When being a mom doesn't pay the bills...

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I don't typically reach out in this type of way for help but I figure it can't hurt right? I have been reading, putting into action, and failing at almost every aspect of the online world.

This past summer I hit the road with my almost 3 year old after my ex husband was charged with child abuse of our son after shaking him. I don't want to make this into a long sob story because I have changed the life of my son and I for the better and he is medically doing well.

I found out shortly after leaving my ex that I was pregnant with my second child and began hitting the online world even harder. Unfortunately the online world hits back A LOT harder then me.

I do not buy into the new shiny thing and do not intend to begin but it seems I lack direction as to where to go from here. I can not afford to pour any more money into nonsense "training" or "coaches" who wind up knowing no more then I do. In fact I've wasted all I can trying to make it on here. I have two children to care for and the days of throwing around money have ended. Trying to sell services doesn't work well as I've already tried and gotten nowhere with it. I am willing to do anything short of selling my organs/body (graphic I know).

What or where do I go from here?
Being a mom doesn't pay the bills.
#bills #mom #pay
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Kaye
    That's a very honest post. I know it's tough out there, but I think you are right to search for income online. Maybe it's time to partner? You have a very heartfelt story. If you can make it online then you can truly inspire others to do the same.

    My advice is to stop buying products and start seeking out mentors!

    Best of luck to you and your son.
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  • Thanks Mark! I know that I have the drive to find something I'm good at, other then being mom of course haha just trying to figure out exactly what that is. Your idea of partnering with someone is interesting, I've never thought about working with someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    It seems like you're trying everything and anything to earn some bucks, and that's honestly, the wrong approach. It's always better to focus on one thing and try to scale it up and make it work.

    If you start your business promoting 500 different products, then it's going to be a tough ride. Find one product, promote it and work your damn ass off to earn something from it. Once you've made a success of that, THEN scale it up and find new products, new avenues, new earning potentials.

    My biggest earner at the moment is Amazon Affiliates, and it earns me absolutely tons. It was my first experience with marketing, and I've now scaled it up to the point where it bags me thousands and thousands every month.

    At the start, I didn't get a single sale for weeks/months. When I did, it was for $2. Wow, $10/month I said, such a horrible income. But then, I dug deeper and found out how to build a private blog network, how to do on-page SEO, how to market my reviews to social media.. Before I knew it, that one site became a success. I then built another site using the same principles and that too, became a success. I have since scaled it up to hundreds of Amazon sites, using the same tactic I perfected a long time ago.

    Find one thing that's fun for you, and that you're motivated to make work. Whether it's Amazon, Adsense, Empowernetwork, whatever.. Find one thing and stick to it. When it's a success - SCALE IT!!
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      Have you considered documenting your experiences in a Kindle book (the experience while not naming names and places)? Open Office is free to download online if you don't have word. If you can find the right person on Fiverr and perhaps you could get your ecover made that way.

      You might also want to create a free blog under your ebook author pen name to document your journey (without specific names and places to stay safe) and do some social networking with it--then monetize it and advertise your ebook. If you use blogger and have to create a Google email, be sure that your profile on there is set to private and the email address includes the author pen name.

      Once you start learning, there are a lot more things you can do with an ebook, like get it into print on demand and put it up as an ebook on a bunch of other places where people can also purchase it.

      You can search the forums on wahm.com, look at the professions section where women (and guys) work from home for more ideas, bloggers, telecommuters, writers, etc. Ratracerebellion.com has information that might help and I don't believe there are forums there to join.

      I don't know your situation and please don't add any personal information, but you might also want to look into contacting a social worker to see what help is available to you, or contact your local Bar Association and ask about pro bono legal help if that is what you need and can qualify due to finances.
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    There is a similar-ish thread to yours going on right now as well, have you had a look at

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...desperate.html ?

    If you have, just ignore this post, but it's full of great stuff that you can take and adapt to your particular style of doing business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tmill
    If there is an answer to getting rich quick online, I doubt the people with the answer will want to share. I have failed over and over, but along the way I have come across a couple things that are keeping me going.

    Find a product you like, make a website for it, get that website ranked for decent searches per month and then monetize with an affiliate for that product. Find all the ways possible to get traffic to this site and then try to keep scaling it up.

    It takes forever, but chasing the get rich quick method just doesn't work for most people. The people who get rich quick are the thinkers who are the first to try something. Anything you learn how to do from someone else is most likely exploited already and there is no money left to be made.

    I was always making micro sites and trying things that were easy and were said to make thousands of dollars, but it just never works out like that it seems. Put in honest hard work and you will get equivalent results
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    How about babysitting or a local child care service. Then use the internet to promote that service locally.

    Looking to make money online is like looking to make money in the newspaper. The money is not magically there, it will appear when you provide a product or service a reader needs. Getting your message to that reader is what the internet will help with.

    Also, I assume that you will be collecting child support for both kids. That will help with the bills. So, in a sense, being a mom does pay the bills
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  • Profile picture of the author stephfoster
    Pick one thing and work at it. You may need to consider a job as you try to make the business thing work. With caution, you can find legitimate jobs at home, depending on the skills you have to offer. I did medical transcription until my business did well enough. That one takes a lot of training before you can find a job, but there are other options out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    So sorry to hear of your problems in life. Things will only get better and always have faith that it will for you and your kid.

    The people who are doing well online are the ones that take action but sometimes taking action does not guarantee you success unless you do things right.

    You have got to do things that will work out. When it comes to making money online it all boils down to these things.

    Get a website in your niche.

    Capture emails of interested prospects.

    Offer them programs that will solve their problem.


    When you combine all 3, you will do well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick
    Hello, I have a job offer which will really pay you. If you are interested, drop me a PM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vimal Gobin
    Your English. It's good. Have you considered offering writing services? It's not a "send an email and wait for the commissions rolling in" kind of thing, but it can pay the bills.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I am so sorry to hear about your situation. It sure touched a nerve. A long time ago I dated someone whose son was severely and permanently injured by an ex-boyfriend via shaking. I sure hope you are in a stable place right now.

    I don't know Schwarzes, but he has been around a while and a quick look at his website looks like he knows wordpress. I'm sure other Warriors could vouch for him?

    If you can write - which you do do pretty well - and do web design, you should be able to find partners and/or get gigs here and in the for hire section. Or, pre-create and sell websites in the websites for sale section. I will keep your contact information in case I get back into providing internet marketing services. Feel free to PM me with links to websites you have done.

    Dan
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    • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
      Hi,
      You can provide video testimonial service in Fiverr.
      Or you can outsource web design jobs to Asian nations ... if this job suits you

      Thank you
      God bless.
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  • Profile picture of the author cupcakemonster
    I'm really sorry to hear your story. It sounds you've been backed into a tight corner, but you also sound level-headed and motivated to start making a better life for yourself. Even from your short post, I think it's fair to say that you'll probably be alright
    I've been making websites for almost a year now and I can honestly say that it works, but it does take time. I didn't pay for anything - no training, no coaches - except hosting and domain names. Maybe a great mentor would help, but I've found that the thing that helps the most is experience - mostly personal experience. I guess because even if what every one of us on this forum does is all related - i.e. "Internet stuff" - there are so many different ways of going about it and you don't know which way will work for you or suit you until you've tried it.
    The best way to figure this out is only through action. My first site took FOREVER to make - so many distractions, I didn't know what the hell I was doing, etc. It makes me something like $300 a month now. The second site barely took a month to make. It makes me something like $200 a month now. The third site took roughly a week. It makes nothing so far. The fourth site (which I just finished) took me two weeks. It's not monetized yet, but the point is that it gets sooooo much easier after awhile. I'm still not at my goal, but now that I can build a great site in two weeks' time, I know I'll have a portfolio of awesome sites that are making me full-time income by the end of this year.
    What I've found works for me is:
    1. Getting an idea (go on flippa, see what the sites on sale are making, look at the sites, find one you're interested in, etc.)
    2. Take the topic and do a quick mind map of relevant topics you can write about - search on Google and on Google Adwords to see what people are writing about that topic as well as what people are searching for on that topic
    3. Buy a domain name and immediately start publishing posts on that topic. I personally don't keyword stuff - I write purely from the perspective of someone who would be interested in that topic and what they'd like to read about. And I do manage to rank (although not as much as I'd like )
    4. Go over your posts and think of affiliate products that you can insert contextually into the post. There are affiliate products for absolutely everything under the sun. Just find a few that fit your market and/or your posts.
    5. Write other posts based on those affiliate products. For example, for one of my health sites, I wrote a post for people - a sort of How To - in getting over a soda addiction. In it, I inserted an affiliate ad for an at-home carbonation device. I find that these sorts of insertions tend to work pretty well, since they're helpful rather than intrusive and relevant to the topic at hand.
    6. Build up the site with a few dozen posts and then apply to ad networks (adsense, infolinks, etc.)
    My last site was built up like this - I have about 60 posts and it took me 2 weeks of intense focus.
    But it's hard to focus when you have immediate money needs. I would really recommend you maybe set up a home daycare service - which would allow you to stay at home and work on your sites during naptimes - and also would provide immediate income while you continue to work on building sites for the future.
    I really hope you find a way out of your position soon! And don't lose hope on making income online. As a girl doing this, I've found that there are whole niches that were MADE FOR women IM-ers - and sites that are best made for women, by women. My second site is totally for girls - I can't imagine a guy having made it - and I think it's doing quite well for something with only 50 posts.
    All our good wishes are with you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
    Mark Kaye is right. It does sounds like you haven't been focused in what you've been doing.

