Is there a legal way to steal images?

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Hey.
I know it's sound like a weird question, but I just want to know. If I see images I want to put on my site, is this OK if I post the this way:
instead of uploading them to my server, I will write this code:
<img src="http://www.originalwebsite.com/image.jpg">

(when originalwebsite.com is the site I want to take pictures from)

since it's not on my server, it is not considered to be stealing right?
#images #legal #steal
  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    Are you kidding me? You must not be serious about that whole karma thing, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Indecision
      bandwidth?
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      • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
        Bad idea there. Email the website owner and ask for permission. That still doesn't get you off the hook if they took it illegally from somewhere else.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    You have no control over that image.

    Also nobody else knows that you're reading it off their site, and I think perception is a lot to do with it. You are still copying it after all. And if you're profiting from viewing it, unless you cite it's source where you might get away with it, you're still infringing copyright I would expect.

    The title of this post made me laugh!
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  • Profile picture of the author sunray
    It's not called stealing, it's hotlinking. And yes, it is legal. BUT, there are countless cases when the owners of hotlinked files did 2 things simultainously: they changed the filename of the original; and then put under the old filename something embarrassing. Maybe just a sign that tells your visitors you have stolen an image, maybe something even worse. What they did was also legal.
    Besides, not many websites allow hotlinking. It is very easy to switch it off on your control panel.
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    Hot link image from the owner? It is more serious than copying because you are not even steal the images but also their bandwidth. If you really want that image that bad, go and contact the owner for permission. But, I doubt that the owner will prevent hot linking from their site, too. Weird question though!
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  • Profile picture of the author howtogurus
    Stealing is always illegal. No matter what. Besides that, it isn't if the image is on your server or not. The legal question is if you are Using the image with or without permission, not where it is sitting. The only sites that can safely do that are News, Education, Review, and similar sites. And those sites will usually add a link with copyright notice back to the site the image came from. Best bet is to find images on Free Image sites (do a Google search), or just break down and pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamuelCarter
    Hey,

    Just better to go and find royalty free images, or you can pay for these. Always do things the honest way, No shortcuts

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    • Profile picture of the author NatesMarketing
      If you have to ask...it's probably wrong.

      The best thing you can do is ask the site owner if you can use their image on your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Being in IM since 2009 and still this "illiterate"?

    It is double stealing, man! You are stealing the image AND bandwidth.

    Years ago when I caught a few mentally challenged individuals doing this... I always replaced the original image with a big hairy a$$. I hope they had fun
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    • Profile picture of the author DJL
      Yes, and label it "The Brains Behind Our Operation."
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      ... I always replaced the original image with a big hairy a$$....
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Years ago when I caught a few mentally challenged individuals doing this... I always replaced the original image with a big hairy a$$. I hope they had fun

      I always replaced the images with a watermarked image that had my domain name URL in the image.

      It said, "For this information in its original format, visit Domain.com".
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      • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
        Personally from time to time I use google, except I upload the photo to my server if it doesn't say copyright or anything like that, especially for simple pics like traffic, blogging pics, happy people, things like that - never had a problem with it, just don't use their actual picture URL .jpg and bandwidth
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        • Profile picture of the author WillR
          Originally Posted by TerranceCharles View Post

          Personally from time to time I use google, except I upload the photo to my server if it doesn't say copyright or anything like that, especially for simple pics like traffic, blogging pics, happy people, things like that - never had a problem with it, just don't use their actual picture URL .jpg and bandwidth
          You're joking right?

          An image doesn't have to say copyright. You are not allowed to upload or use anyone's images unless you have been given permission to do so.

          Images, text, all that stuff is copyright the moment it's created. You have no right to use other people's stuff and in doing so you are breaking the law.

          What you are doing is much worse than hot linking and just illegal.
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          • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            You're joking right?

            An image doesn't have to say copyright. You are not allowed to upload or use anyone's images unless you have been given permission to do so.

            Images, text, all that stuff is copyright the moment it's created. You have no right to use other people's stuff and in doing so you are breaking the law.

            What you are doing is much worse than hot linking and just illegal.
            I understand your point, but I don't mean just using someones screenshot etc - I mean really basic pictures that are already free to use on other sites that ended up in google images that you see all over. I'm very selective, and I've never used a copyrighted pic, which I would ask permission if that was the case. But, I've never had anyone ever contact or complain
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    • Profile picture of the author tsx
      I am not sure that is a bad thing for the webmaster. You can get some nice links, and if you watermark your photos you get traffic and recognition too.

