I'm new and low on cash. How can I get a mentor?

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Hey guys,

I'm a bit lost and a little nervous to get anything started at the moment, it's all detailed in that post...

How can I obtain a mentor from here? How did you (if you have one)?

I think that talking to someone who has a good bit of experience would help me get started with IM. I've been looking into CPA offers, Amazon Affiliates, creating niche blogs and offering products on there, social media traffic generation, PPC, etc...

I'm honestly just overwhelmed with the amount of information on there. I've come across so many WSO's, yet I'm still kind of focusing on Kenster's book.


I need help. So lost.
#cash #low #mentor
  • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
    If I were you, I'd do what I done. Start a blog, write consistent content and build your blog up by writing content and get backlinks from guest posting. Try to get a high PR and decent Alexa rank then come back to the warrior forum and try to find a mentor. Most mentors wont help people who don't have a clue about IM because it would take way to much work. You must learn the ropes on your own in a way, then once you have some experience, then a mentor will see it and then he or she may think you can be successful.

    Then they may want to help you since you already have some knowledge of the subject!
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    • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
      For now, I'm working with my Fiancee and a friend of mine. He's a talented web genius who can use technical methods of driving us traffic, and my Fiancee is a great writer (well, she's actually a writer).

      As for myself, I'm a graphic designer and photographer. I work in a marketing office at my university and I've learned a good bit on how they use paid lead generation.

      We've already started building a couple of business plans. One is subscriber based, the other is product based. We've ventured into selling advertising services (once we are certain we know the ins-and-outs) as well.

      The issue here is that I know what i WANT to do, but I just can't get myself to do it...

      I'm kind of in-charge in my little group, and they aren't going to take action until I make the call.

      I do pick up quickly, I'm honestly just looking for a quick point in the right direction from someone who's doing well. Not so much a full-time mentorship, but just someone who can say "yes, you're doing that right" or "no, swap portion A of your plan with portion B".
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      • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
        Well, you need to make your first decision now. What do you want to do?
        Make a successful niche site?
        Make a blog driving lots of traffic?
        Just send traffic to affiliate offers?
        You need to be more clear on what you need help with.
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        • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
          Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

          Well, you need to make your first decision now. What do you want to do?
          -Start a few methods of achieving residual/secondary income.

          Make a successful niche site?
          -I'm not sure. I'm unsure as to whether I should devise a blog and promote CPA offers on it, use adwords, offer ad space, or anything. I'm a bit unsure of what my first direction should actually be while minimizing my out-of-pocket initial costs. Check out the post I linked, I'm basically dead broke...my Fiancee and I are struggling to live our daily lives.

          Make a blog driving lots of traffic?
          -I suppose that would work, if a blog is a good starting point. Maybe some way of using the blog to promote affiliate offers? Email lists? Autoresponder maybe? I'm not sure..


          Just send traffic to affiliate offers?
          -This is what I felt was a good option, market other people's offers and earn income from it. My confusion lays in HOW I can successfully do this, and what methods can generate leads better than others.

          You need to be more clear on what you need help with.


          ^Answered above
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      • Profile picture of the author cynthiaSEL
        Try your backyard!

        Since you're at a university, you may well be in the very spot that may be your best choice to reach out for a mentor.

        Try any professors you know who are involved in industry and/or research as well as your office for alumni support and/or fundraising.

        Keep it simple and easy. Put the word out that you're asking for advice in finding a mentor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Donne
    Do you mean a mentor ,or someone to help you get started making some money, who may turn out to be your mentor depending on how the 2 of you get on and relate to each other ,there is a is difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
      Originally Posted by Chris Donne View Post

      Do you mean a mentor ,or someone to help you get started making some money, who may turn out to be your mentor depending on how the 2 of you get on and relate to each other ,there is a is difference.
      I suppose someone to help me get started.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Donne
        feel free to PM me
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Donne
        PM me , I would be happy to make some recomendations that would help you out
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        • Profile picture of the author goldmineberry
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          You will first need a website to start making money online. Cheers.
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          • Profile picture of the author mello
            You sound really confused and your current actions don't seem clear.

            On this thread you've had one person offer to be in touch twice (hopefully you've pm'd him) and one who showed some possible interest if you answered his WIIFM.

            My 2 cents:
            1. If you need instant money - sell your photography services on this forum and elsewhere eg fiverr. Think of other skills you have eg photoshop, collages, video of photos etc. Offer those gigs. Either offer yourself as a pro at that kind of rate or offer quick and easy stuff you can do for lower prices but perhaps more turnover.
            2. Longer term, again stick to your knitting. Set up your photography site. On that site you can: Promote your services. Sell photos. (remember to watermark your images). Teach photography skills. Create a product that's easy for you but others want to know about eg how to shoot in the dark. Start with ONE thing and build the extras in once you've got the first one going. Trying to spin 7 plates all at once is doomed.

            Sounds to me like you just need to chat with someone and get clarity. There are lots of good free courses around for you to learn techniques once you decide on a direction - but only you can make that choice.

            Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author sonas
    If you've a skill set that you can barter to a possible mentor that may help if your low on cash.
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    • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
      Originally Posted by sonas View Post

      If you've a skill set that you can barter to a possible mentor that may help if your low on cash.
      Yes I run a photography business, as well as a graphic design business. I also teach the two, but business has been DEAD for the past year. I used to market on Craigslist, but I believe I'm now getting ghosted. People just aren't calling.

      Facebook marketing isn't helping either. I get fans, but no bookings, nothing. Offline marketing helps to a small degree, just not enough.

