Where to get newbie traffic?

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks

If I knew I definately would not tell you.

YOU SCARE ME!!

Hope you never find them

Snake oil salesman comes to mind... trying to sell them information on something that it appears that you yourself appear to know next to nothing about.

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theaccountant 10 years ago

Ok they are crawling all over the place right here in this very forum!! 24/7 365 days a year

You mean that you couldn't figure that out?

I thought you were a pro IMer?
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- Vince1990 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by theaccountant
  
  Ok they are crawling all over the place right here in this very forum!!
  
  You mean that you couldn't figure that out?
  
  I thought you were a pro IMer?
  
  If they are on the Warrior Forum they are not newbies lol. I didn't find out
  about the Warrior Forum until I was one year into Internet Marketing.
  
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- darkonetoo 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by theaccountant
  
  Ok they are crawling all over the place right here in this very forum!!
  
  You mean that you couldn't figure that out?
  
  I thought you were a pro IMer?
  
  10-4 on that.
  
  This site is Newbie Central.
  
  I don't think there is a better place for newbies to find out the realities of online business than here.
  
  You can be treated very well AND very badly, which is the reality in the world.
  
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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by theaccountant

If I knew I definately would not tell you.

YOU SCARE ME!!

Hope you never find them

Snake oil salesman comes to mind... trying to sell them information on something that it appears that you yourself appear to know next to nothing about.

Why? Whats wrong with promoting info products to people who are looking
to make an income from home. Informative customers are known to be serial
refunders who don't even give the product a fair try.

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MikeTucker

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks

Think about your question for just a moment. When someone realizes
there is a billion people online and wants to try to tap into that number
to make money, what is the first thing they do so that they can learn how?

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Think about your question for just a moment. When someone realizes
there is a billion people online and wants to try to tap into that number
to make money, what is the first thing they do so that they can learn how?

I'm trying to avoid Google and SEO all together.

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MikeTucker 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I'm trying to avoid Google and SEO all together.

Yeah, I would probably be the last person on this forum
to ever advise you to use SEO!!

Instead look at the top ranking sites and the advice
they offer-- the places they direct their visitors to.
Fortune, eHow, whatever they are (don't know these days).
Most of them have a "Top 10 Ways" or "7 Weird Ways
to make money" ranked pretty high, and in the generic
articles they refer people to everything from PTC sites
to Etsy... and of course those original sites depend on
ad revenue, so check whose advertising is popping up
there and you will find more places that "newbies"
are first going.

They usually end up on someone's list shortly after
that, and then in several more after the first waves
of Solo Ads. Soon they are in Safelists and forums
and by the time they find a beginner/intermediate
place like the Warrior Forum, they are frustrated
and usually poorer than when they started.
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Vince1990

10 years ago

I'm currently promoting the Bring The Fresh program which gets great reviews from internet marketers and no one is buying from the traffic I've been getting.

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theaccountant 10 years ago

then you are not a pro IMer

Neither am I but I don't pretend I am
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- Vince1990 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by theaccountant
  
  then you are not a pro IMer
  
  Neither am I but I don't pretend I am
  
  I used to make a couple hundred weekly from video marketing but back then I was a newbie and was just sending my traffic to a sales page and wasn't building a list. Now my traffic source doesn't work anymore cause more than half are
  viewing my videos from a mobile phone.
  
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SamuelCarter

10 years ago

Hey,

One of the best ways, just make your own list. You create ideally create an information product which is targeted to Newbies in internet marketing.

You could easily make a book, or have this outsourced and offer for free to newbies or sell and make money whilst making the list

Samuel

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by SamuelCarter

Hey,

One of the best ways, just make your own list. You create ideally create an information product which is targeted to Newbies in internet marketing.

You could easily make a book, or have this outsourced and offer for free to newbies or sell and make money whilst making the list

Samuel

Been there done that. I've sent them to an OTO, gave them something for free
with tremendous value and nobody is serious to take action and invest.
I'm just tired of spending money into advertising only to get the tire kickers.