      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Being in IM since 2009 and still this "illiterate"?

      It is double stealing, man! You are stealing the image AND bandwidth.

      Years ago when I caught a few mentally challenged individuals doing this... I always replaced the original image with a big hairy a$$. I hope they had fun
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by orpaz191 View Post

    Hey.
    I know it's sound like a weird question, but I just want to know. If I see images I want to put on my site, is this OK if I post the this way:
    instead of uploading them to my server, I will write this code:
    <img src="http://www.originalwebsite.com/image.jpg">

    (when originalwebsite.com is the site I want to take pictures from)

    since it's not on my server, it is not considered to be stealing right?
    That is called hotlinking and it is stealing bandwidth from the person you are doing it to. I've seen people switch the photo that people hotlink to something really nasty that you wouldn't want on your blog, and I just laugh. Serves them right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      That is called hotlinking and it is stealing bandwidth from the person you are doing it to. I've seen people switch the photo that people hotlink to something really nasty that you wouldn't want on your blog, and I just laugh. Serves them right.
      Any affiliates who hotlink my graphics instead of hosting them on their own servers, other than banners which I allow. If I catch them, they get a nice image replacement.

      I warn them ahead of time NOT to hotlink my salespages, which is super common now with affiliates on the WSO forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author JDSalinger
        OP, you don't have to do anything illegal. Just go to flickr and find pictures that the author allows to be placed on your site. Generally, all that is needed is that you provide a link back to flickr to give credit to the author. This is a good deal for the author because they get a backlink and its a good deal for you because you can get some great pictures for free. Here, is a link to where you can read more about what pictures you can get access to on flickr:

        Flickr: Creative Commons
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  • Profile picture of the author CindyPink
    why dont you try to have your own image? i think it is not hard to do. and your conscience is clear and you dont have to step on anyone to achieve something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler S
    I would just ask the site where they got the image, and go buy it. Most sites don't mind sharing this type of information.
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  • Profile picture of the author ajrocks
    That's called being a bandwidth vampire. It isn't cool; don't take a free ride on some else’s work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
    Originally Posted by orpaz191 View Post

    Hey.
    I know it's sound like a weird question, but I just want to know. If I see images I want to put on my site, is this OK if I post the this way:
    instead of uploading them to my server, I will write this code:
    <img src="http://www.originalwebsite.com/image.jpg">

    (when originalwebsite.com is the site I want to take pictures from)

    since it's not on my server, it is not considered to be stealing right?
    It's still stealing: you are stealing bandwith, which costs money to the person you're stealing from.

    I once had a thief hotlink images from my blog. I asked him to stop it and remove the images, but he didn't follow suit. What I did is I put new images to replace those but also changed the image files he was hotlinking to to scenes of two men having anal hard sex (proper bad images). Then, I contacted Google Adsense about porn on his Adsense site, and his Adsense account was banned hohoho

    He learnt not to steal from me and others the hard way. So there, don't steal images; you never know you may be actually stealing from my websites and you will be in for a good time
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Uhhh, it's just a file on a public accessible server. Anyone can link to the graphic file, just like anyone can link to an html file. You point a link to the file and someone's web browser requests the file directly from the server. What the server returns is up to the person controlling the website. The image does not necessarily appear on or pass through your website.

    Why would you automatically assume this is copyright infringement?

    Why would someone say this is bandwidth theft? Don't you put files on your website to be accessed by others?

    No legal opinion here as there are a number of copyright issues and a different way to present the link, but I think those assuming obvious infringement might be surprised at court rulings on the issue.

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    • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Uhhh, it's just a file on a public accessible server. Anyone can link to the graphic file, just like anyone can link to an html file. You point a link to the file and someone's web browser requests the file directly from the server. What the server returns is up to the person controlling the website. The image does not necessarily appear on or pass through your website.

      Why would you automatically assume this is copyright infringement?

      Why would someone say this is bandwidth theft? Don't you put files on your website to be accessed by others?

      No legal opinion here as there are a number of copyright issues and a different way to present the link, but I think those assuming obvious infringement might be surprised at court rulings on the issue.

