You are an idiot, you really are...

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I just talked with my client over the phone and he shared with me a very interesting story. My client has been encouraging his friend to consider starting a business online because he was not too happy with his job. My client gave him some guidance and insights on getting started. His friend took my client's advice and started working. My client would follow up with him every now and then and his friend would talk about all the things he had learned. My client was quite happy and pleased with his progress and interest.

Long story short, after a couple of years, my client gets a call from his friend saying his wife left him and he was broke. My client was shocked to hear the news and he rushed over to his friend's place.

It seems over the past 2 years, his friend spent thousands and thousands of dollars on a ton of courses and products. And he was literally spending 16 to 18 hours in front of the computer which severely affected his relationship with his wife and eventually resulted in her leaving him.

My client looked at all the courses he purchased and he said his head literally spun with the number of products he ended up purchasing. Knowing fully well no one could consume so much information, he asked his friend, "Which among these courses were most helpful for you?"

His friend replied, "None, nothing works. I tried everyone of them."

My client asked, "You mean, you implemented what you learned from all these courses?"

His friend- "Not all, but some..."

My client- "Okay, show me what you did"

His friend showed him what he did- an article here, a blog post there, a video here, a Squidoo lens there, a squeeze page here an Amazon store there etc.

And to make matters worse, all these properties were in different niches.

My client dug deeper into his computer and he found multiple instances of the same product purchased more than once and his friend said, 'Oh, I didn't realize that."

My client- "So you spend your money on products you already purchased and you are saying you didn't know that? You know what, you are an idiot, you really are... I am not surprised your wife left you. You just don't have an entrepreneurial mindset. I guess it was my mistake to have asked you to start a business online. But I think you should just stick to your job."

Sometimes you have to accept the fact that running a business is not for you and move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmarcotte
    Thanks for sharing - it is true that owning and running your own business requires a certain mindset. Not everyone is cut out for it, but I think that most people can be successful if they have a plan, follow the plan and keep their life balanced.
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  • Profile picture of the author robestrong
    Catchy title.

    I've always been curious as to whether or not some people could just not be "cut out" for something or whether or not it's just a matter of circumstance.

    For me, I've noticed I more of a high off of making money than having the money itself. The way that things fit together and seeing any form of earnings come in just makes me feel alive. Don't get me wrong, the numbers are nice, but the point where something succeeds is generally better than the success itself in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    What surprised me the most was when the guy ended up purchasing the same product multiple times. That is blatant disregard for money and complete lack of discipline, focus and planning.
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    • Profile picture of the author Amazin
      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      What surprised me the most was when the guy ended up purchasing the same product multiple times. That is blatant disregard for money and complete lack of discipline, focus and planning.
      definately agree. unfortunately there many people out there who consistantly consuming and consuming and never get anywhere. He's idiot for sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Lowenthal
      This is just a classic case of "I WANT to do it, I just don't know how."

      There are so many individuals out there who are just gung ho checkbook ready for the next course or software that is going to do it for them. They spend so much money on things that may even have amazing value to them, but the biggest factor in any situation is the action taken.

      I KNOW that MOST poeple aren't cut out for managing anything complex or challenging. I personally take a very spiritual outlook on it and well I have to say that we are not all the same and some people just don't have that inner mind, that pineal wisdom, or the general 'fight' instinct. Some people are rollovers and 'flight'-ers.

      I think the hardest part is when you try to help someone close, and you sort of take them under your wing, but it isn't for them and you watch them suffer from failure itself and the negative effects it can have on one's psyche. The wrost part is when the have gone to the OP's extent and literally 'flight'-ed from offer to offer, wasting life trying to build a life.

      I wouldn't have called him an idiot however. I think I would have still tried to help him. Call me crazy being that he lost it all 'trying,' but would we just throw our mentally disabled friend out on the street because he can't find a job? No we would help him to the bitter end. If we we're truly a good friend.
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      • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
        Originally Posted by Joshua Lowenthal View Post

        I wouldn't have called him an idiot however. I think I would have still tried to help him. Call me crazy being that he lost it all 'trying,' but would we just throw our mentally disabled friend out on the street because he can't find a job? No we would help him to the bitter end. If we we're truly a good friend.
        Josh, I think he probably said that in the heat of the moment and was also very sad for what happened to his friend (I could feel how genuinely bad he felt for his friend and there was a touch of guilt too because he felt he was partly responsible for what had happened).

