A simple business concept which could be useful to one or two of you

by Mark Andrews Banned
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Is this business model something you could improve upon?

It's a local idea which I think has a lot of legs for improvement. Obviously shoplifting is a massive problem to all shop and store owners and retailers and this idea might just help to stop more instances of shoplifting from taking place.

It has an enormous benefit to each business signing up for the service in question.

I'm reckoning more than a few of you could do something similar to this in your home town or city.

Check out this simple business concept here...

Internet Eyes - Internet Eyes

Want to run with it? I wish you every success!

Kindest regards,


Mark Andrews
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  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
    Hi Mark,

    I'm sure you mean well but why pick that 'business concept'?

    It has an enormous benefit to each business signing up for the service in question.
    So do many other things I can think of, but in the long run they don't help anyone.

    There's nothing wrong with businesses employing private security guards and business communities working in synergy to reduce crime against their businesses - as they do right now.

    But you enter vastly different territory when you incentivise people sitting at home with nothing better to do than trying to earn rewards for spying on and reporting people in their local community for crimes against businesses in their community.

    Once the state starts subsidising this, (you know the state who decide what is right and wrong and often get that 'wrong'), then you only need to look into recent history to see where this leads.

    Alternatively, even if the state stays outside of this system, if the state causes people to become extremely hungry (who then shoplift) then indirectly they are taking part in a system where one group of the public (based on this system, those who can't find anything better do while they sit around at home surfing the net) being paid to spy on others and 'turning them in.'

    There are so many things wrong with this idea I can't be bothered to list them all, but I can't believe that people can't immediately see why promoting this idea could lead to it backfiring on them and harming them (and everybody else) in the long run, in the worst ways imaginable.

    If you think that this is a great idea, then my advice is for you to watch your back when the SHTF. There are a million other business ideas out there that don't push the boundaries of socially acceptable behaviour in this current environment.

    You could argue that shoplifting is not socially acceptable behaviour, but there are reasonable deterrents currently in place that don't involve turning one impoverished group of ordinary people against another similar group via rewards from businesses in a manner that is divisive and potentially dangerous.

    How about if we incentivise ordinary people for spying on and reporting the whole gamut of 'unacceptable behaviour' (who decides what is or is not?) and take a cut for doing so? Where do we stop? Where are the boundaries? What happens when we scale it up and half of the population are employed to spy on the rest?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Thanks for your reply although I'm not sure where you're coming from on quite a few of your points raised.

      I can somewhat understand where you're coming from since this could be perceived as some sort of vigilante activity bordering on big brother spying, which fair enough might be getting your goat.

      Conversely on the other hand, take the recent police campaign over the Christmas period to dob in your working colleagues, friends, and family for drinking too much and then being tempted to take the car for the drive home.

      One or two police forces were actively encouraging family members and work colleagues to grass up these individuals if they saw them drinking to excess (over the 35mg alcohol limit) and to report them directly to the police in exchange for a cash reward up to £1,000.

      On the one hand, nobody wants to be a grass but on the other side of the same coin, how would you feel if in knowing a work colleague had just left the pub after downing 2-3 pints of beer, jumped in his car and upon driving home hit a kid on his bicycle putting the child in hospital or worse, killing said child as a direct result of his being over the drink drive limit.

      Weighing up the risks, would you feel better not reporting this geezer or reporting him to help prevent a possible accident from taking place?

      With shoplifting, now it might be perceived that this is a victimless crime. Fact is though, we all have to pay higher prices in store because of the activities of selfish and greedy shoplifters.

      It's hurts me in my pocket and you in your pocket when somebody steals from somebody else in the retail sector when I/you have to dig deeper into my/your spare cash to make up for the incurred losses which came about because this thief got away scot free.

      Using CCTV monitoring in this case, helping shop owners and retail unit store owners to catch shoplifters red handed in the act helps everyone but the thief.

