.info names OK?

12 years ago

I would always go after top level domains like .com .net or .biz

.info is ok but they would not be my first choice

make sure the domain name you are going after is not trademarked or you can run into problems in the future.

If the .com is available you are usually ok. I would keep looking around for variations of your keyword phrase with the .com available if I was you.

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Newbiemarketer76

12 years ago

Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay

I would always go after top level domains like .com .net or .biz

.info is ok but they would not be my first choice

make sure the domain name you are going after is not trademarked or you can run into problems in the future.

If the .com is available you are usually ok. I would keep looking around for variations of your keyword phrase with the .com available if I was you.

after .com and .net, then. biz is the best?

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbiemarketer76

after .com and .net, then. biz is the best?

For me, .biz is the very worst. It's the one my customers dislike most and trust least - and say so, openly. It's one I'll never use.
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Troy_Phillips 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbiemarketer76

after .com and .net, then. biz is the best?

Did it hurt when you pulled that one out of your butt? If you have tested this I apologize but I don't think you have.

From directly questioning my members they have told me .org is the one they trust the most.
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entrepreneurjay 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbiemarketer76

after .com and .net, then. biz is the best?

Yeah that is the order I would have them in.
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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

This might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7547770

(See also post #7 in the same thread).

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Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

This might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7547770

(See also post #7 in the same thread).

Wow. Read Alexa's post she covers this topic in detail. All you need to know.
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12 years ago

.biz is also available

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Steve B 12 years ago

From a Google ranking standpoint or an SEO standpoint, I don't think the domain extension makes much difference. I think dot info should be able to rank just fine on it's own. I have never seen anything from Google suggesting that dot coms are any better than any other extensions.

However . . .

From personal observation, I believe that certain extensions are seen as being more credible than others, especially when it comes to commercial businesses. If that were not the case, then why are all the dot com domains in such demand? Why do all the large companies have their sites on dot com domains?

I'm guessing that the vast majority of business owners would prefer a dot com domain if they had a choice of owning any name they wanted but they could only choose one extension.

I believe exact match domains are nice, but again, I don't see any evidence that they are somehow more conducive to higher ranking in the search engines. That may have been the case in the past, but I don't believe it is right now.

If I were you, I would look for a memorable, short, brandable, descriptive dot com and don't worry about your penchant for an exact match name. (You could always purchase the .info exact match in addition and point it to your main site thereby driving any exact match traffic to your business.)

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Originally Posted by Newbiemarketer76

.biz is also available

.biz and .us are available for many domains because most people don't want them. I'd stick with .com, .net, .org and .info. I've also moved away from exact match domains since one of Google's last updates removes the weight that they gave them.
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12 years ago

I hate .biz and I have a hard time taking someone seriously if they refer to their business as a "biz".

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12 years ago

I personally do not like .info at all. TO me it really doesn't sound like anything i'd want to look at if .info is on it..

I go for .com and somehow always make it work.

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12 years ago

So prob. best to use an abbeviation that is very common and get a .com or.net?

I don't like the sound of .biz either

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12 years ago

I just think .com long-term is a way better use of your money especially if you are going to invest money on it long-term online.

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12 years ago

.info domains don't rank well in google, use a .com it will give better results.
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Originally Posted by zoritey87

.info domains don't rank well in google

This isn't right at all.

Among the international top-level domains, the precise domain extension doesn't affect Google rankings/SEO at all. This is simply factual, and there are literally hundreds of posts/thread here clarifying, proving and explaining it (and plenty on Google's own blogs/sites, too!). The links in this post might help you, Zoritey: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7547770
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Jrivera680 12 years ago

Originally Posted by zoritey87

.info domains don't rank well in google, use a .com it will give better results.
All the best.

That's simply not true. All of my sites have .info domains and they have ranked fine. Some people might of had different results, but mine have been great. Unless someone can come out with a really on point case study then I don't think anyone can really say that .coms, .nets etc are better than .info's
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12 years ago

I think .info domains are unprofessional and lower credibility in the eyes of your visitors.

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Originally Posted by nicholasb

I think .info domains are unprofessional and lower credibility in the eyes of your visitors.

Have you asked them?

I used to think that, as well. How wrong I was!

My subscribers and customers say exactly the opposite, whenever I ask them (which I do periodically, and used to even when I was using only ".com" domains, and they said the same then).

Across a wide range of unrelated niches, they actually prefer ".info", out of all the domain-extensions I mention to them as "available"/"possible". (The ones they dislike seem to be ".biz" most of all, followed by ".com").

They think ".info" speaks of an "informational site", and that that conveys authority and objectivity.

They think ".com" sounds like "just another marketer trying to sell stuff to us".

