like the most: if you like the idea of writing - blogging or article marketing will be perfect for you; if you like building connections with people - consider learning social media marketing. But choose only 1 direction (only 1 class, if you will) and stick with it until you master it.
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  • Profile picture of the author prajapa
    Hey Sweetdreamfactory, Thanks for your comment. I tried connecting with your mentor and he is awesome. I was fortunate that he accepted me as his student. Guys, you need to try him out, he gives 1 hr consultaion free on skype. Just buzz him on sreeharshasp
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  • Profile picture of the author edhuu
    Try to focus to 1 method.. Stop buying wso and jump over methods.. You can do some research to search good coach/mentor..
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