      I'm $15,000 in the hole in debt from all my photo equipment, I literally just got done paying off my desktop workstation.
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      • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
        If you are looking for quick money online then I'm sorry to say but it's almost not possible.

        I HIGHLY suggest blogging, find a low competition niche and work on it. I started in the Internet Marketing niche, my blog is around 3-4 months old and is doing very well but I still have to work my ass off!

        It's a hard niche to start in, find something hidden away!

        Soon I will be promoting it with Podcasts and many more ways!
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        • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
          Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

          If you are looking for quick money online then I'm sorry to say but it's almost not possible.

          I HIGHLY suggest blogging, find a low competition niche and work on it. I started in the Internet Marketing niche, my blog is around 3-4 months old and is doing very well but I still have to work my ass off!

          It's a hard niche to start in, find something hidden away!

          Soon I will be promoting it with Podcasts and many more ways!
          I completely understand that the money won't be overnight and instant, but I do want to start somewhere. I think a blog sounds like an idea, even if it's alongside promoting affiliate offers as well.

          How are you promoting your blog?

          And if you don't mind me asking (without specifics), are you generating enough income to:
          A. drastically change your home life
          B. enough to pay the bills
          C. enough to supplement your income, but not quite an "income on its own"
          D. enough to pay for a bill or two

          Are you promoting affiliate offers? CPA?

          Any agencies you suggest more than others?
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          • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
            I am not monetizing my blog at all, I want to brand myself as a true professional Internet marketer, I don't believe in promoting rubbish Clickbank products which don't help people, once someone buys something not worth the money they may see you differently. If I use Google AdSense then that's valuable visitors leaving my blog, which I do not want!

            I am making my own EBook, which shows people exactly how to choose a niche, get a domain name, and install wordpress.

            From the EBook, I then want to make a product, showing people exactly how to promote a website or blog to then make it successful.

            I have been using Guest Posting Mostly!!!

            Guest posting works very well for me!
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            • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
              I gotcha, so you're aiming towards a product-centered plan, the ebook. I'd love to check it out someday!

              I do want to monetize from my blog somehow, when it's up. That's what I can't figure out how to correctly do.

              I agree, a lot of the offers I've seen are, well, useless.
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              • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
                I will PM you when it's up, it's just a small free give away for people, so I can capture emails to help my list.

                Well, put it this way. If you can drive targeted traffic then you can make money online!

                Simple and sweet!

                If you can't drive traffic then you won't make money!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    If you're totally new do not look for a mentor here right away. More than likely your mentor will just empty your wallet, then blame your inability to take action for your lack of success.


    Sort through all the free information you can for a while. Learn to identify the good ideas from the bad


    and If you're here in desperate need to make some money to sustain yourself, find an offline job.


    Five or so years ago, I too was into photography for a couple years. Then I ran into some problems and a realization, then sold my gear. The nice thing about buying quality photog equipment is that it retains a good amount of it's value when you go to sell it. I don't know how much of that 15k was for your workstation, but that will not hold the value camera bodies and lenses do.

    Offline is where you need to concentrate, then use marketing online to promote your business.


    In photography you are going to have to go to the client, not the other way around. there is allot of competition, mainly your potential clients smartphones. People are happy with snapping a pic with their phones. Even if it's low quality as compared to professional rig, it looks good enough for their facebook walls, and their 4" phone screens
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    • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
      Originally Posted by Rbtmarshall View Post

      If you're totally new do not look for a mentor here right away. More than likely your mentor will just empty your wallet, then blame your inability to take action for your lack of success.


      Sort through all the free information you can for a while. Learn to identify


      and If you're here in desperate need to make some money to sustain yourself, find an offline job.


      I too was into photography for a couple years. Then I ran into some problems and a realization, then sold my gear. The nice thing about buying quality photog equipment is that it retains a good amount of it's value when you go to sell it.

      Offline is where you need to concentrate, then use marketing online to promote your business.


      In photography you are going to have to go to the client, not the other way around. there is allot of competition, mainly your potential clients smartphones. People are happy with snapping a pic with their phones. Even if it's low quality as compared to professional rig, it looks good enough for their facebook walls, and on their 4" screens
      Exactly. Instagram is ruining my life.

      I would never sell my gear though, it's literally the only thing that keeps me happy. The thing is, my efforts offline haven't worked, and my online methods are dying out. I live in New York, so I have plenty of competition from new "photographers" who just bought a camera and read a couple of books. I literally lose jobs to some kids with a kit lens and a generic flash offering $20 photoshoots and $200 weddings. It's pathetic.

      Photography is one thing I don't doubt my abilities in, as far as shooting/retouching/printing and all. It's just too competitive. If I could afford a storefront studio, I'd do it, but that's out of the question.
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      • Profile picture of the author davidtye
        Have you thought about targeting a different market? It sounds like your skills/abilities are well suited to B2B markets.
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        • Profile picture of the author djleon1
          For starters - you might want to pick a single direction and get some traction there or else you will need multiple mentors.

          It is easy to get overwhelmed at the start because of all the options out there on how to MMO. A mentor can help but you cannot be going in 6 different directions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Time is the most valuable commodity in the world.

            Why should someone spend time on you?
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            • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
              Originally Posted by djleon1 View Post

              For starters - you might want to pick a single direction and get some traction there or else you will need multiple mentors.

              It is easy to get overwhelmed at the start because of all the options out there on how to MMO. A mentor can help but you cannot be going in 6 different directions.
              I suppose. I'm just having a hard time deciding on a direction...

              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

              Time is the most valuable commodity in the world.

              Why should someone spend time on you?
              It was just a question. I spend a few hours a week teaching photography and design to some people and their children if they're interested, and sometimes at community centers, free of cost.

