How To Kill Your Reputation In TWO Forums In 3 Easy Steps!!!

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Sometimes you really have to wonder if people really realize just how 'small' the internet is - especially in the IM space......obviously, I cannot name the person or the WSO but here is what is going on:

1) Warrior A (with significant post count - someone "we can trust"!) launches WSO with great sales letter - but a sharp-eyed Warrior notes that those income bars on the Clickbank screen shot don't match up - yup - income has been falsified!

2) Another sharp eyed Warrior spots the site/product from above WSO being sold in the Marketplace at another well known forum......

3) Warriors post here and at the other Marketplace - PMs Warrior A at both locations. Posts and PMs are ignored....WSO is DELETED by Warrior A....posts at Marketplace DELETED by Warrior A.....there goes the possibility that 'something happened' and Warrior A just hasn't had time to come back and respond and clear up the mess.....he is NOT lying in a ditch somewhere.

I have received PMs that there were 'issues' with his last WSO - and refund requests were ignored then, just as now.

And here is the point I want to make: I am 54 years old. I have been in sales since I was 16 years old - started out as the sales manager for my high school newsletter. I have been in a very tough competitive niche - payment processing - for more than 20 years, and I am EXTREMELY successful. I made the transition in the industry from offline to online and not many of my generation were able to do that.

I have clients that have been with me for more than 15 years and in this business - that just doesn't happen. I have had processors go out of business overnight, owing clients HUGE amounts of money - but I was able to salvage my relationships with my clients, in spite of some very ugly situations, because I always try my best to do the right thing for my clients. ALWAYS!

I have always believed that I really have only ONE product - my personal integrity. Everything else, as far as I am concerned, is an 'add-on'. My clients know this. They know that I put their well being at the top of my priority list, and in turn - my business is well cared for as well.

The world is a very small place these days. I have clients in virtually every major city in the world - and your reputation follows you everywhere. Yesterday, for example, a new client called from Australia - referred by a client from South Africa that he met at a conference in Amsterdam......now THAT is a global reach, folks.

Deleting a few posts, getting rid of a WSO means nothing. It's still out there somewhere - waiting to pop up when you least expect it.

Once you lose your integrity - you lose everything. That $20 you made today is nothing compared to the time it takes to rebuild your reputation - if you ever can.

I don't know what is going on in this person's life - perhaps something so desperate that he has had to resort to such measures, but to me - this is simply sad. Yes, I know it's dishonest, but it's also heartbreaking to see someone that apparently has some good knowledge (based on past posts, thanks you's etc) throw it all away for a few hundred or even a few thousand dollars - small change compared to the long-term value of a good reputation.

My honest hope is that he will see this post - and make an attempt to get back on the right path again.

Melody
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  • Melody - your on-exit popup is awesome. Did you hire someone to make it? I'm thinking it's time for me to make my own a lot more attractive. I've never hired a web designer, only graphics designers.
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    • Chris - not sure which script I am using on the MobiOptin site but will check and PM you - I am pretty sure I bought it here through a WSO - I rarely go outside of the WF for anything I use!

      As to the site - hand built it myself! Including the graphics - some women learn how to knit - I learned how to build websites - it's a good creative outlet for me considering that most of my day revolves around contracts ;-)

      Melody
  • Right on the money, Melody.

    I've watched the WSO thread from the time Jeremy replied, and it's pathetic to say the least. Trying to get out clean by selling the whole thing is also not justified IMO.

    Who knows about the statistics that are shown on Sitepoint auction...

    First one should never forge these statistics. Trying to make a quick buck, it can backfire completely. Then, if one has done this, one must not avoid the crowd in such a manner. Have the courage to admit it, and invest the time building a reputation back. With every such act, the reputation is draining...
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    • That's exactly what I said to him in a PM on both forums last night - and then discovered this am that he had deleted all of the Warrior posts at the other forum, and deleted the WSO here.

      Show some backbone, admit you were desperate (?) and screwed up. Re-build your rep here.....but I would say that ain't his gameplan at this point!
  • Yep. WSO's live on at WSO Tracker - Tracking, Notifications, Watchlist, RSS Alerts, Stats and more... | Warrior+Plus -- comments and all. It's a handy tool for buyers to check a seller's history.

    Even if WarriorPlus didn't have a copy of all WSOs, they'd pop up elsewhere. Lots of folks on this forum save copies of threads that are likely to disappear. Like you said -- this kind of stuff is just waiting to pop up when least expected.

