Are NEW Domain names worthless?

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I bought a few domain names, and I'm looking to flip them quick, but I'm also new to this market, and for all my research on it and all the appraisals I've received about the domains I picked, it still seems like 'age' is a big deal...

I mean, I can understand getting some traffic to the site can be helpful, however, I've noticed that some domain names, all that really matters is the keywords and length.
The ones I got were .info but still, they do have the keywords like cash, real estate, gas hike, tax, etc and they're no more then 7 letters in length (aside from the realestate one lol) so they've been 'appraised' from $40 to $60 alone, please don't laugh. Everyone has to start somewhere and learn from their mistakes.

So any advice here is welcomed on the matter,
Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

    I bought a few domain names, and I'm looking to flip them quick, but I'm also new to this market, and for all my research on it and all the appraisals I've received about the domains I picked, it still seems like 'age' is a big deal...

    I mean, I can understand getting some traffic to the site can be helpful, however, I've noticed that some domain names, all that really matters is the keywords and length.
    The ones I got were .info but still, they do have the keywords like cash, real estate, gas hike, tax, etc and they're no more then 7 letters in length (aside from the realestate one lol) so they've been 'appraised' from $40 to $60 alone, please don't laugh. Everyone has to start somewhere and learn from their mistakes.

    So any advice here is welcomed on the matter,
    Thanks!
    From my limited knowledge from tid bits I have read from here and there, if it isn't .com, the value of a domain goes down, rapidly! Then you have .net and .org, all three of these are classed as top level domains, google it, these are preferred extensions. That is why them three extensions are preferred over others, hope that helped a little and why it is valued so low.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aeristilheartly
    Thanks, but I'm not expecting them to fetch 100s of dollars.
    If I was only to get $40 to $60 off of each of them, I'd call it a success!

    One thing I've learned about starting anything, you have to start low and work your way up.
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    • Profile picture of the author vMartin
      Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

      Thanks, but I'm not expecting them to fetch 100s of dollars.
      If I was only to get $40 to $60 off of each of them, I'd call it a success!

      One thing I've learned about starting anything, you have to start low and work your way up.
      I bought and sold a few domains over the years and trust me when I say this, If the domain doesn't bring a "wow is this available moment" it's not going to make you decent profits/ if any at all.

      I recently sold ground.net for less then $500 and that was the highest out of several bidders. It's not very brand-able and simply put, not nearly as good as the dot com.

      For a very decent one word .info you can probably get low $XXX, but anything long tail even with keywords such as loans, money is not going to worth the registry fee.

      You might score decent with names such as loan calculator.info, mortgage calculator.info and other tops like this, but the chance is small you are going to find them.

      What most domainers do is buying good names for low $XX at the right time and sell them for little profit, then they buy more until they are able to build a decent bankroll. They then invest that money in a great domain and so on until they hit those perfect top-notch domains.

      Takes a lot of patience and luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
        Originally Posted by vMartin View Post

        I bought and sold a few domains over the years and trust me when I say this, If the domain doesn't bring a "wow is this available moment" it's not going to make you decent profits/ if any at all.

        I recently sold ground.net for less then $500 and that was the highest out of several bidders. It's not very brand-able and simply put, not nearly as good as the dot com.

        For a very decent one word .info you can probably get low , but anything long tail even with keywords such as loans, money is not going to worth the registry fee.

        You might score decent with names such as loan calculator.info, mortgage calculator.info and other tops like this, but the chance is small you are going to find them.

        What most domainers do is buying good names for low at the right time and sell them for little profit, then they buy more until they are able to build a decent bankroll. They then invest that money in a great domain and so on until they hit those perfect top-notch domains.

        Takes a lot of patience and luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author challanger
    I agree with
    butters
    From my limited knowledge from tid bits I have read from here and there, if it isn't .com, the value of a domain goes down, rapidly! Then you have .net and .org, all three of these are classed as top level domains, google it, these are preferred extensions. That is why them three extensions are preferred over others, hope that helped a little and why it is valued so low.
    But as per your budget and expectations i can say goahead but you should notice one thing..