              Maybe there's a good person out there who's willing to help.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by SilentEcho13 View Post

                It was just a question. I spend a few hours a week teaching photography and design to some people and their children if they're interested, and sometimes at community centers, free of cost.

                Maybe there's a good person out there who's willing to help.
                Gotcha, you're looking for charity. If you decide to give up looking for a handout, you should make a list on how you can help a mentor in exchange for his time. It might work out better.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
        Originally Posted by SilentEcho13 View Post

        Exactly. Instagram is ruining my life.

        I would never sell my gear though, it's literally the only thing that keeps me happy. The thing is, my efforts offline haven't worked, and my online methods are dying out. I live in New York, so I have plenty of competition from new "photographers" who just bought a camera and read a couple of books. I literally lose jobs to some kids with a kit lens and a generic flash offering $20 photoshoots and $200 weddings. It's pathetic.



        Photography is one thing I don't doubt my abilities in, as far as shooting/retouching/printing and all. It's just too competitive. If I could afford a storefront studio, I'd do it, but that's out of the question.

        New York has got to be tough competition. That's the Photog mecca. hah

        do you have a "professional" portfolio? If you haven't got one alreay, you may have to resort to $20 headshots and $200 weddings to build your brand. During that time you can also build your blog/website, then promote affiliate programs with related material to your audience.

        The only problem with that is that your clients aren't going to be photographers themselves. SO, their interests may be to spread out to market to successfully. Keep that in consideration when You decide who you're targeting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Originally Posted by SilentEcho13 View Post

        I would never sell my gear though, it's literally the only thing that keeps me happy. The thing is, my efforts offline haven't worked, and my online methods are dying out. I live in New York, so I have plenty of competition from new "photographers" who just bought a camera and read a couple of books. I literally lose jobs to some kids with a kit lens and a generic flash offering $20 photoshoots and $200 weddings. It's pathetic.

        Photography is one thing I don't doubt my abilities in, as far as shooting/retouching/printing and all. It's just too competitive. If I could afford a storefront studio, I'd do it, but that's out of the question.
        SilentEcho13,

        You know what you like doing, you know what you're good at, what you don't know, it seems to me, is how to translate your skills into a full time career. You seem to be saying that you can't compete with the kids offering lowball work. So don't try . . .

        Spend some time brainstorming, reading, and asking questions of other photographers/graphic designers. Is there a way for you to capture a different corner of that market? Can you come up with something that few others would think of? Think about some little kind or type of photography that no one is doing or promoting. Ask graphic designers if they have any demand for _____________________ that they choose not to offer themselves. See if you can identify something that others in the business are overlooking or don't want to offer for whatever reason.

        Start a wordpress blog with a portfolio plugin added so that you can get your graphic designs and photos up online where folks can see the excellent work you do.

        Often success comes not to cheapest offerings but to those that meet some little fringe need that few are addressing. Look around the "edges" of your niche to discover the not-so-obvious areas where others hesitate to go because they think no one is interested. The Internet is so huge that often seemingly tiny little niches can be a goldmine waiting to be exploited.

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    • Profile picture of the author MerlinOnline
      I am not a massively successful online marketer, but I have come across two things that have been helpful both online and offline. One is the JanRain social login approach for list building and they also have a share feature which you can offer a gift for using.

      The other is a piece of software that will allow you to quickly collect targeted emails from general goog searches. I don't use it to create spam lists but to build my business network by inviting people to join my LinkedIn connections. It works pretty well. I have a video on youtube about both here: JanRain_Warrior - YouTube
      There is a little self promotion in there but hopefully the information is more helpful than annoying! Actually I would appreciate your feedback on that front. I know this isn't entirely on-topic for you but I am hoping it is helpful!
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  • Profile picture of the author sketchh
    I've met all my mentors through just freelance with them. You'll find a good few mentors sooner or later just don't look to hard brotha
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    • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
      Originally Posted by sketchh View Post

      I've met all my mentors through just freelance with them. You'll find a good few mentors sooner or later just don't look to hard brotha
      Man, I just need one, seriously.

      IM is like math to me...lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author WordpressManiac
    If you don't find a coach right now stick with coaching programms, just google it. For example from time to time there are even coaching WSOs offered here. For my part I learned most things from free blogs like Seomoz etc. Or WSOs .Sort out the crap and find what works for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author napoleonfirst
    Jamie Lewis is one of the best mentors you can get. You will have lots of WOW moments if you get a membership at IMWithLewis.com. There are two webinars over th week and a strong community to support you every step of the way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      Time is the most valuable commodity in the world.

      Why should someone spend time on you?
      Originally Posted by SilentEcho13 View Post

      It was just a question. I spend a few hours a week teaching photography and design to some people and their children if they're interested, and sometimes at community centers, free of cost.

      Maybe there's a good person out there who's willing to help.
      I could be wrong, but I think you have the wrong gist of the question.

      Most who will be worth having as a mentor are worth paying for.
      If you can't pay with money, you need to come up with something else.

      It's the classic marketing "What's in it for me" mentality.

      What can you offer someone if not money?
      Are you willing to do free work?

      Anyway, I don't think you're ready for a mentor either if you don't even have a direction yet. Your direction will help you determine who your mentors are - not the other way around.

      Take some time to read on the forums.

      I think that talking to someone who has a good bit of experience would help me get started with IM. I've been looking into CPA offers, Amazon Affiliates, creating niche blogs and offering products on there, social media traffic generation, PPC, etc...
      Those are all methods. What niches are you considering? Because a lot of niches will eliminate use of some of those methods right off the bat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    the first reply (larry) is what you should look into. In a few months you can already see an increase in PR and traffic. Try to build a solid blog and from there you can build income form different streams
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  • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
    Alright, you guys are right, I misunderstood.