    The person in question scrambled to cover his tracks. Best thing he could do -- if he cared about his rep at all -- would be to just come forward, come clean, apologize and make amends. Start fresh.

    (Unfortunately, too many people in the same situation choose to just "start fresh" under a new name -- and they compound their problems when folks later discover who they really are.)

    Cheers,
    Becky
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    • LOL - I forgot about that this am - and I shouldn't have since I use the site myself frequently!

      Still hoping that he will change his mind and make amends - this is NOT about the $20 here - I don't care about that at this point - you just really hate to see someone blow themselves up like this!

      Melody
  • Yep I saw that both of them. He tried to sell in on SP this morning.
  • Good Reputation is something which takes time to build but getting that reputation to spoil will take seconds.

    So be honest
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    • Melody -

      I don't think he could delete the wso here - he could mark it closed and remove the text by editing - but it may have been deleted by mods. I've been watching this, too, and checked the sales page that had the falsified info on it - and the message there today is

      Also, on the other site it was mentioned he "forgot to add google analytics" - but you can "see it's legit" if you " check my revenue screenshots".

      "Correcting" his original errors and then trying to sell through another forum is an indication of how deliberate this attempt was - as does the lack of response when found out.

      From the WSO Rules:

      They don't get much more scammy than faking earnings to sell a product. Two sets of faked income, two scam attempts and lie after lie - is about as deliberate as it gets.

      kay

      EDIT: Glad to see "banned" in this case. It doesn't matter who it was - it's important to air it so everyone knows NOT to try scamming members here.
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  • Could you please tell us who this person is?
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    • There is NO way you're 54.

      That Avatar must be a fake.

      All kidding aside, you're right...reputation is the whole ball game. I am
      speaking as someone who has done stupid things and as a result has lost
      some good friendships. While some might think they're trivial things (bragging,
      opening my big mouth, being super opinionated, giving opinions as if they
      were law) there have been people who simply put me in the category of
      "total ass" and no longer want anything to do with me (not that I blame
      them)

      And who did it hurt?

      Me.

      So yes, what you do follows you your whole life.

      And some things are just not easily fixable.

      Thanks for a very sobering post.
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    • No, that's against WF policy - I posted because I really wanted to make the point that this was very shortsighted to do what he did - and - silly me! - I was kind of hoping he would step up and make it right, as Rebecca suggested.

      Melody
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  • Hmm...I'm not sure if I believe you, Melody.
    You don't look anywhere near 54.
    Maybe 44...
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    • Bryan - I ALREADY BOUGHT YOUR BOOK!!!! LOL - just kidding and thanks for the compliment - it's amazing how the wrinkles don't show when you reduce those photos!!!

      Mel
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    • I believe Bryan...Melody, you don't look like 54. Please check your birth certificate because you maybe born between 1964 and 1967.

      Ross

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    • That was my thought exactly Bryan! Either that or that picture is 10 years old. :-)
  • Hi Melody,

    Yeah, it was sad to see the lengths they had gone through to try and cover their tracks. I just checked their profile, and they've now been banned from the Warrior Forum.

    I doubt this is the last we've heard from this "Warrior", as I'm sure they'll be back under a new username soon.
  • Banned
    Sorry to hear about what happened Melody. I just hope that it will still be sorted out.
  • No, the entire thread was deleted. I know because I posted in it... not to stir up more ruckus, but to make it known that stepping up and making it right was a critical step at this point in time.

    Unless there is no concern for myself and other's purchases from another site, then I would say let it be. Maybe flip that too? Cool.
  • It is unfortunate that someone would feel the need to cheat people just to make a few bucks. The thing is, they probably would have made a lot more money if they would have created an honest product that provided value. At least they would still have their integrity and reputation.
  • Melody, in sharing this attitude you have made the post of the year! Thank you!

    What a difference it would make if everyone were to ask: "Starting with my integrity and caring, what techniques can I use to be of service?" I see some people chase one idea after another in a blizzard of confusion. If people start with the attitude of service, than the answer to "what tools & techniques" is easy: use whichever one best serves and helps the customer.

    Thanks again for the inspiration.

    Regards,
    Allen
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  • Wow, Melody, you sure know how to speak to your money. I agree with you there; reputation is something that no money can buy.
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  • I was following that one too...