It's really very instructive asking customers what they think. I learned a lot from it. If you have the right sort of relationships with them, a surprisingly high proportion of them will offer an opinion.

Internet marketers tend to like ".com domains" and dislike "info" ones. Our customers very widely feel the opposite. This is why I now usually register both, and simply redirect the ".com" I'm not using to the "info" I am using.
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  The same situation, .com and .net weren't available in my case, so I decided to buy .info.
  I was lucky to find .info available, because my site is related to information, so was perfect for me.
  
  Thanks Alexa for the useful information about dot info.
  
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mojojuju

12 years ago

This looks interesting:

An experiment.

A guy bought fulldragon.com, fulldragon.net, fulldragon.org, and fulldragon.info. He put the same content on each of them and gave them the same Wordpress theme. Then he let them out in the wild and checked back later on how they ranked for "fulldragon".

Here's where you can read about the results SEO Test 11: .com vs .net vs .info | Search Engine Optimization SEO Empire

I'm more of a "Proof is in the pudding" type of guy so I'm interested in more evidence like this either way.

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Niko A Berezkin

12 years ago

..... If you're looking at paid traffic options .info is fine. You will have a harder time ranking .info's than .com's in the SERPs despite what several other posters have claimed. You can still certainly do it, and if your comp. is not that big, you could do it quite easily. But .com's and .net's are easier to rank than .info's. That's from personal experience. Not having Matt Cuts come out and say so directly doesn't really mean anything.

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Originally Posted by Nikita A Beriozkin

Not having Matt Cuts come out and say so directly doesn't really mean anything.

And having him come out and say the exact opposite directly (and very repeatedly, and in many different locations and formats), does that also not "really mean anything"?! You imagine that he's deliberately, consistently and very actively been lying about it for all these years, perhaps? Well, nobody can stop you from believing whatever you like ... but why? What can you really imagine he/they would have to gain by such a concerted and consistent campaign of misinformation?!

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Niko A Berezkin 12 years ago

Just like the google disavow tool will save your site from Negative SEO that google and Mat cuts collectively created :rolleyes:

Just like Press Releases are not beneficial to SEO as Mat Cuts recently stated :rolleyes:

Just like the google Penguin and Panda algos and updates should not effect legitimate businesses :rolleyes:

Just like noFollow won't help your rankings :rolleyes:

...... give me a freaking break.

Google is big business. If you have any delusions that the only thing they are interested in isn't money, you are living in a dream world. Why would they claim that .info's can be ranked just as easy as .com's when it isn't true. Well for any 1 of millions of reasons, but highest on my potential list would be partnership agreements with domain registrars.

Mat Cutts is their poster boy, and you should always take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Do your own testing...... not just repeat garbage out of google's mouth
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  Do your own testing......
  
  I did - thank you. Extensively. Like so many others here posting in so many other threads on this subject, I had absolutely no difficulty ranking .info sites.
  
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  [QUOTE=Alexa Smith;7576904]I did - thank you. Extensively. Like so many others here posting in so many other threads on this subject, I had absolutely no difficulty ranking .info sites.
  
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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

And having him come out and say the exact opposite directly (and very repeatedly, and in many different locations and formats), does that also not "really mean anything"?! You imagine that he's deliberately, consistently and very actively been lying about it for all these years, perhaps? Well, nobody can stop you from believing whatever you like ... but why? What can you really imagine he/they would have to gain by such a concerted and consistent campaign of misinformation?!

As the head of webspam at Google, Matt Cutts has plenty of reason to not be completely straightforward to those who hope to gain information from him related to ranking in Google's SERPs.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Amazon.com: why people believe weird things: Books

Ridiculing others adds nothing of value to this discussion.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Nikita A Beriozkin

..... If you're looking at paid traffic options .info is fine. You will have a harder time ranking .info's than .com's in the SERPs despite what several other posters have claimed. You can still certainly do it, and if your comp. is not that big, you could do it quite easily. But .com's and .net's are easier to rank than .info's. That's from personal experience. Not having Matt Cuts come out and say so directly doesn't really mean anything.

Cheers.

and from my experience, it don't matter what the TLD is, Google doesn't give preference to a site based on it's TLD. And for what reason is .coms & .nets easier to rank than .info? are you doing something radically different on your .com's and .net's than your .info's that make Google give you particular attention?

the example you showed from seomoz is also taken out of context, what you didnt show was the rest of the article talking about building a brand with EMD's etc hence why it said not to bother with the other TLDs.

.info is a great alternative to .com's and .net's, especially if your site is a information site....and if your site is informative enough it can outrank .com's with ease, heck even .gov's.........for example

type in SPAIN......
type in PR CHECKER...