    Like I said, I'm not really looking for a full-time mentor, but rather just someone to clear my head up, just to answer some questions as far as where to begin, nothing major. Of course, if someone was to help me out to a great extent, I'd do what I could to compensate them. I don't have much to offer in terms of money, but I can always design, shoot, etc if it helps anyone.

    I'll start over, with a straightforward explanation of what I'm doing/planning to do.

    I've looked into the AdWords Keyword Tool a good bit today, looking for some low-competition/high-searched areas. Right now, my Fiancee and I are setting up a blog on bargains, aimed at the middle-aged mother. I found bargains to fall into the category above after researching it. People seem to search for "deals" and "coupons", but "bargains" yielded a high search rate and a low competition level. This may or may not be a good idea, but it's a start.

    I'm also in the process of designing and publishing a wordpress page. Something of a portfolio with a blog, gallery, proofing system, subscription, etc. For photography, more in the direction of HDR photography and glamour portraits.

    We're trying hard now to come up with good content for both to put into the blogs, and I think I'm going to start putting up articles on ezine, squidoo, etc... with a link to my page. I spoke to my buddy who co-founded a large marketing firm and he suggested integrated marketing, to consolidate content to a single/few pages and use external sources to drive traffic there.

    So far, I'm just having issues with SEOing the pages and getting traffic to them. My web-dev friend is MIA at the moment, so we're running things solo.

    I signed up for ClickBank. I honestly see a whole lot of offers, but finding marketable ones or ones that don't seem "useless" or "scammy" is tough. I don't know what to market, or how to do it. Most of the offers' landing pages just kind of scream "scam" to me.

    Before my next set of questions, I apologize for me seeming to look for a "handout" or free help. I know that I've done free work for others in the past, and I'm not expecting someone to sit by me through the whole ride, just someone to give me a brief push in the right direction.

    So, here are my questions:

    How do I determine if an offer is actually marketable, something "believable" that people will not be weary of clicking?

    Does anyone have tips on driving free traffic (for now) to the blogs I'm creating, as well as the articles I'm writing?

    Is there a better method of what I'm doing?

    Is there a proper way of researching niches, am I doing it wrong?

    I've looked at CPA for one income stream, what else should I consider? I'm a bit familiar with paid traffic and paying for traffic, but what about other ways (other than CPA) for generating income? I know I'm missing a whole lot, they just aren't coming to mind.


    Thank you all for the tips and the help, I feel like I'm learning a good bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author regervin
    What you're looking for is a very common question asked here. Here's what I've found that works: utilize the resources of the WF. Myself and others offer a lot of information free here. We tell about our experiences, answer questions, and get our questions answered here.

    Occasionally someone does come along to help directly, but many times you have to take responsibility for finding the answers you need. Look at the names that are constantly coming up as helpful and plugin to what they are saying.

    Hope some of this helps... Wishing you success!
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    • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
      Originally Posted by regervin View Post

      What you're looking for is a very common question asked here. Here's what I've found that works: utilize the resources of the WF. Myself and others offer a lot of information free here. We tell about our experiences, answer questions, and get our questions answered here.

      Occasionally someone does come along to help directly, but many times you have to take responsibility for finding the answers you need. Look at the names that are constantly coming up as helpful and plugin to what they are saying.

      Hope some of this helps... Wishing you success!

      So far, I've reached out to a friend who deals with marketing full-time, but he founded an agency. I wouldn't even know where to start with a project that big.

      Who do you recommend looking into, off the top of your head? Of course, you yourself, probably have some good information for me. So far, I've really just gotten something from Kenster and the posts in this thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by SilentEcho13 View Post

        So far, I've reached out to a friend who deals with marketing full-time, but he founded an agency. I wouldn't even know where to start with a project that big.

        Who do you recommend looking into, off the top of your head? Of course, you yourself, probably have some good information for me. So far, I've really just gotten something from Kenster and the posts in this thread.
        I'll be honest, I haven't read this whole thread, but the best way to learn (and I'm not just seeing this to be a jerk) is to roll up your sleeves and hit the pavement. If you don't have a general idea what to do, do some research and try to pick up a guide or two, but that will only be a framework to work off of. You will have a zillion questions and face the same challenges (mostly mental) that most newer marketers face, so be prepared for it, and use any motivation you can gather to get over them.

        The light at the end of the tunnel is there...gotta put in some good ol elbow grease to see it though

        but it's worth it
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        • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
          Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

          I'll be honest, I haven't read this whole thread, but the best way to learn (and I'm not just seeing this to be a jerk) is to roll up your sleeves and hit the pavement. If you don't have a general idea what to do, do some research and try to pick up a guide or two, but that will only be a framework to work off of. You will have a zillion questions and face the same challenges (mostly mental) that most newer marketers face, so be prepared for it, and use any motivation you can gather to get over them.

          The light at the end of the tunnel is there...gotta put in some good ol elbow grease to see it though

          but it's worth it
          Agreed!

          Don't buy a bunch of reports and keep *learning*

          You need to start doing!

          Feel free to add me on Skype if you want to be part of our mastermind group where we motivate each other (among other things).
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        • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
          Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

          the best way to learn (and I'm not just seeing this to be a jerk) is to roll up your sleeves and hit the pavement.
          The light at the end of the tunnel is there...gotta put in some good ol elbow grease to see it though

          but it's worth it

          This is very true.