    It's hard to offer advice without knowing more specifics. What service did you offer?

    If you're without any regular income, put your IM dreams on hold and go get a job. Yes, I know it's hard. But IM isn't a genie in a bottle and it definitely takes time and some setup. (And I think it's always a bad idea to start a business when you're truly desperate. Desperation repels business.)

    Beyond that, my very best advice is:

    Clarity is a HUGE part of IM success. It's so simple when you know it -- and darn difficult when you don't! I owe my mentors a world of thanks for bringing this clarity.

    IM is actually pretty simple: you can sell only one of two things:

    1. Products
    2. Services

    That's it!

    And selling products or services online happens in the same basic way for everyone, no matter what they're selling:

    Traffic > Opt-in page > Autoresponder series (or e-zine) > Sales page

    That's it! It's just that simple. (We IMers tend to overcomplicate things.)

    But no matter what your niche is, or whether you're selling a product or a service, do you know what your business model is?

    A business model is the framework or skeleton of your business. Essentially there are three types of online business models:

    1. Membership-based model

    A membership-based business model allows you to build a community of people (your members) who are as passionate about your subject as you are. Your membership fees can be monthly or annual, but either way, you're building recurring, passive income.

    There are a lot of resources and information out there to help you build a membership-based business if you're interested in doing this.

    2. Product-based model

    Selling products allows you to maximize your time and effort by selling items over and over again. This can be hard goods or it can be information products. Information marketing is it's own business model under the product-based model. Information marketing allows you to take your brain to the bank by creating a product ONCE based on what you know and selling it over and over again.

    3. Service-based model

    Selling services can be great for 1) generating quick cash (as in the case of article writing or video producing) and 2) establishing your expertise and getting testimonials.

    (Affiliate marketing falls under both models. You can choose to market either products or services as an affiliate.)

    However, in the long run, your goal should be to offer services at a PREMIUM. The biggest advantage of IM is LEVERAGE. You're able to leverage your time, money and expertise exponentially online. We all have just 24 hours each day. Time to get ruthless about what you expect for those hours you spend in IM each day. Expect more of yourself and more from your business friends, clients, partners, etc.

    What results are you getting for those hours you spend online each day? Ultimately, your services should be at the bottom of your funnel and cost the most since they involve your time and personal attention. (We all have a limited amount of time each day.)

    The fun (and confusion) comes in with all of the endless mix-and-match possibilities of the above models. If you're just starting or still struggling to make money, keep it simple:

    Pick just ONE!

    1. Pick ONE niche. (Something you're interested in and know something about.)

    2. Pick ONE target market for your product or service. (Who will buy what you're offering? The more specific you are, the more you narrow it down, the more successful you'll be.)

    3. Pick ONE business model.

    Now that you're clear about what business you're in, FOCUS! (And stop buying any info not related to your niche and target market, period!)

    F -- Follow
    O -- One
    C -- Course
    U -- Until
    S -- Successful

    And remember: build a list, Build a List, BUILD A LIST!

    In IM, it's easy to put the cart before the horse. Take a deep breath, step back and consider what type of business you REALLY want. Don't worry about getting traffic or buying that expensive traffic product until you know 1) what your business model is, 2) what niche you're in and 3) WHO your target market is!

    Successful business people will tell you that MARKETING is more than half the effort that's needed for success anyway. So pick a niche, target market and business model. Then spend most of your time and effort marketing it.

    If you DON'T have a solid plan or system, THAT'S when it's hard. A good system will shave YEARS (and save you big $$$) off of your learning curve

    That's why I recommend investing in at least one good, comprehensive IM course (or mentor who will give you such a system) instead of jumping from one $37 e-book to the next. A lot of people here complain about not being able to make any money. But neither are they willing to invest in their business. (Buying a random bunch of $37 e-books doesn't count.)

    The best thing I ever did was invest in a comprehensive IM course aimed at REAL business owners, not just other IM wannabes. Yes it was $1500. (It's no longer available.) But it was truly some of the best A-Z IM info I ever bought. Everything else I've learned (from the $37 e-books) since has simply been plugged into this system.

    Get a solid plan or system and then work the plan!

    Hope this helps!

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  • Thank you everyone for the great advice, I didn't expect to have so many of you respond. If you give me some time I will respond to each one of you!
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by EnterpriseWebsites View Post

      Thank you everyone for the great advice, I didn't expect to have so many of you respond. If you give me some time I will respond to each one of you!
      Good luck with your efforts. I'm really sorry to hear about your struggles. If there's one thing I hate it's 'baby shakers.' No matter what else happens you've done a great thing getting far away from that S.O.B.
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      • Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

        Good luck with your efforts. I'm really sorry to hear about your struggles. If there's one thing I hate it's 'baby shakers.' No matter what else happens you've done a great thing getting far away from that S.O.B.
        Thank you PerformanceMan! It has been quite a journey in such a short period of time but my children come first over ANY man. We are slowly healing and I know while things may never be like they were before but they will get better. I agree that there is nothing worse then a child abuser and it is never ok to hurt an innocent child no matter their age!
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  • Icematikx- You are absolutely right, I have tried just about everything I can to legally make money although I did come across some that didn't seem so legal. My issue has been choosing one aspect of IM to focus on because they all seemed so interesting. When one didn't pan out quite as well as I had hoped I jumped to the next without trying to fix the other. Perhaps what I need to do is like you suggest find the one thing that jumps out at me and stick with it...must be the multitasking momma in me that makes me believe I can take it all on haha. :rolleyes: Thanks a bunch!

    AprilCT- No I hadn't thought about documenting anything but it does sound like a great idea! Believe it or not I am not much of a writer, I have the attention span of a squirrel. All joking aside perhaps this is an avenue that I should consider as it is about something I'd like others to be aware of should it ever heaven forbid happen to them. Thank you for the websites you referred me to, I haven't checked them out just yet and will let you know what I find once I have. CPS was involved in this case this fall and had placed my son with me with the strict guidelines that my ex have no involvement. Once he was charged and convicted (he plead guilty) he decided they no longer had a say and is trying to win joint custody. I know there is no way they will allow that with both my son and my daughter who is due in the next couple of months. Thank you for everything!

    johndetlefs- I had read that thread back when I first joined but thank you for posting it again, I reread it again last night to see if there was something I had missed. I'm not necessarily desperate as I did have some back up money for a situation like this but I don't want to live strictly off of my back up. Thank you again!

    Tmill- Hello there! You make a great point about chasing get rich quick schemes which is why I have never bought into the hype or the products that guarantee immediate results. I had tried affiliate marketing in the past and failed (I'm obviously a TERRIBLE salesman). It can't hurt to take a look again, it may just have been the product I had chosen that wasn't right for me. Many thanks!