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jimvol

10 years ago

Make a Facebook page..
Use Facebook paid ads to get people to your page
provide good info and interaction
entice people with "a project you are working on"
Then promote your website with your page.
Facebook ads are cheaper to promote pages. If people like your page and follow the funnel from your site, chances are you are going to get quality traffic.

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by jimvol

Make a Facebook page..
Use Facebook paid ads to get people to your page
provide good info and interaction
entice people with "a project you are working on"
Then promote your website with your page.
Facebook ads are cheaper to promote pages. If people like your page and follow the funnel from your site, chances are you are going to get quality traffic.

Rooting for ya!

Jeremiah

Have a Facebook fan page but never thought of advertising my fan page with
Facebook ads. Thanks

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easyincomeguide

10 years ago

Originally Posted by jimvol

Make a Facebook page..
Use Facebook paid ads to get people to your page
provide good info and interaction
entice people with "a project you are working on"
Then promote your website with your page.
Facebook ads are cheaper to promote pages. If people like your page and follow the funnel from your site, chances are you are going to get quality traffic.

Rooting for ya!

Jeremiah

I appriciate your idea . thanks for your valuable advice. I think its beneficial for lots of newbie. .............thanks.

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theaccountant

10 years ago

My friend the big issue in online selling bar none is getting targeted traffic and loads of it and sustaining it. You buy it or you can organically grow it , there is no one magic solution for every one.

If the answer were so freely available to everyone in this no so secret forum. We would all be multi millonaires and the membership fee would be in the hundreds of thousands every year ,.

The law of business is that the cream and the lucky rise to the top while every one else scratch their heads and try to feed off the crumbs.

Traffic .. no easy answer .. except if you have the money buy it!!

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by theaccountant

My friend the big issue in online selling bar none is getting targeted traffic and loads of it and sustaining it. You buy it or you can organically grow it , there is no one magic solution for every one.

If the answer were so freely available to everyone in this no so secret forum. We would all be multi millonaires and the membership fee would be in the hundreds of thousands every year ,.

The law of business is that the cream and the lucky rise to the top while every one else scratch their heads and try to feed off the crumbs.

Traffic .. no easy answer .. except if you have the money buy it!!

That's "the law of business?" :rolleyes:

:p

Traffic is not some mysterious thing that only the
successful understand. It really just isn't.

Just go to places where it is already at and get
some of it for yourself. Do it a lot, and learn
to do it better and better as time goes by.

The end. (Or the beginning, if you prefer!)

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theaccountant

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

That's "the law of business?" :rolleyes:

:p

Traffic is not some mysterious thing that only the
successful understand. It really just isn't.

Just go to places where it is already at and get
some of it for yourself. Do it a lot, and learn
to do it better and better as time goes by.

The end. (Or the beginning, if you prefer!)

Like post WSO?

I a working on 4 non IM niches at the moment .. we are just going to let them grow organically for the longterm. We see them as longterm investments in internet real estate.

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MikeTucker

10 years ago

Originally Posted by theaccountant

Like post WSO?

Sure, why not? A lot of people have built very profitable
lists by posting WSOs... Or other "special offers" on other
sites in other niches.

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theaccountant 10 years ago

why not probaby a very good place to start- captive hungry audience

just remember to throw in a wordpress plugin to automate everything
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Vince1990

10 years ago

I've tried dipping in other niches but have been unsuccessful in the process.
Only real money I've made has been in Internet Marketing but I haven't
mastered how to make consistent sales every day.

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MikeTucker

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

The IM niche is the niche I know the most about though. I dont know what
other niche I would do well in that has a lot of people searching for a solution
to.

Are you completely blind to the world around you? I dare you
to look around at everything you see and find something that
nobody is making money from.

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I've tried dipping in other niches but have been unsuccessful in the process.
Only real money I've made has been in Internet Marketing but I haven't
mastered how to make consistent sales every day.

Don't take this personally, we say this to people every day.
If you're not making money online, then get the Hell out
of the IM/MMO niches!!!

Seriously, how can you possibly think it is okay for you to
teach something you don't know, and can't do yourself?
When newbies come in and get frustrated, you are part
of the problem!

I'm all for testing, really I am-- But there comes a
point where you have to commit.

