How many people are regularly making some kind of money?

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I've heard both sides of the story -- that everyone is a newbie making nothing, and that newbies only make up 30% and that everyone is making some money. I'm just curious as to how well everyone is doing on average.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      Polls like this, which crop up on here over and over again, are a total waste of time and effort because they ask the wrong question.

      How much a person makes, or claims to make, is not a reflection of their methods, but on their attitude.

      I myself make a good full time income online. A friend of mine, who has largely the same skillset and methods, makes probably three times what I make. Why? Because she is driven to make as much money as possible whereas I am driven by making enough to be able to put my feet up!

      Some people may make $100 a month and be classed as failures according to polls like the OP has created. However that same person might have only ever started out with the intention of making a bit of extra pocket money and so is a great success by their own standards.

      I have learned in my years of making my living online that the only thing that matters is my own bottom line. I am not in the slightest bit bothered by anyone else's income.

      If everyone concentrated on defining their own success rather than worrying about how they measure up to other people, they might just find that Internet marketing is more satisfying than they expected. And the Warrior Forum might have a lot fewer pointless threads.

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      • Profile picture of the author Subseven
        Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

        Polls like this, which crop up on here over and over again, are a total waste of time and effort because they ask the wrong question.

        How much a person makes, or claims to make, is not a reflection of their methods, but on their attitude.
        How is it the wrong question though? You can't say that unless you have a specific purpose in mind. Maybe it's not the information you are looking for, but that doesn't mean it's the same for others. For me, it doesn't really tell you much since drawing conclusions from these kinds of polls is not accurate, but it's still interesting to see that a lot of people are making a decent chunk of money online. :-)
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    Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

    I've heard both sides of the story -- that everyone is a newbie making nothing, and that newbies only make up 30% and that everyone is making some money. I'm just curious as to how well everyone is doing on average.
    Great Question (Asked hundreds of times here on the forum) So, lets start it off with you. According to your signature you have been at it for 5 years, so, How much do you make?

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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Just a heads up..

      I added a poll feature to this so we can see some genuine (anonymous) data rather than just people with some success or absolute failure.
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      Great Question (Asked hundreds of times here on the forum) So, lets start it off with you. According to your signature you have been at it for 5 years, so, How much do you make?

      al
      I'd fit into the part time section right now, but as I've been branching out, I've started to make more regular money and I'm hoping to be truly self-supporting by the end of the year (my New Years resolution).


      I'm also a student (junior in CS with an A.S. degree going for my B.S.), but I worked for a year at a decent paying job and chose an affordable college so I will be debt free when I get out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

    I've heard both sides of the story -- that everyone is a newbie making nothing, and that newbies only make up 30% and that everyone is making some money. I'm just curious as to how well everyone is doing on average.
    The majority of people aren't going to disclose any true numbers to you for a good reason. You more than likely wouldn't want to either if you were making money on a regular basis (or perhaps you are).

    There are plenty of people here making money of some sort (whether it be insignificant, or whether it be enough for them to be financially "free").

    You also have people who spend all day talking about how much money they make because they want to be someone different online than who they are offline. That's also part of the reason why MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Games) are so popular. You can be anyone you want on the internet instead of having to face the reality.

    However, the majority of people are definitely not going to pop in here and tell you how much money they're making, and the majority of people who do are lying. Also, a lot of people still have 9-5 jobs or regular jobs they commit too, so it's not a full time gig for them.

    Who cares how much others are making though, the world is full of people making far more money than you, I or a lot of other people I know (combined). Instead, we should be focusing on how much money we can make today and in the future.

    In order to do that, what's the first thing we should focus on? What problems can we solve for our clients or our customers? Once you answer that question, you're one step closer to making money for yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

      The majority of people aren't going to disclose any true numbers to you for a good reason. You more than likely wouldn't want to either if you were making money on a regular basis (or perhaps you are).

      There are plenty of people here making money of some sort (whether it be insignificant, or whether it be enough for them to be financially "free").

      You also have people who spend all day talking about how much money they make because they want to be someone different online than who they are offline. That's also part of the reason why MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Games) are so popular. You can be anyone you want on the internet instead of having to face the reality.

      However, the majority of people are definitely not going to pop in here and tell you how much money they're making, and the majority of people who do are lying. Also, a lot of people still have 9-5 jobs or regular jobs they commit too, so it's not a full time gig for them.

      Who cares how much others are making though, the world is full of people making far more money than you, I or a lot of other people I know (combined). Instead, we should be focusing on how much money we can make today and in the future.