    Rbtmarshall- I live in a very small town so child care services and those looking for child care is extremely scarce. It sounds like I have tons of research to do in order to get the ball rolling on here! I do not receive child support for either child as my ex believes that he should not have to pay for children he doesn't have access to. Sounds a bit backwards after what he's done but once the custody suit is over he will have no choice but to pay for his children. I again don't want to rely on that money to live so I'm trying to keep that separate from the money I earn (or hope to). Thank you!

    stephfoster- I have considered a real job but unfortunately I have a child that is unable to attend preschool/day care because of his current medical issues and a complicated pregnancy. I have an Anti-K antibody that is attacking my daughter's red blood cells and causes her to be extremely anemic. I am just over 7 months pregnant and have appointments 3 times a week to check on her and my OB/GYN has put me on strict orders not to work if only they knew that I wish I could! Thank you for your help!

    talfighel- I am living proof that taking action does not always equal success! You nailed it on the head with that statement. Time to rethink my strategies! Thanks!

    schwarzes- I will PM you immediately following this posting! Thank you for your kind offer to help.

    Vimal Gobin- I have tried to offer writing services but like I said I hate writing haha I bore easily and I have also noticed that many believe they should be able to get away with paying peanuts to writers. While it may be fulfilling to some if I don't like what I'm doing to begin with, being insulted with table scraps for my hard work doesn't make it any better! Maybe I was using the wrong place to list my writing services? Do you have any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

    bizgrower- Hello Dan! It is truly a hard situation to be in especially when the person who committed the crime was the one who helped you make the child! I am in a much more stable place with my family far away from him. I am sorry to have struck a nerve and I hope your ex and her child are better off now! I listed my services twice here on WF but I believe that because my sites were rather simple and I wasn't making wild claims about revenue, PR, or overall success one would have, they weren't received well. It seems to me that to have success with services you have the throw in everything plus the kitchen sink at a price that leave you with little bottom line. Again perhaps WF isn't the place for me to list my services, do you have any suggestions where I could list my services? Thanks!

    dsouravs- I hadn't thought about selling video testimonials but I am willing to give anything a shot at least once. I will have to wait until after my daughter's birth because unless someone is looking for a testimonial for a pregnancy/baby related product I don't think they're going to want a 7 month pregnant woman on screen haha! Thank You!

    cupcakemonster- I have been backed into a tight corner but I have found that any time I am I fight back that must harder. Your suggestions have made it quite clear that my road maps were a bit well, lacking! I knew everything I needed to do but it seems like I can't get past my own mental roadblocks. Another poster had also recommended childcare services but like I responded there isn't much of a market where I live for it and I have my hands pretty full with medical appointments for my son and I! I only wish that I could work as it would take some stress off of me to get everything rolling on here right away. Thank you for all the information and your help!

    Nightengale- Mark was absolutely correct, my work has been extremely scatter brained but I did make sure to give each attempt the same about of attention before jumping to the next. Obviously with my failure rate it wasn't the correct attention otherwise something would have worked by now. I offered web design services but they were simple designs that I knew was nothing like my normal work (if they were I would have made only a few sales based on my fees) and got only a couple of bites. I believe my lack of promising $5,000 a month in revenue for my websites hurt my sales but I didn't want to make wild claims that wouldn't pan out for everyone! Thank you so much for all of the information you provided, I printed it out to help my focus a bit more today when I begin my brainstorming. Thanks a million!
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    • Profile picture of the author Vimal Gobin
      Originally Posted by EnterpriseWebsites View Post

      Vimal Gobin- I have tried to offer writing services but like I said I hate writing haha I bore easily and I have also noticed that many believe they should be able to get away with paying peanuts to writers. While it may be fulfilling to some if I don't like what I'm doing to begin with, being insulted with table scraps for my hard work doesn't make it any better! Maybe I was using the wrong place to list my writing services? Do you have any suggestions? Thanks in advance!
      1. I don't really enjoy writing either. And I am not even desperate. But I do it, for now (I'm a full-time medical student). I'm an expensive guy and writing helps pay for the stuff I want (and don't really need).

      2. Hmmm... I know there are people offering content for dirt cheap, but it does not mean you have to follow their path. How much are you willing to write for? (but it's okay if you are not willing to write at all )

      3. "I hate writing". Your "Interests" (under the "About Me" section of your WF profile) says otherwise
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  • Profile picture of the author jpsween88
    This might be a hard topic to write for you, but I'm sure there are a lot of woman like you that seek the internet for comfort or information due to their abusive relationships. Since this area of topic relates to your life as well you can start a site about how you overcame some of the hard goings and got the courage to walk away and start over.

    It sounds like you have some excellent writing skills, and I would be willing to bet a lot of people would be willing to read what you write. Write an ebook and sell it on your site/amazon/clickbank
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      EnterpriseWebsites,

      Good luck to you. I've been in difficult spots the last year or two, but I'm single with no kids. I can't imagine being in that spot with kids depending on you.

      I understand your problems with taking a day job. (I have medical issues myself and a "regular" day job is problematic, to say the least.)

      It's hard when you need money NOW, but unfortunately, that's exactly what sabotages your efforts in the beginning. I can't stress enough the importance of choosing a niche and target market! Also, it's extremely important to build a list. I can't overemphasize it.

      Once you've made these decisions and have gotten started, there IS this testing ground, a period where you have to basically prove yourself to your audience and market. My own mentor (a multimillionaire) says that this period can range from 6 months to a year. This isn't very long in the scheme of building a real business. And yes, you can definitely make money during that period. But it's the time you need to build a list of at least 1,000 and get some traction in your market.

      Which just emphasizes the need to build a "real" business and treat it like a business, instead of jumping from one bright shiny object to another, treating each like a hobby.

      If you want to design websites, that's great! But don't feel like you have to promise that your sites will make $X. You can't promise that. Instead, focus on improving your design skills so you can be competitive and making sure you know how to design/build sites that help marketers build their businesses: i.e. make sure you put opt-in forms on their sites, include autoresponders, etc.

      Hope this helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
    I would be more than happy to assist you, free of charge - and can prove financials so you don't feel like you are being lead on some hyped up path. However I'm involved with eCommerce and platforms such as eBay.

    That goes for anyone else too.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    You really need to focus heavily on doing just ONE thing and
    getting good at it.

    Never buy another product unless it's from profits you've earned.

    If you're going to go down the track of designing websites be
    aware that the larger part of the work for you will likely be in getting
    paying clients.

    The design work may sound attractive but how happy are you about
    the daily graft of trying to get people to hire you.

    If you develop some serious skills in an area then you may be able to
    do a joint venture with someone willing to bring you clients.

    Expect to pay them half of what the client is charged (this really
    isn't a big deal as long as they're charging enough...you're goal
    is to get the money you need).


    Ultimately internet marketing is not easy and you're going to have
    work very hard in one field for quite some time to make a substantial
    income.

    There may be other ways of making money working from home eg.
    telemarketing work or doing phone surveys.

    You might also find some kind of product you can make from home
    that is selling in a couple of local shops well.

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  • Profile picture of the author samah
    Hi dear, i really feel you as i am a mother as well. I want really to help you please PM me. I do that just for help and i don't charge anything.

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  • Profile picture of the author InBrussels
    Start Making Multiple Streams of Income.

    Sell Services - Sell Articles on fiverr, freelancer, odesk
    Forum - Find JV's, Sell Services. You can also Artbitrage (Buy On Fiverr, Sell To Others)
    Offline Clients - Be good at something and get offline clients. pay others to refer you.
    Partners - If you can't Do something, Get a partner to complement you.
    Friends - Make Friends, talk to people and stay in touch. It really matters if you have people's trust.