Stop "dipping" in other niches and dive into one!!
You're not going to make money by testing the water
with your toe. Nor by standing on dry land and
teaching other people to kick and flail their arms around
while you all pretend you can swim.

"Pull the trigger and ride the bullet."
--Roy H. Williams

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Are you completely blind to the world around you? I dare you
to look around at everything you see and find something that
nobody is making money from.

Don't take this personally, we say this to people every day.
If you're not making money online, then get the Hell out
of the IM/MMO niches!!!

Seriously, how can you possibly think it is okay for you to
teach something you don't know, and can't do yourself?
When newbies come in and get frustrated, you are part
of the problem!

I'm all for testing, really I am-- But there comes a
point where you have to commit.

Stop "dipping" in other niches and dive into one!!
You're not going to make money by testing the water
with your toe. Nor by standing on dry land and
teaching other people to kick and flail their arms around
while you all pretend you can swim.

"Pull the trigger and ride the bullet."
--Roy H. Williams

I did commit completely with internet marketing and I wasnt making any money any more with it so I went to the Warrior Forum for help and they
said advertise something targeted to what you have a lot of traffic for. I
did that and wasn't getting any traffic for it. What I did get traffic from
and sales was internet marketing stuff.

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theaccountant

10 years ago

I feel your pain . There other interest that you have that can make money.

play with keyword tools to find niche markets where they are experiencing bad ass pain.

I mean they need a solution and now

What you need is to take a general keyword where the big boys with million to spend dominate and do a key word search

drill down on various keywords to find a niche between 1500 and 20 000 searches a month usually a longtail one.

Put that key word into google search engine and have a look at the competition through seo quake. If you find that those site ranking at the top are just review sites and low page rank sites and that there is decent interest on the right for google adwords ads , then you have a money key word.

Optimise your home pages , forget about meta tags just concentrate on site name short and memorable and about tyour subject matter and concentrate on title and description tages. Don't overdo the keyword density, just writed intelligently about the subject matter.

Then buy a few sites PR2 or 1 at a cheap price ( redo them to make them relevant to your subject matter on your main site) and have them all backlink to your main site.

Then back link the internal pages

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MikeTucker

10 years ago

Originally Posted by theaccountant

I feel your pain . There other interest that you have that can make money.

play with keyword tools to find niche markets where they are experiencing bad ass pain.

I mean they need a solution and now

What you need is to take a general keyword where the big boys with million to spend dominate and do a key word search

drill down on various keywords to find a niche between 1500 and 20 000 searches a month usually a longtail one.

Put that key word into google search engine and have a look at the competition through seo quake. If you find that those site ranking at the top are just review sites and low page rank sites and that there is decent interest on the right for google adwords ads , then you have a money key word.

Optimise your home pages , forget about meta tags just concentrate on siite name short and memorable and about tyour subject matter and concentrate on title and description tages. Don't overdo the keyword density, just writed intelligently about the subject matter.

Then buy a few sites PR2 or 1 at a cheap price ( redo them tomake them relevant to your subject matter on your main site) and have them all backlink to your main site.

Then back lint the internal pages

You need to learn to read more than you post:

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I'm trying to avoid Google and SEO all together.

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theaccountant 10 years ago

fair enough

But I enjoyed that
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Vince1990 10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

You need to learn to read more than you post:

Im reading everything posted. It's mostly stuff I've already heard over the years that doesn't work for me.
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theaccountant

10 years ago

Honestly for a journeyman .. IM is the worst nichce to cut your teeth in. This comming from a top notch business consultant ( me, in case anyone is wondering).

As hot as it is it is so terribly competitive and you are competing against the best of the best in IM.

I WOULDN'T TOUCH IT... not yet anyhow

Cut your losses and try something else .. though u might get lucky ... risky

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by theaccountant

Honestly for a journeyman .. IM is the worst nichce to cut your teeth in. This comming from a top notch business consultant ( me, in case anyone is wondering).

As hot as it is it is so terribly competitive and you are competing against the best of the best in IM.

I WOULDN'T TOUCH IT... not yet anyhow

Cut your losses and try something else .. though u might get lucky ... risky

The IM niche is the niche I know the most about though. I dont know what
other niche I would do well in that has a lot of people searching for a solution
to.