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      It is bandwidth theft as every time the page with the hotlinked image is loaded, the website makes a call on the victim's webpage server. Now, image that occurring anywhere from 10 to 1000 times a day (as the case of forums where only way to post images is by hotlinking). Server overload anyone?
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      • Profile picture of the author Bri777
        It's nothing if the website owner has unlimited bandwidth active on the server.

        However saving it and uploading it to your server is good practice.

        We all feel like we own the internet don't we?

        It's like food, especially for warriors.

        can't live without it
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Uhhh, it's just a file on a public accessible server. Anyone can link to the graphic file, just like anyone can link to an html file. You point a link to the file and someone's web browser requests the file directly from the server. What the server returns is up to the person controlling the website. The image does not necessarily appear on or pass through your website.
      Linking to and embedding/using on your own site are two very different things.

      Yes, you can link to someone's image. Heck, look at Google images, that's all it is.

      As for embedding other people's images into your site, nope, no way unless they have given you permission to do so such as an affiliate letting you hotlink certain banners, etc.

      Can you imagine the state of the Internet if that were allowed. Why would picture agencies pay a ton of money to secure images if they could just embed the images from other sites. Why would stock photo image sites exist if this were allowed.

      By embedding someone's image on your site you are giving people who visit your website the false impression that you own that image, and you do not. You are potentially profiting from someone else's work.

      Is it ok if I steal my neighbors telephone and use it... so long as I leave it plugged into their telephone line?
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    "is there a legal way to steal..."

    You should have realized what you were asking and not even posted this thread right there!



    Ha ha, just struck me as funny.
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    You'll be a great victim if the owners give back with the the Sh*******t images. You will be ashame.
    Back to my question -> "Is there any legal way to do illegal stuff?"
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    Here are two ways to get images for your blog or for whatever:

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  • Profile picture of the author longblog
    LOL, I had someone steal a bunch of content from my website once for their auto blog. They basically just imported all of my articles and didn't even have the courtesy to provide a trackback. I contacted the blog owner and he was less than polite, but he did promise to take them down. About 6 months later I was looking through my analytics and noticed a portion of my bandwidth was being consumed by his website, so I went there to check it out and found out he still had several of my articles on his site, including hotlinked pictures.

    Seeing as how I had already contacted him and he didn't do what he said he would, I did the next best thing. Be aware the articles were on the subject of gourmet cooking. I swapped out all the images to an animated flashing gif that alternated two lines of text. The first line said "I like Poopy!" the second said "Poopy in my mouth!" I still crack up when I think about that story.

    TLDR: It's not a good idea, and it's not a good way to make friends in the blogosphere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    Not a good idea. Ask permission or forget the idea. Taking images that are on the net are not free are not yuors to use. Taking someones image could result in charges being laid.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrJonny
    Originally Posted by orpaz191 View Post

    Hey.
    I know it's sound like a weird question, but I just want to know. If I see images I want to put on my site, is this OK if I post the this way:
    instead of uploading them to my server, I will write this code:
    <img src="http://www.originalwebsite.com/image.jpg">

    (when originalwebsite.com is the site I want to take pictures from)

    since it's not on my server, it is not considered to be stealing right?
    No, it is not legal and may get you into trouble. Try Flickr and filter under commercial licenses. Some of the pictures can be used according to their terms.

    There are also many sites that offer free images for download. Here is a great list of them:
    Top 12 Free Image Sites | CashJournals of DylanC
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    It would suck if the images you started hotlinking were either replaced or taken down....

    There's no point in hotlinking when sites like photobucket and imageshack exist.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      This is NOT theft.

      HTML and the internet allows hotlinking. All you're doing is creating an instruction to display part of another page from elsewhere.

      The download takes place between the third parties and doesn't involve you.

      If a lot more b/w is consumed then its discourteous, but its hardly "theft" :rolleyes:




      Some of you ought to apologise to the OP.
      What are you talking about? Of course it is theft, it is bandwidth theft. It may not violate copyright but hotlinking steals bandwidth, unfortunately we cannot do much against people who think like the OP, other than limit hotlinking which doesn't always work and carries its share of disadvantages.


      Originally Posted by rmolina88 View Post

      It would suck if the images you started hotlinking were either replaced or taken down....

      There's no point in hotlinking when sites like photobucket and imageshack exist.
      You can still get done by photobucket. Not sure about imageshack.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
        Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

        Underline it all you want, there is no theft here.

        Someone puts images out on a server for the entire world to see.

        Someone else writes a page that includes an instruction to directly load said public picture to someone's browser.