      In order to do that, what's the first thing we should focus on? What problems can we solve for our clients or our customers? Once you answer that question, you're one step closer to making money for yourself.
      I'm not talking about myself. I'm genuinely interested in the actual statistics. Numbers rarely lie, and the format of this is set up to prevent that. You never know what you'll find.


      And like I've already stated and restated, this is a poll >> You don't need to explicitly say anything, you can vote anonymously. I hope that clears that up for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
        Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

        I'm not talking about myself. I'm genuinely interested in the actual statistics. Numbers rarely lie, and the format of this is set up to prevent that. You never know what you'll find.


        And like I've already stated and restated, this is a poll >> You don't need to explicitly say anything, you can vote anonymously. I hope that clears that up for you.
        I understand that, but you have to understand, even on the anonymous poll, you'll have people clicking the 6-7 figures option just to click it.

        I can't really agree with the numbers rarely lie statement though, because on the internet, numbers can be fabricated and your numbers can be anything you want them to.

        I understand your curiosity, and I will tell you that there are some people who have million + dollar launches who have built up some rapport in their own community and have their own hungry buyers and some people who have $0 launches and never sell a single service or product.

        As far as anyone coming in here and talking about the actual dollar amount they earn, I'm not sure anyone earning the amount they're claiming on the poll is going to come in here and give a dollar amount. Alexa and numerous others have states in other threads that while they may be making money online, they would highly prefer not to let it known and everyone has their own reasons.

        If I ever walk the lottery or the local bar lottery game here where you can win up to $1,000,000, I wouldn't be waving it around and screaming I WON I WON! Then again, you would probably be stabbed or shot in my bar but that's just an example. I would put the ticket in my pocket subtly and walk out the door calmly.

        People who are earning 6+ figures know how risky it is telling people about how much they earn. You'll have people using the powers of the internet to find your information, trying to find your phone number and call you or possibly trying to find even more personal information. People are a tad crazy like that. It's like the celebrities and the paparazzi that'll engage into car chases with them just to snap pictures of them.

        I do understand your curiosity though, I remember always wondering how much people made and then I had to come to the realization that a good portion of the internet is making whatever they want you to believe they're making.

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        • Profile picture of the author robestrong
          Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

          I understand that, but you have to understand, even on the anonymous poll, you'll have people clicking the 6-7 figures option just to click it.
          Possible sure. But there's no real reason to, and in the long run most of that bias would be eliminated. I do know a number of people who have got that kind of success -- it's not completely out of reach.


          I can't really agree with the numbers rarely lie statement though, because on the internet, numbers can be fabricated and your numbers can be anything you want them to.

          I understand your curiosity, and I will tell you that there are some people who have million + dollar launches who have built up some rapport in their own community and have their own hungry buyers and some people who have $0 launches and never sell a single service or product.

          As far as anyone coming in here and talking about the actual dollar amount they earn, I'm not sure anyone earning the amount they're claiming on the poll is going to come in here and give a dollar amount. Alexa and numerous others have states in other threads that while they may be making money online, they would highly prefer not to let it known and everyone has their own reasons.

          If I ever walk the lottery or the local bar lottery game here where you can win up to $1,000,000, I wouldn't be waving it around and screaming I WON I WON! Then again, you would probably be stabbed or shot in my bar but that's just an example. I would put the ticket in my pocket subtly and walk out the door calmly.
          Yet again, I'm not asking people to step up and name numbers, or how they did it, I'm just asking them to click a button in an anonymous poll. It's not risky at all, I don't know where you're getting this risky -- people will track you down and stab you/ask you a million questions mentality. If no one knows who you are, that's just not possible.

          People who are earning 6+ figures know how risky it is telling people about how much they earn. You'll have people using the powers of the internet to find your information, trying to find your phone number and call you or possibly trying to find even more personal information. People are a tad crazy like that. It's like the celebrities and the paparazzi that'll engage into car chases with them just to snap pictures of them.

          I do understand your curiosity though, I remember always wondering how much people made and then I had to come to the realization that a good portion of the internet is making whatever they want you to believe they're making.