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MikeTucker 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

The IM niche is the niche I know the most about though. I dont know what
other niche I would do well in that has a lot of people searching for a solution
to.

I know it seems like that to a lot of people. Even people
who are not Newbies.

The only reason I can think of that people come to this
conclusion is that they are spending all of their time on
IM forums and blogs and are signed-up in a bunch of MMO
lists...

Seriously, there is an entire Internet out there, folks!!!
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Malcolm Thomas

10 years ago

There are newbies all around you. Just look around. The question is can you offer them a product that can solve a problem.

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jimvol

10 years ago

Mike,

It is so elementary, but so many people MISS THIS!!!!

Everyone is an expert at something.. Really they are.

You have hobbies, interest, dislikes, beliefs, convictions, charities, loves, etc etc.

I tried to make money with MMO... I mean its the hot thing right? Anyway, I failed totally and 100% failed. My wife got into an MLM that she really believes in, she loves the product, and is excited to talk about it. To me, it's just jewelry, but to her its an opportunity.

She made almost $300.00 in her first five days....

She has a hot product... a hot market.. and is kicking my butt compared to what I was making with MMO!!

Find your niche.. exploit it. Make money from it!!!

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MikeTucker

10 years ago

Originally Posted by jimvol

Mike,

It is so elementary, but so many people MISS THIS!!!!

Everyone is an expert at something.. Really they are.

You have hobbies, interest, dislikes, beliefs, convictions, charities, loves, etc etc.

I tried to make money with MMO... I mean its the hot thing right? Anyway, I failed totally and 100% failed. My wife got into an MLM that she really believes in, she loves the product, and is excited to talk about it. To me, it's just jewelry, but to her its an opportunity.

She made almost $300.00 in her first five days....

She has a hot product... a hot market.. and is kicking my butt compared to what I was making with MMO!!

Find your niche.. exploit it. Make money from it!!!

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Precisely! ^^

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by jimvol

Mike,

It is so elementary, but so many people MISS THIS!!!!

Everyone is an expert at something.. Really they are.

You have hobbies, interest, dislikes, beliefs, convictions, charities, loves, etc etc.

I tried to make money with MMO... I mean its the hot thing right? Anyway, I failed totally and 100% failed. My wife got into an MLM that she really believes in, she loves the product, and is excited to talk about it. To me, it's just jewelry, but to her its an opportunity.

She made almost $300.00 in her first five days....

She has a hot product... a hot market.. and is kicking my butt compared to what I was making with MMO!!

Find your niche.. exploit it. Make money from it!!!

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Jeremiah

The hobbies and interest I have never have an affiliate program for. I have
millions of views on youtube videos for hip-hop videos and I dont get clicks
anymore. It doesnt help half of the people are watching the vids on their
cell phones now and dont see my ads.

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theaccountant

10 years ago

You could become a pimp as in pimp my paid traffic

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ThePhantom

10 years ago

It's kinda hilarious when you say that you know more about IM than anything else and yet don't know where to find your target audience?

The most basic thing to get into any niche is to know what and where the audience is ...

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by ThePhantom

It's kinda hilarious when you say that you know more about IM than anything else and yet don't know where to find your target audience?

The most basic thing to get into any niche is to know what and where the audience is ...

I do. Times has changed and what has worked for me in the past doesn't work
anymore so I have to search for targeted traffic sources now. I don't really
trust solo ads, seems too good to be true. My goal is to have my own product
but how can I have my own product if I haven't mastered affilate marketing.
It would be silly to have my own product if I can't even sell high converting
products.

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theaccountant 10 years ago

Do your own product cory rudl taught me that or at least his staff did all those yeas ago . Then you can have your own affiliate program . I made money out of a crude product and crude self written copy 8 years ago believe me those lessons cost 10 grand
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MikeTucker

10 years ago

I hope I'm not coming off as a jerk. I'm really not trying to be...

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I did commit completely with internet marketing and I wasnt making any money any more with it so I went to the Warrior Forum for help and they
said advertise something targeted to what you have a lot of traffic for. I
did that and wasn't getting any traffic for it. What I did get traffic from
and sales was internet marketing stuff.