      Surely this has to be a good thing over and above the downside you're obviously seeing?

      As regards the actual business idea itself, all points of difference aside, it is but one idea I'm throwing out there. Often in my line of work, I come across some beauty ideas which with a little bit of tweaking, adjustments made can be adapted, swiped and deployed if you like to another niche which just may benefit someone else.

      This is the entire purpose of this thread. Simply to share what some might believe is a good idea which when implemented locally in their town or city not only provides a much needed in demand service but also helps the greater community at large not to mention directly helping someone with trying to get a new business angle off the ground.

      As I said, it is but one idea. It's not an answer to everyone's prayers but it might be the solution just one person is looking for. If this helps just one person to do this - mission accomplished.

      Smoking hot,


      Mark Andrews
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Mark,

        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        One or two police forces were actively encouraging family members and work colleagues to grass up these individuals if they saw them drinking to excess (over the 35mg alcohol limit) and to report them directly to the police in exchange for a cash reward up to £1,000.
        You point out that we all pay the price of shoplifting, but we also pay the price of paid narks (IE the example above - who pays the £1000?)

        My point is this - there are much better ways of discouraging criminal activities.

        A particularly poor way is to incentivise ordinary members of society to spy on and report on other ordinary members of society, due to the possible consequences.

        Add to this that those doing the spying are likely to be at home with nothing better to do, possibly those who are desperate for income. With society in the current state it is in, with the threats to liberty we are experiencing in the Western world, these type of ideas are particularly ominous in my opinion and should not be encouraged, particularly when there are millions of other business ideas which could be recommended that don't have the same possible downside.

        Does that explain?
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        • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
          The business model exists. If there are businesses willing to pay for the service and "workers" willing to perform said service, why is it not a viable business?

          Do businesses not have cameras trained on customers? Do they not employ security guards and implement security measures? Why not this model? Because we feel it is yet another intrusion into our privacy? We are in public where anyone's and everyone's eyes can be upon us.

          My own fears of our crumbling liberties have more to do with the private spaces I inhabit than the public eye which most of us on this forum clamor for to one degree or another.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi professorrosado,

            If there are businesses willing to pay for the service and "workers" willing to perform said service, why is it not a viable business?
            I don't think anyone said that it wasn't viable.

            But it's whether it's 'a good idea to recommend this' that was being questioned.

            They are two different things.

            If the yardstick used to decide whether something is 'a good idea' is simply whether there are customers willing to pay and workers willing to work, then there are a few choice and very lucrative professions that could be recommended to warriors, although they're probably not for the faint hearted or socially conscious.

            Do businesses not have cameras trained on customers? Do they not employ security guards and implement security measures? Why not this model?
            That was answered here -

            There's nothing wrong with businesses employing private security guards and business communities working in synergy to reduce crime against their businesses - as they do right now.

            But you enter vastly different territory when you incentivise people sitting at home with nothing better to do than trying to earn rewards for spying on and reporting people in their local community for crimes against businesses in their community.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


              Does that explain?
              Yes and no.

              It explains your position, your take on this but that's all. What it doesn't do is provide any real meaningful answer why this isn't a good idea unfortunately.

              I do see where you're coming from but I believe the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages to this system.

              Originally Posted by Michael D Forbes View Post

              I'm not real sure how the reporting and accountability factor works for this, but I can easily envision the misuse and problems that could arise...

              "Watcher" sees someone they don't like and decides to falsely report theft. It would be quite easy to say, "Oh, I guess I was mistaken, it sure looked like it from my angle", while in the meantime someones day is messed up pretty good.

              "Watcher" sees someone they know with an "unauthorized companion"...

              "Watcher" secretly records the video feed and posts it publicly...

              There is so much room for abuse here.

              Interesting idea, but I would be livid if I knew a business I frequent had authorized an untrained army of bounty hunting voyeurs to peep on all my comings and goings.