          Corey
          Again -- no risk is involved -- it's a 100% anonymous poll. I just made a post because I need a post to create a poll. I just want to be able to gauge the general success rather than the perceived success as is always piped to us that 90% of people in IM fail and leave.
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    to be honest, I currently make less than $1/day. but its still something
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisWilliams
    The online world is no different then the results outside of internet marketing. I heard that 1% of the population makes like 96% of all the income. That is crazy because that means that 99% are just making 4% of all income. But anything that is worthwhile in life is going to be hard to get. About 1% plays professional sports. About 1% makes great money with MLM. The list goes on and on. But it is nothing in the rule book that says that you can't be in the top 1%
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Although a few months ago I might have agreed with you, I'll actually have to disagree with you on this one. It might seem that way, but I think that most people don't make money for reasons other than that they aren't on the highest level -- I think most people can eventually, given enough willpower and ingenuity, get to a sustainable level via IM.

      MLM undoubtedly works that way, with very fixed percentages, but I don't actually believe that Internet Marketing functions that way.

      But the only way to find out besides common sense hunches (which, on a grand scale such as this have repeatedly been shown to be often wrong), is by actually polling/surveying. Which is why I'm doing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author azlanhussain
    I always tell myself, if I fail to build my own business online...
    I don't think it'll be much easier/better out there in the real world.

    So just focus, and keep on doing...


    That was 6 years back
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Originally Posted by azlanhussain View Post

      I always tell myself, if I fail to build my own business online...
      I don't think it'll be much easier/better out there in the real world.

      So just focus, and keep on doing...


      That was 6 years back
      My thoughts exactly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin
      Originally Posted by azlanhussain View Post

      I always tell myself, if I fail to build my own business online...
      I don't think it'll be much easier/better out there in the real world.

      So just focus, and keep on doing...

      That was 6 years back
      Yep, I came from the same place. Basically the only thing I ever could do (and be happy) was build an online business. I worked in various jobs for 7 years before that and I just felt my brain rotting everyday.

      I've been a full time IM for nearly 3 years now and I'm so glad I'll never have a job again!
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      • Profile picture of the author malcsimm
        Hi robestrong

        Short answer: few people are making much at all.

        I conducted a survey 3 months ago of my own list of buyers, and:

        - 94.5% were earning from zero to $1000 a month regularly
        - 90% from zero to $500, and
        - 86.5% between zero and $250 a month.

        "Over $5,000 a month" was 3% and "$2,500 to $5,000 a month" was 1.5%.

        My take is (not just from this survey, also having worked on a few decent sized product launches): there are a lot of people hurting out there.

        They have put a lot of effort in (often miguided effort) and may well have spend a wad of cash and are getting very few results for their efforts.

        If you worked on a help desk for a product launch for a few days you would soon get to realise how clueless - through no fault of their own - very many people are who are trying to break into IM.

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        • Profile picture of the author robestrong
          Originally Posted by malcsimm View Post

          Hi robestrong

          Short answer: few people are making much at all.

          I conducted a survey 3 months ago of my own list of buyers, and:

          - 94.5% were earning from zero to $1000 a month regularly
          - 90% from zero to $500, and
          - 86.5% between zero and $250 a month.

          "Over $5,000 a month" was 3% and "$2,500 to $5,000 a month" was 1.5%.

          My take is (not just from this survey, also having worked on a few decent sized product launches): there are a lot of people hurting out there.

          They have put a lot of effort in (often miguided effort) and may well have spend a wad of cash and are getting very few results for their efforts.

          If you worked on a help desk for a product launch for a few days you would soon get to realise how clueless - through no fault of their own - very many people are who are trying to break into IM.

          Cheeers!
          Although to be fair, people who fill out your survey are most likely by default biased one way or another, the same could very easily be said for this (or almost any) survey.

          Regardless, on that kind of a scale (based on your percentages I'm guessing it was in the several hundred to a thousand range in terms of responses), it's interesting to see how the numbers turn out. Thank you very much for sharing this.

          Although I hate to believe that IM fits roughly into a pyramid shape in the same way that MLM does (one of the reasons why I made this survey), those numbers provide some compelling evidence for the theory.

          Of course that would mean that IM is far more an internal system than an external one. A pyramid shape is highly indicative of a zero-sum financial system (where any money earned stays in the system, and money is only "made" within the system). Presumably it would only be a lose system, but still roughly a zero sum system, give or take say, 12.5% of fringe income.

          I'd be very interested in learning what percentage of earnings (across the board) actually come from outside of this industry as opposed to with it or from the pockets of people in it. Although it would be impossible to get a number like this, it would be very telling.

          Also, despite bias, this survey seems to be slowly and roughly fitting into that model.
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        • Profile picture of the author im1217
          Then you wonder why people go crazy when you ask "Why don't you just go to college and get a real job?"


          Originally Posted by malcsimm View Post

          Hi robestrong

          Short answer: few people are making much at all.