    The point is try to do multiple things and get really good at them so you can have consistent earnings.
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  • You said you tried offering your services, but didn't get significant results. You can list down your IM and tech-related skills and expertise in specialized subject areas. Then:

    Think of corporations and companies that could be interested in hiring people with those tech and IM-related skills and expertise in those specialized subject areas, mainly because they also operate in the same industries and subject areas. List them down. Next:

    Prune your list down to local corporations and companies with recently launched products, especially those with affiliate programs. Contact them and offer your services as a dedicated part time or full time homebased/telecommuting subcontractor, and also tell them that you'd be using your free time and own resources to generate sales for them, because you're also interested in signing up as their affiliate. This way:

    1. You have a homebased part time or full time job that pays well. Corporations and large companies offer good monthly wages, even to homebased subcontractors; and

    2. You can work on your affiliate marketing business after your daily homebased tasks, giving you the chance to earn more. Plus:

    When they get significant results from your part time or full time tasks as well as substantial traffic, leads and sales from your affiliate marketing work:

    • You can offer your training, management and supervisory services and handle a team of homebased part time and full time subcontractors as well as a team of affiliates, in which your objective is to duplicate your results and multiply it with a team of homebased part time or full time subcontractors and a team of affiliates that they pay you to build, train and handle. This way:

    • You'd be paid for your homebased part time or full time work, earn additional income for running your own homebased business by hiring a VA to help you train and manage a team of homebased part time subcontractors and a team of affiliates for your client, and earn more commissions from more sales generated by your team of affiliates...

    That's what I'd... Oh, that's similar to what I did when I went totally blind, permanently, nine years ago, after someone gunned me down, twice. Feel free to read the pages linked by my sig below. There's also a video documentary in the left sidebar of one of those pages that could perhaps be helpful...
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Well, look. This is Channing, not Joan, but I'm not sympathetic to you even slightly. You had some child abuser for a partner and you obviously don't know up from down in any part of your life. You have ZERO chance of making it online imo and there are thousands of stories in the world like yours and I don't care at all, because you people make POOR choices in life and you are obviously lazy and want a handout.

    Yeah, I come from a rough neighborhood, and maybe I seem like an asshole, but you need to work, period. Lame excuses don't get my sympathy and my Mom worked her ass off to support me when my Dad left us....and at a time in the USA when salary for women was much LESS than it is now due to inequality in pay for women.

    So you made this public, and I'm telling you to get your ass to work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bewley
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      Well, look. This is Channing, not Joan, but I'm not sympathetic to you even slightly. You had some child abuser for a partner and you obviously don't know up from down in any part of your life. You have ZERO chance of making it online imo and there are thousands of stories in the world like yours and I don't care at all, because you people make POOR choices in life and you are obviously lazy and want a handout.

      Yeah, I come from a rough neighborhood, and maybe I seem like an asshole, but you need to work, period. Lame excuses don't get my sympathy and my Mom worked her ass off to support me when my Dad left us....and at a time in the USA when salary for women was much LESS than it is now due to inequality in pay for women.

      So you made this public, and I'm telling you to get your ass to work.
      I don't read anywhere in her OP that she was asking for a handout. She was asking for advice. Also, she found out later that her partner was a child abuser - she did not seek him out via datingforchildabusers.com!

      How do you come to the conclusion that she is lazy? What sort of work would you suggest for a 7 month pregnant woman?

      You really are a nasty, vile little toad - why bother posting at all, if all you can offer is hateful & negative bile!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Please, people - your attack and defense of someone you don't know reflects on you poorly.

        I offered web design services but they were simple designs that I knew was nothing like my normal work (if they were I would have made only a few sales based on my fees) and got only a couple of bites. I believe my lack of promising $5,000 a month in revenue for my websites hurt my sales but I didn't want to make wild claims
        You ran your first ad the day after joining - not selling writing but high priced websites. You tried to start at the top and it didn't work. In later ads the prices came down somewhat but all of the sites offered were thin on content and big on links that could be cheaply outsourced to Fiverr. Not saying they were - but that's often the case and people know it.

        Point is - I think you are wrong about the reasons your ads didn't work and understanding what was wrong helps you avoid the problem going forward.

        In the first ad you made an income claim of "our personal sites earn $150-$3500 each per month". If not true - isn't it the same as promising income to buyers? Except for the most recent ad, you used the terms "we" and "our" with no explanation of who "we" are.

        When between a rock and a hard place, be grateful you have the ability to write and build sites as both can earn income if you approach it right. Loving what you do is a plus - but as the responsible adult you don't always have that option.

        The personal issues are tough - but once you've explained the problems, let it go and move on to business.
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    • Profile picture of the author GoodFE
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      Well, look. This is Channing, not Joan, but I'm not sympathetic to you even slightly. You had some child abuser for a partner and you obviously don't know up from down in any part of your life. You have ZERO chance of making it online imo and there are thousands of stories in the world like yours and I don't care at all, because you people make POOR choices in life and you are obviously lazy and want a handout.

      Yeah, I come from a rough neighborhood, and maybe I seem like an asshole, but you need to work, period. Lame excuses don't get my sympathy and my Mom worked her ass off to support me when my Dad left us....and at a time in the USA when salary for women was much LESS than it is now due to inequality in pay for women.

      So you made this public, and I'm telling you to get your ass to work.
      That is the most insane reply I have ever read, and I include the YouTube comment section in that...
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      Well, look. This is Channing, not Joan, but I'm not sympathetic to you even slightly. You had some child abuser for a partner and you obviously don't know up from down in any part of your life. You have ZERO chance of making it online imo and there are thousands of stories in the world like yours and I don't care at all, because you people make POOR choices in life and you are obviously lazy and want a handout.

      Yeah, I come from a rough neighborhood, and maybe I seem like an asshole, but you need to work, period. Lame excuses don't get my sympathy and my Mom worked her ass off to support me when my Dad left us....and at a time in the USA when salary for women was much LESS than it is now due to inequality in pay for women.

      So you made this public, and I'm telling you to get your ass to work.
      Wow!!!!! I am all for a stern kick in the ass from time to time, but you kicked her right square in the face. WTF. I hate sob stories I really do and maybe today I am feeling nice, but there seems to be a sincerity to this post so I offered some help.
      I would if I were you remember that the people here can turn into really good business parteners, and with the hate you juts spewed I doubt many that see this will have anytime for you. I can only imagine doing a $100k in sales on a JV with you only to have you jump on a thread say something stupid and hurtful. Refund, refund, refund. Now we are broke and have a terrible rep.

      All I am suggesting is some tact may serve you better in the future
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    As a single parent who raised a son from an infant to now (he turns 15 this spring ), who's had some very wild swings of fortune over the years (from buying $100k cars, to being evicted - I've been across he spectrum), I still find it hard to imagine the difficulty you must be going through..

    All I can say is this: please, read what Nightengale wrote. She really did lay it out exactly. Traffic > opt-in page > promote/sell to list. IT WORKS. You just need some laser focus
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  • Thank you everyone for the ongoing advice! Again please give me some time to answer everyone individually.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoodFE
    I'm very sorry to hear about your situation. I am currently making a successful living from Kindle at the moment and I would be happy to give advice if you are interested.

    Firstly, I must mention that Amazon will take 90 days to pay you for your work, so it will take time and effort at the beginning. There would be zero start up cost for this and I would be happy to tell you everything I did to make my money.

    I should advise that I write my books in the fiction section, generally romance or erotica, so I understand if that is off putting.