You need to re-think your definition of "commit completely"
because if you knew what the really meant, you would still
be working in the other niche... Sounds like you probably quit
three feet from gold.

I would like to know two things at this point. First, what was
the niche? And secondly, how is it that you didn't have traffic
for the niche you were working in, but you did somehow have
traffic for "IM stuff"?

Originally Posted by Vince1990

The hobbies and interest I have never have an affiliate program for. I have
millions of views on youtube videos for hip-hop videos and I dont get clicks
anymore. It doesnt help half of the people are watching the vids on their
cell phones now and dont see my ads.

I certainly wouldn't pollute the world with any more hip-hop than
is already in it. But if that's your poison, and their isn't already an
affiliate program, well that sounds like an opportunity to me...

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Im reading everything posted. It's mostly stuff I've already heard over the years that doesn't work for me.

Please note that my comment was not directed at you.
I used your quote to show that someone else had missed
something you posted, and gave you advice you had already
said you didn't want.

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I do. Times has changed and what has worked for me in the past doesn't work
anymore so I have to search for targeted traffic sources now. I don't really
trust solo ads, seems too good to be true. My goal is to have my own product
but how can I have my own product if I haven't mastered affilate marketing.
It would be silly to have my own product if I can't even sell high converting
products.

You have to search for targeted traffic? Have you ever looked
around at the Internet? It's everywhere!!-- Yeah, I wouldn't trust
Solo Ads either, the way most IMers around here talk about them.
(Hint: In other niches, nobody calls them "Solo Ads"

)

And now another one that doesn't make any sense: Why do you think
you can't have your own product if you haven't mastered affiliate marketing?
What, your lack of motivation to get out there and do the work to make
the products of someone else successful, that somehow means you won't
have the motivation to make your own product successful? :confused:

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

I hope I'm not coming off as a jerk. I'm really not trying to be...

You need to re-think your definition of "commit completely"
because if you knew what the really meant, you would still
be working in the other niche... Sounds like you probably quit
three feet from gold.

I would like to know two things at this point. First, what was
the niche? And secondly, how is it that you didn't have traffic
for the niche you were working in, but you did somehow have
traffic for "IM stuff"?

I certainly wouldn't pollute the world with any more hip-hop than
is already in it. But if that's your poison, and their isn't already an
affiliate program, well that sounds like an opportunity to me...

Please note that my comment was not directed at you.
I used your quote to show that someone else had missed
something you posted, and gave you advice you had already
said you didn't want.

You have to search for targeted traffic? Have you ever looked
around at the Internet? It's everywhere!!-- Yeah, I wouldn't trust
Solo Ads either, the way most IMers around here talk about them.
(Hint: In other niches, nobody calls them "Solo Ads"

)

And now another one that doesn't make any sense: Why do you think
you can't have your own product if you haven't mastered affiliate marketing?
What, your lack of motivation to get out there and do the work to make
the products of someone else successful, that somehow means you won't
have the motivation to make your own product successful? :confused:

I was advertising on the same hip-hop videos. I tried advertising a beat making software for a week and i only got about 6 clicks. I tried ringtone offers nothing. But advertise an im product about making money online I'd get a few
hundred clicks easy but none take action anymore. And hip-hop is in. It's so
easy to get viral videos with music videos.

And I don't want to go out and make a product and waste my time promoting
it and investing hundreds of dollars into it not to mention all the money for programs if it wont produce sales for me. Right now I can't afford to make
my own product anyways. I need to make some money in affiliate commission
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I was advertising on the same hip-hop videos. I tried advertising a beat making software for a week and i only got about 6 clicks. I tried ringtone offers nothing.

That was not targeted marketing in any sense of the word.
Those people were watching videos, looking to be entertained.
They were not actively looking for "beat making software".

Originally Posted by Vince1990

But advertise an im product about making money online I'd get a few
hundred clicks easy

You were advertising "make money" to people who watch
hip hop videos?? I hope you didn't expect any buyers there?

Originally Posted by Vince1990

but none take action anymore.