        But sometimes it helps to burst the fantasy bubble people live in and shake things up. Who knows maybe his friend will succeed just to prove a point- you never know.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joshua Lowenthal
          Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

          Josh, I think he probably said that in the heat of the moment and was also very sad for what happened to his friend (I could feel how genuinely bad he felt for his friend and there was a touch of guilt too because he felt he was partly responsible for what had happened).

          But sometimes it helps to burst the fantasy bubble people live in and shake things up. Who knows maybe his friend will succeed just to prove a point- you never know.
          It's amazing how the universe works I was just reading a thread regarding non-benefit styled headlines, and how it may actually attract a specific type of person.

          I must say I agree with you in essence. His friend may have sat long and hard for a moment and thought "I am an idiot." Maybe he will have his moment and decide to change things. Call his wife and apologize, set a plan, get to work. I hope he does. People deserve happiness.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnV88
          Good story ! There are plenty of scammers out there !
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      What surprised me the most was when the guy ended up purchasing the same product multiple times. That is blatant disregard for money and complete lack of discipline, focus and planning.
      Ha ha! I did it myself one time - I bought the same WSO twice. I realised right away, of course, immediately after I had downloaded it.

      I commented in the WSO thread complimenting the WSO vendor on having such excellent copywriting skills that had convinced me to buy the same thing twice. Didn't ask for a refund because I felt I had already learned a valuable lesson about copywriting. However, the vendor (who I can't remember now) politely refunded without any fuss.

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      • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
        Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

        Ha ha! I did it myself one time - I bought the same WSO twice. I realised right away, of course, immediately after I had downloaded it.

        I commented in the WSO thread complimenting the WSO vendor on having such excellent copywriting skills that had convinced me to buy the same thing twice. Didn't ask for a refund because I felt I had already learned a valuable lesson about copywriting. However, the vendor (who I can't remember now) politely refunded without any fuss.

        Will
        Will, it is different in the sense, you realized you purchased the same product because you were atleast familiar with the product. This guy didn't even know that until my client pointed it out.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

        Ha ha! I did it myself one time - I bought the same WSO twice. I realised right away, of course, immediately after I had downloaded it.

        I commented in the WSO thread complimenting the WSO vendor on having such excellent copywriting skills that had convinced me to buy the same thing twice. Didn't ask for a refund because I felt I had already learned a valuable lesson about copywriting. However, the vendor (who I can't remember now) politely refunded without any fuss.

        Will
        lol ... same thing happened to me and I complimented the author on copywriting skills. Didn't ask for a refund either, but was given one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    Had to check this thread because of the title! Good post and so true. Many people are "dabblers" and can almost get a high from buying some new product that promises them millions.

    The truth is though, the money and success is in the hard work and FOCUS and dabbling will leave you broke.

    I see WAY too many people doing a little of this and that and the other thinking they have an actual "business" but they don't. If they got serious and put total laser like focus into something and really built something amazing, it could change their lives.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    Most people not intelligent, hardworking nor capable of running their own online businesses, from what I've seen (and I've met thousands of people). It takes a lot of hard work, focus, discipline and intelligence, with specific goals and a lot of difficult-to-master skills, developed over many years. Some can dabble in affiliate stuff I suppose, at least that's something, to sell other people's products and services. But to create a genuine long lasting online business takes a lot of sustained hard, dedicated work.
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    • Profile picture of the author danstairs
      Originally Posted by kencalhn View Post

      Most people not intelligent, hardworking nor capable of running their own online businesses, from what I've seen (and I've met thousands of people). It takes a lot of hard work, focus, discipline and intelligence, with specific goals and a lot of difficult-to-master skills, developed over many years. Some can dabble in affiliate stuff I suppose, at least that's something, to sell other people's products and services. But to create a genuine long lasting online business takes a lot of sustained hard, dedicated work.
      I totally agree with this and you put it most succinctly. Don't want to draw too much attention to this, but most people in the world just want a job and be told what to do and draw some kind of liveable income, especially if they work in government jobs and can sling the hook forever and still retire at 50 with a great pension. Anyway, making a living as a self employed person, online or offline takes a bit of application, but there is plenty of hope, due to the fact that there are so many stupid people out there (who would bid £100 for unwanted Christmas presents, still in their wrapping, on Ebay - take a look).
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Nice story... Must say your "client" was not a very good friend at the end. You did say they were friends...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    Tough break. Alot of people don't give one project a chance to make money before getting bored and moving onto something else. Sounds like this guy did the same.
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  • I have a subscription-based website where I show people how to make money. And I admit, I have a great product.