    If you want more info then feel free to PM me anytime and I will share everything I know. If you choose to go another path, I hope its a successful one!
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  • Let's start with:

    Joan Altz (Channing)- I'm a bit confused by your obvious attack on what I've had to say.It seems that many have the misconception that the abused are to blame, after all I had to have known he had hurt my son right? SBS (shaken baby syndrome) doesn't leave bruises, it doesn't leave visible scars or signs like "typical" abuse. I found out because my son became ill and his head size began to increase. My son's pediatrician thought my son initially developed water on the brain, it wasn't until he suggested bringing him to the hospital after he had a seizure in his office that they began running tests and realized just what was wrong. He had bilateral subdural hematomas, several fractured ribs, and retinal hemmoraging. I was interviewed by CPS but when they interviewed my ex he immediately confessed. From the moment I found out it was him, he was barred from seeing my son or having any contact with me because I filed for an EPO (Emergency Protection Order). I didn't stay with him, or choose a child abuser as a partner. Do you think I enjoy not being able to work because my son who had been born perfectly healthy now has to be monitored by doctors? Do you believe I enjoyed watching my son have a shunt placed into his head and have to go through multiple repeat surgeries? I didn't sit by some "man" who abused my son I kicked his a** to the curb and left as soon as I could. It seems to me you could use some faith and humanity in your life because you come off as nothing but bitter and crude. I can only pray you find some peace and understanding in your life not only for yourself but for others. Thank you for your advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author betterwtveter
    I know it is hard to hear this, but if you are desperate, you need to find a real job before you get into marketing full time in my opinion. If you can get a friend or family to help you out to help take care of you kid and get a job, I recommend you to make some money, and do marketing online part time until you get back on your feet.
    For me honestly, it took me 5-8 months to start making real money online, for others it will be different, but you need to work a real job and work part time online until the real money comes in.
    Here are my recommendations to start making legit money online part time:
    - Fiverr
    - CPA offers
    - Ebay
    - Affiliate marketing
    - Web Design
    Hope this gets you in the right direction
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    • Profile picture of the author Honest Tune
      Originally Posted by betterwtveter View Post

      I know it is hard to hear this, but if you are desperate, you need to find a real job before you get into marketing full time in my opinion. If you can get a friend or family to help you out to help take care of you kid and get a job, I recommend you to make some money, and do marketing online part time until you get back on your feet.
      For me honestly, it took me 5-8 months to start making real money online, for others it will be different, but you need to work a real job and work part time online until the real money comes in.
      Here are my recommendations to start making legit money online part time:
      - Fiverr
      - CPA offers
      - Ebay
      - Affiliate marketing
      - Web Design
      Hope this gets you in the right direction
      Sorry for your travails as well. I agree with what this poster said. If you can find any job so you can pay the bills, you can focus better on the IM strategies that take time to build.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Originally Posted by EnterpriseWebsites View Post

    I don't typically reach out in this type of way for help but I figure it can't hurt right? I have been reading, putting into action, and failing at almost every aspect of the online world.

    This past summer I hit the road with my almost 3 year old after my ex husband was charged with child abuse of our son after shaking him. I don't want to make this into a long sob story because I have changed the life of my son and I for the better and he is medically doing well.

    I found out shortly after leaving my ex that I was pregnant with my second child and began hitting the online world even harder. Unfortunately the online world hits back A LOT harder then me.

    I do not buy into the new shiny thing and do not intend to begin but it seems I lack direction as to where to go from here. I can not afford to pour any more money into nonsense "training" or "coaches" who wind up knowing no more then I do. In fact I've wasted all I can trying to make it on here. I have two children to care for and the days of throwing around money have ended. Trying to sell services doesn't work well as I've already tried and gotten nowhere with it. I am willing to do anything short of selling my organs/body (graphic I know).

    What or where do I go from here?
    Being a mom doesn't pay the bills.
    Well, have you considered something like OMG Machines or A Fresh Way to Make Money Online? Reason I ask is that both offer ste-by-step instruction and have made me and a lot of others money. Not only that but you actually get the contact info of Kelly Felix and Mike Long, and they help every step of the way. It sounds to me at least like you need a paint-by-the-numbers approach focusing on one thing.

    And I recommend both and frankly that would be all you need, if you commit to it. I believe BTF is $7 to try. OMG is a bit more expensive but is also more in depth as well. Nothing is left out and it is NOT the usual "affiliate course", it focuses on a specific method for getting sites up, ranked and then offering them or the service to offline businesses.

    ..and regards to the other thing: you got out. good! just make sure you don't go back...No affiliate links above
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  • Profile picture of the author GoodFE
    I really can't believe some of the horrible responses you have received. I'm not sure how it is your fault that he did something horrible when you were not around, and then you left him when you found out the truth.

    Some people (usually men) blame the woman for staying, ive no doubt if you had of known the truth from the start then you would have left immediately.

    Anywho, if you want to know anything about Kindle, just ask me! I make a full time living from it and it didnt take me that long (couple of months), I would be happy to share all my secrets with you.

    Once again, shame on anyone that insulted this woman. From the little I know, you are a good mother, take care and be safe!
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    • jpsween88- Thank you for your suggestion, it is a hard subject for anyone to talk about at first but I have found the more I speak about it the easier it is to deal with the emotions that come with it. Other warriors have suggested writing a book and it is something I'm truly considering. Thank you!

      Nightengale- Again your advice has been a huge help! Once this thread has gone cold I think my best bet is to take a step back even if just for a few days and decide what my next step should be. It's obvious to me and everyone else that my direction meter is a little off and I need focus on one thing at a time. I'll get there and when I do you can all expect to receive thanks including the nay sayers.

      Silas Hart- I know nothing about ecommerce/eBay other then selling a few personal items myself with eBay. I'm interested in hearing more and will PM you asap. Thanks!

      AndrewCavanagh- Andrew thank you for your suggestions! I'm noticing a common trend in most everyone's posts that I need focus. Let me tell you you're preaching to the choir so to speak hahaha if I lack on thing it's focus. I have always been the one to want to over take EVERYTHING and be the best at it. This is the one area I seem to be lacking and it's because of my unfocused mind. Guess it's time for an overhaul!

      samah- Samah, thank you for your kind offer it truly is kind of you to extend a hand. I will PM you as soon as I can. Thank you again!

      InBrussels- You make a great point, I know that I could offer great services in design but I'm not sure what it is to offer. Many seem to want Wordpress based sites which I have no problem with but my prices are obviously off, what I'm offering isn't stricking a cord, and I don't have enough trust here for others to buy from me. I will take a look into all avenues you suggested and perhaps that will help me the next time I decide to offer my services.

      Marx Vergel Melencio- I am so sorry to hear about your struggles, mine seem rather trivial next to your's. I haven't heard anything as your suggesting before but it does sound as though it could be very lucrative. Right now I am gathering up all the suggestions made to me so that I can direct my attention towards one "business", would you mind if I kept your contact information and sent you some questions if I head your way? Thank you!

      Vimal Gobin- HAHAHA you are correct my profile does say I like to write but I should have specified! I enjoy writing for pleasure (in my journal or teaching my son his letters, colors and so on). I'm not too sure what I would be willing to write for because I've never gotten an actual bite for writing services other then to ask why my price is more then other's.

      Bewley- Thank you for your kind words but I have come to realize there will always be someone out there who will blame me or try to say I'm lazy. This is not the case which is why I put myself out there to try and make my current situation into something better for myself and my children. It's not that I do not want to work because I know all about working, I served my country in the USAF before, during, and after my son's birth. I know what a full day of work is and the sacrafice that comes with it. I'm not patting myself on the back as some saint but instead just looking for advice like you said. Thank you for everything and God bless.

      jasonl70- It is always refreshing to hear from a man's prospective who has raised a child on their own. It is difficult yes but if anything it is challenging me to be a better person, one who is able to be fully self sufficient no matter what path I choose (if only I could choose one). I can't imagine the rough times you have had over the years and I can truly sympathize as I am at my low right now myself. When that high finally comes I want to know it was because I did everything I could to get there and maintain my standing there. I wish you and your son many "highs" haha! I have read and reread what Nightengale has said and I know that when the time comes I will have been given excellent advice to get started!

      Kay King- You are correct I did not offer my writing services here on WF because I saw the prices many expect to receive for native English writers. I did not know that there was a waiting period to list here on WF, is there a certain amount of time I should have waited before offering my services? There was the use of "us" and "we" because I was referring to past clients who had, had success with my sites. Perhaps I should have specified. It's hard to look at a posting objectively when it is your own and see all the potential errors or confusions they can cause. I truly didn't mean to cause either but now that I know I can correct them if I decide to offer them again. Thank you for your honesty and help!