        There is no theft involved.

        Bandwidth use may go up.

        To call it "bandwidth theft", you need to define exactly what that is. Right now it's just a term you made up that is otherwise meaningless. Someone who hotlinks an image is not stealing bandwidth.

        To all those here calling this "theft", define what is being thieved and between which parties?

        Just because the consequences of such an action lead to increased bandwidth use does not make it "theft".
        Wut?

        Someone puts images out on a server for the entire world to see.
        That someone puts that image for the world to see in his website or anywhere that he allows, for it is his image.

        Here, go check the definition of the verb "steal"
        Steal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

        to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully

        My mind is blown as to how you don't see hotlinking as bandwidth theft. It's my image, in my server, and you are using it for your benefit while making use of my resources without permission, resources that are allocated for my sole benefit and which you are taking from me so as to not have to incur their expense.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
          Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post




          Without permission? You have placed an image on a public server and by default are allowing others to load it up, on their own browsers or those of others. You have given permission. If you disagree, where are you saying that specific people can view but others cannot?

          "Taking from me" - nobody is taking anything from you. Did your bandwidth allowance in cpanel decrease?


          I think you need to understand the finer points of the server-client relationship and how HTML works. People here don't like the idea of hotlinking but it's as fundamental to the way the internet works as a link is. Remember the outcry when BT (formerly British Telecom) tried to patent the hyperlink?
          The issue is that the image you claim is in a "public" server is actually rented by me, thus it is a private server, not public. The image belongs to to me and by contract to the webhoster, so permission must be asked before hotlinking images. When someone opens an image on a website that has the image hotlinked, there is an increase in bandwidth usage from the person who has the image in the server.

          Essentially, a hotlinker is avoiding hosting the image himself so his bandwidth usage is reduced at the expense of the "sucker". It is stealing because the thief hasn't asked for permission and is using the sucker's resources. I don't care that people can see that image because I have permitted that image to be seen in my website; I've told the webhost that this is MY image so I have permitted it to be seen in my site, not someone else's. When you sign up for webhosting, you have to stipulate what the website will be, so you are right there allowing image use to that particular website.

          I truly don't understand what you are getting at. Sure, there is no copyright infringement by hotlinking, which was the original question, but there is bandwidth stealing. I'm telling you because I enquired Hostgator about this particular issue as a popular forum hotlinked 3 images of mine. The thread where my images where at had about 500 reloads every day (that's 1500 reloads) from that site. Hostgator told me that they were using my bandwidth and to either contact the forum, remove hotlinking or remove the image.

          Really, unless you're trolling, I don't see your point.
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          • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
            Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

            I'm referring to the nature of the service, not the ownership.



            Wrong. This is simply not true. Show me the section of law that says this.

            Hotlinking is not violation of copyright law.

            Your server has been bought by you to serve files on request. Hotlinking makes someone's browser request files and they are served.

            At the moment, you serve files to whoever wants them. You don't even make hotlinkers ask for permission. You give them the files, no questions asked.




            As mentioned, you are not even asking the hotlinker or the reader of the page for permission. By default, you have given permission to anyone who wants your files as all they need do is request them and, BANG, they get them.




            Wrong. You've permitted anyone to view those images, regardless of whether they appear in-line on your site, on their own, or within someone else's site.




            How can it be stealing if you let anyone get your files? This is the way all web servers are by default.




            I'm not trolling at all. The point is to see hotlinking for what it is. It is NOT theft. It's part of the amazing versatility of HTML: to be able to instruct a browser to show mixed media, static and dynamic, from various sources. It certainly isn't "theft" of any kind at all.

            And if I can educate at least one person on how web sites actually work, the client-server relationship, believe me that will hold them in good stead in their IM career. Understanding this is extremely useful.
            You keep going on about copyright, stop it dude; we've cleared that hotlinking doesn't infringe copyright.

            When you hotlink an image from me on your site and someone visits the page with the image, you are using my bandwidth. Thus, if you haven't asked me for permission first to use my bandwidth, you are stealing it. Read again the definition of "steal". Just because you can hotlink any image you want, it doesn't mean that you aren't stealing.

            It's as simple as you are using my resources without permission, hence you are stealing. I posted the image on my server to be seen by anyone through my authorized means. The image is mine and wherever I post it, it thus belong there. Any bandwidth use for the image must be performed on my site, not other sites (i.e. the hotlinking ones) because the bandwidth used for the image belongs to the server that I've contracted and which I have authorized.