              I just can't see this working. Every time someone puts their hand in their pocket would be an occasion for some over eager watcher to call an alarm.
              You've obviously not read entirely all the way through what it is they actually do. If you had done so you would have undoubtedly seen a few of your concerns have been answered in their business model as explained on their website.

              Sidenote: With over 8,000 retail premises, shop / store owners signed up to the service each paying a monthly fee for this scheme, I'd say it's already a viable business. Wouldn't you?

              Clearly these 8,000 customers clearly demonstrates the need for this service and the fact the demand is there based on the unique benefits this business model has to offer. Therein lies the proof in the pudding.


              Mark Andrews
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
                Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

                You've obviously not read entirely all the way through what it is they actually do. If you had done so you would have undoubtedly seen a few of your concerns have been answered in their business model as explained on their website.
                You are correct, I didn't have the proper motivation to dig into something that I feel is a bad thing from the start. Knee-jerk reaction on my part, I suppose. I still don't like it, even if all my concerns were addressed. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

                Out of curiosity Mark, do you live in the UK?
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            • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
              The basic difference in opinion is related to the context of the forum. This is a marketing forum, not a social thermometer or personal opinion pollster. Valid arguments involving these issues as they relate to IM are great and of great value.

              The OP initiated the thread asking the community to "improve" this concept and finding better implementation of it for local marketing efforts.

              This is the gist of the OP's intent - not espousing this as an "acceptable" model or not. Many Warriors find porn as not acceptable, yet it is still a viable model with need for advice and support from knowledgeable and experienced warriors. I don't espouse it, but why should I condemn a Warrior who actively indulges in said niche? It is still a product and a service which needs to be marketed just like any other niche on the Forum.

              How I promote or demote any niche in my private / public posits should not interfere with the purposes of the Warrior Forum and its community of experts in any niche or business model.

              I'm just of the opinion that we should separate our personal opinion from the technical / professional aspects of the industry that this Forum serves.
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              • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                Hi Mark,

                What it doesn't do is provide any real meaningful answer why this isn't a good idea unfortunately.
                I did do that, but you refuse to see it.

                Hi professorrosado,

                Many Warriors find porn as not acceptable, yet it is still a viable model with need for advice and support from knowledgeable and experienced warriors. I don't espouse it, but why should I condemn a Warrior who actively indulges in said niche? It is still a product and a service which needs to be marketed just like any other niche on the Forum.
                Fair point. Good luck with your disarmament over there. I hope no impoverished Americans are being incentivised by 'businesses' to snitch on those who keep hidden guns or things could get ugly, but not for the people causing the problem.

                It's all good though and anything goes as long as someone makes a profit. Screw your neighbours and the rest of society. We're all 'warriors' here, our allegiance is to the mighty pound/dollar, too busy making dough to consider consequences.
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
                  Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                  Good luck with your disarmament over there. I hope no impoverished Americans are being incentivised by 'businesses' to snitch on those who keep hidden guns or things could get ugly, but not for the people causing the problem.
                  Where's the two thumbs up button? Oops, it's about to get political in here...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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                    Originally Posted by Michael D Forbes View Post


                    Out of curiosity Mark, do you live in the UK?
                    Yep sure do. On the road full time as a digital nomad. Although I have lived abroad on and off too, most notably in the United States during my stint as a private consultant to the senior vice president of Well's Fargo Bank (customer care division).

                    Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


                    I did do that, but you refuse to see it.
                    Pardon me?

                    I explained to you I do see your point and I addressed it. The fact I disagree with your point raised does not mean it's not been acknowledged or your points raised answered.


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                • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
                  Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                  Fair point. Good luck with your disarmament over there. I hope no impoverished Americans are being incentivised by 'businesses' to snitch on those who keep hidden guns or things could get ugly, but not for the people causing the problem.