I rest my case

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

type in SPAIN......
type in PR CHECKER...

I rest my case

Well that settles it.

Just kidding.

I don't think anyone disagrees that sites which use .info domains can rank or that they can rank well. Heck, you can rank a .tk, or a free subdomain, or subdirectory, or a subdirectory hosted on a subdomain of a free .tk - for something.

But what about .infos vs .coms? With all things being equal (content, geography, links...) which is better, if any? .Com or .info.

I posted a link above which sheds some light on this, but nobody commented on it. Instead, there's been a lot of conjecture and dogmatic ideas being thrown around.

Here's a little test of .info vs .com

Does anybody have anything to say about .com outranking .info despite all other factors being the same? Any flaws to point out in the methodology used? Got any more links to tests that others have done?

Let's look at some data (or create some) and skip all the conjecture and B.S.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Here's a little test of .info vs .com

You do realize that the content on the test websites is spun, right? (Even the armor vectors/images are "spun".) :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Did it hurt when you pulled that one out of your butt?

Now that's a good line. It's in my (mental) swipe file.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Lucian Lada

You do realize that the content on the test websites is spun, right? (Even the armor vectors/images are "spun".) :rolleyes:

Maybe it is spun. If it is, do you think that it being spun content affects the outcome of the experiment? If so, how?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Call me a skepchick,

I have seen this line before...

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Maybe it is spun. If it is, do you think that it being spun content affects the outcome of the experiment? If so, how?

I have no clue, but the fact that the tester believes in duplicate content enough to spin the content makes me...

Originally Posted by mojojuju

[...] Question everything [...]

... about the test's effectiveness.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Lucian Lada

I have seen this line before...

I have no clue, but the fact that the tester believes in duplicate content enough to spin the content makes me...

... about the test's effectiveness.

Good points, creepy warrior. I agree that in order to make the experiment more valid, all content on the sites tested need to be identical, otherwise the choice in TLD is not isolated as a ranking factor. (I initially overlooked that BTW. That's an important flaw in his test method.)

Can you think of anything else in that test that needs improving?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Can you think of anything else in that test that needs improving?

Yes, the date. The test took place in July 2009, I think (the month in which the posts were made). That's three and a half years - I think it might be out of date.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Lucian Lada

Yes, the date. The test took place in July 2009, I think (the month in which the posts were made). That's three and a half years - I think it might be out of date.

That's good. It seems we could use more current recent research on this.

Since you brought up the issue if date, I think we could also take date into consideration when thinking about our understanding of how Google treats different TLDs and other ranking factors.

For instance, Google is said to be using machine-learning more since its recent Panda update. Could machine learning recognize a correlation between spammy websites and the .info TLD, and then could this become a factor in the way that .info domains are ranked?

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Originally Posted by mojojuju

.. when thinking about our understanding of how Google treats different TLDs and other ranking factors.

Our understanding? .....maybe your understanding

Originally Posted by mojojuju

For instance, Google is said to be using machine-learning more since its recent Panda update. Could machine learning recognize a correlation between spammy websites and the .info TLD, and then could this become a factor in the way that .info domains are ranked?

I am just curious... How many .info spam websites do you know?
Can I remember your advice?
"Question everything. Especially the advice of those you blindly trust. "

I give you an example, my example. All "todaynews" domains are taken.

Try to search on google "todaynews."
What is the first "todaynews." domain in google search? .com? Wrong, try again!

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12 years ago

It's strange that when I quote your message, it shows your username as "Lucian Lada" and also as "latestnewsheadline"? I'll get back to that...

Originally Posted by latestnewsheadline

I am just curious... How many .info spam websites do you know?

I can't recall the names of any SPAM web sites off of the top of my head. I'm more inclined to remember the names of quality web sites - like the WarriorForum!!!

Originally Posted by latestnewsheadline

I give you an example, my example. All "todaynews" domains are taken.

Try to search on google "todaynews."
What is the first "todaynews." domain in google search? .com? Wrong, try again!

If you're asking me to search for "todaynews" in Google, I did, but no .info domains show up in the results (if that's what you were trying to get at).

On the other hand, it occurred to me that you might be trying to suggest that, for some unspecified Google search, the domain todaynews.info would rank higher than todaynews.com.

And sure enough, it does.

Using the query, "url:todaynews" I see that todaynews.info is listed in the serps and todaynews.com is not listed at all in the results.

So that's definitive proof that .info domains rank as well as or better than .com domains. Right?

Well, no. Especially when you realize that todaynews.com is a domain parking page with no content that is remotely related to "today" or "news" or "todaynews".