          Another very old saying is that it's impossible to steer a car
          that isn't moving.

          When you start taking some action you'll start really learning
          from experience and it will be a whole lot easier to help steer
          you in a direction that will get you where you want to go.

          Kindest regards,/
          Andrew Cavanagh
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          • Profile picture of the author Kenster
            Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

            This is very true.

            Another very old saying is that it's impossible to steer a car
            that isn't moving.

            When you start taking some action you'll start really learning
            from experience and it will be a whole lot easier to help steer
            you in a direction that will get you where you want to go.

            Kindest regards,/
            Andrew Cavanagh

            Andrew, that's extremely simple yet profound. Steering means absolutely zilch if you are moving in a direction (hopefully forward)!!

            If you are always moving forward, no matter how small or how simple, you are in control! Forward momentum almost always brings results, positive results.

            It's the people who are stagnant that are in trouble!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    If you're serious, you can learn the way I did.

    Start by offering yourself out as a service provider. I started with building turnkey sites and flipping them, then I came here to the Warrior Forum and just offered all the various skills I have.

    Through doing work for other people in their IM businesses, I was gaining exposure to what successful people do in their operations. I was also getting paid, which if you are low on cash is something clearly helpful.

    And while all this was happening, I was soaking up everything I could hear at the forum, through the War Room and all the posts people put out, where they are basically mentoring the whole forum for free.

    Nobody is likely to take you by the hand and step you through everything unless you pay well for their time.

    However if you are serious, this is a way to get the almost same thing, but it just takes a little more push from your end rather than having someone push you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      If you're serious, you can learn the way I did.

      Start by offering yourself out as a service provider. I started with building turnkey sites and flipping them, then I came here to the Warrior Forum and just offered all the various skills I have.

      Through doing work for other people in their IM businesses, I was gaining exposure to what successful people do in their operations. I was also getting paid, which if you are low on cash is something clearly helpful.

      And while all this was happening, I was soaking up everything I could hear at the forum, through the War Room and all the posts people put out, where they are basically mentoring the whole forum for free.

      Nobody is likely to take you by the hand and step you through everything unless you pay well for their time.

      However if you are serious, this is a way to get the almost same thing, but it just takes a little more push from your end rather than having someone push you.


      That is certainly a path I have encouraged some of my students and other people to take. Service providing is reliable and can bring in income to keep you afloat as you are building out your IM business.

      I don't think anybody want to stick with service providing (at least not at the base level) but it's certainly not a bad place to start for that seed money to invest in other stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtye
    Try David Anderson he is a successful marketer and mentor so he might be able to help you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Clarity is a HUGE part of IM success. It's so simple when you know it -- and darn difficult when you don't! I owe my mentors a world of thanks for bringing this clarity.

      You sound like you're a little bit all over the place. Take your love of photography and plug it into my advice here.

      IM is actually pretty simple: you can sell only one of two things:

      1. Products
      2. Services

      That's it!

      And selling products or services online happens in the same basic way for everyone, no matter what they're selling:

      Traffic > Opt-in page > Autoresponder series (or e-zine) > Sales page

      That's it! It's just that simple. (We IMers tend to overcomplicate things.)

      But no matter what your niche is, or whether you're selling a product or a service, do you know what your business model is?

      A business model is the framework or skeleton of your business. Essentially there are three types of online business models:

      1. Membership-based model

      A membership-based business model allows you to build a community of people (your members) who are as passionate about your subject as you are. Your membership fees can be monthly or annual, but either way, you're building recurring, passive income.

      There are a lot of resources and information out there to help you build a membership-based business if you're interested in doing this.

      2. Product-based model

      Selling products allows you to maximize your time and effort by selling items over and over again. This can be hard goods or it can be information products. Information marketing is it's own business model under the product-based model. Information marketing allows you to take your brain to the bank by creating a product ONCE based on what you know and selling it over and over again.

      3. Service-based model

      Selling services can be great for 1) generating quick cash (as in the case of article writing or video producing) and 2) establishing your expertise and getting testimonials.

      (Affiliate marketing falls under both models. You can choose to market either products or services as an affiliate.)

      However, in the long run, your goal should be to offer services at a PREMIUM. The biggest advantage of IM is LEVERAGE. You're able to leverage your time, money and expertise exponentially online. We all have just 24 hours each day. Time to get ruthless about what you expect for those hours you spend in IM each day. Expect more of yourself and more from your business friends, clients, partners, etc.

      What results are you getting for those hours you spend online each day? Ultimately, your services should be at the bottom of your funnel and cost the most since they involve your time and personal attention. (We all have a limited amount of time each day.)

      The fun (and confusion) comes in with all of the endless mix-and-match possibilities of the above models. If you're just starting or still struggling to make money, keep it simple:

      Pick just ONE!

      1. Pick ONE niche. (Something you're interested in and know something about.)

      2. Pick ONE target market for your product or service. (Who will buy what you're offering? The more specific you are, the more you narrow it down, the more successful you'll be.)

      3. Pick ONE business model.

      Now that you're clear about what business you're in, FOCUS! (And stop buying any info not related to your niche and target market, period!)

      F -- Follow
      O -- One
      C -- Course
      U -- Until
      S -- Successful

      And remember: build a list, Build a List, BUILD A LIST!

      In IM, it's easy to put the cart before the horse. Take a deep breath, step back and consider what type of business you REALLY want. Don't worry about getting traffic or buying that expensive traffic product until you know 1) what your business model is, 2) what niche you're in and 3) WHO your target market is!

      Successful business people will tell you that MARKETING is more than half the effort that's needed for success anyway. So pick a niche, target market and business model. Then spend most of your time and effort marketing it.