    However - I have had people ON DAY ONE tell me: "I have quit my day job to work on this FULL TIME"

    Dumb. I don't care who you are. Sure, it's scalable, but never quit your job until you have a good system going - no matter WHAT you join!

    I put it this way: Do it as a SUPPLEMENT first.... because once you quit your job you AUTOMATICALLY take a pay cut.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

      I have a subscription-based website where I show people how to make money. And I admit, I have a great product.

      However - I have had people ON DAY ONE tell me: "I have quit my day job to work on this FULL TIME"

      Dumb. I don't care who you are. Sure, it's scalable, but never quit your job until you have a good system going - no matter WHAT you join!

      I put it this way: Do it as a SUPPLEMENT first.... because once you quit your job you AUTOMATICALLY take a pay cut.
      Most things are DESTINED to change! A word is a very good common keyword? Search engnes may IGNORE IT! Duplicate pages are allowed? They may limit them. A given ad can be pushed to a customer? It will be BLOCKED. Email gets too easy? It will be blocked. You have a unique idea? People will copy and or spin it. If all else fails, and you still end up VERY successful, costs go up.

      Those aren't what ifs, etc... ALL have happened. It is amazing. NOBODY likes it to happen to THEM, but get upset when others prevent them from dolling it out.

      The moral is to not quit your job until you have enough and/or have had a solid record of good success. OH, and don't depend on ONE method.

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author KevinDahlberg
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post


      I put it this way: Do it as a SUPPLEMENT first.... because once you quit your job you AUTOMATICALLY take a pay cut.
      I did quit my job to give IM a go. 2 months later I ended up in a typical day job... making more but not doing something that I loved.

      Now I'm having some success, and it's great because I still have the income from my day job.

      Buying product after product is a tough cycle to break. It happened, though, once I decided to put in massive action on one product. A period of learning is necessary, but the important thing is to ACT (of course I'm probably preaching to the choir).
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      • Profile picture of the author danstairs
        That's nice Kevin, you still have a day job and IM is making you some money. You are one of the clever people. "Action" that's the key, why didn't I think of that :confused:. All the same, the simplest method is still the best, just ask Bill Gates - have a look at somebody elses idea and borrow a few things (be careful what I say). I didn't quit my job(s), they quit me, it's called outsourcing. After 9 years in one job, I had to teach a load of Indian guys my job and had two of them visit, although one fell asleep on the floor every night. But they were nice guys on the whole and I sent them my holiday snaps and they all liked my girlfriend more than me. The bottom line was that my salary paid for ten of them, but it was a lot of rupees in Bangalore, so we were all happy. Now here I am and this is easy money
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  • Profile picture of the author Doppelbock
    That story, was startling. How do you even get that far before you think you might be doing something wrong...
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Doppelbock View Post

      That story, was startling. How do you even get that far before you think you might be doing something wrong...
      I wish I remembered this one commercial. I don't even recall what they were selling.

      A guy finds out his stock SKYROCKETED! He was RICH! He went to the other side of the copany, told his boss off, came back, and found he lost EVERYTHING!

      Some people are just like that. If I had 5 million or so dollars, I would probably quit my job, but I would NOT burn bridges, and would keep working. My life wouldn't change too much.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author andrewpearson
    A great share and a sad story, one of the lessons I have learned and am still learning lol, is to unsubscribe to all the stuff that has no direct bearing on what you are doing in your marketing right now and also to play to your strengths, by that I mean: I hate writing articles and stuff but am enjoying being social online so am building up my fb page with quality friends and am beginning to interact with them.

    Hope this helps,

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Ouch. Reminds me a lot of my first online ventures...