And about that todaynews.info web site (and the username "latestnewsheadline")? I thought I had seen it before. I did!

http://www.warriorforum.com/website-...ator-site.html

And I guess I do have the ability to remember SPAM web sites after all.

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Originally Posted by mojojuju

So that's definitive proof that .info domains rank as well as or better than .com domains. Right?

Well, no. Especially when you realize that todaynews.com is a domain parking page with no content that is remotely related to "today" or "news" or "todaynews".

Now you understood what it is important and useful for domain rank. Content, not com or info.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by latestnewsheadline

Now you understood what it is important and useful for domain rank. Content, not com or info.

"Now" I understand? Excuse me?

Nobody, and I mean nobody here, has challenged the idea that a page with content - even if that content is nothing but a bunch of aggregated RSS feed links - nobody has challenged the fact that a page with content can outrank a domain parking page. It's ridiculous to suggest that I or anyone else here doesn't understand that role of website content in ranking web pages in search engines.

It also seems like you're trying to suggest that your example (the fact that your web page hosted on a .info domain outranks a domain parking page

) provides conclusive evidence that choice in TLD has no effect on how a page ranks in Google. I'm afraid it does not, and if you don't understand why, then I probably can't explain it to you.

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Originally Posted by mojojuju

It also seems like you're trying to suggest that your example (the fact that your web page hosted on a .info domain outranks a domain parking page

) provides conclusive evidence that choice in TLD has no effect on how a page ranks in Google.

I don't try to suggest anything. This is the fact. The web site content, hosted on a .any , outranks a domain parking page, even if it is .com or .info
Probably you disagree, but in my opinion, content makes difference, not .com or info.
If not, and you agree - content makes difference - why do we have this discussion?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by latestnewsheadline

I don't try to suggest anything. This is the fact. The web site content, hosted on a .any , outranks a domain parking page, even if it is .com or .info

That was never disputed by myself or anyone else here. What I did question was whether or not a .com would outrank a .info given that both pages had the same content, along with all other conditions being the same.

Originally Posted by latestnewsheadline

Probably you disagree, but in my opinion, content makes difference, not .com or info.

I do not disagree that content makes a difference. But I do question whether .com or .info makes a difference (even a negligible one), and I'm reluctant to say it does or doesn't make a difference - without having sufficient empirical evidence to base my opinion on.

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Originally Posted by mojojuju

What I did question was whether or not a .com would outrank a .info given that both pages had the same content, along with all other conditions being the same.

Can be only in theory... not in practice.
Sorry to tell you, but we waste our time, argue on this topic.
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Originally Posted by mojojuju

Google is said to be using machine-learning more since its recent Panda update. Could machine learning recognize a correlation between spammy websites and the .info TLD, and then could this become a factor in the way that .info domains are ranked?

I don't know, Mojo, but people have been debating that question (at the very least) ever since I've been online (admittedly without the specific words "Panda Update" in the question before April 2011, but they're always felt they had some "plausible" reason to wonder), and all that time Google has patiently been explaining that "it ain't so". It never ends: Matt Cutts said it yet again in a recent interview I read not long before Christmas.

I remember, in 2008/9, people here were "announcing" that ".info domains were hard to rank because Google sees them as the preserve of scammers and spammers"!! :p I remember thinking at the time - and I still think now - that most scammers and spammers actually use .com domains!

I've said enough in this thread, clearly (some apparently think "too much"!), but to me, the whole thing is really nonsense, and I just can't it take it very seriously. Respectfully (and you know me well enough to know that I'm not saying that "just to be polite"), I think if people have the time to do some SEO research, given all the things about which Google's really cagey and mysterious, there are probably 10 better ways to spend it than experimenting on something which frankly has no real mystery at all, given the lack of ambiguity of the information about it - and evidence for that - already in the public domain. It's just my perspective!

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I don't know, Mojo, but people have been debating that question (at the very least) ever since I've been online (admittedly without the specific words "Panda Update" in the question before April 2011, but they're always felt they had some "plausible" reason to wonder), and all that time Google has patiently been explaining that "it ain't so". It never ends: Matt Cutts said it yet again in a recent interview I read not long before Christmas.

I've mentioned before that I don't think Google is going to give away the farm regarding how to rank well in Google to swarms of IMers and SEO guys, through the mouth of Matt Cutts. I think that anything Matt Cutts says should be prepended in the mind of the listener with an implicit "for the most part" or "it's generally the case that...".

But that's just me.

However, if you have time to look up the URLs of some of the interviews with Google employees that you've mentioned, I'd like to see them. Maybe we can examine them a bit and look at the context a little?