          I conducted a survey 3 months ago of my own list of buyers, and:

          - 94.5% were earning from zero to $1000 a month regularly
          - 90% from zero to $500, and
          - 86.5% between zero and $250 a month.

          "Over $5,000 a month" was 3% and "$2,500 to $5,000 a month" was 1.5%.

          My take is (not just from this survey, also having worked on a few decent sized product launches): there are a lot of people hurting out there.

          They have put a lot of effort in (often miguided effort) and may well have spend a wad of cash and are getting very few results for their efforts.

          If you worked on a help desk for a product launch for a few days you would soon get to realise how clueless - through no fault of their own - very many people are who are trying to break into IM.

          Cheeers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    Yet again, I'm not asking people to step up and name numbers, or how they did it, I'm just asking them to click a button in an anonymous poll. It's not risky at all, I don't know where you're getting this risky -- people will track you down and stab you/ask you a million questions mentality. If no one knows who you are, that's just not possible.
    I understand what you're saying, I was just giving you my general insight, even on an anonymous poll.

    As for the "not being possible" part, you would actually be surprised at much information you can find on someone, even when they're using a fake character name on the internet with the power of Google. I used someone's Alias name to track them down about 6 months ago after they shorted me out of a job and refused to pay me. I found out they were banned from the forums here, found their address, other personal information and all of this while he was behind a fake name.

    How? I had a lot of time on my hands and I knew what to look for. He shortly paid up after his personal e-mail got a surprise e-mail in it. I kind of wish I could have seen the "oh crap" look on his face.. I also feel bad at the same time for all the other people that never got their money back (from what I understand he scammed dozens of people).

    Anyways, I know what you're saying, I was just saying, some people will lie on an anonymous poll as well

    90% of people in IM fail and leave.
    A lot of people fail because they give up. You CAN NEVER fail until you simply give up. It's true that the majority of your ventures and your business ideas will bust or won't make squat. If it were THAT EASY to make a killing, we would all be rich and then by default we would all be poor again.

    I will never understand why so many people give up so early because there's so much potential out there waiting on people who want to apply themselves.

    Also, a lot of people give up in this business because it's simply not for them. It takes a specific mindset to really make it in this business. You have to be someone who doesn't have a fear of success and doesn't mind getting knocked down 100 times only to get back up again.

    One of my favorite Frank Kern quotes stated: 99% of what you're going to do will ultimately fail and everyone has embarrassing failures before they make it big. Hell, I was even sued by the FTC, but it's that 1% that makes it totally worth it in the end.

    If you don't know who he is, he's one of those people who launches expensive products to a massive list and makes millions every single launch. He's a brilliant man if you ever see some of his videos and look at the inside workings of his business model.

    I like polls like this myself because I like to see the results in the end but just don't live by them and hold yourself to a guaranteed standard of what these people click. I understand, it's anonymous, but even in an anonymous poll, you would honestly be surprised who clicks the highest number possible just for the hell of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

      As for the "not being possible" part, you would actually be surprised at much information you can find on someone, even when they're using a fake character name on the internet with the power of Google. I used someone's Alias name to track them down about 6 months ago after they shorted me out of a job and refused to pay me. I found out they were banned from the forums here, found their address, other personal information and all of this while he was behind a fake name.
      Again -- you don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying. They are not putting down their username, they are not putting down their email, they are not posting -- they just have to fill out the poll. I know about the hacking end of it, and I'm telling you it's not feasible by any stretch short of hacking into the (by now well secured) Warrior Forum just to learn who may be earning 6-7 figures a year or may just be lying. It's absurd to the nth degree.

      I feel like I'm not being clear here. It's an anonymous poll.. I'm counting based on the bars above my initial post, not based on the comments in this thread. You don't get a false character name, you just get which one they voted for.

      Again, (for about the third or fourth time) I am not asking them to post. Hence, you have nothing to track them by. You could only do that if you were running the Warrior Forum and knew how to hack into the poll, and if you were running the Warrior Forum you wouldn't care. I'm stressing this so much because you don't seem to get what I'm trying to say.

      I hope that clears that up.

      In terms of people intentionally choosing a false option, that might be true for the 6-7 figures option (and it also might not be true), but if someone was going to lie, why would they say they were living full time, or hadn't made a dollar? It just doesn't make sense. And again, in general, on average, we can get at least a relatively accurate number.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

        I feel like I'm not being clear here. It's an anonymous poll.. I'm counting based on the bars above my initial post, not based on the comments in this thread. You don't get a false character name, you just get which one they voted for.
        How charmingly naive you are

        You are being clear - you're just wrong.