    I'm no businessman, but I was able to make a living after 2 years and have learned a great deal of business stuff in that amount of time.

    If I can do it, anyone can.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    That is how many people try to "build" their business online. They buy all the courses that they can get their hands on, spend $1000's over the course of 1-3 years and then at the end wonder why they are not making any money.

    I spent $10,000 plus when I got started online back in 2002 so I know how he and other feel.

    You need to take what you have learned and put it into action. The sad part is that most people don't know what steps to take even after they read everything and bought every make money online course out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris_Willow
    It's not the lack of action, it's bad advice.

    Imagine John who's an accountant. His friend knows dozens of successful fast food chains, so he suggests John to start a fast food chain.
    In real life 99 times out of 100 nobody would take this advice seriously. Yet with the internet it's somehow different. People perceive it to be this magical place where everybody can get insanely rich. But it's just like any other business...
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  • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
    Organizing what you do is also important for this reason.

    Keep an excel of what you buy..product name, website url, price, date etc.

    and yes marketers are really shrewd... the headline of the products they sell are really catchy and non-resistible... Its only after buying the product and reading it I understand damn its price would have been 10$ instead of 29$.

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  • Profile picture of the author 1robert
    Does anybody else see something wrong with this picture besides me?

    If your client was teaching his friend internet business and all this happened, then it is your clients fault for not teaching his friend the right way.

    If your client was actually teaching him what he needed to know...especially as friends, then this would of never happened. period.

    Therefore the thread should be titled "my client is an idiot for not helping his friend"
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by 1robert View Post

      Does anybody else see something wrong with this picture besides me?

      If your client was teaching his friend internet business and all this happened, then it is your clients fault for not teaching his friend the right way.

      If your client was actually teaching him what he needed to know...especially as friends, then this would of never happened. period.

      Therefore the thread should be titled "my client is an idiot for not helping his friend"
      Ever hear of "the emperors new clothes"? People make it sound SO easy, etc... that people may not want to speak of their lack of success. And so many say they have a secret, so others keep searching.

      Want to hear a secret? MOST "secrets" I have seen in books, etc... Were NOTHING of the sort! Some were even GIVENS! HECK SOME were from one trick ponies that found a way to do something in a limited environment and figured that limitation was everywhere else, etc....

      HECK, when I first got interested in ecommerce shopping carts they were EXPENSIVE and RARE! I bought a book that was supposed to explain it. The author didn't know the first thing about the subject, and it was M/S centric. The sad part was that when I DID finally learn about it, it didn't cost me a penny. I spent close to $100 on books. THEY were expensive too. I also spent dozens of dollars for a cart that seemed pretty popular. It turned out to be a MESS and tied to cookies with NO logging! When I say tied to cookies, I mean that the WHOLE cart was stored in a cookie! That wasn't even secure then. Luckily, I wouldn't have paid the thousands people asked for such things before.

      After all that, I could probably summarize ALL that knowledge into a rather small book. It would CERTAINLY be smaller than that first one I mentioned. It might be worth over $100, but I would have a problem getting people to pay more than maybe $30 for it. And why should they? MOST want to just USE the product and there are carts today that blow EVERYTHING available then away, and they are free and open source. Some don't use cookies for ANYTHING and FEW, if any, store the carts there.

      Oh well, I once was looking for a UNIX implementation. I bought one that was popular, and cost $99, but it turned out to have a SEVERE limitation. That company eventually went bankrupt. I then bought another. Interesting, but ALSO limited. The interesting thing is that the one I now use is almost EXACTLY like UNIX, and apparently written by a student of his. Go figure.

      The only reason why I bring that up is because a lot of stuff is free, a lot of famous authors are WRONG, and stuff can quickly become worthless and obsolete.

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by 1robert View Post

      Does anybody else see something wrong with this picture besides me?

      If your client was teaching his friend internet business and all this happened, then it is your clients fault for not teaching his friend the right way.

      If your client was actually teaching him what he needed to know...especially as friends, then this would of never happened. period.

      Therefore the thread should be titled "my client is an idiot for not helping his friend"
      No. It's probably just YOU that believes that a little bit of NON-professional, unpaid advice constitutes a guarantee that the assmonkey will be successful in everything he does.