In general, the "make money" niches are all full of broke
people who cannot afford to "take action". Case in point:

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Right now I can't afford to...

...People either literally cannot afford to "take action"
or they are afraid of shooting and missing, then being
completely broke.

Originally Posted by Vince1990

And hip-hop is in. It's so
easy to get viral videos with music videos.

How sad. Well, it can't last forever... Eventually someone
will realize that being able to rhyme about your hormones
is not a real skill. :p

Originally Posted by Vince1990

And I don't want to go out and make a product and waste my time promoting
it and investing hundreds of dollars into it not to mention all the money for programs if it wont produce sales for me. Right now I can't afford to make
my own product anyways. I need to make some money in affiliate commission
then save that then go from there.

...And you thought that trying to sell an affiliate product to people
who are more new to this than you are, that is a good idea?
How many affiliate products did you buy when you first started
in all of this?

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Vince1990 10 years ago

I've made a couple thousand off hip hop videos before.
I bought two products before I started and I made more money
as a newbie than I am now almost 4 years later with more knowledge.
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10 years ago

That was not targeted marketing in any sense of the word.
Those people were watching videos, looking to be entertained.
They were not actively looking for "beat making software".

Jamie Lewis suggested I market beat making software on my videos

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10 years ago

Is newbie traffic like normal traffic?

Same places as normal traffic - Facebook, Twitter, commenting, forums, ppc, web 2.0, pinterest, Google, etc....

No freebie seekers? Well, you will have to filter those people out - the easiest way to do that is to charge people for something. Those that buy aren't freebie seekers!

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by MartinPlatt

Is newbie traffic like normal traffic?

Same places as normal traffic - Facebook, Twitter, commenting, forums, ppc, web 2.0, pinterest, Google, etc....

No freebie seekers? Well, you will have to filter those people out - the easiest way to do that is to charge people for something. Those that buy aren't freebie seekers!

Problem is finding the people that aren't freebie seekers lol, it's so tough.
I've tried flyers, business cards, video marketing, building a list, facebook ads.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I've made a couple thousand off hip hop videos before.
I bought two products before I started and I made more money
as a newbie than I am now almost 4 years later with more knowledge.

1. And yet you "cannot afford" to make your own product?
2. Four years later and minor success does not mean you stop
being a Newbie. What kind of a list did you build during all this time?

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Jamie Lewis suggested I market beat making software on my videos

Don't blame anyone else. Learn a little Marketing 101 yourself,
and take responsibility for your own mistakes, otherwise you can't
take credit for your own achievements, either.

If you want to market beat making software, you have to make your
offer in places where people are looking to buy beat making software.
Anything less is not targeted, qualified traffic.

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Problem is finding the people that aren't freebie seekers lol, it's so tough.
I've tried flyers, business cards, video marketing, building a list, facebook ads.

In the "Newbie Make Money" niches? Yes, I would imagine so...
1. Newbies are almost all broke, which is why they're trying to learn to make money (duh!)
2. Newbies don't realize they have to invest in their business-- They are not seeking
Freebies, they are seeking the shiny magic button "that actually works" (rather than, you know,
stopping the excuses and actually working, themselves!

)

...Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a worse niche to be in.
I'm sure there are some, but they're not coming to mind right now.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

1. And yet you "cannot afford" to make your own product?
2. Four years later and minor success does not mean you stop
being a Newbie. What kind of a list did you build during all this time?

I invested all the money I made into traffic to try to scale my business
and ended up spending all my money because none of the traffic converted.
I didnt have a job at the time so all the money I made was gone.
And I have a list of over 800 people

Don't blame anyone else. Learn a little Marketing 101 yourself,
and take responsibility for your own mistakes, otherwise you can't
take credit for your own achievements, either.

If you want to market beat making software, you have to make your
offer in places where people are looking to buy beat making software.
Anything less is not targeted, qualified traffic.

I'm not blaming anyone, dont assume I'm not taking responsibility.
Im just saying I asked him what I should
promote on my videos and he recommended beat making software.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I invested all the money I made into traffic to try to scale my business
and ended up spending all my money because none of the traffic converted.
I didnt have a job at the time so all the money I made was gone.
And I have a list of over 800 people

Okay, you should be making at least a little bit of money with a
list of 800 people. How are you connecting with them? What are
you offering them?

