Opinions On AffiliateBully Clickbank Convert Cookie

by AdamClick

Posted: 12 years ago 20 replies

INTERNET MARKETING

I don't know much about cookie stuffing except it's supposed to be illegal.

However, yesterday I came across Affiliate Covert Cookie Generator. I'm sure someone here is familiar with this as this article has been online for quite some time.

I tested out the method that is used on that site to stuff cookies. When clicking to go straight to the Clickbank order page, he gets the credit for the sale. But then I left his site, clicked on another sellers link to see if he would still receive the credit or if it would be given to the last affiliate link I clicked.

I noticed that the last link was given the credit, so he's not really stealing sales.

So here's my question: Is it okay to stuff cookies in this way since if someone leaves his site and uses someone else's link he won't receive the credit?

I mainly want to use his technique so I can bypass the vendors sales page and link directly to the order form. I have top rankings for a Clickbank product (send over a hundred people daily to this product), but the vendors main page is blocked by certain virus software. It tells visitors that it's a virus site, so I've been losing plenty of sales because most of the people I refer cannot access the product through his site since they receive the virus message.

I spent months to manually rank highly for this product.

The affiliate bully guy has been doing this for a long time and hasn't been banned by Clickbank, so is this way okay? When you visit his site, the cookie is forced on you, then you have to click the link to the order page to buy the product. However, if you leave his site and use another affiliate link, he will not receive any credit.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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PerformanceMan

12 years ago

Is there some reason the vendor can't fix their page?

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AdamClick

12 years ago

I am not sure why his site does this.

I used to get sales out of every 6 or 10 visitors... that is until I started sending lots of traffic.

He changes his landing page multiple times throughout the day. That's when my sales started going down. I went from making a sale from at least every 6 or 10th visitor to now making 1 sale off every 300 to 500th visitor.

The conversion rate has decreased majorly. I don't want to accuse him of anything, but this decrease and the virus warnings doesn't set right with me.

I've contacted him a few times in the past regarding things, but he sends one line responses and most of the time his responses doesn't answer my questions, so I gave up with that.

However, being that I spent hundreds of hours to gain these rankings to rank on the first page of Google for many buying keywords for this product, I don't want to just call it quits.

I think he'd need a new domain which I doubt he'd do all that if he barely wants to answer my questions now.

I've been searching for a solution and this site is the only one that seems it would work. I just needed to know if this is legal being the site owner has had the article up for a long time and hasn't been banned by Clickbank.

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Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Is there some reason the vendor can't fix their page?

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djleon1

12 years ago

I would contact the vendor again and lay out the problem with some data about your visitors. Also - it sounds like you are interested in redirecting traffic to the payment page as opposed to cookie stuffing.

Also your argument about cookie stuffing ignores the fact that you are overwriting the affiliate that had a cookie prior to you stuffing yours.

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Harvey Segal

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AdamClick

I noticed that the last link was given the credit, so he's not really stealing sales.

You can't steal sales from a 'future' affiliate link only from the previous one. I don't see a problem with this method but note that if you want to bypass the sales page you must request permission from the vendor.

An alternative method is to use this link

http://ITEM.AFFILIATE_VENDOR.pay.clickbank.net

(there is an underscore between AFFILIATE and VENDOR)

Disadvantages:

* The normal hoplink takes priority over this link: therefore you will not get commission if your visitor has previously gone through another affiliate's hoplink

* The link does not set a cookie: therefore you will not get commission if your visitor later returns to the site without using that link

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ae2080

12 years ago

Create your own product if the vendor doesn't try and fix anything.

As long as your products is still related you should be able to convert better than 1 out of every 300-500 visitors.

Then you would be getting all the money and avoiding the vendor all together.

Sounds like a win-win to me!

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AdamClick

12 years ago

Thanks for the suggestion. I've tried changing the link to other similar products, but no sales were made.

When I promote Clickbank products, I target that specific product. The traffic I send is looking strictly for that product.

This particular product has been on tv, so that's another reason people are buying it. I also send traffic for buying keywords. These people are in buying mode for this product in particular.

Thanks man.

Originally Posted by ae2080

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AdamClick

12 years ago

Thanks man. I guess there's nothing I can do then. I was familiar with the link you wrote below, but as you said, that type of link isn't too good.