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I remember, in 2008/9, people here were "announcing" that ".info domains were hard to rank because Google sees them as the preserve of scammers and spammers"!! :p I remember thinking at the time - and I still think now - that most scammers and spammers actually use .com domains!

That wouldn't surprise me a bit considering that .com domains outnumber .info domains about 14 to 1.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I've said enough in this thread, clearly (some apparently think "too much"!), but to me, the whole thing is really nonsense, and I just can't it take it very seriously.

Is it nonsense to wonder from a professional, scientific, or just plain leisurely viewpoint whether or not .info domains rank as well as (or better, or worse than) other TLDs?

BTW, you sure do spend a lot of time concerning yourself with a topic you consider to be "nonsense".

And in all of those discussions, at least the one's I've read, you seem vehemently opposed to anyone even questioning whether .infos and .coms are on the same footing as far as search ranking goes. It seems that a self professed "skepchick" would not want to get in the way of other "skeptics".

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Respectfully (and you know me well enough to know that I'm not saying that "just to be polite"), I think if people have the time to do some SEO research, given all the things about which Google's really cagey and mysterious, there are probably 10 better ways to spend it than experimenting on something which frankly has no real mystery at all, given the lack of ambiguity of the information about it - and evidence for that - already in the public domain. It's just my perspective!

If people are putting time or money into SEO, and given that there are suspicions (albeit unconfirmed ones or not) among SEO professionals that .info domains don't rank as well as .com domains, then I think it makes perfect sense to get a .com, just to be on the safe side. It's not like there's any known or suspected downside of having a .com domain name, and it's not the case that they're really expensive. It's literally pennies a day.

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

BTW, you sure do spend a lot of time concerning yourself with a topic you consider to be nonsense

LOL, not so much at all - if you look a little more carefully, you'll see that many of those posts are the same information, just pasted in. :p

Nice try, though.

Originally Posted by mojojuju

I think it makes perfect sense to get a .com

As I keep on mentioning, myself, I wouldn't dream of setting up a business website on a domain-name of which the .com variant already belonged to someone else. I almost always buy the .com. I use the .info (because that carries so much more credibility with my subscribers/customers/visitors as an "informational site" than a "salesy"-looking .com - and they keep saying so. I just redirect the .com domain I'm not using to the .info domain I am using.

Originally Posted by mojojuju

It's not like there's any known or suspected downside of having a .com domain name

"Having", no. "Using" yes - for me. As I keep explaining: my customers think that .info domain-names have more credibility and authority. To them (and that's what matters to me) a ".info" domain speaks of "information" and conveys objectivity and authority, whereas a ".com" speaks of "just another marketer trying to sell me things".

We do well to listen to and learn from our customers/visitors/subscribers.

Originally Posted by mojojuju

it's not the case that they're really expensive. It's literally pennies a day.

I'm buying them anyway, as I explain in many of those posts you yourself kindly linked to - I don't want someone else owning "my .com". I'm just using the .info for my site because my customers prefer it, and of course because they're known and proven to be identical for ranking/SEO purposes anyway. I make more money that way. Hope that's ok with you, Mojo.

It doesn't have to be either/or, you see ... you can have both, and just use the one the customers like!
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sbucciarel

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Nikita A Beriozkin

..... If you're looking at paid traffic options .info is fine. You will have a harder time ranking .info's than .com's in the SERPs despite what several other posters have claimed. You can still certainly do it, and if your comp. is not that big, you could do it quite easily. But .com's and .net's are easier to rank than .info's. That's from personal experience. Not having Matt Cuts come out and say so directly doesn't really mean anything.

Cheers.

... and from personal experience, I've had ZERO difficulty getting .info to rank. Given the same conditions for a .com and a .info, my .info will perform as well as a .com every time.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

... and from personal experience, I've had ZERO difficulty getting .info to rank. Given the same conditions for a .com and a .info, my .info will perform as well as a .com every time.

This is certainly my experience, and of course the experience I know of others who have tested for themselves, and reported here accordingly.

But I reluctantly accept that it apparently won't satisfy people who - for some reason - disbelieve them all and imagine that "SEOMoz" is more of an authority than Google is!

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sbucciarel

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

This is certainly my experience, and of course the experience I know of others who have tested for themselves, and reported here accordingly.

But I reluctantly accept that it apparently won't satisfy people who - for some reason - imagine that "SEOMoz" is more of an authority than Google is!

It's fine with me. I like unfounded biases. Makes more great .info's available for me.