    I was surprised to see who was doing it for certain. It just goes to show you, don't believe someone just because they throw a screen shot up and tell you it is legitimate.
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    • Jeremy - I bought the report because I had followed his posts in the past - did not even check the income stats because I felt no need to - YOU were the sharp eye that caught it.

      Thanks for your vigilance!

      Melody
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  • I think the WSO forum lends to some of this behavior on its own, but I really can't understand why someone would do this. I mean, in theory it would be really easy to pull a huge scam on the WSO section and if you knew what you were doing you could avoid all traces of personal identification. This is why I rarely buy from the WSO section and why I don't like running my own WSO's unless I need to. I'm not blaming the forum, but it feeds on this type of thing.

    Great post. Hopefully it will warn some new Warriors that don't know any better.

    By the way, I know its been said, but Ohio must be treating you well
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    • Nathan -

      LOL - your WSO was a total over deliver as I recall - it was awesome! I have been buying WSOs for years - and until the past year - never a problem. In fact many of the resources I use on a daily basis come from WSOs - my hubby is always amazed when he finds some expensive service or tool that he thinks we should be using and I tell him we have it and what WE paid!

      This is an amazing resource - and I just hate like hell to see the fact that many people are now concerned about buying a WSO - that should not be the case and will ultimately hurt everyone here - the sellers and the buyers!

      And yes, I have to give credit to my Ohio lifestyle - jumped out of Siicon Valley 10 years ago - today work from my log home on 5 acres - 15 mins from the Reds and Bengals stadiums, and my office overlooks my own lake. It's much nicer to see the deer and geese out my window than the traffic ;-)

      Melody
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  • This is a good reminder for me. I get so much good info here that I tend to get relaxed and trust everyone. Especially if their post count is high.
  • I saw that WSO, and I, like everyone else, though this "Warrior" was a trustworthy person. I mean, everything they did up until this point was good. They gave solid advice, put out some decent products, etc.

    Man, all of that work just for a couple quick bucks? It really DOES make you wonder how desperate of a situation they were in for that to happen.

    I always make sure I take care of everyone. I put a high value on customer service. Without good customer service, you have no customer retention. I shouldn't have to really get into how important customer service is in your business, because it should be relevant, whether your on or offiline.

    Treat those how you would like to be treated. Next time you feel like not doing something for a customer, no matter how "out of line" or how "pesky" they may seem or be, turn the situation around and try to see yourself in their shoes.

    I bet that may change a few things, eh?

    Man, I've had some outrageous customers before, but I always try to do my best, no matter how upset I may be. I always offer support on all of my products (and some that are NOT mine), and open myself to any questions that anyone on my list of subscribers may have.

    Sure, it takes more time, but that customer will value me and what I present them a lot more than if I just ignored them.

    So, back to my main point - The internet may seem like a big place, but what most people don't realize is the amount of interlinking networks that lie within it.

    In other words, if you screw up big time, the whole community will find out, and they will find out fast.

    This person should just come clean, but then again, they may never be able to gain that trust back again, or it will at least take a lot of time.....
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  • Nathan,

    I PM'd you some information.
  • Here is how to alert people, without naming the person.

    Visit WSO Tracker - Tracking, Notifications, Watchlist, RSS Alerts, Stats and more... | Warrior+Plus

    Since we know, from this thread, that it was deleted yesterday - and it involves a clickbank screenshot - We can then search fora listing that was closed/deleted yesterday regarding CB.

    It only took me 2 minutes to find out who you guys are talking about
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    • Thanks for that resource

      -Nathan
    • Thank you Charles, just like Nathan I was somewhat concerned about who this person is. You gave us a quick and easy way to get that info. Much appreciated.

      WSO's and this entire forum have been a very, very valuable part of my internet business. There are people here who have reputations that are Gold. They over deliver, they respond almost instantly, they show a very caring attitude. This is a valuable, and important place. Melody and I have corresponded and she's one of those excellent people. Her main point, "Once you lose your integrity - you lose everything" is one of the most important ideas everyone in this forum should heed.

      The "Lifetime Value" of a client increases exponentially when you treat them with integrity. You also get positive points in the universe, and you can feel really good about what you do for a living.