            Answer this: "when you hotlink an image from someone, are you using their contracted resources in any form/manner" Yes or no.

            Answer this: "if you take advantage of someone's resources without permission so as to avoid incurring the costs that would be implied by you contracting those same resources, are you "stealing"? Yes or no.

            I'm aware you are trying to play devil's advocate so as to sound like the smart guy in the forum and promote your signature, so I'm expecting you to go around in circles as you're doing with the copyright issue. However, answer those 2 questions please.
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      • Profile picture of the author theimdude
        Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

        Underline it all you want, there is no theft here.

        Someone puts images out on a server for the entire world to see.

        Someone else writes a page that includes an instruction to directly load said public picture to someone's browser.

        There is no theft involved.

        Bandwidth use may go up.

        To call it "bandwidth theft", you need to define exactly what that is. Right now it's just a term you made up that is otherwise meaningless. Someone who hotlinks an image is not stealing bandwidth.

        To all those here calling this "theft", define what is being thieved and between which parties?

        Just because the consequences of such an action lead to increased bandwidth use does not make it "theft".
        Chris you the only one that is taking and making sense as everybody that say it is theft don't know what they talking about.

        hotlinking is not theft as if you allow it then it is your problem. As for hotlinking pics is not wise as the person hosting it could use it to there advantage.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    Originally Posted by orpaz191 View Post

    Hey.
    I know it's sound like a weird question, but I just want to know. If I see images I want to put on my site, is this OK if I post the this way:
    instead of uploading them to my server, I will write this code:
    <img src="http://www.originalwebsite.com/image.jpg">

    (when originalwebsite.com is the site I want to take pictures from)

    since it's not on my server, it is not considered to be stealing right?
    It's people like you that make people hate people like you.

    Legally stealing? Really??????

    Think about how you would like it if someone started siphoning off your bandwidth.

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert T Jillie
    Dude, you're kidding me right?

    That's called hotlinking and it is generally considered theft.

    Each and every time someone looks at a web page, their browser has to call up the site where the image is hosted and and request the file and this uses bandwidth from the original website.

    I don't know why you would want to hotlink to someone else's image in the first place.

    In 2007, John McCain's Myspace page used hotlinked images without permission.

    Because he was running for president, you can be sure that you some serious bandwidth !
    The original graphics' owner fought back by replacing one with an embarrassing and amusing image.
    You can read the article here

    The owner of the graphic you are hotlinking to can easily replace it with something that can seriously affect your website in a negative way.

    Even if you weren't infringing upon someone's copyright, and you would be by hotlinking without permission, you are at the very least, stealing bandwidth and since bandwidth costs money. That would make you a thief and as such you could possibly be prosecuted by the graphic owner.

    Consider this, your website is all about children's toys. Find a nice image and you hotlink to it. The owner discovers the hotlink swaps out the image were something rude and lewd that is rated like XXX.

    I'm pretty sure that every visitor that arrive at your site looking to buy toys for their children found that rude, lewd, XXX graphic would be quite upset with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    Legally you cannot use a photo you find on the web with out the photographer's permission.

    Stock photography websites contain thousands of existing photographs that can be licensed for specific uses. A customer who uses stock photography instead of hiring a photographer can save time, effort and money. Typically publishers can either purchase exclusive rights to a single image or they can purchase a subscription of sorts. The subscriptions allow publishers to download a limited number of photos over a specified period of time.

    Stock photo websites allow webmasters, marketers and publishers to locate pictures for their marketing and promotional materials without the hassle of organizing a photo shoot. With copyright laws businesses must be very careful in using unlicensed photos.

    There are also risks to using "free" photographs. Many of the free websites contain collaborative works from multiple photographers and artists. While the websites attempt to monitor the images in their collections in violation of copyright laws, there are no guarantees. If you opt to use photographs or images from a free portal, it is important to keep this in mind.


    My favorite stock photo website is Royalty Free Stock Photos

    Here is where you can find some other inexpensive stock photo directories:

    Royalty Free Photos for Web Design

    Another site list can be found here:
    Microstock Photos

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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Google Images and Bing Image Search must be illegal services. They hotlink all the time!
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    • Profile picture of the author orpaz191
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Google Images and Bing Image Search must be illegal services. They hotlink all the time!
      Agree. they also steal content
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    If you want to stop a hotlinker, change the image to porn.

