Which Affiliate Should Get Paid?

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Gday!

Just a quick question - In your opinion which affiliate should get the commission: the first to send the customer or the last?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    Ooooo good questions... I can think of scenarios where both deserve to get paid, where the first deserves to get paid and then scenarios for the last to get paid . In general though the last one in my opinion deserves to get paid because they are the last point of contact before the sale occurred. Then again I can come up with many reasons why the first person should get paid because they "might" of put a lot of effort into marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    What kind of question is this? How about all the affiliates that bring you customers? If they sell your shit, then you pay them. Done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Albright
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

      What kind of question is this? How about all the affiliates that bring you customers? If they sell your shit, then you pay them. Done.
      Originally Posted by Jack Albright View Post

      First of all what kind of a crazy question is this anyway? All affiliates should get paid! If they're putting forth the effort to drive customers to the product, they Deserve to be paid!
      That wasn't the question... The question is about affiliates getting paid or not. The question is about, if one person introduces a customer to a site and markets for you and then someone down the line just pushes them over the edge, who deserves to get paid.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by butters View Post

        ... The question is about, if one person introduces a customer to a site and markets for you and then someone down the line just pushes them over the edge, who deserves to get paid.

        That's not what OP said.

        What If the 2nd person is doing something bl@ckhat?
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        • Profile picture of the author butters
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          That's not what OP said.

          What If the 2nd person is doing something bl@ckhat?
          Fraggler...

          "A sample scenario is customer reads a review at Person A's blog and goes to the affiliate product but doesn't buy - they decide to go back later. A week later they see an email from Person B which gets them thinking again. They go back to the affiliate product through Person B's link and then buy.

          Both helped sell the product but only one can get paid. Which one do you think it should be?"

          Not really sure how what I said and what he said differs?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Albright
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        • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
          Originally Posted by Jack Albright View Post

          NO...this was his question! Just a quick question - In your opinion which affiliate should get the commission: the first to send the customer or the last?
          And this was your answer:

          Originally Posted by Jack Albright View Post

          First of all what kind of a crazy question is this anyway? All affiliates should get paid! If they're putting forth the effort to drive customers to the product, they Deserve to be paid!
          So since all affiliates should get paid, if a customer clicks on 3 different people's affiliate links before buying my products, by your answer I should pay all 3 of those affiliates for just that one sale lol?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jack Albright
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            • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
              Originally Posted by Jack Albright View Post

              It doesn't matter if the customer clicks on 50 links, the affiliate link he buys from gets the commission!
              Jack, that's the whole point of the thread and your first response was nothing along those lines, at least to myself and many others.

              The last link clicked doesn't always belong to the most deserving affiliate based on product education and promotional effort. I just wanted to gauge how other marketers prefered to manage this scenario.

              Someone always has to miss out and it looks like affiliate marketers prefer the first person to introduce the product misses out and the one who closes the deal, whether through marketing genius or pure luck, gets the commission.
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            • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
              Originally Posted by Jack Albright View Post

              All I said was if someone buys your product though an affiliate link, that affiliate deserves to be paid.
              You said this:

              All affiliates should get paid! If they're putting forth the effort to drive customers to the product, they Deserve to be paid!
              That's why I thought you were referring to the idea that you should pay every affiliate whose link was clicked on my a customer before they made the purchase
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

      What kind of question is this? How about all the affiliates that bring you customers? If they sell your shit, then you pay them. Done.
      Originally Posted by Jack Albright View Post

      First of all what kind of a crazy question is this anyway? All affiliates should get paid! If they're putting forth the effort to drive customers to the product, they Deserve to be paid!
      Do you at all understand the question being asked? For the same sale, one sale, with multiple affiliates promoting the product, which affiliate gets the commission... The first one to send to the offer as in the first affiliate cookie set or the last affiliate ... the one just prior to the sale being made.

      If I had to choose, I'd have to pick the last since that was the affiliate that converted the visit to a sale.
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Do you at all understand the question being asked? For the same sale, one sale, with multiple affiliates promoting the product, which affiliate gets the commission... The first one to send to the offer as in the first affiliate cookie set or the last affiliate ... the one just prior to the sale being made.

        If I had to choose, I'd have to pick the last since that was the affiliate that converted the visit to a sale.
        After reading this whole thread, I was wondering when someone was finally going to explain this to the people above lol. I was sitting there starting to wonder if there were actually affiliate programs that do as people suggested and split commissions based on cookies from multiple affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    A sample scenario is customer reads a review at Person A's blog and goes to the affiliate product but doesn't buy - they decide to go back later. A week later they see an email from Person B which gets them thinking again. They go back to the affiliate product through Person B's link and then buy.