      GoodFE- Thank you for your kind words and offers! I am very interested in hearing more if you're willing to share some of your time. I know it's tough for most on here to share and spare time because they are working themselves so I appreciate your offer. I will PM you as soon as I can, thanks again! P.S. your genres are not off putting in the least, I'm a woman after all and I don't know many women who don't love a little romance and the occasional steamy book hahaha.

      betterwtveter and Honest Tune- Typically I would agree wholeheartedly with your responses and it's killing me not to be able to just answer and ad and begin working 9-5 but my current circumstances are not allowing for that which is why I figured I would start here online until I can work a typical day job or I make enough income not to have to. Thank you for all the suggestions!

      cypherslock- I have never heard of either program but I will take a peek today. You are correct in that I need a very list oriented program that will keep me in line and my wandering mind at bay. I do like the fact that there is a way to contact someone for help as most don't offer it so willingly. I got out and will be staying out that is the one thing I am already sure of. Nothing will change my mind about that EVER. Thank you for the links and I'll let you know how it pans out!
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      • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
        Originally Posted by EnterpriseWebsites View Post

        I served my country in the USAF
        prior usaf here - I knew there was a reason I liked you
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      • Profile picture of the author Vimal Gobin
        Can't get myself to study. Decided to format your kinda hard-to-read post instead :p

        Originally Posted by EnterpriseWebsites View Post


        jpsween88- Thank you for your suggestion, it is a hard subject for anyone to talk about at first but I have found the more I speak about it the easier it is to deal with the emotions that come with it. Other warriors have suggested writing a book and it is something I'm truly considering. Thank you!

        Nightengale- Again your advice has been a huge help! Once this thread has gone cold I think my best bet is to take a step back even if just for a few days and decide what my next step should be. It's obvious to me and everyone else that my direction meter is a little off and I need focus on one thing at a time. I'll get there and when I do you can all expect to receive thanks including the nay sayers.

        Silas Hart- I know nothing about ecommerce/eBay other then selling a few personal items myself with eBay. I'm interested in hearing more and will PM you asap. Thanks!

        AndrewCavanagh- Andrew thank you for your suggestions! I'm noticing a common trend in most everyone's posts that I need focus. Let me tell you you're preaching to the choir so to speak hahaha if I lack on thing it's focus. I have always been the one to want to over take EVERYTHING and be the best at it. This is the one area I seem to be lacking and it's because of my unfocused mind. Guess it's time for an overhaul!

        samah- Samah, thank you for your kind offer it truly is kind of you to extend a hand. I will PM you as soon as I can. Thank you again!

        InBrussels- You make a great point, I know that I could offer great services in design but I'm not sure what it is to offer. Many seem to want Wordpress based sites which I have no problem with but my prices are obviously off, what I'm offering isn't stricking a cord, and I don't have enough trust here for others to buy from me. I will take a look into all avenues you suggested and perhaps that will help me the next time I decide to offer my services.

        Marx Vergel Melencio- I am so sorry to hear about your struggles, mine seem rather trivial next to your's. I haven't heard anything as your suggesting before but it does sound as though it could be very lucrative. Right now I am gathering up all the suggestions made to me so that I can direct my attention towards one "business", would you mind if I kept your contact information and sent you some questions if I head your way? Thank you!

        Vimal Gobin- HAHAHA you are correct my profile does say I like to write but I should have specified! I enjoy writing for pleasure (in my journal or teaching my son his letters, colors and so on). I'm not too sure what I would be willing to write for because I've never gotten an actual bite for writing services other then to ask why my price is more then other's.

        Bewley- Thank you for your kind words but I have come to realize there will always be someone out there who will blame me or try to say I'm lazy. This is not the case which is why I put myself out there to try and make my current situation into something better for myself and my children. It's not that I do not want to work because I know all about working, I served my country in the USAF before, during, and after my son's birth. I know what a full day of work is and the sacrafice that comes with it. I'm not patting myself on the back as some saint but instead just looking for advice like you said. Thank you for everything and God bless.

        jasonl70- It is always refreshing to hear from a man's prospective who has raised a child on their own. It is difficult yes but if anything it is challenging me to be a better person, one who is able to be fully self sufficient no matter what path I choose (if only I could choose one). I can't imagine the rough times you have had over the years and I can truly sympathize as I am at my low right now myself. When that high finally comes I want to know it was because I did everything I could to get there and maintain my standing there. I wish you and your son many "highs" haha! I have read and reread what Nightengale has said and I know that when the time comes I will have been given excellent advice to get started!

        Kay King- You are correct I did not offer my writing services here on WF because I saw the prices many expect to receive for native English writers. I did not know that there was a waiting period to list here on WF, is there a certain amount of time I should have waited before offering my services? There was the use of "us" and "we" because I was referring to past clients who had, had success with my sites. Perhaps I should have specified. It's hard to look at a posting objectively when it is your own and see all the potential errors or confusions they can cause. I truly didn't mean to cause either but now that I know I can correct them if I decide to offer them again. Thank you for your honesty and help!

        GoodFE- Thank you for your kind words and offers! I am very interested in hearing more if you're willing to share some of your time. I know it's tough for most on here to share and spare time because they are working themselves so I appreciate your offer. I will PM you as soon as I can, thanks again! P.S. your genres are not off putting in the least, I'm a woman after all and I don't know many women who don't love a little romance and the occasional steamy book hahaha.

        betterwtveter and Honest Tune- Typically I would agree wholeheartedly with your responses and it's killing me not to be able to just answer and ad and begin working 9-5 but my current circumstances are not allowing for that which is why I figured I would start here online until I can work a typical day job or I make enough income not to have to. Thank you for all the suggestions!

        cypherslock- I have never heard of either program but I will take a peek today. You are correct in that I need a very list oriented program that will keep me in line and my wandering mind at bay. I do like the fact that there is a way to contact someone for help as most don't offer it so willingly. I got out and will be staying out that is the one thing I am already sure of. Nothing will change my mind about that EVER. Thank you for the links and I'll let you know how it pans out!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Did your paragraphs break? I've had that happen to me on occasion and it does go away after a bit. Seem to recall it may be a Firefox issue - if using Firefox, try closing FF and then re-starting it and see if that helps.

        is there a certain amount of time I should have waited before offering my services
        No, not necessarily. It is easier to get sales if you have some history or rep built here...especially when your prices are higher than competing products. Buyers tend to be cautious of people they don't know.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by EnterpriseWebsites View Post

        jpsween88- Thank you for your suggestion, it is a hard subject for anyone to talk about at first but I have found the more I speak about it the easier it is to deal with the emotions that come with it. Other warriors have suggested writing a book and it is something I'm truly considering. Thank you!

        Nightengale- Again your advice has been a huge help! Once this thread has gone cold I think my best bet is to take a step back even if just for a few days and decide what my next step should be. It's obvious to me and everyone else that my direction meter is a little off and I need focus on one thing at a time. I'll get there and when I do you can all expect to receive thanks including the nay sayers.

        Silas Hart- I know nothing about ecommerce/eBay other then selling a few personal items myself with eBay. I'm interested in hearing more and will PM you asap. Thanks!

        AndrewCavanagh- Andrew thank you for your suggestions! I'm noticing a common trend in most everyone's posts that I need focus. Let me tell you you're preaching to the choir so to speak hahaha if I lack on thing it's focus. I have always been the one to want to over take EVERYTHING and be the best at it. This is the one area I seem to be lacking and it's because of my unfocused mind. Guess it's time for an overhaul!

        samah- Samah, thank you for your kind offer it truly is kind of you to extend a hand. I will PM you as soon as I can. Thank you again!

        InBrussels- You make a great point, I know that I could offer great services in design but I'm not sure what it is to offer. Many seem to want Wordpress based sites which I have no problem with but my prices are obviously off, what I'm offering isn't stricking a cord, and I don't have enough trust here for others to buy from me. I will take a look into all avenues you suggested and perhaps that will help me the next time I decide to offer my services.

        Marx Vergel Melencio- I am so sorry to hear about your struggles, mine seem rather trivial next to your's. I haven't heard anything as your suggesting before but it does sound as though it could be very lucrative. Right now I am gathering up all the suggestions made to me so that I can direct my attention towards one "business", would you mind if I kept your contact information and sent you some questions if I head your way? Thank you!