      Thanks Melody and all who commented...good stuff,

      Palo
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    • thanks for pointing out how important a good reputation is to have. i too have been ripped off by a member who has built a great reputation here. The problem is i paid him $750 for a product that i received half finished and unusable. i bought the product in november 08 and he is still "revising" it. i am hoping he is not screwing me over but after a year I think it will just have to be a lesson learned. How would i be able to warn other members before he cons them too?
  • If richpeck is now banned then is mentioning his username, from back when he was a Warrior, still a violation of rule #1?

    Just askin'.
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    • I think it is, since rule #1 doesn't apply "only" to Warriors. The point of rule #1 is that if you have a problem with someone, this isn't the place to make it public. It may be inconvenient at times, but it protects the integrity of the forum and keeps Allen out of trouble.
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  • I was unhappy with one of his WSOs from the fall - I asked for a refund in the thread - I think I emailed as well - but never got a response.
  • Can we get the deleted WSO undeleted? Having it gone leaves those who might be vulnerable to purchasing other things from himm in the future not to be able to do any due diligence research.
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    • Just read post number 44 in this thread...it isnt really deleted
    • No, you can't get it "unbanned". He's been banned here totally - you won't see any more things for sale from him under that name, at least. At mentioned above, the deleted WSO can still be viewed at warriorplus.com

      It's another reminder to take time to check on people you are buying from. At the very LEAST, check comments in their previous WSO's.
  • Dude, it is hard for someone who is desperate for money to even care about a reputation. Nobody ever buys from a newbe, so at some point people decide to fake it until they make it.

    These are the results you get.
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    • To be honest - I assumed that this was perhaps what happened - some serious financial situation that caused him to make a rash, and not wise decision to do what he did. I contacted him privately - several times - here and at the other forum. He was given the opportunity to simply 'man up', admit it was a mistake and apologize, and he did something entirely different.

      It's done, it's over - he's gone for now.

      Melody
  • Well, that's nice that everyone is happy that this person has been banned, but frankly, this thread was a complete waste of my time, because:

    a) I have no idea who you are talking about
    b) I have no clue what the offending product was
    c) because of a) & b) above, I cannot protect myself from the poster or the product
    d) this clown can and probably will come right back under a new name and do it again.

    If the offense is so grevious that it deserves banning, then it also deserves full outing disclosure to protect members. The argument that silence somehow protects the forum owner is specious reasoning.

    I swear to god, the way this place is run is ridiculous. People, posts and threads getting "disappeared" for no discernible reason, and then everyone talking about how they can't talk about things.

    Ridiculous.

    :rolleyes:
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    • What I don't understand is this, there are exceptions.

      When Alison G was run out of town on a rail here, it was more than publicly
      disclosed. It was a monumental brew ha ha. It might have been the most
      widely viewed thread on the forum for months.

      Granted, she conned some pretty respected warriors here, but does the
      offense have to be that horrible for public awareness?

      And then who decides if an offense is bad enough?

      Seems to me that if a person has been banned from the forum, it should be
      more than acceptable to point out who the person was and why they were
      banned.
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    • Banned
      You don't need to keep coming back if this places "rankle's" you so much.
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    • No...draconian is when they cut off your freakin head after you get done screaming...

      "freeeedom!!"

      It WAS a good movie, though :p
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    • Ooh, talking about how I can't talk about things, one of my favorite subjects.

      I missed whatever the drama was, didn't see the wso, didn't know who the person was since it's not allowed to name (except in a special circumstance which I totally missed that drama too), didn't know what the product was, so out of curiosity Pm'd someone to ask what was going on and found out.

      There is a Name and Shame Wall by Mmurtha where you can publicly warn people who have scammed you since you can't publicly name them here. If people want to warn about scammers, just post em there.
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  • Randy the message you should take away from this thread is..if you scam you will get caught eventually!
    More so here than probably anywhere else you have people that have been around for a very very long time and know most tricks that people can try!

    Shane
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  • Thanks for the heads up!
  • First of all, this is not a 'public' forum - it is a privately owned website that is OPEN to the public. Big difference there.......

    This is NOT a democratic society here - it is a forum owned and operated by one individual, Allan Says. The rules are not set by a vote - they are pretty much laid down by the one person that a) pays for the bandwidth this site uses and b) ultimately holds the legal and financial responsibility/burden for what is said/written here.

    You are essentially on private property here, Randy - this may be open to the public but this is really not in the truest sense of the word - a public forum that is owned by the public.

    There are rules and regs in place here and we who are members have agreed to abide by those rules in exchange for the privilege of using this forum.

