Isn't it a sad world we live in when......

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a guy spends huge amount of time building a quality site or spending huge amount money doing the same and only just scraping a living, while some other guy creates a few dodgy sales pages and becomes a millionaire many times over 5 Tips to Lose Stomach Fat, Get Flat Six Pack Abs, Ab Workouts, Abdominal Exercises

The internet really needs to become a more just place where people's hard work is rewarded fairly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
    If you're talking about the The Truth About Abs guy, the fact is that he works extremely hard, didn't make his first sale until the four-month mark, and is a demon for split-testing.

    Some people may make a quick buck, even a few quick bucks, but the days when you can just put up a sleazy sales page and rake in the cash are over. There's a reason why the people who are doing well are doing well.
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    • Profile picture of the author samjaynz
      That may be the case - but coming from a religious gym fiend the Truth About Abs isn't worth the bandwidth you use to download the ebook. There are much better ways to "get abs" than by following that ebook.

      HOWEVER, the guy is a genius from a marketing standpoint.

      So to the OP - don't whine, just learn the lesson that even with a crappy product you can make a total bomb.
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  • I think that long work hours are not the same as working smart.

    If the guy who makes a lot with the sleezy sales pages actually knows what he iis doing, then that is fair.

    Since that guy probably spent tons of money and time learning everything while the other guy might be just starting out.
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  • Profile picture of the author erwin78
    Hi everyone,
    it is not a sad world!

    Only people who won the lottery are getting easy mony
    But we work hard to live the life of our dreams

    And if work is fun lets do this all the time

    Easy money come and go but hard work if we do it right always pays off

    Don't complain but do your best!

    Life is beautiful and world is amazing

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    The internet really needs to become a more just place where people's hard work is rewarded fairly.
    Business online is like business offline: you don't get rewarded just for hard work: you get rewarded for doing what works.

    In online businesses, analysis, adaptation, communication, quality and relevance are the things that typically determine incomes.

    People who learn, adapt and focus on their weak points tend to progress and flourish: people who want to stay well within their comfort-zone and concentrate only on their stronger points (unless they're very lucky indeed with their strengths) tend eventually to fall by the wayside, some even believing that it was because they weren't "rewarded fairly".
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    • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Business online is like business offline: you don't get rewarded just for hard work: you get rewarded for doing what works.

      In online businesses, analysis, adaptation, communication, quality and relevance are the things that typically determine incomes.
      Totally agree. And this is coming from someone who runs both an online and offline business.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveWF
    Hi Anton

    You seem to have a very idealistic view of the World which
    is great...hold on to that for a while longer.

    Unfortunately life will deal you a few gut shots and you'll
    see the way it really is.

    Don't get me wrong I'm kind of with you to the extent that,
    yes indeed, it would be nice if everything was fair and the
    righteous got rewarded and the evil doers get punished but
    the truth is it's just not like that.

    Take care

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author mktgjoe
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    a guy spends huge amount of time building a quality site or spending huge amount money doing the same and only just scraping a living, while some other guy creates a few dodgy sales pages and becomes a millionaire many times over 5 Tips to Lose Stomach Fat, Get Flat Six Pack Abs, Ab Workouts, Abdominal Exercises

    The internet really needs to become a more just place where people's hard work is rewarded fairly.
    This should give you a clue how he did it => Tim Feriss interview with Mike Geary
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheila Ross
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    a guy spends huge amount of time building a quality site or spending huge amount money doing the same and only just scraping a living, while some other guy creates a few dodgy sales pages and becomes a millionaire
    I think the same kind of thing can happen in offline too. It is very exceptional and happens to a few. You will see most of the people in internet who are making a lot of money, they are making it after their hard work only.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joey Starkey
    There is no magic push button. It all takes hard work.

    Although having a good idea and the ability ($$$) to outsource the things that you cannot do or don't have the time to do is a big help.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    while some other guy creates a few dodgy sales pages and becomes a millionaire
    It took him years to become an "overnight success" - even with those dodgy sales pages. Have some respect, man.

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    Its all depend on hard work. I still believe on doing the right thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Business online is like business offline: you don't get rewarded just for hard work: you get rewarded for doing what works.

      In online businesses, analysis, adaptation, communication, quality and relevance are the things that typically determine incomes.

      People who learn, adapt and focus on their weak points tend to progress and flourish: people who want to stay well within their comfort-zone and concentrate only on their stronger points (unless they're very lucky indeed with their strengths) tend eventually to fall by the wayside, some even believing that it was because they weren't "rewarded fairly".
      Spot on. The real 'hard work' isn't building web sites or buying them. The hardest work you'll do in this business will use that mush holding your ears apart. Unfortunately, that's all some people do use it for...

      Originally Posted by manicmethods View Post

      Part of it is luck - Probably gonna get stoned for saying that but it is.
      I doubt that even Mike Geary would deny that luck played some part in his success (even though I've never met him).

      Of course, you know what they say. The harder you work, the luckier you get...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I know where you're coming from though.
        Sure you do - it's from the "it's not fair" and "where's my share" mentality that you find online and offline.

        Some people are smarter and worker harder than others...some hit the right market at the right time while others try to copy what the first person did instead of coming up with their own ideas.

        Luck plays a part - but usually the person who is FIRST to come with a catchy niche and works it hard is the guy who wins.

        The "not fair" comes from those who try to do exactly what someone else did first.

        doing the same
        Truth: Copies can't compete with originals in most fields.

        The internet really needs to become a more just place where people's hard work is rewarded fairly.
        What do you want? Handouts? Minimum wage? Union benefits?
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      • Profile picture of the author writeaway
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Spot on. The real 'hard work' isn't building web sites or buying them. The hardest work you'll do in this business will use that mush holding your ears apart. Unfortunately, that's all some people do use it for...