    You will need to do almost same design+dev+market invest for websites.. Whatever extensions they have... So before going for it please consider your investment in this regard as well
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  • Profile picture of the author Aeristilheartly
    Okay, thanks

    Just a quick example

    WhatisTax.info would be one of the domain names, According to Google, the Key Phrase 'What is Tax' is a low competitive but highly searched (68,000,000 Global monthly searches) key phrase. So would that have any bearing on the price of the domain name?
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    • Profile picture of the author vMartin
      Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

      Okay, thanks

      Just a quick example

      WhatisTax.info would be one of the domain names, According to Google, the Key Phrase 'What is Tax' is a low competitive but highly searched (68,000,000 Global monthly searches) key phrase. So would that have any bearing on the price of the domain name?
      "What is tax" has 3,600 global searches.

      You need to turn on exact on the keyword tool, not broad.

      And as for the worth of the domain, in my opinion not even the register fee.
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      • Profile picture of the author challanger
        Originally Posted by vMartin View Post

        "What is tax" has 3,600 global searches.

        You need to turn on exact on the keyword tool, not broad.
        Agreed, When you are about to use keyword targeted domain, you should check it in exact mach...
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  • Profile picture of the author steiner_881
    I agree that you should only really focus on .com, .net or .org domain names.

    A great website I use is call Domain Name Search | Register Your Domain Name Now I can go through about 100 combinations under 1-2 minutes. Seriously. I always try to find exact keywords for what ever product I'm going to build.
    I don't think .info will ever be really valuable unless you get a domain name under 4 characters.
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    • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
      For domain names there are a lot of factors playing a role to determine it's value. However, it's clear that only .com .net and .org can actually generate a lot of money when you sell them.

      Sometimes at expireddomains.net you can find good bargains of domains that are really old with high PR. If you want to buy and sell domains i suggest you check this site out every day and maybe you can find some money makers.

      For instance, i just got a domain name www.seochatforum.com for $8 and it's valued by estibot at $510 and here is a similar .org domain that got bids up to $1100.
      Just to show you that it's possible to get good deals there..
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

    Are NEW Domain names worthless?
    Here's the key concept, which isn't easy to grasp at all (it took me a loooo-o-o-o-oong time! ): domain-names do not in themselves have value above and beyond their reg-fees.

    What they're "worth" to a vendor depends on that vendor's market, and that vendor's market depends on his/her own skills at identifying and approaching potentially interested parties to whom, because of their own business, the domain may be worth more than it is to others.

    Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

    for all my research on it and all the appraisals I've received about the domains I picked, it still seems like 'age' is a big deal...
    It's true that aged domains can fetch more, on resale, but all the 200-ish domain-names I've ever sold at a profit have been brand new.

    Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

    The ones I got were .info
    That's your problem, right there.

    There's a reason those were all available.

    Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

    they do have the keywords like cash, real estate, gas hike, tax, etc and they're no more then 7 letters in length
    All of that fades into insignificance, when they're ".info's".

    Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

    they've been 'appraised' from $40 to $60 alone, please don't laugh.
    Ok, I won't laugh, but I admit I would have done, if you hadn't specifically requested otherwise. Those appraisals are meaningless. A domain is worth to you what you can sell it for.

    Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

    Everyone has to start somewhere and learn from their mistakes.
    Agreed.

    Here are two ways you can start learning ...

    1. For resale, buy ".com's" only, at least until you have plenty of successful experience.

    2. Get yourself on this list: http://domainprofitsacademy.com/subscribe (Gene Pimentel is the person whose advice, on these subjects, you should value, respect and acquire!).
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

    I bought a few domain names, and I'm looking to flip them quick, but I'm also new to this market, and for all my research on it and all the appraisals I've received about the domains I picked, it still seems like 'age' is a big deal...