    Seriously, If your running a Cpanel there's a hotlink protection to block filetypes (png, jpg, bmp, gif, etc...), then allow Google Images.
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  • Profile picture of the author orpaz191
    hhh I was just curious about that.
    and the title was suppose to be funny

    BTW. you can't get these photos anywhere. product photos..
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by orpaz191 View Post

      hhh I was just curious about that.
      and the title was suppose to be funny

      BTW. you can't get these photos anywhere. product photos..
      For 38 posts, I had the theme from the old Rawhide show running in my mind...

      "Trolling, trolling, trolling, keep those posts a flowing..."

      [The post quoted here is #39 as of this posting]

      As for product photos, one of the best ways to get them is to contact the media relations department of the maker. They often have collections of product photos available for use by the media.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMac
    I can tell you that Getty Images comes after people who host any image they own. They come at you with all guns firing. A friend of mine got into trouble when his web designer placed an image on his site she got from a CD she purchased in a discount bin years ago and Getty purchased the rights to years later.

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    You dont want the headache of dealing with a scam outfit like Getty. Buy your images from anyone but Getty or take your own pics.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Funny people say this is image theft and bandwidth theft, when this is exactly what Google, Facebook, Pinterest and many other sites do when sharing photos.

    As Kindsvater says, there are other factors to consider, but simply displaying an image via a link isn't, in and of iteself, illegal or theft.

    Although, for the OP, there are many options for finding free iamges.

    Be aware that many "free images" are only free for non-commercial use.

    Putting those images on a squeeze page, affiliate site or ebook cover could violate the terms of the "free" license and leave you vulnerable to penalties or fees.
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  • Profile picture of the author PBScott
    I have taken down two websites for hot-linking images on my website, you need to fill out a DMCA request and a cease and desist and sent it to the website host, and they are down usually within the day, and will not go back up again until they comply. I keep all my original unworked on images so I always have proof I was first.

    Do not steal images, make your own, nothing worse than me spending multiple hours on an image then some lazy jerk steals it from you. Recently a friend of mine was hot linking images on her blog, the owner of that image replaced it with a redirect to nasty virus and now they are flagged for malware in the search engines.

    On another note people that copy my images and provide a back link to me, I do not mind at all.

    Try putting it on pinterest with a link to their page on pinterest, and then use the pinterest code on your website and you should be fine. That way they get a backlink and there is no unwanted bandwidth theft.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    You basically just asked whether there's a legal way to rob a bank...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Posts like these should be deleted.

    Completely ridiculous.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aspiring Guru
    Look up free domain images. There are many images out there that are available to use on commercial sites at no charge or you could look into Photoshop and some other photo editing/drawing software. I make a lot of my own images for that reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    How To Steal Legally?

    Hmmm!

    Not even sure if that can even be a question? :p

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    P.S. Heck No! You Can't Steal My Image.
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  • Profile picture of the author CrisisCore08
    Is there a legal way to steal anything?
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by CrisisCore08 View Post

      Is there a legal way to steal anything?
      I stole a lollie from my brother's bag, once. He went to his room and left them there...and I just took one! I've had to check in with my mum every Christmas since.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        It took a while, but I finally get Chris's point. I'm not going to get into the "rightness or wrongness" of hotlinking. Let's try another analogy...

        I set up a vending machine and stock it. But I set it up in such a way that people can push the button and get their candy bar without first putting money in the slot. Are people who push the button without paying really stealing, or are they using the machine the way I set it up? It's up to me as the owner of the machine to set it up in such a way that it performs as I desire.

        The analogy isn't perfect, as the candy bar is a physical item which must be replaced at a cost. But the mechanism is the same.

        @robingg14

        You can also spot hotlinking activity in your webstats. Check your referrer stats for image files called by outside referrers.

        @sunray

        I like your idea. I think I'm going to change out the image with the 'stolen content' message for a banner ad...
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  • Profile picture of the author ymest
    The title says it all "legal way" "steal" = no! Just don't do it! Find another way, a legal way!

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Kind of ironic for me that this thread turned up today. Just yesterday I was talking with a lady who has already hired an attorney to sue someone for hotlinking to hundreds of files on her site.

    I don't know how they'll go after the offending party or what the outcome will be, but you need to ask yourself a few questions before hotlinking...

    Do you really want to do something that many people consider scummy and risk being sued?

    Is it worth the potential hassle?