                  It's all good though and anything goes as long as someone makes a profit. Screw your neighbours and the rest of society. We're all 'warriors' here, our allegiance is to the mighty pound/dollar, too busy making dough to consider consequences.
                  Hidden guns are a matter of law here - not business.
                  And yes, it is our neighborly & civic responsibility to report unlawful activity.

                  Why should a hidden gun go unreported? So that it may be used on elementary and pre-K children? And what of other abuses - so that our nannies can kill our children after months of undiscovered abuse? Let the cameras roll!

                  Society for you and I is one thing - but for many others, it is another. I care not to keep a sick unlawful society hidden from exposure.

                  The best safeguard to any society is the clarity of understanding - not ignorance.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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                    Professor aside...

                    You know, it really gets on a few people's nerves myself included, when in trying just to be helpful on this forum, no other motive involved, all one seems to run into these days here at this place is constant bitching and in house fighting posted up just for the sake of it.

                    Look! There was nothing in it for me posting this up here okay. It was and still is just a suggestion. That's all it was. Nothing more. Nothing less. Take it for what it is rather than posting up a load of unrelated nonsense.

                    To be perfectly frank with you, the more I post here the less I want to help other people. Each time one tries to do so, just to receive these kind of responses makes one wonder, "What the hell am I doing this for when this time spent trying simply to help other people, could be time spent on my own business?"

                    Lesson learned I guess, no more help from me on this forum, I've had it up to here in recent weeks with some of the attitudes in this place. I'm done with it. No more. My patience has finally completely and utterly run out.


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                    • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
                      Mark, if the good people shut up, then the ignorant reign.
                      I know how frustrating it is - but there are always new people who need help and then what? Are we going to let the nay sayers have them suckled with bitter milk?

                      I say, just as they be abstinent in narrowness of thought, let us be (even more so) abstinent in educating those who wish it. Be the number few at best, over time, some headway may be earned if evolution is indeed our origination.

                      And if not, I am vindicated either way!
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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                        Nope. I'm done with this.

                        They'll be no more free help from me on this forum again. I've had it up to here with many of the attitudes displayed on here lately.

                        From here on in, if somebody wants my help like everything else in life, if they want the help and advice, it's going to be charged for.

                        Me? I'm putting my business first now from here on in. Thankfully my business doesn't depend on this place.

                        People have said before many times, the advice I've shared here often, has been worth tens of thousands of dollars. It's not going to happen again. Like many others before me, I'm disappearing.


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                        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                          Hi Mark,

                          Apologies if I caused you to feel that way, that wasn't my intention.

                          I can delete my posts in this thread if that helps to get your thread back on topic?
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                          • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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                            Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


                            I can delete my posts in this thread if that helps to get your thread back on topic?
                            That wouldn't set a very good example Roger.
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                            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                              Hi Les,

                              Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                              That wouldn't set a very good example Roger.
                              Yes, you're right. At the end of the day it's a discussion forum and the most value I personally get is from the discussions/debates here, often the strongest disagreements! I presume that it's the same for others. If no one ever presented a conflicting/dissenting point of view it would be just another article directory.

                              I guess my guilt stems from the fact that I like Mark and his contributions plus I did push the limits of the rules, as it was me that brought the political point of view into the discussion. I tried to do it kind of discreetly, but because there were misunderstandings I ended up elaborating and.....

                              Mark made contact with me and there's no ongoing problem between us.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                                Mark made contact with me and there's no ongoing problem between us.
                                Thanks for saying so, Roger. I know I won't have been the only person (otherwise) distressed by this thread, who likes and respects both of you.
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                              • Profile picture of the author butters
                                I am curious on the legal aspect of this... My mother was told she is not allowed to broadcast pictures of criminals who broke into her premisis online because it may backfire on her if they find the suspect and take them to court. If a crime has been caught on camera which is widely available to people, how would that affect the overall outcome of the case? What about underage criminals? Isn't it illegal to show their face and name (In the UK I am speaking).
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                                • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                                  Other than my displeasure with the site Mark linked to starting me off with something I hadn't seen in years - a popup telling me the site was optimized for Chrome and Firefox, and that I should install one of those before proceeding - my questions/comments were about whether or not such a system would work within US law.