        Vimal Gobin- HAHAHA you are correct my profile does say I like to write but I should have specified! I enjoy writing for pleasure (in my journal or teaching my son his letters, colors and so on). I'm not too sure what I would be willing to write for because I've never gotten an actual bite for writing services other then to ask why my price is more then other's.

        Bewley- Thank you for your kind words but I have come to realize there will always be someone out there who will blame me or try to say I'm lazy. This is not the case which is why I put myself out there to try and make my current situation into something better for myself and my children. It's not that I do not want to work because I know all about working, I served my country in the USAF before, during, and after my son's birth. I know what a full day of work is and the sacrafice that comes with it. I'm not patting myself on the back as some saint but instead just looking for advice like you said. Thank you for everything and God bless.

        jasonl70- It is always refreshing to hear from a man's prospective who has raised a child on their own. It is difficult yes but if anything it is challenging me to be a better person, one who is able to be fully self sufficient no matter what path I choose (if only I could choose one). I can't imagine the rough times you have had over the years and I can truly sympathize as I am at my low right now myself. When that high finally comes I want to know it was because I did everything I could to get there and maintain my standing there. I wish you and your son many "highs" haha! I have read and reread what Nightengale has said and I know that when the time comes I will have been given excellent advice to get started!

        Kay King- You are correct I did not offer my writing services here on WF because I saw the prices many expect to receive for native English writers. I did not know that there was a waiting period to list here on WF, is there a certain amount of time I should have waited before offering my services? There was the use of "us" and "we" because I was referring to past clients who had, had success with my sites. Perhaps I should have specified. It's hard to look at a posting objectively when it is your own and see all the potential errors or confusions they can cause. I truly didn't mean to cause either but now that I know I can correct them if I decide to offer them again. Thank you for your honesty and help!

        GoodFE- Thank you for your kind words and offers! I am very interested in hearing more if you're willing to share some of your time. I know it's tough for most on here to share and spare time because they are working themselves so I appreciate your offer. I will PM you as soon as I can, thanks again! P.S. your genres are not off putting in the least, I'm a woman after all and I don't know many women who don't love a little romance and the occasional steamy book hahaha.

        betterwtveter and Honest Tune- Typically I would agree wholeheartedly with your responses and it's killing me not to be able to just answer and ad and begin working 9-5 but my current circumstances are not allowing for that which is why I figured I would start here online until I can work a typical day job or I make enough income not to have to. Thank you for all the suggestions!

        cypherslock- I have never heard of either program but I will take a peek today. You are correct in that I need a very list oriented program that will keep me in line and my wandering mind at bay. I do like the fact that there is a way to contact someone for help as most don't offer it so willingly. I got out and will be staying out that is the one thing I am already sure of. Nothing will change my mind about that EVER. Thank you for the links and I'll let you know how it pans out!
        "bizgrower- Hello Dan! It is truly a hard situation to be in especially when the person who committed the crime was the one who helped you make the child! I am in a much more stable place with my family far away from him. I am sorry to have struck a nerve and I hope your ex and her child are better off now! I listed my services twice here on WF but I believe that because my sites were rather simple and I wasn't making wild claims about revenue, PR, or overall success one would have, they weren't received well. It seems to me that to have success with services you have the throw in everything plus the kitchen sink at a price that leave you with little bottom line. Again perhaps WF isn't the place for me to list my services, do you have any suggestions where I could list my services? Thanks! "

        Unusual for it to be the bio-dad who did that.

        As per Kay's post, you probably need to post ads better and I would not give up on WF -just don't model the Make Money Online offerings. Just offer your web design service, or other IM services at a reasonable price for your skill and experience level. That's the quickest and least speculative way to income. Don't neglect the Joint Venture section.
        Also, there are a lot of WF offline consultants who may be looking to hire stateside because of the same time zone and native english thingies.

        Offline: veterinarians, auto repair, doctors, dentists, salons, health spas, lawyers are good niches. Churches, community service groups, Chambers of Commerce are areas to network with people and get hired and hopefully get word of mouth going. Also, you may be able to post on their bulletin boards and newsletters.

        Some other good ideas in Andrew Cavanaugh's sig linksand here:
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        http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...er-2013-a.html

        Keep studying, make SMART choices, be strong and hang in there. Two months or so to go and your not likely to be doing a whole lot other than becoming a Mom.

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        • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
          Joan Altz (Channing):

          What a hateful nasty response! What is wrong with you?!

          True, there are terrible mothers who make terrible choices for their children. But the fact is, she got out. And based on her explanation so far, I don't think she's lazy or a terrible mother.

          Lots and lots of people make choices in partners but don't realize their mistake until much later because they didn't have all the facts at the time. All you can do make the best choices you can based on what you know at any given point in time -- and reverse poor choices. Life is one great, big, continuous course-correction -- for ALL of us! (You included!)

          Enterprise Websites sounds like she's doing the best she can with her current situation. It's all any of us can do. And none of us have enough information about her and her situation to make a complete assessment (right or wrong). Didn't your mother tell you that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all????

          She didn't come here asking for a handout. She came asking for advice. Period.

          Ok... </rant>

          Enterprise Websites,

          I hope your immediate needs are taken care of. Please let us know. If not, we can probably research and find some sort of agency/church/organization in your area to help you.

          Aside from that...

          I've been on this forum a LONG time. My Warrior profile says since 2007, but they redid the forum at that time, which reset the clock as if I were brand new. I've actually been here since 2001-2002-ish.

          The WF is it's own little microcosm and IM economy. Yes, you can sell stuff here, but I don't recommend it. A Warrior Special Offer (WSO) is supposed to be a special (lower-priced) offer than that offered to the general public, but it's degenerated into lowest, bottom-of-the-barrel pricing, which is never a good thing.

          Too many people here are looking for the magic pill (whatever that may be) for just $7 (or whatever). Like pearls before swine, you'll get trampled, muddied and trashed.

          (And like you, I found writing for sites like the WF, eLance, etc. for peanuts insulting too. I'm a writer myself and did a little of that and got thoroughly discouraged. I found myself working for literally less than minimum wage.

          So I quit THAT! And I have a rule of not selling to Warriors unless they come to me OFF of the WF and are willing to pay regular prices. I'm not a K-Mart blue light special.)

          However, a while back, there was the "offline" craze -- that is, Warriors taking their online marketing/tech skills offline to "real world" offline businesses. (Warrior Andrew Cavanagh can tell you more about it.) If you want to do web design, that would be my recommendation: do web design for local (or not-so-local) offline businesses.

          The nice thing is that you can charge what your work is actually worth.

          Now if you like, you CAN offer some web design here on the cheap in exchange for testimonials and for design examples for your portfolio if you need them. Limit it to 1 or 2 or 5. Then take your skills OFFLINE.

          And of course, you can do this with any number of offline skills.

          Also, check out HireMyMom.com, a place for outsourcing professionals who are also women (most of them moms). You have to pay to access the site, but membership is just $30 quarterly, which is quite a bargain.

          I've never used them and so can't say how likely you are to get work through them. But at just $30 per quarter, it's certainly worth a try.

          Again, this is assuming your immediate needs are taken care of.

          Hope that helps!

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          • jasonl70- I was in for 6 years myself, I was in TX for basic and AIT school. After that I did a short stint in FL and was headed to Kadena Japan but found out I was pregnant and was moved instead back to TX. I loved my time in but never intended to make it a career. Wondering now if that was the best decision haha.

            Sarevok- You bring up a new avenue I hadn't thought about, my only question is wouldn't I have to be known first before handing out advice/information. Also wouldn't I need to be an "expert" at what I'm talking about? Given my lack of success thus far I'm not sure I'm the best person to speak with others.

            cypherslock- Thank you again for your help, I will check out OMG as soon as humanly possible.