        I've been coming to this forum for over 10 years and I've seen a lot of polls like this and I've run polls myself - they're NEVER accurate.

        As much as you seem to be trying to justify why people won't click an answer which is not true - they do.

        I've given up trying to rationalise why it happens and I'm not going to keep on trying to convince you, but Corey already told you several times and he's right. You don't have to accept that but don't assume that your thinking is 100% correct and fool yourself that you have 'true statistics' for this.
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        • Profile picture of the author robestrong
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          How charmingly naive you are

          You are being clear - you're just wrong.

          I've been coming to this forum for over 10 years and I've seen a lot of polls like this and I've run polls myself - they're NEVER accurate.

          As much as you seem to be trying to justify why people won't click an answer which is not true - they do.

          I've given up trying to rationalise why it happens and I'm not going to keep on trying to convince you, but Corey already told you several times and he's right. You don't have to accept that but don't assume that your thinking is 100% correct and fool yourself that you have 'true statistics' for this.
          Regardless of bias -- he can't track someone down if they don't put their username in. That's what I'm so incredulous that he doesn't seem to get as he tries to explain his prowess...

          Additionally, it's easy to go along with fabricated statistics, but this is as close we can get to any real numbers. Hence by default it's closer than anything you might guess, regardless of whether or not it aligns with what you personally think are the actual numbers.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustSellCoffee
    In general, I would guess, 90% of people make between 0 and 300/year. To make more you need to have a strong network already in place and a supportive upline. With binary's there is an advantage because once you sponsor your 2 distributor legs other will help sponsor more people below those. But it is work and not always easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author SurrealPSD
    I make regular, ok money - but that's through providing services
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  • Profile picture of the author pawlu68
    I do believe that it is possible even for newbies to make some money on line. Although ... one cannot expect quick windfalls ... notwithstanding the various offers and promises out there.

    Build a list ... nurture a list ... promote the right products or create something which delivers quality ... and people will buy from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author arranrice
    I make "BURSTS" of cash... Sometimes good money, sometimes not. Its not enough to live on exactly. My plan for this year is to make half of what I need to make to work full time online, that is £12,000 which is: $19242, which is... $1600/month.

    I think $1600 a month is doable. I have lots of things going at the moment.. 14 sites up for sale, a wordpress theme almost ready to sell and adsense sites in the making I hope this year will be a good year for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
    Before 2012, I also had random bursts of cash. Usually from a WSO that I ran. Sometimes got a Clickbank check, but those weren't big. That all changed in mid-2012 when I got into Kindle. My Jan and Feb 2012 Kindle checks were both about $18. Then I got one for $250. Then a big one for $750; then dropped a little, then a little higher, and now it steadily is growing. I know the Dec/Jan ones will be bigger due to the Xmas Kindle rush, but those are flukes.

    I'd say just with Kindle I'm averaging close to $1000 per month, with Dec/Jan probably earning me $2-3K for each month most likely. I'll just keep writing books and hoping that one hits it big like my #1 best seller. It's the best passive income I've ever created online.

    I have a plan to work on some WSO's this year that will hopefully get me from 4 to 5 figures per month overall. Video marketing will also be a big part of my 2013 income plan.
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Originally Posted by arranrice View Post

      I make "BURSTS" of cash... Sometimes good money, sometimes not. Its not enough to live on exactly. My plan for this year is to make half of what I need to make to work full time online, that is £12,000 which is: $19242, which is... $1600/month.

      I think $1600 a month is doable. I have lots of things going at the moment.. 14 sites up for sale, a wordpress theme almost ready to sell and adsense sites in the making I hope this year will be a good year for me.
      Originally Posted by BoomBlogger View Post

      Before 2012, I also had random bursts of cash. Usually from a WSO that I ran. Sometimes got a Clickbank check, but those weren't big. That all changed in mid-2012 when I got into Kindle. My Jan and Feb 2012 Kindle checks were both about $18. Then I got one for $250. Then a big one for $750; then dropped a little, then a little higher, and now it steadily is growing. I know the Dec/Jan ones will be bigger due to the Xmas Kindle rush, but those are flukes.

      I'd say just with Kindle I'm averaging close to $1000 per month, with Dec/Jan probably earning me $2-3K for each month most likely. I'll just keep writing books and hoping that one hits it big like my #1 best seller. It's the best passive income I've ever created online.