      He took the advice and then ran with it, buying thousands of dollars worth of courses, implementing very few of them in full and none of them correctly, and this is his friends' fault.

      I love how people transfer personal responsibility to everyone else except themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
      Originally Posted by 1robert View Post

      Does anybody else see something wrong with this picture besides me?

      If your client was teaching his friend internet business and all this happened, then it is your clients fault for not teaching his friend the right way.

      If your client was actually teaching him what he needed to know...especially as friends, then this would of never happened. period.

      Therefore the thread should be titled "my client is an idiot for not helping his friend"
      You are mistaken. When the guy complained about his job, my client merely suggested him to consider starting a business online and in the process he pointed out to a few resources that could help him. None of these were thousand dollar products or expensive courses. What happened was his friend started reading, got excited and then started buying courses left, right and center. My client wasn't aware of his buying addiction and he was not mentoring or coaching him.

      It's like a friend asking you, 'Hey my laptop sucks' and you telling 'Sorry to hear that buddy, maybe it's time for a new laptop perhaps? Why don't you take a look at CNET.com and Amazon. You will find some good information there."

      And if the friend ends up buying all the laptops that get great reviews, you can't be blamed for suggesting him to take a look at CNET and Amazon. My example is silly, but I hope you get the point.
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      Originally Posted by 1robert View Post

      Does anybody else see something wrong with this picture besides me?

      If your client was teaching his friend internet business and all this happened, then it is your clients fault for not teaching his friend the right way.

      If your client was actually teaching him what he needed to know...especially as friends, then this would of never happened. period.

      Therefore the thread should be titled "my client is an idiot for not helping his friend"
      There's a big difference between advising someone do something and not only expecting someone to take your advice, but also signing up to be their full time personal mentor in the event that they do.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisMoon
    Interesting post yourreviewer thanks for sharing.

    I don't know if this is the same for all IMers but when I started I went through a phase and a lot of money picking up courses and tools one after the other. There seemed so much to learn and so many ways of doing it that I felt like a chicken without a head, dazed and confused and paralyzed by information overload.

    Must admit I've been seduced several times by skilful copywriters into junk buys and repeat buys but I've always been able to get a refund. After reading the copy the first thing I check on a WSO is the refund policy. There are so many poorly developed lousy products around that a 30 day refund is my minimum requirement.
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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    I almost fell into the same trap when I first started my journey. I spent a lot of time on here and on other IM forums absorbing a lot of information, but not really taking much action. The action I did take was all over the place and not very targeted. I decided to take what I'd learned and put it into action.

    Instead of spending all day reading about what worked for other people, I started spending the whole day working and eventually figured out what worked for me. All the information anyone needs is right here on the Warrior Forum. A lot of it is free. The only thing I spend money on now is software that makes my life easier and even those purchases are few and far between.
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  • Profile picture of the author pawlu68
    hi great story and thank you for sharing ... I think many can relate to passing through similar situations and I am a firm believer that it is important to shorten any learning curve but understanding the experiences of others.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Hi

    This sounds more like an emotional crisis of escaping from reality than failing at any actual attempt to start a business.

    He got lost in the promises of the products and lived in the dream rather than reality.

    Spending 18 hours a day in front of a computer and only doing "this or that" is not poor work habits, it is spending time away from reality.

    It sounds like he was living in denial of the coming financial disaster and his wife felt abandoned while he left her for his "Internet Marketing" fantasy world.

    He needed psychological help, not business advice.

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  • Profile picture of the author henryalgonac
    Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

    I just talked with my client over the phone and he shared with me a very interesting story. My client has been encouraging his friend to consider starting a business online because he was not too happy with his job. My client gave him some guidance and insights on getting started. His friend took my client's advice and started working. My client would follow up with him every now and then and his friend would talk about all the things he had learned. My client was quite happy and pleased with his progress and interest.

    Long story short, after a couple of years, my client gets a call from his friend saying his wife left him and he was broke. My client was shocked to hear the news and he rushed over to his friend's place.

    It seems over the past 2 years, his friend spent thousands and thousands of dollars on a ton of courses and products. And he was literally spending 16 to 18 hours in front of the computer which severely affected his relationship with his wife and eventually resulted in her leaving him.