            Marx Vergel Melencio- I haven't gotten a chance to watch the video you posted yet but as soon as I do you can almost bet you will be receiving an email from me. You are truly an inspiration and I thank you for your advice.

            karlmay1980- You are correct, the old saying of try, try again should be my mantra by now. It's just gets a little discouraging when you have the instructions to put something together but somehow you lost a piece. I will contact you shortly! Thanks.

            bilkat19- I truly appreciate your defense of my posting but unfortunately everyone has an opinion that may not necessarily be the right one. I knew that somewhere along the line I would run into at least one person who doesn't like/respect what I have to say or what I do and you know what, that's ok. I know who I am and I know what I am capable of. Things will get better for me so there is no reason for me to dwell on bitter words. Thank you for your PM, do you mind if I contact you after I've gone through it if I have any questions? A million thanks!

            funmom91- It is nice to hear that I have a comrade in arms! It has been rough with one highly active 3 year old to work from home and I know it will become harder once my daughter is born but I'm very determined to get things rolling now so that things will be more established after her birth. I will PM you asap to get the link to your site, I'm very interested!

            bizgrower- Hi again Dan, it is very unusual for it to be the father, in fact, CPS said they typically look at the mom, child care provider, and lastly the father in cases like this. Either way we are both out of that situation and with family that loves us and would do anything for us. Thank you for every single one of your suggestions, they have been invaluable! Two months and counting! Thanks again.

            Nightengale- Michelle, I truly appreciate the defense of what I've posted. You are correct in that I was not and will never ask for a handout, I am willing to work and study! I did not expect to receive nearly as much information that I did and I am indebted to all that have answered. Our needs are completely taken care of. As I said I had savings set aside for emergency purposes but I do not want to rely solely on that especially when it won't last forever! I can not believe you have been here so long, that's some dedication *bows down* hahaha. It's no wonder you know your stuff! I can see how tough it would be selling here and perhaps that was something I should have taken into consideration. I guess my mentality was that everyone needs a website and though they may be great marketers they may know nothing about html, wordpress, css, etc. It's a good idea to take my work offline, it seems to be the only place I will make an income close to what I am worth. Hiremymom.com sounds pretty interesting I will definitely check it out! Thank you for everything, you are very warmhearted to extend yourself the way you have to me and I can only hope you remain as such.
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  • Profile picture of the author sputnik4024
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    Hey,
    I know this isn't anything deep, but I'd like to help you out, so here are a few ways to make some money that require little, or no cash investment, and minimal time (so you can have time to raise your two children).
    Write a Kindle eBook: It doesn't have to be anything amazing, but this is truly an amazing market for books. I have made over $1k in one month from ONE book (an Angry Birds guide) that took me very little time to write. Romance novels seem to do very well nowadays so if you could write one that would be a good idea. Just take a look at what kind of books are selling on Kindle bestsellers and you can get some ideas from there.
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    Sell Facebook Likes and the like on Fiverr.com. Basically, you go to Odesk.com, put a job offer up saying you need 1000 Likes delivered within 24 hours to Facebook pages for $2-$3 (don't be afraid to negotiate). You should get lots of offers. Then put a gig up on Fiverr advertising 1000 Likes in 24 hours for $5 (you will get a fair bit of orders) or make your own website (like I did, link in the description) if you have more time to work but want better return on your investment (starting a site takes lots of time and money). NOTE: Always test the Facebook Like source first by giving them a job so you can see if they will deliver on time etc. so you don't end up in a real mess with your customers on Fiverr. Once you find someone good, you're ready to go!
    Thirdly, there are many sites that pay you (fair amounts) for good articles. Personally, I write articles about stocks for The Motley Fool which pays $50-$100 per article. They don't have a minimum word count but most posts are around 500 words and THEY MUST BE HIGH QUALITY. Only do this if you have a decent knowledge of stocks and finance (you can learn along the way). [Message me if you're interested in working for the Motley Fool].
    Good luck, and investing in safe, dividend paying stocks for your kids long term (make sure to diversify and never invest more than you can lose) once you have made enough from these and other methods is always a good idea!
    Alex.
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  • jasonl70- Always nice to hear from an airman brother hahaha! How long did you serve and where were you stationed?

    Vimal Gobin- Thanks for some reason the code decided it wanted to break for whatever reason. Looks like it fixed itself, thanks for having my back haha!

    Kay King- You nailed it on the head, seems it's all better now! I guess I can understand how others may be a little weary of my intentions. Back to the drawing board if I want to offer services again.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by EnterpriseWebsites View Post

      jasonl70- Always nice to hear from an airman brother hahaha! How long did you serve and where were you stationed?
      I did 4 years, stationed at RAF Mildenhall, UK. Then went to the Air Guard here in Ohio and did 2 more on active duty. I was getting ready to transfer back into the regular USAF again when my son was born - his mom left us when he was 3 months old, and I had to get out on a hardship since I was unable to put together a dependent care plan. I had a blast - and think I will probably move back to the UK when my son is older. Or perhaps New Zealand
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Stop underestimating what you know.



    Instead? Start developing your own followers, your own products, and get others to follow you.

    Build a list, start a skype chat, start talking, teaching, and offering solutions.

    It's not "overnight", but it's much better than following the bright shiny objects.

    If you ask for help, you're asking to be a follower.

    Start reversing that; start developing followers. You know enough.

    Aim to help others, and solve their problems.

    Just my $.02

    PS: Also make sure to take advantage of any social entitlement programs that are available in your area. You never know what's available to you; and don't be ashamed to ask. The economy is tough.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    If you really want over the shoulder ste-by-step then OMG might be your best bet.
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  • Profile picture of the author karlmay1980
    Keep taking action and don't give up, without spending money to speed up learning and using it for leverage it is going to be tough, that said spending it in the wrong places will only have the opposite effect.

    If you inbox me I will help go through what you have tried and see if can come up with some solutions to why they didn't work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author funmom91
    I am a mom of three boys who makes a full time living from home. I even started a site about my career journey - I think it is against the rules to post here so you can PM me if interested. In just three months I was making enough to pay my bills and have some money to put into savings. It is not easy to make money from home while taking care of kids but it is definitely possible.
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    Check out my writing portfolio and/or ask me about advertising on my lifestyle blog.

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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Funmom, if the site is yours, that you own, you can post it no problem. What they don't want is people posting affiliate links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Bratcher
    If you didn't have any luck with selling services, match yourself up with someone who has experience in selling/closing.

    They do the selling, you fufill the services. Split the profits.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    Yeah for sure feel free to contact me with any questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author paj_mccarthy
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    Some of the advice here makes me a little angry.

    If someone needs money fast, then building a web site in a niche, capturing opt ins to build a list and selling stuff in the back end is not going to be anywhere near fast or lucrative enough for 99.99% of people who try it in desperate circumstances.

    Joining membership sites like Bring the Fresh and shelling out for autoresponder subscriptions in this situation - simply a bad idea.

    If you're on the ropes - you make money before you start spending it. And you choose something that means you can get paid as soon as possible with the highest likelihood of success.

    The odds of creating a substantial income in a new niche when the OP currently hasn't yet experienced any success is low. And they certainly aren't good enough for the situation that EW is in.

    You don't have time to build a product from scratch. You don't have time to start a web site and hope that one day it will make you money. You have to leverage what assets you already have - in other words - your skills.

    I don't know what skillset you possess but I can tell you now that within 30 days of hard practice in one focussed area you'll have a very marketable skill. Watch: The Grind: How to Become Amazing at Anything - IM Impact

    Selling services absolutely works. If it's not working for you then your marketing is at fault and you need to take a look at your offer and how you present it. You don't just give up on it - you have to keep making it work.

    "Trying to sell services doesn't work well as I've already tried and gotten nowhere with it" - This is a quote from your original post. You are so wrong here it's unbelievable. Selling services absolutely works, you're just not very good at it....yet.

    Please, if you need money fast, don't build another blog in another god damn niche and somehow hope to make money on the off chance your site gets ranked in God knows how many years from now. I know that's that the popular defacto response from people who think they know what their talking about is "build a web site" and "build a list" in all situations, but honestly if you need money now, you don't have time for that.

    A friend of mine (Oni) is a 19 year old from Nigeria who recently set up a blog from scratch (he didn't reveal this to anybody) and within two months nailed two repeat clients for his article writing. Take a look at his blog and take some inspiration from him: http://youngprepro.com

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