      I have a plan to work on some WSO's this year that will hopefully get me from 4 to 5 figures per month overall. Video marketing will also be a big part of my 2013 income plan.
      This seems to be a recurring theme, that for the most part I've also noticed, although as you say, one technique is just to make the bursts closer together. I'm in the midst of trying this and getting some lower level cash streams in.
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  • Profile picture of the author rajeevsh
    Few people do, but there are some who disclose what they do (as Matthew does above — great blog Matthew). There are others, too, for instance Pat Flynn who does a great job of not only making money but also documenting what he does.

    If I had to venture a guess, I'd guess less than 2%. But that number was pulled out of thin air and wouldn't mean anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    What you have to start doing is

    "stop looking at what people are selling"

    instead

    "look at how they are selling it"

    there is no secret to making money online

    there is a learning curve the same as anything you do but unfortunately the mindset of the average person has absolutely no patients and commitment

    that's just human nature and it will always be like that

    however the few that take this stuff serious and really do their homework and work and work and work and work until they see results, they are the ones which come out on top

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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    The other thing to bear in mind with online 'earnings' is that many IM newbies completely ignore how much they're spending.

    So you ask who's making money - and someone who is spending $200 a month on hosting, WSO's etc. but makes 2 sales a month that total $50 - will tell you they're "making money" when in fact they're losing money and have never had a profitable month.

    Also someone living in one country may be able to live off $1000 a month - but someone else may need $5k a month. So one person making a 'living' is not the same as the same thing for a different person.

    There are a lot of areas where your 'statistics' can give you a false picture.

    I'm sure why you care so much about trying to get truthful answers and coming to some sort of conclusion - all that really matters is what YOU are able to do.

    I've seen people come here as newbies and turn into millionaires and people come here ranting about how much they make and then losing their home a few months later because their business model broke when Google made an algorithm change.

    What other people are making is irrelevant.

    Look around you - almost everything that surrounds you in the material world was paid for by someone.

    There's masses of money flowing all around you constantly. Can you dip into some of that flow - of course. There are 1000's of ways to do it.

    I recommend you stop focusing on what others are making and get busy making your own goals a reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I recommend you stop focusing on what others are making and get busy making your own goals a reality.
      This has never been an issue for me, but over the past couple of months, I've had some rather serious ethical concerns about the pyramid structure that have made my uneasy. The only thing I'd put above making money is my sense of morality (which I've only needed to do on 2 or 3 occasions). That's my main interest. But again, my focus isn't on what other people are making or why/how, but some of my focus is directed at the overall structure of IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author im1217
        Yes, I agree. That's a good thing. For example, I have replied to so many folks promoting Visalus shakes (a shake with Sucralose to help lose weight) telling them that sugar substitutes are harmful. No one cares...they just want their brand new BMW..go figure. All I can say is I am glad that I went to college and have a great job (so I am not forced to rely on IM/MLMs for my livelihood). The only way I would do an MLM is if i were the owner. I am glad I can do IM part time and not be stressed out making $2 a month.


        Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

        This has never been an issue for me, but over the past couple of months, I've had some rather serious ethical concerns about the pyramid structure that have made my uneasy. The only thing I'd put above making money is my sense of morality (which I've only needed to do on 2 or 3 occasions). That's my main interest. But again, my focus isn't on what other people are making or why/how, but some of my focus is directed at the overall structure of IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

        This has never been an issue for me, but over the past couple of months, I've had some rather serious ethical concerns about the pyramid structure that have made my uneasy. The only thing I'd put above making money is my sense of morality (which I've only needed to do on 2 or 3 occasions). That's my main interest. But again, my focus isn't on what other people are making or why/how, but some of my focus is directed at the overall structure of IM.
        There's a reason pyramid schemes are illegal in many countries.

        I saw similar things in the silver coin market. I've been buying silver for years now and I couldn't believe the amount of people that are involved in silver coin pyramid schemes and they go around dropping their sign-up link to get people to buy a $30 silver coin for $75 while telling them it's a bargain. It's crazy but many people use the internet as consumers and have no idea that there are people out there who will happily lie to them to get their money - even to the point where they'll sell them things which will make them ill.

        I've left a LOT of money on the table in IM because I won't promote anything that I do not 100% trust or believe in.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

          Of course that would mean that IM is far more an internal system than an external one. A pyramid shape is highly indicative of a zero-sum financial system (where any money earned stays in the system, and money is only "made" within the system). Presumably it would only be a lose system, but still roughly a zero sum system, give or take say, 12.5% of fringe income.
          Your logic is faulty. Just because the numbers end up in a pyramidal shape, if you choose to illustrate them that way, does not mean that it is the same as a zero-sum system.