    I mean, I can understand getting some traffic to the site can be helpful, however, I've noticed that some domain names, all that really matters is the keywords and length.
    The ones I got were .info but still, they do have the keywords like cash, real estate, gas hike, tax, etc and they're no more then 7 letters in length (aside from the realestate one lol) so they've been 'appraised' from $40 to $60 alone, please don't laugh. Everyone has to start somewhere and learn from their mistakes.

    So any advice here is welcomed on the matter,
    Thanks!

    If you mean by appraised, estibot or some other software, they haven't been appraised. Software appraisals are worthless. If the new domains you bought were so hot, they wouldn't have been available, even in info. It won't be easy to dump a bunch of new .infos unless they were premium, and by premium, I mean one word dictionary terms.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    I've registered ans sold domain names virtually every day for the past 9 years. Very, very few have an "age" factor. No traffic, no PR, no backlinks. Raw domains. As Alexa stated, most domain names have no real value over their registration fee. The value is created by researching and locating potential buyers who really want the name, or who understand how it can be used to further their business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
      Originally Posted by The Caliph View Post

      If the new domains you bought were so hot and in demand then, seriously, I don't think they wouldn't have even been available to scoop up in the first place.
      Thank goodness nobody gave me that advice over the past nine years. I make a full time living from registering and flipping new domains every day. And I do live a very nice life :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
      Originally Posted by The Caliph View Post

      Well, to be honest with you, software appraisals are absolutely worthless.

      If the new domains you bought were so hot and in demand then, seriously, I don't think they wouldn't have even been available to scoop up in the first place.
      That's my view as well. Most of the domains are trash, but there is a sucker born every minute. It's just a matter of building the correct list I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by ltrain_riders View Post

        That's my view as well. Most of the domains are trash, but there is a sucker born every minute. It's just a matter of building the correct list I guess.
        I didn't say that most domains are trash. I register new domains all the time and they aren't trash. A lot of newbies register a bunch of trash domains in the beginning and end up just letting them expire. I certainly did.

        Nobody is a sucker for paying more for domains if they have a plan and use for it. We don't know the domains he bought, but right off the bat, I'd be less inclined to buy .infos at a price higher than reg fee. I buy .infos occasionally, but not for more than reg fee. It would have to be a really dynamite .info for me to pay a premium price for it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Aeristilheartly
          Thank you all so much, you have no idea what this info means to me

          Hey, I've been going through everything, signed up for the domain advice and have been rummaging the expired domain website looking for deals and before I decided to 'buy' anything, just one more question about it lol

          What would you all say is the HIGHEST key factor in buying. I mean, if you were looking to buy a domain, what would you would be looking for the most (aside from the .com/.net/.org prefix)?
          PR, Traffic, Alexa ranking or length of URL?

          I've noticed some people sell 'PR' packages so it almost seems like PR is the most popular, but I don't want to start buying from what I 'think' I know

          Thanks again, you guys have been great
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          • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
            Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

            What would you all say is the HIGHEST key factor in buying. I mean, if you were looking to buy a domain, what would you would be looking for the most (aside from the .com/.net/.org prefix)?
            PR, Traffic, Alexa ranking or length of URL?
            The answer to this is probably not what you expect or want to hear. The #1 criteria is that there is a hungry market for the type of domain you register. That can only be determined by doing research in advance (look for what's hot in business, what products or services have a lot of interest, see what people are paying to advertise, etc.).

            I'll say it again - PR, traffic, Alexa ranking, backlinks are secondary. Nice to have, but of the thousands of domains I've sold, I have never looked at these factors. The length of the domain is insignificant as long as it is highly relevant. Some of my biggest sales were from very long domains.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Aeristilheartly View Post

            What would you all say is the HIGHEST key factor in buying. I mean, if you were looking to buy a domain, what would you would be looking for the most (aside from the .com/.net/.org prefix)?
            PR, Traffic, Alexa ranking or length of URL?
            I don't even look at any of those. (I do try to check the history briefly, to see whether it looks like it might have been de-indexed/blacklisted, or anything unpleasant, in the past).