    Both helped sell the product but only one can get paid. Which one do you think it should be?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      It's easy to imagine cases in which the first affiliate clearly has an overwhelming moral right to the payment.

      It's also easy to imagine cases in which the last affiliate does.

      (For that matter, it's pretty easy even to construct a situation in which the middle of three affiliates is actually the one who deserves to be paid!).

      The question really boils down to which method is going to do the greatest justice/least injustice (in spite of obvious counterexamples, which there'll always be) most of the time.

      My feeling is that "the most recent affiliate gets the sale" is fairer, overall. (ClickBank has this one right.)
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      • Profile picture of the author jgant
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        The question really boils down to which method is going to do the greatest justice/least injustice (in spite of obvious counterexamples, which there'll always be) most of the time.
        Last affiliate linked click due to Alexa's reasoning.

        Where this becomes muddled is when merchants offer coupon discounts to select affiliates and there's a coupon/promo code field in the checkout process. The affiliates who don't have sufficient sales volume for the codes, lose out despite often doing the selling.

        For this reason I avoid products that if they have coupon codes don't offer me the same as anyone else.

        I also find it annoying when the checkout process has a promo code field but offers no coupon code. Inevitably the referral goes to Google and searches for "discount code" or equivalent, finds a fake coupon claim affiliate link, and then buys.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    Whoever sold the prduct...but it is commonly accepted that the last cookie gets the sale.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      Both helped sell the product but only one can get paid. Which one do you think it should be?
      Oh, my apologies then. I thought you were looking for ways to dupe your own affiliates.

      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      Whoever sold the prduct...but it is commonly accepted that the last cookie gets the sale.
      Indeed, that can be an unfortunate occurrence, but at this time there is no remedy for it... other than for the prospect to either buy immediately or bookmark the link with the appropriate cookie in it so the proper affiliate can make the sale when the prospect returns. Not much you can do about it as the vendor.
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Jonbones
    First gets a larger percentage since they got the customer there, the second gets a smaller cut.

    What ever the percentage that you pay your affiliates, give the first 75%, the second 25%
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Jonbones, in an ideal world everyone would get a share for the effort they put in but it's not really practical.

    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was thinking last person as well but just recalled many discussions about Clickbank in particular where a product owner could snipe back a commission by dropping their affiliate link in an email series that their affiliate created the lead for.

    I thought there might have been some going the other way due to that situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      I was thinking last person as well but just recalled many discussions about Clickbank in particular where a product owner could snipe back a commission by dropping their affiliate link in an email series that their affiliate created the lead for.
      No affiliate has to promote offers with a vendor's opt-in on the sales page. (And very few serious, pro-affiliates are willing to). It's not a big deal, though: all the vendor needs to do is produce an alternative sales page without his opt-in, for the benefit of the affiliates he most wants to attract.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...oduct-opt.html

      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      I thought there might have been some going the other way due to that situation.
      Yes ... it would be an alternative solution to that problem. But it would raise other issues/problems, too? And sensible vendors recognize that pro-affiliates, having expended their time, skills, energy and effort on opting in the traffic for their own lists, understandably don't want their subscribers also subscribing to the vendor's list before the sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Yeah good points. I forgot that the opt-in landing page was the catch.

    It's one thing I never understood: why would a vendor compromise their affiliate relationship? It's a false economy. The effort should be put in to make them succeed and to want to keep promoting your products.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      It's one thing I never understood: why would a vendor compromise their affiliate relationship? It's a false economy. The effort should be put in to make them succeed and to want to keep promoting your products.
      I agree ...

      Some are short-sighted. Some succumb to the very powerful incentive they have to increase their income this way (if they're paying 75% commission, they can double their own income just by appropriating an extra one sale in four, so they can do it without getting "caught" and losing affiliates, and ClickBank does allow this anyway). Some just don't realise that you can have two sales pages. Some have never been asked. Some don't have many affiliates. Some don't understand that affiliates build lists and have other things to promote just like they do. It's a big mixture. There are all types of ClickBank vendors, just like there are all types of other internet marketers, other self-employed people, and other people in general?
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    I support last-cookie affiliate models (which is what I believe Amazon also does). In my industry, trading, there's a handful of "big list guys" who have harvested leads for years, and they use a first-cookie method when they do launches, which benefits themselves at the expense of all the subsequent affiliates. So it's like a small group of 5-8 guys with big lists chose on purpose to use 'first-tattoed leads'/first cookie, gets credit for the sale.