    You may not like the fact that you have to wear a shirt and shoes to go into your favorite bar at the beach for a quick beer - but the sign says 'no shirt, no service' and so you put on your shirt because the owner has the right to have certain rules in place in HIS BUSINESS.

    Like it or not - same thing applies here. Not trying to be rude but as Thomas said - these are the rules here, and calling it unpatriotic is not going to get it changed.

    There is a lot to be learned here - try learning more about us before you condemn us, okay?

    Melody
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  • There is, without a shadow of a doubt, a new generation of Internet marketers that is currently emerging from the same pool of undue entitlement that has caused many of the world's current economic issues. Their inability to defer gratification and sense that the world owes them some great debt of gratitude for breathing is what separates them from the leaders of the old school. I tell a lot of the younger companies that I work with that technical ingenuity and prowess can only bring you part of the way; at a certain point in time that ancient gear has to kick in and somebody needs to convey value and meaning to someone else in a manner that motivates them towards action. That common and uniquely human bond is so reliant upon developing trusting relationships that when somebody operating under the guises of business is actively dishonest, it puts not only their character, but the character of all who work in their midst in question.

    While I have been generally dismissive of this community for years, my opinion of WF has changed in the last few months. I've been operating and consulting online businesses for a decade and while it is obvious that many of those self-identifying as gurus both here and elsewhere are not, there is an abundance of great business advice that is delivered without any expectations of repayment on this forum. It would be a shame to see something which began with such good intentions and with so many positive, active contributors turn into another internet marketplace regarded as a target for exploitation. I do think that it is important to note that the quality of WSO's that I have read has seemed to decline lately, but that may very well be caused by dilution.

    So I pose a question back to you all, how does an active, self-policing marketplace avoid being trapped into this sort of cycle?

    EDIT: ... or is this, in and of itself, an unreasonable expectation of any market?
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  • Really sad...

    "Oh, how the mighty have fallen!"

    Greed and avarice live on.

    Reminds of the recent case of a mega-million dollar football star who blew it all on a cruel and pointless endeavor.
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  • The WarriorPlus site seems to be down.
    Melody, sent you a PM (not asking you for the name of the person)
  • It was not Jeremy - just check back through the posts - someone **cough** gave it away......
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    • So true - if you just read the posts on this page you'll know who it is.

      Well stated.

      Guess you'll have to be rankled then. The OWNER of the WF has very few rules and those are designed to benefit the forum as a whole. I give you credit at least for not pulling out the old saw about "freedom of speech".

      It's odd to see complaints that we can't talk about problems like this - isn't that what we're doing right now? It's possible this person may try to come back with another identity - but those of us who've seen it happen also know how quickly that new identity is "outed".

      kay
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  • Hi Melody and Fellow Warriors ...

    Someone had to stand up. There are many newbies here who are very vulnerable and assume that what is printed and shown is factual.

    I have been a member of the warriors from the very beginning. Somehow my posts disappeared and now are under 160. I have met some awesome folks here and I have also had some unpleasant experiences.

    I just posted earlier in response to seomeone who made website purchases and they have disappeared. He wanted to know what to do.

    I have been there as well. And this particular purchase was from someone who has a high post count. Long story short...I received nothing and it took three months for the person to return my money....just under $400. I never received an apology. I really did expect an email or pm from her at some point but it never came.

    I am still here and I am still buying from warriors. The lesson here is that high post count does not mean that the person has integrity. When there is an issue and it is ignored one can only assume the person does not care.

    We all have challenges in life and I am a very understanding person. I think we can all agree... All it takes is an explanation or a prompt refund.

    Also...many of my requests went unanswered and I posted in the forum if anyone had heard from her and my post was deleted. I had also contacted someone who knew her and received no response. What puzzled me were the nice messages exchanged and a great phone conversation at the very beginning.

    It is wise to ask for an email address. If it is a large purchase I also ask for a telephone number. BTW 2 warriors I purchased from have disappeared and I did not get what I paid for. This has not changed my appreciation for the forum and the wealth of information. I have had great experiences here...and most of the folks here are awesome!

    Thank you,

    Sonia

    P.S. Great to see baby boomers here! I am a young one too..LOL
  • Melody,

    I don't know who you're talking about nor did I see the WSO. But you're so right that integrity is all we have. Unfortunately on the Internet where fake names & anonymity is so common, people scam just because they (think) can get away with it. After all, you don't know who they really are. They get busted, they close up shop & re-emerge as someone else. But the sad part is that I hear from so many people who think it's OK - as long as you can make a buck.