            But I'm not interested in PR, traffic, "Alexa rankings" (:rolleyes or length of the url. To the best of my knowledge, none of those things has ever had any bearing on how easily I can sell a name or how much I can get for it. What's relevant to me is my assessment of how easily I can identify and approach potentially interested parties to whom the domain-name may have artificially added value because of the nature of their own business. That's what my income from this depends on. Each domain-name is worth to me only what I can sell it for.
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            • Profile picture of the author passiveincomebiz
              And I believe Gene also has a service where he registers domains he believes are hot and places them on a membership site where members can get an affiliate site with the said domains on them. A member can then drive traffic to his website in a bid to sell one or more domains. If a customer wants to buy a domain -- he contacts the member who can then purchases the domain off Gene and then resell it for a profit. This way the member benefits from Gene's experience in choosing a portfolio of great domains without having to tie up cash in buying domains that may not sell
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  • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
    The domains are only worth what somebody is willing to pay. As others have mentioned, you really need to find the right person looking for what you have to offer.

    I had some fool sent me an email asking me if I was interested in shopytime.com. Clearly this person was just like you, because they purchased the domain back in November and is trying to flip it for a profit. Maybe he'll find some sucker who thinks this is a good domain name and they can build it up. My stance is this, if I wasn't looking for it to begin with, I won't buy it. If I was looking to build a shopping website then maybe I would consider it.

    Good luck to you. Without targeting direct potential buyers, you will waste a lot of your time trying to sell domains for little profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Head Minion
    Age is seen as the 'big deal' as with time often comes pagerank, which places the site higher in Google rankings, and therefore increases the value.

    If you want to flip the sites you do have and move on one suggestion would be to get a site up with some relevant content (you'll be able to find people on fiverr.com who can do this for you) and sell them on to people who want a 'readymade' site.
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  • Profile picture of the author napoleonfirst
    A domain name with 4 years of age or aboce is great, and the less characters the better witha .com, .net and .org extension.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martinsee
    The value of your domain included :
    - Name of domain
    - How much do you pay for Marketing/ads of this domain
    - How long do you build your business.
    So, don't bother the .com or .net or any extensions. Keep building business, community, your domain value will increase large.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrednCO
    I have asked that question in the past and one top marketer I admire once said, It's .com for a reason. There might be value in the others and ever situation is unique. My friend sold a .net to a organization that was going to sue him for using their name to market a juice product. He took the site down and made a few bucks but that is an isolated example. Get something ranking and there's the value!
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    • Profile picture of the author macmani
      I know the top 3 Tlds command the most value, but I am curious to know the value of .biz domains. I am holding a .biz domain from 2 years but wondering if I should continue to hold or discard it. its called computerengineering.biz.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

        Where have you found is a good place to sell them?
        Gene has a free guide in his signature for tips on selling domains.

        Originally Posted by FrednCO View Post

        I have asked that question in the past and one top marketer I admire once said, It's .com for a reason. There might be value in the others and ever situation is unique. My friend sold a .net to a organization that was going to sue him for using their name to market a juice product. He took the site down and made a few bucks but that is an isolated example. Get something ranking and there's the value!
        It's not an isolated example. Ideally, you don't want to buy trademarks and get threatened, but .net and .orgs can sell for huge amounts of money as well as some of the other country codes.

        Non .com gTLDs (.biz, .info, .mobi, .net, .org, .asia, .pro & .tel)

        The non .com gTLDs made up for a slow start to 2013 last week by ringing up a quartet of five-figure sales this time around (they had none last week). You saw all of those in the all extension section earlier. The highest sale in this category that you haven't seen yet is #5 on our new weekly Non .Com gTLD Top 20 Sales Chart - that is Stacks.net, a domain that Sedo sold for $5,000.

        Sedo added $4,800 for #6 ImageShop.org then Afternic weighed in with $4,500 for SuperSports.net - one of their ten charted sales. Sedo also had ten including #8 Rookie.org at $3,500.

        The .nets easily won the extension raise, piling up 14 of the 20 chart entries. Org was next with five leaving one spot left that went to .info.