                                  Even law enforcement agencies which have attempted to publish photos taken by automated cameras of drivers running red lights have been challenged. One such case that made the rounds claimed that publishing said photo held the violator up to public ridicule, and therefore constituted 'cruel and unusual punishment'.

                                  I certainly wasn't trying to yank Mark's chain...
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                                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                  Originally Posted by butters View Post

                                  If a crime has been caught on camera which is widely available to people, how would that affect the overall outcome of the case?
                                  Hi Lee, I think the argument is that it makes it harder for the defendant to get a fair trial by jury. If there's been adverse publicity identifying him before the trial starts, it potentially "contaminates the jury-pool". There've certainly been criminal convictions overturned on appeal, when the defence has successfully demonstrated to the Court of Appeal that one or more of the jurors had seen anything about the accused in the media before serving on the jury. I'm not sure how widely, or realistically, this still applies, now that jury trials are becoming so much rarer, but I think that's the theory, anyway. "Identification evidence" (especially from video) is sometimes not nearly as clearcut as one might imagine, and can quite easily be more prejudicial than probative ...
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                          • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
                            I don't want to cause any more argument on this thread but I do wonder about the legality of this scheme in the UK. I work in a large store and the privacy laws do not allow us to show what the CCTV has filmed to anybody but the police. We shouldn't even show it the rest of the staff unless they are involved in an incident.

                            Knowing that, how can it be right I wonder, that random members of the public can sign up to an Internet site to watch in store CCTV? As a retail worker I would also feel uncomfortable if I knew that my company was taking part in a scheme like this. We all know that the CCTV can be played back and watched, but at least there would have to be an incident to cause the viewing. With this scheme anybody could watch (for a small registration fee!!!) Probably earning a pittance for the privilege of being bored to death by CCTV for countless hours without even an hourly wage, but busy bodies might not care about that.

                            My experience as a retail worker also tells me that this idea is flawed, I'll give some examples.

                            At least 3 times a week thieves come into the shop and fill large bags or shopping baskets with meat (worth between £50 and £100 each time) then leg it. We manage to foil at least 3 other meat thefts per week through luck or customer/staff vigilance.

                            The same happens with booze, H & B or baby products. Meat, H & B and baby products are often pre ordered from the shoplifters by people in pubs - they probably nick the booze for themselves to celebrate.

                            Large groups of children from the local school come in on their way to school or lunchtime, it's surprising just how many sandwiches, hot pies, chocolate, crisps, sweets and drinks have disappeared when we do our regular stock checks.

                            Warnings going to email or smartphone - waste of time. By the time anybody would see and have time to act upon these warnings the thieves would have legged it. If you get there in time you may be threatened verbally or with weapons - even needles, pushed out of the way or punched. You are not allowed to do anything but touch a thief's elbow or you could get charged with assault.

                            Yes they are on CCTV, but most of the time when the incidents are shown to the police thieves don't look up at the cameras and often wear baseball caps or hoods and are unrecognisable.

                            One incident involved a guy in a mask waving a gun around in front of the tills at a time of day when the shop was full of frightened young children. I was up in the office and rang the police straight away. I was told to watch the CCTV and give an account of what was happening as it happened. The thief made the assistants at the tills empty them then left the shop. The police turned up at least 15 minutes after he'd gone but they caught him. He didn't get prosecuted despite the mask with his fingerprints being found outside the shop and his DNA being on one of the assistant's arms from when he grabbed and threatened her. Not enough proof!!!

                            Would anything have been different with this warning system with any of these examples? I doubt it and that's why I think this business concept is flawed for my shop and many thousands of other stores in the same national group at the least.