    A lower level "Guru" sent a link to an affiliate product which included "income proof via video." But in taking a closer look at the screen shot toward the bottom of the page, I noticed the Clickbank numbers made no sense. I noticed because I receive checks from Clickbank so I know what the payment screen looks like. But someone who's a newbie might not even notice. I immediately unsubscribed from that marketers list because he endorsed the product saying how great it was. Ironically I'd just gotten on his list a few days before.

    Cynthia

    Edit: I actually did see that product but NOT as a WSO. A fellow Warrior sent me several emails about it saying it was about to be sold out. The seller seemed trustworthy because he claimed he learned what he did from Chris Rempel (who I think is a marketer with integrity) & he modeled his site after one of Chris'. I didn't even look at the screenshot.

    I almost forgot that long ago you had to pay. When I joined (even before my official registration date) I paid to be a member.
  • lol if anyone can't figure out that it was some richpecker by now....then they truly need help
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  • Great post to read! Love the conviction about integrity... glad to see there are a lot of "good guys" out there in the biz.

    Oops, sorry Melody, "good girls" too.
  • I read all the posts in this thread but since I didn't see the posts for that deleted WSO, I am not able to form an opinion about this.

    I have purchased a WSO from this person before.
  • "I really only have one product my personal integrity." That was great I was never able to put it in those words and I feel you. Thanks now I know how to put it
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    • I too find it amazing but maybe there is an explanation. When Imran posted fake screenshots he did it on an external site - Rich did it in a WSO.

      It was extremely amusing to see that both made the same mistake; when they were caught out they replaced the fake screenshot with another fake one!

      Gross stupidity
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  • I'm not sure what would be gained from openly naming someone. While the WSO was live, it had questions and comments about the screenshots. Now that he is banned, why does it matter what his screen name was? If he shows up again he'll be using a different one.

    Looking at a WSO? Ask questions, read reviews, and make a decision. You can't mitigate all risk.

    Best Regards,
    Kevin
  • Melody what an extensive and heart felt post. In my personal opinion your integrity bleeds through your writing

    I think a lot of times when our back is against the wall OR when we see something that we want so bad that our judgement gets cloudy. Once we have it in our mind that a little compromise is ok, we are headed down the path to destruction.

    I don't know if that happened in this case with this particular individual BUT it is hard to come back from self destruction BECAUSE people are not that forgiving.
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  • OMG that is so true....

    The internet is truly a place where the little guy can have a huge impact. If a customer is done wrong by a vendor and not taken care of..that customer can go onto forums like this and write a couple posts and kill that vendors credibility.

    Similarly, the angry person could start a blog and rant and rave about a transaction gone wrong...this blog and its posts get indexed by google and then someone does a search on this vendor and blam...there is the bad review.

    So good post...and very eye-opening
  • For those that are complaining about the forum rules - one last point I would like to make: this is one of the few forums where you actually see members posting REAL information. Information that you can actually 'take to the bank', and one of the reasons is because this place hasn't gotten bogged down with personal dog fights and spamming.

    This place is not run the same way it was when I first joined - it is constantly evolving and trust me - there was definitely a reason that this relatively new rule was put into place. Those of us that have been here awhile remember some real doozies......

    It's not a perfect system - but it's still one of the better places to hang out and actually feel like you did something productive while in a forum. I have reams of notes from this place.

    Whether we agree with Allen's rules or not - the bottom line is that HE is paying the bills here - not us (yeah, I know some of us did pay originally - but humor me here).

    Like I said before - this is Allen's BUSINESS - he has more right to call the shots than we do.

    If you are not happy with the 'restrictive' environment, start your own forum and see how long it takes you to get to this level. It ain't gonna happen overnight.

    But, back to the reason for the OP - the 'banned persona' is still ignoring all attempts at communication, and is deleting all posts on his auction that reference his WSO of the product.

    It seems that the attempt to appeal to his conscience have failed......

    Ah well - I still believe in the Easter Bunny too.........

    Melody
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    • I don't think anyone is really too upset...people have different opinions and I'm OK with that, I just wish others were as well. We can't all agree all the time, otherwise no learning would take place here.

      If you find a Utopia, let me know...I'll be sure to come crash the party!
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