          Your poll does not factor in where the money is coming from so it can't be assumed to be from 'inside the system'. Plus there is no system like there is with a pyramid scheme, where everyone is working in one 'business'.

          The fact that the smallest percentage makes the most money is true of any for-profit industry and of the economy in general. Doesn't matter whether you start a business fully online, fully brick & mortar, or a combination of the two - statistics prove that the vast majority of new businesses fail.

          Why is that people come online and expect those statistics to be different?
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          • Profile picture of the author robestrong
            Originally Posted by rmolina88 View Post

            Self supporting right now. Not enough to buy fancy cars and yachts every week, but enough to not work a day job anymore.
            Originally Posted by Mohsin Rasool View Post

            Happily Making my living from online earning. And yes I started right here, in this Great Forum... Warrior Forum

            Mohsin
            Originally Posted by Bonita T Josephson View Post

            The amount of money I am making is not very big but I am able afford my living costs. Maintaining my regular costs (I own a house, don't have to pay any house rent ) easily. Aiming to increase it gradually.
            Awesome guys!

            Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

            There's a reason pyramid schemes are illegal in many countries.

            I saw similar things in the silver coin market. I've been buying silver for years now and I couldn't believe the amount of people that are involved in silver coin pyramid schemes and they go around dropping their sign-up link to get people to buy a $30 silver coin for $75 while telling them it's a bargain. It's crazy but many people use the internet as consumers and have no idea that there are people out there who will happily lie to them to get their money - even to the point where they'll sell them things which will make them ill.

            I've left a LOT of money on the table in IM because I won't promote anything that I do not 100% trust or believe in.
            Yeah, been there... It's always a bit annoying but it tends to work out in the long run when you look back at it.

            Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

            Your logic is faulty. Just because the numbers end up in a pyramidal shape, if you choose to illustrate them that way, does not mean that it is the same as a zero-sum system.

            Your poll does not factor in where the money is coming from so it can't be assumed to be from 'inside the system'. Plus there is no system like there is with a pyramid scheme, where everyone is working in one 'business'.

            The fact that the smallest percentage makes the most money is true of any for-profit industry and of the economy in general. Doesn't matter whether you start a business fully online, fully brick & mortar, or a combination of the two - statistics prove that the vast majority of new businesses fail.

            Why is that people come online and expect those statistics to be different?
            Not exactly, I never said it was a zero-sum system. I said that it was highly indicative of one, which it is. Doesn't necessarily mean that it is. Also, I added in (if you read it) that you should most likely take into account about 1/8th of any income for fringe, "actual" income from the outside, but that most of it most likely operates that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Self supporting right now. Not enough to buy fancy cars and yachts every week, but enough to not work a day job anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elle P
    I make some money online, not much as I can't really rely on it as a passive income yet. Hopefully, by this time next year, it will be a different story with me.
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    Happily Making my living from online earning. And yes I started right here, in this Great Forum... Warrior Forum

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  • The amount of money I am making is not very big but I am able afford my living costs. Maintaining my regular costs (I own a house, don't have to pay any house rent ) easily. Aiming to increase it gradually.
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  • this poll isn't accurate. The bottom bar should be way bigger than any other by a large margin. For every one that succeeds online, thousands fail.

    This poll suggests otherwise
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      this poll isn't accurate. The bottom bar should be way bigger than any other by a large margin. For every one that succeeds online, thousands fail.

      This poll suggests otherwise
      Of course it's not accurate. The survey takers are all members of an internet marketing forum. Chances are most people don't stick around for all that long if they truly don't make a dime. You'd have to be a complete moron to continue to do something that yielded no benefits at all.

      There are very few people who've been around for long that can honestly say they've never made a buck online. It's making enough bucks to make it worthwhile that's the tricky part and making enough to at least live on is even trickier. (Well, it's not really but people think it is.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Subseven
      Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

      this poll isn't accurate. The bottom bar should be way bigger than any other by a large margin. For every one that succeeds online, thousands fail.

      This poll suggests otherwise
      I think this is because most of the people on this forum are people that have stuck around and succeeded, while people that fail basically give up and stop visiting the forum.

      Poll statistics are rarely very accurate!
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      • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
        Full time and loving it Don't beleive everything you see and hear, but don't doubt it either. Create and offer your own products and services, something that everyone needs and won't mind paying someone else to do.