When using a link in that form, your affiliate name disappears when the user hits the refresh button or clicks on a pay method. It shows up initially,but it disappears when they make a payment. That's why I was hoping to do it the way affiliatebully does it... that's the only way I've seen that keeps the affiliate name.

I doubt the vendor would give permission, because it's either the vendor or Clickbank that is taking my sales.

When I used to send 10 people, I was credited a sale and would have at least 5 impressions. As I stated before, now I can barely get a sale off 500 visitors. Evenmore funnier is the fact that I'll send 100s of visitors daily to this product, but my account will show ZERO impressions 98% of the time.

I'm only promoting 3 other products at the moment. Oddly, my conversions for those products are great. 1 sale per 8 visitors. Every since this vendor has started redirecting his landing pages multiple times daily, my sales have went to hell.

Seems like only the first referral shows, then my traffic is redirected to another link. I guess there's nothing I can do, but thanks anyway.

Originally Posted by Harvey Segal

You can't steal sales from a 'future' affiliate link only from the previous one. I don't see a problem with this method but note that if you want to bypass the sales page you must request permission from the vendor.

An alternative method is to use this link

http://ITEM.AFFILIATE_VENDOR.pay.clickbank.net

(there is an underscore between AFFILIATE and VENDOR)

Disadvantages:

* The normal hoplink takes priority over this link: therefore you will not get commission if your visitor has previously gone through another affiliate’s hoplink

* The link does not set a cookie: therefore you will not get commission if your visitor later returns to the site without using that link

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Jesus Perez

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AdamClick

Create your own competing product. Push him completely out of the equation and then you can control the entire process and generate your own sales.

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SunilTanna

12 years ago

Harvey, yours is the correct way to do it.

His method has the problem of dropping a cookie even if the visitor never clicks thru to the merchant/order-page. In that case , his method is "cookie stuffing", which in a lot (most ?) affiliate programs is against the rules - I'm not sure if click bank allows it or not in their tos.

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AdamClick

12 years ago

Thanks man.

Originally Posted by SunilTanna

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SunilTanna

A clickbank employee or owner is registered here and said in the past that it is NOT allowed!

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SunilTanna

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

A clickbank employee or owner is registered here and said in the past that it is NOT allowed!

Steve

Well that answers he question then... Don't use that method.

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Internet_Corporation

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SunilTanna

Well that answers he question then... Don't use that method.

Interesting thread, but how does your affiliate landing page product set the affiliate cookie Sunol? Surely it must employ some form of cookie stuffing or is there a 100% legal way of doing this?

Incidentily, I am not questioning the validiy of your product just intrigued to know how the cookie is set.

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SunilTanna

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Internet_Corporation

Cookie stuffing is when an affiliate sets the cookie when a visitor merely views the affiliate's page, regardless of whether or not the visitor clicks thru to the merchant.

The non stuffing method is the cookie is only set when the visitor actually clicks thru to the merchant's site.

My affiliate landing page product , cbmultilink, is for click bank vendors (merchants) who want to offer their affiliates a choice of landing pages, such as product-specific links.s The affiliate simply links to the vendor's site or hop link, there's no stuffing involved - cookies are only set if a visitor actually clicks an affiliate link.

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drewfioravanti

12 years ago

So wait...the vendor is dropping your affiliate link from the order process and therefore you are not getting credit for the sales?

That is super shady!

Please let me know if this is the case because I do a lot of work with this vendor...both affiliate promotions and product buying.

I thought he was genuine. I'd be pissed to learn otherwise.

I did notice a virus warning earlier when I visited one of his pages...

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AdamClick

12 years ago

Hey, sorry it took so long for me to reply back to ya and for any misunderstandings on my behalf.

I'm not sure which vendor you are referring to, because I didn't name the product that I am promoting. Whoever you are promoting might be honest. I don't think we are speaking about the same vendor/product.

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drewfioravanti

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AdamClick

I thought you meant the vendor for affiliatebully was forcing their cookie to replace affiliate cookies on the checkout page.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AdamClick

I mainly want to use his technique so I can bypass the vendors sales page and link directly to the order form.