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Niko A Berezkin

12 years ago

Here's just a quick Web Search which show SEOMoz.org all out stating to avoid second level TLD's such as .mobi, and .INFO:

The Exact Match Domain Playbook: A Guide and Best Practices for EMDs | SEOmoz

look towards the middle of the article:

"
EMD and domain best practices

Always be willing to spend 10-15% of your overall budget on the BEST domain name you can get. It will make a big difference in both the short and long run. Dive into the aftermarket, and send some emails.
Skip the second level TLD’s - .mobi / .travel / .info isn’t worth it.
No more than one dash in your domain (better to just skip dash domains altogether)
3-4 words max for .com EMD’s
2-3 words max for .net/.org EMD’s
Best to build a Brand site on a keyword domain so you get both brand mentions and generic intent keywords (see Toys.com owned by ToysRus.com and associates)
Geo-local EMD’s are great to own, and offer lower barriers to entry
You're going to have to focus some efforts on "de-optimization" "

That's SEO Moz. A pretty high authority on SEO in most people's view I would imagine.

And I could just as easily find as many references as you have listed

But again.... test for your self.

To O.P.

get the .info if it's not a terribly competitive space. If it is, go with a keyword loaded .com/.net/.org With the right SEO tactics you can still rank nicely and avoid any potential EMD complications later.

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daveaball

12 years ago

I agree with seomoz one of the most respected seo forums , websites there is .
Having been a Internet marketer for 3 years its my advice to stay away from the likes of .info .
If yiur having success with .info s well done you .
If your starting out I suggest the .com road , there is plenty available .
By the way I have read the thread it's my opinion if u don't like it don't read it
Alexa

Originally Posted by Nikita A Beriozkin

Here's just a quick Web Search which show SEOMoz.org all out stating to avoid second level TLD's such as .mobi, and .INFO:

The Exact Match Domain Playbook: A Guide and Best Practices for EMDs | SEOmoz

look towards the middle of the article:

"
EMD and domain best practices

Always be willing to spend 10-15% of your overall budget on the BEST domain name you can get. It will make a big difference in both the short and long run. Dive into the aftermarket, and send some emails.
Skip the second level TLD's - .mobi / .travel / .info isn't worth it.
No more than one dash in your domain (better to just skip dash domains altogether)
3-4 words max for .com EMD's
2-3 words max for .net/.org EMD's
Best to build a Brand site on a keyword domain so you get both brand mentions and generic intent keywords (see Toys.com owned by ToysRus.com and associates)
Geo-local EMD's are great to own, and offer lower barriers to entry
You're going to have to focus some efforts on "de-optimization" "

That's SEO Moz. A pretty high authority on SEO in most people's view I would imagine.

And I could just as easily find as many references as you have listed

But again.... test for your self.

To O.P.

get the .info if it's not a terribly competitive space. If it is, go with a keyword loaded .com/.net/.org With the right SEO tactics you can still rank nicely and avoid any potential EMD complications later.

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DubDubDubDot

12 years ago

I don't know if it's true or not, but there was some speculation that Google was penalizing .info because GoDaddy sold them for 99 cents for so many years. It kind of became the ghetto of the internet. Every scammer/spammer was buying the cheapo .info to do their dirty work on. So the concept was that .info's threshold to be taken seriously by Google was a bit higher than other extensions. But once you got over that hump, it was treated like the common extensions. Again, this was just speculation and it can't be proven either way.

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AmitShaw

12 years ago

Already a great thread with lots of superb reply. I will suggest .com and .net domain.

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Jill Carpenter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbiemarketer76

But I was looking to purchase a domain to be used to sell a product I made.

This is all we need to know.

Forget about ranking.

This is your product - your baby.

I would get the dot com.

Forget about exact match domain - unless that is the name of your product.

The actual name of the product should be your domain name.

If that is not available you may want to look into the reasons for that.

You may need to rename your product.

(added: if you are the expert, consider branding with your own name)

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Sushiman1111

12 years ago

According to Adam Short, the guy over at Niche Profit Classroom (and so who has access to a heck of a lot of data on this stuff), .com is the best, followed by .org and .net, then .info and .co.

I make no certifications about this, but it was interesting to me that .org outranked .net, as most people think that it's the other way around. Also, I haven't had any problems ranking any of these extensions, and I've used all five on one site or another. I would suggest to newbies that they stay away from the .co, simply because it's far more expensive than the others, but you can rank all of them without worrying if you do a little SEO.

Also, if you can't get your first choice of domain extension, it pays to check out what the the person who does have it is doing with it. There have been a few times when I've tried for a .com, found that it was taken, but that the person who owned it wasn't doing anything with it. In that case, a .info or something will do just fine.