        I doubt that even Mike Geary would deny that luck played some part in his success (even though I've never met him).

        Of course, you know what they say. The harder you work, the luckier you get...
        That is so true. The real work in marketing is what goes on in your head not how much you sweat. That's the real work that gets PAID. To insinuate that there is some sort of unfairness is MISSING the point entirely.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maui Joe
    that "some guy" who created a "dodgy sales page" was and is one of the most influential players in that niche.


    dodgy lol. instead of whining about successful marketers, how about you study them, see what works for them and why it works, and use that information to improve your own business?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rachel McKnight
      Originally Posted by Maui Joe View Post

      that "some guy" who created a "dodgy sales page" was and is one of the most influential players in that niche.


      dodgy lol. instead of whining about successful marketers, how about you study them, see what works for them and why it works, and use that information to improve your own business?
      This. There's got to be a reason why it's working so well for him. Who cares if it's "dodgy" or "sleezy" or whatever else you wish to call it. Bottomline is.. it WORKS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    a guy spends huge amount of time building a quality site or spending huge amount money doing the same and only just scraping a living, while some other guy creates a few dodgy sales pages and becomes a millionaire many times over 5 Tips to Lose Stomach Fat, Get Flat Six Pack Abs, Ab Workouts, Abdominal Exercises

    The internet really needs to become a more just place where people's hard work is rewarded fairly.
    I'm sure that you're aware that in online fitness circles, The Truth About Abs is seen as the ultimate con. The only people who are buying that crap are the same people who stop working out after a week, which is why Mike Geary has been "successful". Market a garbage product to the least-educated and most-gullible irrational consumers, then profit (isn't this the real dogma for Internet Marketing?).

    Also, don't believe what he claims about his online income. I read the interview he had with Tim Ferris (the ultimate shiller) and was amazed at the amount of crap these 2 can put up. Likewise, Tim Ferris' book is regarded as rehashed garbage in the same fitness circles that look down on The Truth About Abs, so these 2 prove that if you know your consumer, you can sell them just about anything.

    I'm not involved in the fitness industry nor have products, I'm just a fitness enthusiast who has achieved a real 8-pack (not 6-pack) by training for months at a time doing compound exercises, sprints and having a low carb routine. I've also studied nutrition/training in-depth as a hobby, and can spot a fitness shiller/con-artist/quack from a mile away.

    There are many real fitness experts who are not recognized for their work; work which guys like Tim Ferris have stolen, re-hashed and marketed to the gullible mass.

    Lastly, don't forget the guys loaded on steroids and stimulants (e.g. Mike Chang from Shortcub Abs) who rely on their shortcutted body to give the illusion of knowledge.

    Rant over. Good luck to everyone with their 2013 fitness goals!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    Yes there is no such thing as the "overnight success." People who make it online or offline have some times been planning their business for years.

    Both online and offline businesses require marketing and it is often how successful you are doing this, that allows your business to become successful.

    All these dodgy or sleezy operators should be named and shamed,in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcusJohnson
    It's all about timing and getting the right move. If you work hard and didn't get paid off then I guess you need to change your strategies. Its a matter of trial and error.
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    @anton543 & @bisturi

    You're probably right, and if you know as much as you say you do about fitness products, then maybe Mike Geary does deliver a dodgy product.

    I think where everybody is taking exception is with "while some other guy creates a few dodgy sales pages and becomes a millionaire" which has to be crap.

    If that's all it took, then every new IM'er would be a millionaire many times over, because boy do they ever put up a few crap sales pages!

    In order to make any money selling ANY product you need to know your market inside out and how to market to them.

    And since I've personally never seen a sales page kill it on the first run, then I reckon Mike has split tested like a *******, which is why he's gotten the results he has.

    On the net these days, even the dodgy guys have to be smart and work like crazy. It's just too competitive.

    By the way, I agree with you on Tim Ferris. To my mind he's a shonk. But boy can he sell!
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    "Luck happens at the intersection of preparation and opportunity." Probably paraphrased and I wish I could recall who said it.

    I would also emphasize that there is a large difference between working hard and working smart and it looks to me as if he did both.

    His website is not pretty, but it works because it is simple and easily market segments between men and women.

    The internet and offline world should remain free to let the market decide.

    Change your mind and you can change your world.

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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    What I think is sad is how much some folks dwell upon and subsequently end up resenting the success of others - doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

    I don't know anything about the abs product, so can't comment on that one, but we see the same thing everyday with some of the biggest game changers online.

    Instead of bemoaning their success over your own, you ought to be focusing on learning as much as you can about the strategies and methods they used to become so successful. Then spend that time adapting what they did to your own system and tweak/test it until you're getting the results you want.

    It doesn't hurt to admit to yourself that maybe, just maybe, they're worth following rather than hating.
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    Mike worked his guts out to get where he is now, he's been selling truthaboutabs with tunnel vision since 2005, the product is actually good, he is a qualified nutritionist who knows his stuff. He just also happens to be very good at selling, he's inspired me greatly, with the main thing I learnt from him is "keep doing the simple things right, and focus on doing these things over and over everyday".......

    You can have the best product in the world, but if nobody knows about it you won't sell jack, on the other hand, you can have a half baked product and if you know how to market you'll make some $$$.......
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  • Profile picture of the author kayode10
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    a guy spends huge amount of time building a quality site or spending huge amount money doing the same and only just scraping a living, while some other guy creates a few dodgy sales pages and becomes.
    Internet marketing is not all about hard work you put in, its all about working smart, even just like offline. if you work hard on the wrong direction will just get your finger burn at the end of the day. So for your information, you need to redirect your thinking and learn how to work smart. cheers
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