        Everyone's definition of success is different. Some people won't mind having just a extra $500 - $1,000+ to supplement their income and others $500 - $1,000 just to go full time and be self employed - so find your purpose, and what you're confortable with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    My father in law makes about $300 every weekend at the casinos .. he just forgets to tell he spends put $500.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maui Joe
    6 figures 4 years running thanks to ecommerce, lead gen, offline, and coaching
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  • Profile picture of the author BigAlrosen
    People have to realize where you live is another thing as far as cost of living. Some people are making a Full-time income with $1000 a month...wouldn't work for me!
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  • Guys I know why lol! I was just having some fun Do have to take into account that some will lie just to make themselves feel better! hihi = )

    What about if you did but then google decides to have some fun with your life
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  • Looking at the poll results its great to see that 95% of the people on the WF are making money! Even if its not consistant it means that people are making money!

    Great job people lets make 2013 a more consistant year for everyone
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  • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
    I've already stated on other threads that I'm over $1K/month, so it's no problem to answer the poll truthfully here. (Middle bracket, although if I moved to Malaysia I could live off my online income alone.)

    I enjoyed reading all the back-and-forth above about the poll's accuracy, but I have a question for those who say that it's not accurate. Saying this presumes two things:

    1. You know what IS accurate

    and

    2. The poll's results don't match that.

    How do you know what actually is accurate? Just curious.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Donne
    I know when I started out for several months I made zero, but knew and understood if i could learn what to do and how to do it EFFECTIVELY,then i would be able to leverage the internet to my own goals, I then started to make a few dollars here and there, thus proving to myself i was on the right track, I then invested in TOP QUALITY COACHING, and simply went to work, within 9 months i put myself in a position where i could quit the day job, which was my original goal when i 1st came online. How much we make is in some respects not important , 10k pcm for one person may be ok, but not enough for someone else, the question could be rephrased to , are you getting to do want you want to do from the efforts put in. The big change happened for me when I took on board that I knew sufficient to make enough, and started to take cosistent action MARKETING .After that its just a case of growing and developing yourself and your business
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  • Profile picture of the author alasdairsim
    Making around $15 which, in Vietnam, is quite a lot. To give you an idea, you can get a local beer for around 19 cents and a decent meal on the street for $1.40.

    Although that $15 is through article writing; I'm trying to get started in IM so when I do get back to the UK, in about 4 months, I will have something to build upon.
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  • Profile picture of the author webmarket
    It is of course a ridiculous question to ask and you are not going to get it answered here, but just look at the interest and discussion it has generated. This is always going to be a hot topic.
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    • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
      Originally Posted by rajeevsh View Post

      Few people do, but there are some who disclose what they do (as Matthew does above -- great blog Matthew). There are others, too, for instance Pat Flynn who does a great job of not only making money but also documenting what he does.

      If I had to venture a guess, I'd guess less than 2%. But that number was pulled out of thin air and wouldn't mean anything.
      Thanks very much

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I've been coming to this forum for over 10 years and I've seen a lot of polls like this and I've run polls myself - they're NEVER accurate.
      Even if people lie and claim something that isn't true, at the very least threads like this can create some level of inspiration for those just starting out.

      They don't hurt anyway!

      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post


      "look at how they are selling it"
      Exactly
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      • Profile picture of the author robestrong
        Yeah, regardless of some level of inaccuracy, out of 100 people who voted, only 7% said that they haven't made their first dollar online, with the majority being listed in the full time section, seconded by people not really getting anywhere.

        It's probably biased more by the people who frequent this forum (to help others), than by anything else, but at the very least, it's quite inspiring.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagalog
    Oh my oh my, what a fuss about clicking a button. Surely robestrong is not trying to gather information to use in an underground plot to undermine Internet Maketing. So, be kind and vote. After all, it is 2013 and the world did not end in 2012 so show a little charity lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author aceshigh888
    there's too much to know to be good at IM. Like me personally, I'm a bonified: webdesigner, copywriter, graphic designer, outsourcing expert, plus I know tons about IM. Each one of those is a profession in itself. The amount you have to know is insane to even stand a remote chance of success. I finally just go my lastest endevor online, I'm starting from scratch, but crossing my fingers that I can get this to work. But still my plan is to work it for a good 6-12 months before I decide if it's gonna work out.
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  • Profile picture of the author nthomas00
    I think the only difference between people who are "making it" online and the ones who are not is that the ones who aren't are just simply not getting enough targeted traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlundy1
    i believe more people FAIL online than in the Job-Market
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