Finally, I think that there's a slight advantage to having a .com, not necessarily because of direct SEO factors, but simply because in most people's minds "the internet = .com". If you have a .somethingelse, you may lose a few visitors who remembered the name of your website but not the extension and "automatically" typed in the .com version. But this probably isn't a large enough factor to worry about.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbiemarketer76

I searched the site and couldn't find any real answers.

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imraghavthakur

12 years ago

I will always go with a .com domain... easy to handle and there is a good reason why they call it a TOP LEVEL DOMAIN..

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dukegman

12 years ago

.info does NOT look professional. Although from SEO prospective it wont make much of a difference, but when it comes to selling a product, .info should not be on your list as an option. It will make you look really unprofessional.

The best solution:

- Registed a varation over com extension, plus also register the exact match .info one.

- Build the site on .com domain, and then redirect .info to it.

Simple as that.

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daveaball

12 years ago

Always go for a .com /net or org the rest are a lot harder to rank and if ur new you will regret it , simple as that . On my blog daveballonline.com if you have a look at the posts to the side u will find a post about choosing a domain name .
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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by daveaball

Always go for a .com /net or org the rest are a lot harder to rank

There just isn't a way to prevent people who believe this urban myth, and haven't actually read the thread or clicked on any of its links before replying, from repeating this misguided fiction as "advice", is there? Heaven forbid that anyone should ever actually take the trouble to verify the facts before trying to advise others.

Are there seriously people who imagine that SEOMoz is a more authoritative source than Google ("how's that working out for you"?!), or is it just the only "source" they can dredge up, to perpetuate a discussion, when disconcertingly faced with factual evidence?!

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Lucian Lada

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

There just isn't a way to prevent people who believe this urban myth, and haven't actually read the thread or clicked on any of its links before replying, from repeating this misguided fiction as "advice", is there?

No, there isn't.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Heaven forbid that anyone should ever actually take the trouble to verify the facts before trying to advise others.

Yeah, sure, like they could be bothered... (don't you know people don't read articles longer than 300 words?

And I thought you knew your stuff... I'm disappointed).

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Are there seriously people who imagine that SEOMoz is a more authoritative source than Google

Yes, most people.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

("how's that working out for you"?!)

Now you're just being unreasonable: how could they know if they only follow one camp? The nerve of even asking such a think...

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

or is it just the only "source" they can dredge up, to perpetuate a discussion, when disconcertingly faced with factual evidence?!

Well, that was just an obvious subtle promotion. (A paradox, I know.)

Bottom line: my next niche will be about conspiracies.

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vhk510

12 years ago

People don't really respect .info domains these days. They feel half of them are spam. Better go for .com or .net

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napoleonfirst

12 years ago

I do not think it is not right for you to buy a .info domain as search engines do nit respect them that much. I think you should go buy a expired domain with the keyword included in the name. You just have to search " expired domains" in Google to find a site offering expired domains. .com, .net and .org are respected extensions. Wordpress blogs are very respected and well ranked in search engines.

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Matt79

12 years ago

I asked a few friends that are not in the IM, just regular people world about their thoughts about domain names, in particular what they prefer .com .net. .org .info, etc... For the most part, it didn't matter to them what it was. Rather, they don't know the difference. And the only time it mattered was if someone told them about a domain name, they instantly typed the .com version. Then I asked how often they actually type a domain name in the browser, answer rarely.

So with that highly thorough scientific study

, and my own experiences in easily ranking .info sites, as long as your content is solid I don't think it matters.

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Austin E Anthony

12 years ago

The first money I made online was with a dot info domain. That was years ago. I think from a customer point of view, it is better to go for the top level ones.

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jonj31070

12 years ago

To all of the people disputing Alexa Smith, I really wouldn't do that. She is one of the most successful Warriors out there. I purposefully look for her posts to see what she has to say. I have followed some of her advice and it has made me money (I probably should send her some royalties)

I have found that I can rank .info domains just as well as .com domains. The good thing is they are cheap, so give it a try. You have very little to lose.

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jonj31070

To all of the people disputing Alexa Smith, I really wouldn't do that. She is one of the most successful Warriors out there.

Call me a skepchick, but why do you believe that?

Question everything. Especially the advice of those you blindly trust.

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jonj31070 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Call me a skepchick, but why do you believe that?

Question everything. Especially the advice of those you blindly trust.

It's not blind trust. Alexa has an impeccable reputation here.
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  It's not blind trust. Alexa has an impeccable reputation here.
  
  That's relative. However, results are not. I vote for results over reputation every single time. So far, she hasn't disappointed.
  
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Michael_Le

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Call me a skepchick, but why do you believe that?

Question everything. Especially the advice of those you blindly trust.