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I'm not blaming anyone, dont assume I'm not taking responsibility.
Im just saying I asked him what I should
promote on my videos and he recommended beat making software.

Okay... I misunderstood when you made a post naming someone.
Whatever the case, the ultimate point still stands: The reason your
traffic didn't convert with your "beat making software" is that it was
not targeted.

So let's re-focus the conversation: This list of 800 people that you
have right now, what niche is it in? What have you done with them
so far? How often to the reply to you to make comments or ask
questions?

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10 years ago

Okay, you should be making at least a little bit of money with a
list of 800 people. How are you connecting with them? What are
you offering them?

I've made no money with my list. I'm sending them free reports,
an hour long video training teaching various ways to make money
and I promote some offers which receive no sales.

So let's re-focus the conversation: This list of 800 people that you
have right now, what niche is it in? What have you done with them
so far? How often to the reply to you to make comments or ask
questions?

The niche is the make money from home/IM niche.
They don't communicate with me.

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10 years ago

I have alot of success with solo ads. I have used them over the last 3 years and get great results
You can start with a small budget, if funds are limited

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10 years ago

You can use solo ad purchase and then do email adswap to attain more subcribers and then promote the product. Most of the time, you will get newbies from the make money online niche.

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10 years ago

PPC traffic, PPV traffic, Media buys, Video Marketing

You are trying to tap into a very competitive niche - good luck

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Originally Posted by trafficmasters

PPC traffic, PPV traffic, Media buys, Video Marketing

You are trying to tap into a very competitive niche - good luck

But you're in the niche as well.
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks

???

Are you trying to pick people's brains?

If not, YOU should be telling US.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks

There are plenty of advance methods to generate laser targeted traffic but the question is do you have a budget..There is no free laser targeted traffic without hard work. You can jump straight to PPC but that requires some sort of experience.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by whitebread

There are plenty of advance methods to generate laser targeted traffic but the question is do you have a budget..There is no free laser targeted traffic without hard work. You can jump straight to PPC but that requires some sort of experience.

I've tried ppc and have been unsuccessful.

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seobro

10 years ago

Traffic .. no easy answer .. except if you have the money buy it!!

Well, you don't say...

Creating videos and putting them up on you tube is a proven winner.

I get a lot of traffic that way. Google will allow you to post the videos for free on their site and that is not all, you get a portion of the money that they make from ads that are running. I saw a canon 3Ti selling on ebay for $400 yesterday and this is a 1080 full HD pro camera.

The cost of creating videos is near zero. I would pay for some background music. However, you can get some for free from video blocks as well as an intro to your mini movie.

Lighting is easy. Go to home depot and get a work lamp for $29.95 now get going!

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I've made no money with my list. I'm sending them free reports,
an hour long video training teaching various ways to make money
and I promote some offers which receive no sales.

How did you build this list?

Originally Posted by Vince1990

The niche is the make money from home/IM niche.
They don't communicate with me.

NONE of the 800 people communicate with you???
Are they opening your emails at all?

Originally Posted by seobro

Well, you don't say...

Creating videos and putting them up on you tube is a proven winner.

I get a lot of traffic that way. Google will allow you to post the videos for free on their site and that is not all, you get a portion of the money that they make from ads that are running. I saw a canon 3Ti selling on ebay for $400 yesterday and this is a 1080 full HD pro camera.

The cost of creating videos is near zero. I would pay for some background music. However, you can get some for free from video blocks as well as an intro to your mini movie.

Lighting is easy. Go to home depot and get a work lamp for $29.95 now get going!

...You didn't read the thread either, did you?

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Hi, Google PPC and Facebook PPC are very good! Cheers!
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Vince1990

10 years ago

How did you build this list?

How do you think I built it? Through my hip hop videos
of course.

NONE of the 800 people communicate with you???
Are they opening your emails at all?

Barely. I don't get many clicks. The most clicks I ever received
with my list was 30 in a single broadcast.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeffreyjm

Solo ad is a great way of getting traffic. Everyone has an email and most people have it hooked to their phone. They check it often. A good solo ad with the right provider is very effective.