    My client looked at all the courses he purchased and he said his head literally spun with the number of products he ended up purchasing. Knowing fully well no one could consume so much information, he asked his friend, "Which among these courses were most helpful for you?"

    His friend replied, "None, nothing works. I tried everyone of them."

    My client asked, "You mean, you implemented what you learned from all these courses?"

    His friend- "Not all, but some..."

    My client- "Okay, show me what you did"

    His friend showed him what he did- an article here, a blog post there, a video here, a Squidoo lens there, a squeeze page here an Amazon store there etc.

    And to make matters worse, all these properties were in different niches.

    My client dug deeper into his computer and he found multiple instances of the same product purchased more than once and his friend said, 'Oh, I didn't realize that."

    My client- "So you spend your money on products you already purchased and you are saying you didn't know that? You know what, you are an idiot, you really are... I am not surprised your wife left you. You just don't have an entrepreneurial mindset. I guess it was my mistake to have asked you to start a business online. But I think you should just stick to your job."

    Sometimes you have to accept the fact that running a business is not for you and move on.
    This person has the indications of a WSO junkie. I feel getting on one track and sticking to it is the path to success.
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisCastle
      This is so true, but to be fair if they havent got the mindset then they need guidance, they need it set out for them and someone to help them along and keep an eye on their progress.
      Just suggesting to someone that they should start a internet business isnt enough.

      As for the products, inexperienced marketers are looking for the easy start, they see all the "make $2k a day, earn $$$ in less than a month" etc and that feeds their desire, but as we all know its not that simple.

      Another issue is cost, if someone pays for something and its expensive then generally they are more committed.

      I used to run weekend seminars at over €3000 per person, those that paid for their own knuckled down and studied, learned and ultimately started or improved their online business, those that were sent by their employer and had paid nothing, for the most part learned little or nothing.

      I have done that same course for friends and family for free, the success rate is dramatically reduced, why? because it has cost them nothing.

      So its not just about guidance, its about commitment and hard work.

      The first thing I do now is make it clear that Rome wasn't built in a day, there is no quick pill, if they work hard and follow the plan they will establish a online income that will enable them to earn sufficient for a nice lifestyle.

      So your friends friend is not alone, Im willing to bet there are lots of people on WF that just keep buying WSO's and doing little or nothing with them.

      And to a lesser degree who can say they have never bought a WSO and not acted on it?
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  • Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

    Sometimes you have to accept the fact that running a business is not for you and move on.
    Here's the key thing to it all: some people are simply not cut out for business entrepreneurship, just like some people are not cut out for the busy city lifestyle or for long-term relationships.

    Some people are truly better off quitting IM and putting their efforts in forging a job career.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMDESTROYER
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    Trial and error doesn't make anyone an idiot. People learn at different speeds with different risks and success varies over time. Your friend is the moron. He should really consider reading books on leadership and management because he really sucks at it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by IMDESTROYER View Post

      Trial and error doesn't make anyone an idiot. People learn at different speeds with different risks and success varies over time. Your friend is the moron. He should really consider reading books on leadership and management because he really sucks at it.
      It looks like members of the WF would be well-advised to adopt a standard disclaimer tacked to the bottom of each post that goes something like this:

      The above information is for entertainment purposes only and does not imply that the poster will be responsible for the reader's food, clothing, shelter, medical bills, childrens' education or any other financial obligations should the reader act upon the information in the post and fail to succeed in any way.

      There is no promise or representation that you will make a certain amount of money, or any money, or not lose money, as a result of reading my post.

      Any earnings, revenue, or income statements are strictly estimates. There is no guarantee that you will make these levels for yourself. As with any business, your results will vary and will be based on your personal abilities, experience, knowledge, capabilities, level of desire, and an infinite number of variables beyond our control, including variables we or you have not anticipated. There are no guarantees concerning the level of success you may experience. Each person's results will vary.

      There are unknown risks in any business, particularly with the Internet where advances and changes can happen quickly.

      The use of our information, products and services should be based on your own due diligence and you agree that we are not liable for your success or failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    One doesn't have to be an "idiot" to lose a wife while
    fighting to run a businesses even when the business is
    successful. Just look at the life of Elon Musk founder
    of Paypal and SpaceX. He has been through 2 wives
    so far because he spends so much time consumed
    by his businesses. His words, not mine.