Lol.....have to agree here, just cos someone projects the image of being a "guru", it doesn't mean they are, after all, this is the internet and everyone is behind a computer screen. However, Alexa's views on .info are correct.

The fact is, a .info will rank just as good as any other TLD out there, but whether it will beat a .com if both had the same content, same links etc etc, well I don't know as I haven't tried it.......

anyway, this subject has been done to death and there are enough threads on this if people would just use the search function on here. I'm off!

Note: it really depends what you are using a .info for, if it's to build a brand then go with a .com, however if your just building an affiliate site just go with a .info, after all, it's INFOmation your putting on your site right?

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

Lol.....have to agree here, just cos someone projects the image of being a "guru", it doesn't mean they are, after all, this is the internet and everyone is behind a computer screen. However, Alexa's views on .info are correct.

Alexa's views are sensible and within the norm around here. I'm personally more interested in deriving conclusions from data and not the opinions or anecdotal advice given by any presumed experts.

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

The fact is, a .info will rank just as good as any other TLD out there, but whether it will beat a .com if both had the same content, same links etc etc, well I don't know as I haven't tried it.......

These statements seem a bit contradictory to me.

On one hand, you're saying the .info will rank as good as any other TLD. Then you questioned whether a .info would beat a .com with all other ranking considerations being equal.

The last part is what I'm interested in - with all things equal, will a .info rank as good as a .com?

People here are citing specific instances where a .info site has outranked a .com as "proof" that .info domains are as good as .coms for SEO purposes. And that's a ridiculous reason to believe that. It's like using the fact that there's a site with no content on it, and it ranks first page for the query "make money online", and saying that is reason to believe that sites without content can generally rank as well as or better than sites with content.

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

anyway, this subject has been done to death and there are enough threads on this if people would just use the search function on here. I'm off!

On the contrary, I don't think we've even begun to see any intelligent discussion on the subject of .info vs .com. By intelligent, I mean discussion that revolves around data and good experiments. I want facts, not rhetoric and the advice of forum heros based on their understanding (or misunderstanding) of their unpublished experiements.

I'm almost ready to start doing some SEO experiments on this subject. Anybody want to offer some design considerations?

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Anomalous

12 years ago

I personally don't care. If you have a business plan that relies heavily on organic search you have your work cut out for you. I couldn't care less if Google favors .com over .info.

There may be a concern as to credibility as some have mentioned, but again I don't care. This is easily overcome by quality content and a compelling offer.

I'm in the habit of using .info domains for ad rotators and tracking software, and .com for everything else. This is just force of habit for me.

If you are new to IM, don't start out with a dependence on Google. They will let you down, and they will do it often. You'll do better to buy traffic and build a list.

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John Ralph

12 years ago

.info domains work just fine in my oppinion, as long as the content is good, onsite seo is up to par you'll have no trouble ranking

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Cesar Sampaio

12 years ago

My 2c:

You don't see many .info domains in searches. But that is due to people treating them as disposable domains and they don't invest much time or money in them.

While a .info is not a strong brand as a .com it can work if treated like a normal domain and you have good content and SEO.

I would buy a .com over a .info any day of the week but if left with no choice I wouldn't treat my .info like a red headed stepchild.

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mojojuju

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Cesar Sampaio

My 2c:

You don't see many .info domains in searches. But that is due to people treating them as disposable domains and they don't invest much time or money in them.

Also consider that there are about 14 times as many .com domains registered as there are .info domains. http://www.whois.sc/internet-statistics/

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Cesar Sampaio 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Also consider that there are about 14 times as many .com domains registered as there are .info domains. Domain Counts & Internet Statistics | Whois Source

Even considering that .COMs were being bought many years before .INFOs were released, that's still a huge difference.

Even more if you consider that .INFOs are so much cheaper.

That's due to their (undeserved) bad rep, I believe.
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wuleinj

12 years ago

I have a domain with .info. Spent quite a lot of time and not able to make it rank well in Google. Dislike .info domain.

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DonnyBoy

12 years ago

For longer and good response, I would advise .com and if that is not available then go for .net... I won't go for any other... Will advise you the same

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srodoks

12 years ago

best to use an abbeviation that is very common and get a .com or.net?

I don't like the sound of .biz either

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seobro

12 years ago

At one time Go Daddy sold .info domain names - for 99 cents even. People started using em in spam. Then the .info extension got a poor rep. OK so trust me, people want the .com and not the .info as I have done experiments on this one. For example, tell a friend that your site is - abiglonghardtoremembername.info and they will automatically search for the dot com. There are so many extensions now. Best is to use com. If that one is gone, do not use .net or .org as you are wasting your money.

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