      If you DON'T have a solid plan or system, THAT'S when it's hard. A good system will shave YEARS (and save you big $$$) off of your learning curve

      That's why I recommend investing in at least one good, comprehensive IM course (or mentor who will give you such a system) instead of jumping from one $37 e-book to the next. A lot of people here complain about not being able to make any money. But neither are they willing to invest in their business. (Buying a random bunch of $37 e-books doesn't count.)

      The best thing I ever did was invest in a comprehensive IM course aimed at REAL business owners, not just other IM wannabes. Yes it was $1500. (It's no longer available.) But it was truly some of the best A-Z IM info I ever bought. Everything else I've learned (from the $37 e-books) since has simply been plugged into this system.

      Get a solid plan or system and then work the plan!

      Hope this helps!

      Michelle
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      • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
        Do-it-yourself digital photography has killed the traditional photography market, but I'm sure there must be a way that good photographers are earning a good living.

        I don't know enough about the photography market to know who to refer you to. But I DO know that there is always someone out there already doing what we want to do -- and who is willing to teach us. The trick is finding that person.

        You're going to have to do some digging to find that person. Then buy their course or mentoring.

        Also, are you willing to move into video? There's a lot of money to be made doing videos for businesses online.

        Just a thought...

        Michelle
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        • Profile picture of the author Kenster
          Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

          Do-it-yourself digital photography has killed the traditional photography market, but I'm sure there must be a way that good photographers are earning a good living.

          I don't know enough about the photography market to know who to refer you to. But I DO know that there is always someone out there already doing what we want to do -- and who is willing to teach us. The trick is finding that person.

          You're going to have to do some digging to find that person. Then buy their course or mentoring.

          Also, are you willing to move into video? There's a lot of money to be made doing videos for businesses online.

          Just a thought...

          Michelle

          I just paid a traditional photographer yesterday so I know there are some making a living haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author maddyy
    You should contact speedylikeskj (WF) name
    Or email at khawarserious@gmail.com
    Let him know Maddy from WF referred you
    He's helped MANY people gain his success....

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    what was that Joey kid who made a location shoot & PS grunge editing video, then sold the heck out of it?


    what was the guys name from the strobist? I remember he and a few others in his click were doing seminar type classes like you mention doing. monetize them or use them as lead generators




    It's been a while since I've been into photography, but those are just a couple I remember that marketed themselfs pretty good.


    Oh yeah, and that guy with the outdated looking site that always talked about common knowledge and did tons of reviews monetizing his blog. Ken something I think. He asked for donations at least once on every page. I found it annoying, but he makes a living off it


    OP you need to do some market research and see how others with your same interest are monetizing/marketing themselves. If you do enough research, You'll have better direction on where you need to look and what questions to ask for your next steps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    There definitely are photogs making money, but it requires more work & investment than internet marketing . (the type of IM the majority are involved with here)
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  • Profile picture of the author napoleonfirst
    IMWithJamie is a great way to start your I'm journey. However, I think it is essential for your success in this field that you learn this stuff as much as you can here at the WF. Spending a lot of time understanding and reading the ins and outs of this game will store many rewards for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author 8485marketing
    Im a mentor for people getting started online and I personally, recommend that you stay away from a mentor of any kind for the time being, unless you are in a dire need to make money immediately (as nice as that may sound), the kind fellow warriors here have given you more than enough info to get you on your way to making your first few bucks online.

    You have to know that this whole process takes time. There are many factors that contribute to your success and once you are on that path after trying your hand at a few things and got them to work well for you try to branch out on your own and look for specialist people within the area of your business that you want to develop. Find the master of that one and learn, learn, learn.

    Keep yourself motivated, dont procrastinate, work hard, and the results will follow.

    I wish you HUGE success!
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    • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
      Originally Posted by 8485marketing View Post

      Im a mentor for people getting started online and I personally, recommend that you stay away from a mentor of any kind for the time being, unless you are in a dire need to make money immediately (as nice as that may sound), the kind fellow warriors here have given you more than enough info to get you on your way to making your first few bucks online.

      You have to know that this whole process takes time. There are many factors that contribute to your success and once you are on that path after trying your hand at a few things and got them to work well for you try to branch out on your own and look for specialist people within the area of your business that you want to develop. Find the master of that one and learn, learn, learn.

      Keep yourself motivated, dont procrastinate, work hard, and the results will follow.

      I wish you HUGE success!
      I think this makes sense...

      It's really important that you understand what type of IM business you would like to build. If you already have information overload it probably means you have taken in your fair share of different strategies and methods...

      Instead of buying different traffic reports all the time (I'm guilt myself) look into the different areas of Internet Marketing that interest you, write them all down on a piece of paper, and then research them for free.

      By research I mean look into what the big players in that market are doing, how they're making money, and think about if it interests you.

      Narrow down to 2 or 3 different types of IM businesses that interest you and then weigh out the pros and cons taking into account your skill set also.

      Then make a choice and take massive action! Don't let little obstacles break you and make you start something different from the beginning again.

      Figure out how to overcome the obstacles, learn from your mistakes, and follow through with the knowledge that you learn. Once you drill down to ONE business model that interests you I would recommend to start looking into who the authorities are and who you can have an opportunity to learn from. Mentoring is probably the most important thing you can have in IM but I think that before you get a mentor you need to know exactly what you want to do.

      Enjoy the process and don't be fooled by all the "fake hype" going around these days, do your research!

      Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author curly sue
      i can be your mentor for free in exchange you being my accountability partner, fair?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Why not checkout your local SCORE office if you are looking for free mentoring?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Originally Posted by Michael Ten View Post

      Why not checkout your local SCORE office if you are looking for free mentoring?
      This is an excellent suggestion! Definitely check it out.

      Michelle
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
    Originally Posted by SilentEcho13 View Post

    Hey guys,

    I'm a bit lost and a little nervous to get anything started at the moment.

    How can I obtain a mentor from here? How did you (if you have one)?

    I think that talking to someone who has a good bit of experience would help me get started with IM.

    I'm honestly just overwhelmed with the amount of information on there.

    I need help. So lost.
    As previously stated, for most beginners, it's a process of learning and then taking some action on what you learn. It can be overwhelming, so you need to focus or concentrate on way 'route' only. Bouncing between CPA, Affiliate Marketing, and all the other subjects will hold you back and confuse you.

    Many of the 'mentors' you come across will only help you partially; and often leave vital parts out so you buy more. Good trusted mentors charge a lot of money to take you from rookie to earner. You say you are short of cash, so that's ruled out.

    On a limited budget you need enough money to:
    • Buy a Domain Name (even if you use Wordpress to publish it);
    • Pay for Hosting (for at least two years, if you're serious about this);
    • Find an Autoresponder Service (whether free or paid for).

    The rest of the investment is time - your time.

    1. If you know a lot about a particular subject - concentrate on that. This will give you a running start to build your foundling business. If your knowledge is, say dogs, start with that, but tune/drill it down to be more of a inch, not just a market. For instance it could be "Preparing Greyhounds for Shows".

    Two niches here; Greyhounds and Dog Shows. Both can be expanded later on.

    2. Use a wordpress blog/site to get going. Just write - anything - as long as it's useful. You will get more comfortable as you build a readership and following.

    3. Build a List. Use the blog to attract sign ups with a quality PLR item, say a pdf book about greyhounds.

    As your site builds visitors, you can expand your readership by other methods, such as Guest Blogging, or Article Marketing. There are other tactics too.

    4. Write regularly to your list of subscribers, keeping the subject relevant to the subject (greyhound/show dogs).

    5. Find appropriate products on say, Clickbank, and promote these to your readers.

    6. Get your first sale $$$$!

    By this time, you may even find you've accumulated enough knowledge and information to create your own first product.

    Whatever you elect to do, don't get distracted. Take WRITTEN notes of what you need to learn, as you go along. Then learn these things as you need them. You don't need to know everything straight away. You will, no doubt make mistakes, and that's OK too.

    I used to run a free course for newbies, but ill health took me out for a while. I may start another course in future, but need to go away and deal with hackers first.

    Hope this helps a bit, and good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
      Nightengale and Alan, thank you for your long, detailed replies. Thank you to everyone else who helped out too!

      While I cannot afford a mentor, I've made some initial progress with my team.

      We are currently exploring and attempting to focus down on 4 niches that we found through researching keywords. Low competition, high traffic. We're finding ways of applying these niches to the keywords, making them SEO friendly.

      Currently, I've been able to buy a few domain names that I feel will be necessary. My friend is also working on getting his dedicated server back up and running. It used to be blazing fast, but he took it down for a little while.

      I've seen that creating lists, taking notes, and building a database of viewers is a great idea. I have been looking into autoresponders to work with too. Can anyone suggest a good one that doesn't break the bank? (for now atleast)

      We already have a dummy Tumblr blog up on a certain niche that we're using to test with, just ways of driving traffic. My web dev friend is taking care of he technical parts of it, I can update you guys on exactly how when I see him later on today.

      I do know that we are considering a service-based model. Right now, our issues are what service to market, and how, but we're discussing it.


      Also, I was never really aware of what SCORE was. We have one here, I may stop by. Thanks for the heads up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicole K
    If you're looking for a coach there are many WSO coaching offers that are available in different niches of IM. Use the search feature in the WSO section to locate coaching offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author ptaylor98
    Originally Posted by SilentEcho13 View Post

    Hey guys,

    I'm a bit lost and a little nervous to get anything started at the moment, it's all detailed in that post...

    How can I obtain a mentor from here? How did you (if you have one)?

    I think that talking to someone who has a good bit of experience would help me get started with IM. I've been looking into CPA offers, Amazon Affiliates, creating niche blogs and offering products on there, social media traffic generation, PPC, etc...

    I'm honestly just overwhelmed with the amount of information on there. I've come across so many WSO's, yet I'm still kind of focusing on Kenster's book.


    I need help. So lost.
    I'd be glad to mentor you. I am a retired system administrator, now a webmaster and entrepreneur. I will be pleased to provide help and advice based on over 25 years
    experience. I can help you for free with web development, backlinking, and other matters. Please email me at philtaylor98052@gmail.com.
    Thanks,
    Phil Taylor (ptaylor98)
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  • Profile picture of the author pilerp
    Seems to me you are way ahead of many (newbie) warriors here (including myself). Because;
    1. You are not looking for push button success (I keep on searching for it, even when i know now that it doesn't exist, seems this unending search has become my second nature)
    2. You are taking the (right) action; asking the right questions at the right place. (Which I haven't yet had the brains to do. even to this day)

    To me it seems you are way ahead of me and many 'old' newbies in this forum.

    See, you are already receiving some sound advice, possible connections and willing hands of help.
    (Now that I have read the whole thread, you have actually received some golden advice and links plus mentorship in print as I can see) eg. post#44 is IM in a nutshell.


    I too am in a similar situation as yours, actually worse.; I have made myself lone in my endeavors and have developed poor attention span (perhaps due to long periods of desperation, frustration, stress, fatigue etc.) gained a total lack of focus, and achieved complete dread of the word W-O-R-K.