    Is that who you want to be?
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  • Profile picture of the author OkyNet
    <joking>
    Sure, google does this all the time. Please make sure you have a link back to the original site
    </joking>
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  • Profile picture of the author robingg14
    So hey... how can you tell if someone is hotlinking your images? I wouldn't know if someone was stealing from me
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Some people are being deliberately obtuse. Either that, or I'd be very, very careful in my dealings with them.

      There's another name for people who find nothing wrong with taking whatever they want because they want it, without regard to the effect on others.

      Sociopath.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

        I hope you're not talking about me, John.

        I'm not being deliberately obtuse.

        As for the "taking", what is being "taken" here?


        Everyone is shouting theft. But when a crime is suggested, it must be proven. I'm yet to see anyone in this thread prove the crime of theft in hotlinking.

        Again, what is being taken and by whom? Specifically. Saying "bandwidth is being stolen" just won't cut it, I'm afraid. The accusers need to be more specific than this.

        Having a web site is the equivalent
        of setting up wireless internet with an SSID of "free internet resource, please use it". The very concept of internet server-client relationship and HTML has this at its fundamental core. Using a resource is not "theft".

        The internet is an open concept at its core. Sometimes people forget that. The <IMG> tag is flexible for a reason. It was designed that way.
        Chris, I'll admit that I thought you were playing devil's advocate, stirring the pot, but it sounds like you're serious.

        I see having a website as more like setting up a TV show, magazine or other 'product'. It's not a big 'help yourself' sign.

        You're defining the act in a way that supports your argument. So am I.

        By extension, you're saying that by broadcasting the Super Bowl over the public airwaves, anyone with the right knowledge was free to rebroadcast the signal in any way they choose? Regardless of the whole 'no rebroadcast or reproduction without the express written permission' deal?

        If you really believe that anything with an image tag is fair game, set up a site and start hotlinking images from Disney. Start sending traffic to it. Let me know how that turns out.
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    • Profile picture of the author robingg14
      Originally Posted by robingg14 View Post

      So hey... how can you tell if someone is hotlinking your images? I wouldn't know if someone was stealing from me
      Can anyone answer my question? Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Bisturi
        Originally Posted by robingg14 View Post

        Can anyone answer my question? Thanks
        Google "your domain" "jpeg"

        Normally spikes in bandwitdh are also a hint, that's how I found out in my case.

        If you suspect one image being hotlinked, google the full URL of the image.
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  • Profile picture of the author cititoru
    You know you can get people to do an image similar to the one you're after for about $5 on Fiverr. Also, if it's a stock image you can get a similar one from royalty free images websites for about $1 or $2.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Plus, the image may contain an executable script that can do almost anything such as wreck havoc with your browser, personal computer, drop cookies, and more.

    With the FireFox browser "view image info" and look at the links that contain the image in the link. If you see "db64" close the applet and applications. Scan your PC for malware, etc.

    Jeffery 100% :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author sunray
    What Chris is telling reminds me the Internet there once was. Who got online before 2000 or so remembers those personal homepages where the users simply put up the files he or she found somewhere: a midi background music, animated gifs here and there, pictures somebody had scanned and posted on a Usenet group. And nobody even thought about copyright infringement by doing that. In a way the Internet was like another world, separated from the everyday reality. Different rules.

    Everything has changed long ago. The online world is now in no way separate from the regular world where "big guys" and their lawyers rule.

    If you ask me which I liked better, I'd definitely choose the Internet I first saw in 1997. But if the rules are what they are, we have to follow these rules. It's like a card game. We may keep or change the rules, but then we must play by these new rules. No cheating.

    By the way, I have an idea. If you discover somebody has hotlinked your image, why not use it as an opportunity? Let us not change the image into something nasty, let us just print an advertisment on it. We cannot make it clickable, but if the copy is good enough people would type the address.

    EDIT: And, I salute Chris' courage to go against the crowd while remaining true to his principle.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Sleeping with my best friends wife isn't illegal either.

    But would I do it?

    No.

    I don't care what the law says, hotlinking is just wrong.

    It's one of those silly technicalities the law hasn't been able to sort out yet -- but they will.