                            By far the best loss prevention we've had in all of the years that I've worked there has been a security guard on the door, but that only happens for a short time after the worst thefts. Staffing budgets don't run to security guards, but it would be better spent on them than this big brother scheme.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    I'm not real sure how the reporting and accountability factor works for this, but I can easily envision the misuse and problems that could arise...

    "Watcher" sees someone they don't like and decides to falsely report theft. It would be quite easy to say, "Oh, I guess I was mistaken, it sure looked like it from my angle", while in the meantime someones day is messed up pretty good.

    "Watcher" sees someone they know with an "unauthorized companion"...

    "Watcher" secretly records the video feed and posts it publicly...

    There is so much room for abuse here.

    Interesting idea, but I would be livid if I knew a business I frequent had authorized an untrained army of bounty hunting voyeurs to peep on all my comings and goings.

    I just can't see this working. Every time someone puts their hand in their pocket would be an occasion for some over eager watcher to call an alarm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post


    Looks like someone is seriously bored to stumble over an article like that and give it actual thought.

    The concept is flawed at best in the UK at least.

    Reporting suspicious activity is useless.

    ...

    So something like this is not going to work, it's just for busy bodies with nothing better to do.
    Your reading comprehension must be severely lacking (again).

    Since this business model only recently launched and it's already gaining good momentum with 8,000 sign ups from retailers, this clearly demonstrates the need is there for this business model and it's already a runaway success story growing in numbers all the time.

    Seriously bored eh?

    Do you really want to back up this statement or is this just another one of your utterly useless and pointless little jabs which you seem so fond of firing off?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      First off, I was turned off when the first thing I saw was a popup telling me I was using the wrong browser. It set the tone for what came next.

      Even if 8,000 businesses signed up for this, the possibilities for abuse are daunting.

      I'm not even sure such a system would fly in the USA if anyone actually challenged it. The Constitution has a little proviso about an accused person having the right to face their accuser. Even if allowed, it might be very difficult to gain a conviction on the evidence of some anonymous shut-in with a profit motive...
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    Mark, Please don't disappear. This forum would be a poorer place without you in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    Well, shucks, I certainly didn't mean to be a contributor to this outcome, if I was. Sorry Mark, I thought I was just putting in my 2 cents. I don't like the concept one bit, but that has nothing to do with your willingness to share here.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    If the forum loses Mark's valuable input as a result of this thread I have to say that I am more than a little disappointed in the members who have caused it to happen. He has helped a LOT of people here (myself included). I know I can keep in touch as I have his email address but that is not the point. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi laurencewins,

      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!
      I apologised and offered to retract my posts because Mark wasn't happy, that wasn't my intention and Mark's a good bloke, but I'm pretty sure I've got nothing to be ashamed of - ultimately, I'm not responsible for someone elses reaction to me disagreeing with their point of view in a discussion forum.

      Why do you suggest I should be ashamed?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      If the forum loses Mark's valuable input as a result of this thread I have to say that I am more than a little disappointed in the members who have caused it to happen. He has helped a LOT of people here (myself included). I know I can keep in touch as I have his email address but that is not the point. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!
      Oh PLEASE... I'm wondering why are so many people in this thread apologizing for disagreeing with the OP? Cut it out already.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      If the forum loses Mark's valuable input as a result of this thread I have to say that I am more than a little disappointed in the members who have caused it to happen. He has helped a LOT of people here (myself included). I know I can keep in touch as I have his email address but that is not the point. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!
      You can't be serious.
      Anyone that can't take someone disagreeing with them,
      just shouldn't be starting threads here.
      End of story.
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  • Profile picture of the author Myles Sinclair
    Originally Posted by JohnTimmins View Post

    Oh, I thought that this thread is useful to me because of business concept thing above. But I noticed that it is more on advertising your website.
    Really? What bit of information brought you to that conclusion? I can't see that it has anything to do with advertising websites.
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