    Even if it was months or longer ago that the lead got on their list.. which is unfair if for example a new affiliate spends a lot of time working to do a promotion for a recent campaign and it's their email sequence that actually produced the sale, the affiliate commissh still goes to the big-list "first cookie" guy. Totally unfair imo.

    I'll be doing a lot to educate trading-industry affiliates to demand last-cookie affiliate programs, and also to encourage them to use IM guru-launch style "battle of the bonuses" to incentivize their leads to buy from them... so the person who earned the sale, gets the commissh.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I've always been in favor of "last cookie," and that's gotten to be a stronger feeling any more. The reason: It cuts down on the commissions stolen from affiliates by cookie stuffers.


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  • Profile picture of the author nrupen
    I think the affiliate who made better pre-sell and sent highly targeted customer should get sell.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You are asking for cookie stuffers if you do first affiliate. I much prefer last cookie for that reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    nrupen, that's not only hard to judge but nearly impossible to automate. The only way to do that is to ask the customer at checkout who referred them.

    Malcolm: you're obviously new around here. You'll find the forum much more useful if you actually read the threads. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    The cookie stuffing issue didn't cross my mind and that's a really strong argument for last cookie. It's kind of what those list owners Ken was talking about do too, but above-board. Even a news feed of new products could take advantage of it. I'm sold.
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  • Profile picture of the author sabatek
    Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

    Gday!

    Just a quick question - In your opinion which affiliate should get the commission: the first to send the customer or the last?

    Thanks!
    I think the first should. I used to deal with commission awhile back and it would hurt after working with someone for a while, they don't buy but they come back and they buy from a coworker who just happened to be there.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneygoose
      In the case where someone comes back a week later or something, the last affiliate should always get the sale.

      I think the 24 hour cookie is the best model, until they gut it like Amazon did.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    This is a tough one, but I'm going to go with LAST because it was them that closed the sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    If this is a matter of justice, both affiliates should share the commission.



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  • Profile picture of the author Brains Gone Wild
    Logically and technically, it should almost always be the last. However, as Alexa said... there will always be cases to the contrary with the 1st -and- even 'middle' promotions deserving it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    It depends on a lot of things.

    I've promoted shit before and made one hell of a pre-sale, which resulted in guaranteed sales.

    However, then they see affiliate B promoting the same product, with the same discount as my link, but they offer some "bonus" item that is nowhere near relevant to the product being sold, and they have never even used the product for themselves.

    Meaning they have NO idea how to answer any questions if the customer should have any.

    The customer buys from affiliate B - then they come crying to me when they need help, since I am the one who convinced them to purchase.

    Even though they planned on purchasing due to MY promotions in the first place, they tried to find a better deal.

    Then, when they have problems with anything, they think they can come crying to me for help, when I didn't even get commission? HA.. I don't think so.

    Again, it depends entirely on the situation. We don't know the full details, so it's kinda hard to say who should get that commission.

    I've been robbed of my earnings far too many times in the past because of stuff like that.

    If someone wants to come to me for questions/help/etc, they can buy from me.

    If they buy from someone else, they can go to that person for help.

    I'm not gonna waste my time helping someone when I didn't even get credit for the sale.

    And I'm sure as hell not gonna waste my time promoting that product in the future in that scenario.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    The last link clicked doesn't always belong to the most deserving affiliate based on product education and promotional effort. I just wanted to gauge how other marketers prefered to manage this scenario.
    Exactly... and that is my problem with just blindly giving it to the last affiliate cookie.

    Read my previous reply. Its a 100% true (and unfortunately, all-too-often) story for not just myself, but for millions of affiliates out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      Exactly... and that is my problem with just blindly giving it to the last affiliate cookie.

      Read my previous reply. Its a 100% true (and unfortunately, all-too-often) story for not just myself, but for millions of affiliates out there.
      The real problem is that there's no right way to really do it. If you did it the opposite way and gave the commission to the first cookie, then what if that was just someone who spammed them or a cookie stuffer but you're still the one that converted them.

      The only real solution I could see is splitting commissions between affiliates but that would open you up to getting scammed big time by affiliate programs telling you that part of the commission went to a few other affiliates and there not being any way for you to verify that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    I think it will still be fair to credit the last affiliate as that is the person that is able to get the customer to purchase the product. There is no perfect system so it will be more practical to take action on things that we have control over like doing more traffic generation activities, writing better presell copy and more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I like last cookie gets the commission. Like others have said it is not perfect but it is the better of the two. Have I lost sales to another affiliate that got my potential buyer after me? Yes. Have I got sales after another affiliate did more pre-selling before me? Probably. I don't worry about it anymore since it all seems to even out and there is nothing you can do about it anyway.
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