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  • Profile picture of the author yaji
    No one will hire such a guy as well... The employer will terminate him as well if he keeping buying the same stuff and he does not know... Maybe just a data entry job might work, but who will pay for the time he repeats his finished typing work???

    Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

    I just talked with my client over the phone and he shared with me a very interesting story. My client has been encouraging his friend to consider starting a business online because he was not too happy with his job. My client gave him some guidance and insights on getting started. His friend took my client's advice and started working. My client would follow up with him every now and then and his friend would talk about all the things he had learned. My client was quite happy and pleased with his progress and interest.

    Long story short, after a couple of years, my client gets a call from his friend saying his wife left him and he was broke. My client was shocked to hear the news and he rushed over to his friend's place.

    It seems over the past 2 years, his friend spent thousands and thousands of dollars on a ton of courses and products. And he was literally spending 16 to 18 hours in front of the computer which severely affected his relationship with his wife and eventually resulted in her leaving him.

    My client looked at all the courses he purchased and he said his head literally spun with the number of products he ended up purchasing. Knowing fully well no one could consume so much information, he asked his friend, "Which among these courses were most helpful for you?"

    His friend replied, "None, nothing works. I tried everyone of them."

    My client asked, "You mean, you implemented what you learned from all these courses?"

    His friend- "Not all, but some..."

    My client- "Okay, show me what you did"

    His friend showed him what he did- an article here, a blog post there, a video here, a Squidoo lens there, a squeeze page here an Amazon store there etc.

    And to make matters worse, all these properties were in different niches.

    My client dug deeper into his computer and he found multiple instances of the same product purchased more than once and his friend said, 'Oh, I didn't realize that."

    My client- "So you spend your money on products you already purchased and you are saying you didn't know that? You know what, you are an idiot, you really are... I am not surprised your wife left you. You just don't have an entrepreneurial mindset. I guess it was my mistake to have asked you to start a business online. But I think you should just stick to your job."

    Sometimes you have to accept the fact that running a business is not for you and move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfect
    There are really lessons to be learned here, one of such lessons is focus on one thing till you get it right before moving to the next. Otherwise there are chances of ending to nothing.
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  • Great post!

    Poor guy! I know its the same situation for many people who come online and expect something different and have different expectations.

    I feel the most important things are good communication, focus, and consistency!
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  • Profile picture of the author OTrap
    The possibility for a "worker bee" type to be an entrepreneur can still exist, but it is GREATLY limited. Learning to do a task (ie make a widget) can always be contracted out, so the possibility exists for a person who learns to make the widget to run a business making widgets.

    The problem is the inability to grow. It will be a small potatoes operation for the entirety of its existence unless he were able to bring along a business partner who was more of a "dreamer" or at least an administrator.

    It can be done, but this guy was behind the 8-ball from the get-go, and he wasn't at all smart about getting into it, either.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Michael Dell, Richard Branson, Ross Perot are among MILLIONS(maybe more) that worked jobs that had problems, etc... and hit on something they could promote.

    Dell got lucky, as there was so much potential and he got a local rep and managed to promote it nationally.

    Ross Perot had an attitude and didn't like the idea of getting ripped off, so it took a risk and it paid off BIG!

    Branson? Well, he saw a crack he could pry to get into the market, and determined there was enough business. After his first success, he just kept going.

    Branson did the OPPOSITE of a guy named Buffet. Buffet invested in rather sedate companies he KNEW about. He probably made most of his money on peripheral items.

    HECK, Glen BELL created a silly little device, and made money off of THAT! Of course, he is best known for using that gadget in a restaurant he called "Taco Bell". TODAY, it is owned by YUM, which was spun off from PEPSI.

    So a lot of info in this thread about people not being able to do this or that is just wrong.

    Steve
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  • Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

    You just don't have an entrepreneurial mindset. I guess it was my mistake to have asked you to start a business online. But I think you should just stick to your job."
    This is true. You have to move from the employee mindset to the entrepreneurial mindset if you want to engage in online marketing.

    Sticking to one method that works for you for a year would allow the flow of abundance into your life.

    As the age-old internet marketing saying goes, "Rinse and repeat."
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