    My advise to you is (actually you don't need it you have some great ones already and this is just a ramble..); Browse the thread once again and visit some of the links you'd like exploring.
    Follow your passion, don't lose your focus. Pick one method and stick to it for now.
    Keep it going friend.

    Graphic design is an in demand service. You can be paid top dollar if you can present self proper before those that require graphic design. Or you can JV with someone here. If your fiancee digs
    writing, here is a good wso that could help; http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-work-omg.html

    No need to thank me, actually I need to thank you for opening up this thread as I too gained something valuable from here. So thanks. And keep moving forward. And post you progress as you go my friend. You know it may help someone else!

    "The causes and cures of your problem are found inside your mind, not the marketplace" - (from my facebook newsfeed, thanks to Rich Schefren)

    ps ; "I was reading this thread recently and learned something about being 'desperate' . Dig it if you feel like it ; http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7614841
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    You are better than me in very forms of the starting point. At first, I'm a poor guy who had not even own pc & internet connection. I've lived in my poor family which had never have breakfast meal. So, you could imagine how poor I am in my 3rd world country. I couldn't afford to study English in the proper school but in an organization. More long stories ...

    It's not for sad stories but for the direction that you should focus. Yes, creating niches sites with well researched, and you already have the resources in hands, web developers, graphic designer, witer. Therefore, it'll bring you more benefit than people who use many outsources like me.

    Good keywords with enough traffic, low competitions, on page seo optimization, off page optimization, niche promotion, and you'll see traffic rolling in days by days. More traffic means more money chance depend on you creativities and monetization invention.

    Good Luck!
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    I just wanna tell you that most of the links in the signature are trash and/or a trap to make you pay!
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  • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
    Send me a PM, or email and I will give you some help.
    I just made 2 e-books and needed photos.
    I have a few courses, or some material we can discuss.
    You can have it for free.
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    I will be your Digital Assistance for cheap.PM me.
    I can help relieve your work load.Pm me

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  • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
    I'll be more than happy to help you build an eBay / eCommerce based business (for free) if you are interested - contact me through Facebook at the link below. I'll even let ya log in to my eBay accounts as proof I make actual money.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryKathan
    Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy View Post

    "It's just too competitive" is a statement I'd dig into.

    Is that an assumption? Is that really true?

    I'd think hard before moving away from what you know.

    Here is some FREE business coaching

    Get RMT

    -Craig
    Those videos at your RMT link are amazing. I want to go to one of those Tony Robbins conferences one day. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Standley
    Originally Posted by SilentEcho13 View Post

    Hey guys,

    I'm a bit lost and a little nervous to get anything started at the moment, it's all detailed in that post...

    How can I obtain a mentor from here? How did you (if you have one)?

    I think that talking to someone who has a good bit of experience would help me get started with IM. I've been looking into CPA offers, Amazon Affiliates, creating niche blogs and offering products on there, social media traffic generation, PPC, etc...

    I'm honestly just overwhelmed with the amount of information on there. I've come across so many WSO's, yet I'm still kind of focusing on Kenster's book.


    I need help. So lost.
    If you are broke, you wouldn't be able to get a mentor. They cost a lot! I just recently paid for mentoring myself from one of the top internet marketers and it is not cheap. I can tell you from what I've learned on my own and through mentoring that the best place to start is to get a site up and running. Blogs are better. I've actually done that with a site before mentoring and made some money from it. I paid money for mentoring to help get me to the next step and I'm still blogging on my new site. I'm trying to apply the new things that I've learned in mentoring and blog about the journey to help others. This is how I was told to start, so that's advice from an expensive coach on how to start. There's obviously much more, but you need to start somewhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by Joe Standley View Post

      If you are broke, you wouldn't be able to get a mentor. They cost a lot! I just recently paid for mentoring myself from one of the top internet marketers and it is not cheap. I can tell you from what I've learned on my own and through mentoring that the best place to start is to get a site up and running. Blogs are better. I've actually done that with a site before mentoring and made some money from it. I paid money for mentoring to help get me to the next step and I'm still blogging on my new site. I'm trying to apply the new things that I've learned in mentoring and blog about the journey to help others. This is how I was told to start, so that's advice from an expensive coach on how to start. There's obviously much more, but you need to start somewhere.

      Yeah I would never say get a mentor if you don't know the basics of the business. No mentor want to tell you what an email autoresponder or landing page means.
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  • Profile picture of the author SurrealPSD
    Your talking a lot about the machinations of IM, but Im not seeing a lot mentioned about content. It's gonna take you at least 2 months to gather momentum, I'd worry about what your site is offering before getting excited about monetization

    Content first, monetization second in my humble opinion..
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    • Profile picture of the author SilentEcho13
      Originally Posted by SurrealPSD View Post

      Your talking a lot about the machinations of IM, but Im not seeing a lot mentioned about content. It's gonna take you at least 2 months to gather momentum, I'd worry about what your site is offering before getting excited about monetization

      Content first, monetization second in my humble opinion..
      Ah, content, I forgot to mention it.

      I have two people working with me who are great writers. One is writing content for squeeze pages, as well as a wordpress site with a blog that would promote/recommend offers with high quality and informative posts on his niche.

      The other, my fiancee, is managing another website and providing information and/or reviews on products and offers, also on wordpress.

      They're still very new though.
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  • Profile picture of the author veron5959
    Yeah, gota learn the basics first... there are loads of resources. But be clear what you want to do first before you start. Ask questions in here when you need and have fun learning!
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