    There is far too much room for abuse with hot linking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Ke
    Originally Posted by orpaz191 View Post

    Hey.
    I know it's sound like a weird question, but I just want to know. If I see images I want to put on my site, is this OK if I post the this way:
    instead of uploading them to my server, I will write this code:
    <img src="http://www.originalwebsite.com/image.jpg">

    (when originalwebsite.com is the site I want to take pictures from)

    since it's not on my server, it is not considered to be stealing right?
    The best thing to do is to google "free _____ image" that way it's not really stealing. They made it free. Or use stock images to create your own image!
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  • Profile picture of the author jvm127
    I learned not to do this the hard way a long time ago. I once used the exact same code in your original post to steal nice images that were perfect for what I needed. The owner of those images helped me understand why you do not do that. He swapped them out for an image with a middle finger that said, "Don't steal my sh*t" underneath it. I didn't realize this until one of my customers asked me why I was accusing them of stealing from me one day. It made me and my website look like a complete moron and I've never stolen an image again!
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    I mean really basic pictures that are already free to use on other sites that ended up in google images that you see all over.
    Are you serious? What does it mean "ended up in G images" and now - according to you - is free to use. Complete nonsense...

    So, if you find one of my hundreds of online images in Google images, do you think it means you can use it?

    Define "basic picture"!
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    • Profile picture of the author moneygoose
      Hot-linking is not stealing.

      However, it is really stupid to build a site out of hot-linked images for several reasons.

      1) The owner will often change the image as mentioned above

      2) You have no control over the server hosting the image so it could be unavailable at any time and you wouldn't know it.

      3) Web hosting providers generally do not investigate claims of DMCA violations since in doing so they lose their DMCA Safe Harbor status. This means that they will almost always act in self preservation and force you to remove it anyway.

      4) You will piss off the owner of the image and they will possibly drag the name of you or your sites through the mud as often as they can.

      5) You will piss off the owner and they may retaliate against your website in nefarious ways such as DDOS, SPAM your blog comments, SPAM your member sign-up, etc.

      Don't do it because it is a bad idea.

      But hot-linking images is not stealing. It is how the internet was designed to work.
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    • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Are you serious? What does it mean "ended up in G images" and now - according to you - is free to use. Complete nonsense...

      So, if you find one of my hundreds of online images in Google images, do you think it means you can use it?

      Define "basic picture"!
      I'm not arguing the point of wether it's right or not, and I'm not talking about hotlinking someones picture. Free stock pictures that are already free to use that end up indexed in google images. The same free pictures everyone uses. I have a lot of pictures that end up in google images, but they're already free - so if someone uses them, I don't mind, as long as their not hotlinking it directly from my site.
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      • Profile picture of the author AnitaCross
        Okay. I just skipped about half of the posts on this page, as arguments deteriorated...

        It is against the TOS of any and all of MY websites to hotlink my images. Therefore, if you hotlink my images you are in violation of my TOS. That is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

        That doesn't mean I won't sue you, or file a DMCA, or otherwise take action to put a stop to it.

        Google is not hotlinking, at least in the Google Images result pages. Look at the url of any of the images, on the results page. It is being served from a Google url.

        Regardless of the legal standing, whether or not hotlinking in and of itself is illegal, most content owners consider it stealing if you display their work on your site without permission.

        And it is a really stupid thing to do anyway. For one thing, it can seriously hurt your online reputation. For another, many of the content owners would be happy to accommodate you, (probably with you hosting a copy of the image yourself,) if you just ask. And finally, even if you can't get permission, in most cases a similar image can be obtained with permission through some other source.

        In the case of product images, contact the manufacturer. Or if the item is available on Amazon, and you are an Amazon affiliate, you can use their official product images so long as you link back to the product page.

        There will undoubtedly come a time where the law catches up to technology, and at that time, hotlinking without express permission may become illegal. In the meantime, err on the side of courtesy, and do not hotlink images without obtaining permission first.
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  • Profile picture of the author rrm
    Originally Posted by orpaz191 View Post


    since it's not on my server, it is not considered to be stealing right?
    I take your car and park it in my neighbor's driveway. "Since it's not [in] my [driveway], it is not considered to be stealing right?"

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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    If you need an image, you have a few choices:

    1. Display the image on your website with no credit, and hope the original owner never finds it or doesn't care.

    2. Display it with credit, and hope the original owner never finds it or doesn't care.

    3. Hire a digital artist or photographer to make a similar image for you that is unique, so you can own the copyright.

    I have done #3 myself. I needed to put some images into an ebook I was selling, but I didn't have the rights to them. So I hired a digital artist to make reproductions of them that were unique.
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