        Here's how all of the Non .Com gTLD leaders stacked up for the week ending Sunday, January 13: ... Software Company's $375,000 Domain Purchase Tops This Week's Sales Chart
        Afternic.com had their usual solid week with a hand in five charted sales. Their roster was led by #10 Yum.in (Indian ccTLD) at $16,000. That was one of two country code domains that earned places on the Big Board. The other was #9 Choinki.pl (Polish ccTLD), sold for $17,290 at Sedo.

        Sedo also had the week's biggest non .com gTLD sale - #8 RTB.net at $18,000. That is one of four non .com gTLDS on the leader board, joining Afternic's joint sale with YummyNames of #15 TPO.org at $12,077, Afternic's $10,595 sale of #19 GWK.net and Sedo's $10,000 sale of #20 (tie) Insured.org.

        There were several dozen more four-figure ccTLD sales off the chart led by NetFleet.com.au's $3,830 sale of Logic.com.au. They also sold three other Australian domains - MovingHome.com.au ($1,453), Car-Finance.com.au ($1,351) and AFLResults.com.au ($1,063).

        NoktaDomains sold seven .co.uk domains including AllInclusiveCruises.co.uk at $3,500, RubberMats.co.uk at $3,250 and CoffeeCream.co.uk at $1,500. PublicHolidays.co.uk added $1,350, ThankYouCards.co.uk contributed $1,300 and two others - AdView.co.uk and WelshNews.co.uk went for $1,000 apiece.

        In a private transaction Jeff Williams sold a Chinese ccTLD IDN - 搞笑.中国 - for $3,500. The name translates to Funny.china.

        Back at Sedo Miethalle.de drew $3,325 while Freelancer.uy and Pizza24.it tallied $3,000 each. Sedo had 55 more four-figure ccTLD sales ranging from $1,000 to $2,660 that are listed in the table below: ... Software Company's $375,000 Domain Purchase Tops This Week's Sales Chart
        Originally Posted by macmani View Post

        I know the top 3 Tlds command the most value, but I am curious to know the value of .biz domains. I am holding a .biz domain from 2 years but wondering if I should continue to hold or discard it. its called computerengineering.biz.
        I never buy biz and don't know too many people who do. I wouldn't hold a biz that I didn't intend to develop, hoping that someone would offer to buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author adisini
    If you want to flip domain, don't flip another domain than .com, .net, .org except it have great pagerank, quality backlinks, or have great domain name.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Hey, you need to AVOID .info domains, period. Listen, I work for a reseller company doing domain research....

    If you are NEW to this market, you need to just chill out a little bit and not buy ANYTHING for awhile...it's a pretty good chance your judgement of what is a good domain and what is not a good domain is SERIOUSLY FLAWED, ok?

    So why not just learn about domains for a good solid YEAR? I know that sounds like a long time, but it will save you a LOT of money and heartache and I promise by the end of that year you will know MUCH MORE than you do right now and you will develop a decent "eye" for quality domains and can capitalize on the good ones.

    Take your time here. Don't rush to make bank in this business. It's a VERY TOUGH business, I can tell you in all honesty.
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleFury
    Definitely not. Build them up if you can or get aged ones if you prefer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
      Originally Posted by KyleFury View Post

      Definitely not. Build them up if you can or get aged ones if you prefer.
      LMAO. Build up .info domains? Good luck with that and happy sailing.
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  • Profile picture of the author dukegman
    Firstly to answer the question in the title of your post, No! New domain names are not worthless if they are some really quality domains. Secondly, .info domains will rarely give you any profits as it is the least preferred domain extension (when compared to .com; .net; and .org). So your first priority should be to find .com ones, because they can do really well. If not .com, then at least net or org ones, because they have chances to be sold well. Another important thing is to keep in mind that you should select "Exact Match" while collecting keyword search data because with that turned off, it is NOT rare to find even domains with a few hundred million monthly searches.

    Oh and, just to inspire and motivate you, I would like to tell you about a domain flipping success. Did you know? GamesForGirls.com was sold for $500,000 dollars, with just the domain (no website at all)... Insane right?
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