BULL. You can simply go to the order page. So what is the difference? uing the cookie technique, you take credit from ANOTHER!

I have top rankings for a Clickbank product (send over a hundred people daily to this product), but the vendors main page is blocked by certain virus software. It tells visitors that it's a virus site, so I've been losing plenty of sales because most of the people I refer cannot access the product through his site since they receive the virus message.

I spent months to manually rank highly for this product.

Maybe the PRODUCT is tainted ALSO.

The affiliate bully guy has been doing this for a long time and hasn't been banned by Clickbank, so is this way okay? When you visit his site, the cookie is forced on you, then you have to click the link to the order page to buy the product. However, if you leave his site and use another affiliate link, he will not receive any credit.

Thanks for any suggestions.

OF COURSE he won't get the credit THEN. YOU supercede HIS. *****SO WHAT*****! The PROBLEM is that when he stuffs cookies, he supercedes the previous referrers.

Steve

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AdamClick

12 years ago

I didn't quite understand some of what you wrote as it had nothing to do with my questions.

You mentioned something about merchants. :confused:

As I stated in my first message, I don't know much about cookie stuffing. I thought cookie stuffing was forcing a cookie on someone's computer AND making that cookie stick.

For example: Chris stuffs a cookie on Linda's computer. Linda later decides to buy through Jeff's link, but Chris still gets the credit because he had some sort of cookie stuffing code that overrides everyone else's code.

Now, from what everyone has said, I have a better understanding of cookie stuffing.

Lastly, I assume you were asking me how do I get to this product order page if other's that I refer cannot. If that was your question, the only way I can get to the order page is by disabling my virus software.

When my virus software is enabled, I cannot view the order page for this product. While some people I refer don't mind disabling their virus software, others find it fishy.

Originally Posted by seasoned

Last I checked, clickban did ****NOT**** place a cookie for clickbank! They placed a cookie for clickbank MERCHANTS! A VERY significant difference.

So if you go to an affiliate that recommends merchants 2 and 4, merchants 1,3,5.... will NOT be changed.

So here's my question: Is it okay to stuff cookies in this way since if someone leaves his site and uses someone else's link he won't receive the credit?

BULL. You can simply go to the order page. So what is the difference? uing the cookie technique, you take credit from ANOTHER!

Maybe the PRODUCT is tainted ALSO.

OF COURSE he won't get the credit THEN. YOU supercede HIS. *****SO WHAT*****! The PROBLEM is that when he stuffs cookies, he supercedes the previous referrers.

Steve

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.X.

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AdamClick

For example: Chris stuffs a cookie on Linda's computer. Linda later decides to buy through Jeff's link, but Chris still gets the credit because he had some sort of cookie stuffing code that overrides everyone else's code.

This isn't possible - it's a dream to make a
cookie "teflon" but if another affiliate comes
along they get the credit and usually should.

I have a perspective on rules that holds true
most of the time - rules are in place as a
safeguard against worst-case scenarios.

What most people don't know about Clickbank
is that they consider all buying customers to
be THEIR customers - they are resellers of the
merchant's product.

Since Clickbank gets paid either way they
really don't care unless someone complains,
and then they'll do whatever serves CLICKBANK.

I speak from a long list of firsthand experiences
with Clickbank and for the most part they don't
care about cookie stuffing unless someone
complains and they have to do something about
it - then rules kick in.

You can set your link up to drop the cookie
when a link is clicked (see my software), direct
linking to the order page. Your cookie will be
set and not disappear like it does with the code
Harvey kindly supplied.

Some Clickbank merchants backend/upsell with
another product using another CB account -
personally I think you should get paid for that
too so my software would also allow for that
second cookied link.

Or you can cookie all visitors to your page, for
that product, and personally I can make an
argument for that practice but I won't.

If you're smart, you set up your own conversion
process, get it rolling with someone else doing
the product creation and support . . . and then
if you want you can plug your product in later.

Personally I think you need to assume as much
control of your business as you can.

Bottom line - there are legit ways of doing things
and there are illegit ways and as long as you can
make a strong case for improving sales only the
truly dumb will still complain - and that's when you
know it's time for your own product.

All the best to you - X

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