What about digging more into what it is that your market wants. Find that out in more detail, and market TO THAT. That's marketing 101

I've been thinking about this a lot actually. If I want better response
from my email list then I should be sending traffic from people that
are on email lists not from traffic from YouTube because these people
probably don't even open there emails and probably just using Facebook
to communicate and most of my traffic probably doesn't own a credit card.

Originally Posted by MKCookins

You get newbie traffic the same place you get any other traffic...
- forums
- facebook
- twitter
- google
etc etc....

Once they arrive to your squeeze page or blog - give them a free gift that will get them to sign up to your list. Once there over deliver with great value - giving them solutions to problems they need.

After this you then can promote products (better if you buy first) that they can buy. If you have genuinely tried to help solve their problems in the IM niche - they will more then likely be happy to buy what you are offering.

In summary - over deliver great value to solve your prospects needs, then promote products you have tested your self and know 100% that your list will benefit from it.

I've already tried this over and over. Does not work for me. Just a waste of moola.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by MKCookins

You get newbie traffic the same place you get any other traffic...
- forums
- facebook
- twitter
- google
etc etc....

Once they arrive to your squeeze page or blog - give them a free gift that will get them to sign up to your list. Once there over deliver with great value - giving them solutions to problems they need.

After this you then can promote products (better if you buy first) that they can buy. If you have genuinely tried to help solve their problems in the IM niche - they will more then likely be happy to buy what you are offering.

In summary - over deliver great value to solve your prospects needs, then promote products you have tested your self and know 100% that your list will benefit from it.

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I've already tried this over and over. Does not work for me. Just a waste of moola.

Okay Yeah, I'm just going to say what everyone else is thinking.
You need to either change your mindset, or quit IM now and get a job.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Okay Yeah, I'm just going to say what everyone else is thinking.
You need to either change your mindset, or quit IM now and get a job.

I already have a job wise guy.

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Vince1990 10 years ago

I've said this from day 1, mostly my traffic I'm generating is curious traffic and
not desperate traffic and it's mostly from teenagers who don't have a credit
card. I just wished I could generate the YouTube views in another niche
besides music videos.
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Promoting make money online products has worked for me though
with that traffic. Too bad the course I was promoting that converted
with my traffic no longer exists.

Uh-huh. And what was that? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Vince1990

I already have a job wise guy.

I really am trying to be helpful and not be a smart-ass,
but you're making it a little difficult. Here is my last
piece of advice to you:

1. Get out of the IM/MMO market until you can do it yourself.
2. Whatever you choose to market, target the people
that are actually interested in what you actually want
to sell them.
3. Build quality lists.

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Uh-huh. And what was that? :rolleyes:

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

How do you think I built it? Through my hip hop videos
of course.

I try not to jump to the tiny island of Conclusions too often.
It is small, overcrowded, and difficult to get back from.

Originally Posted by Vince1990

Barely. I don't get many clicks. The most clicks I ever received
with my list was 30 in a single broadcast.

Ouch, that's pretty terrible. There are two major things that
could be wrong here:

You're trying to sell them something other than hip hop
"entertainment", or...
Your email headlines are terrible.

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Vince1990

10 years ago

Ouch, that's pretty terrible. There are two major things that
could be wrong here:

You're trying to sell them something other than hip hop
"entertainment", or...
Your email headlines are terrible.

They opted in for making money online lol not
hip-hop entertainment. Reason why I don't get
too many opens I believe is

a.) they are fake emails just to
see whats on the other side
b.) The age demographic doesn't
even use email.

Many people I know in my age group or
younger doesn't use email on a daily basis
to communicate. They use Facebook and
text. Only reason they use email is when
they have to redeem something or signup
for a website.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Vince1990

They opted in for making money online lol not
hip-hop entertainment. Reason why I don't get
too many opens I believe is

a.) they are fake emails just to
see whats on the other side
b.) The age demographic doesn't
even use email.

Many people I know in my age group or
younger doesn't use email on a daily basis
to communicate. They use Facebook and
text. Only reason they use email is when
they have to redeem something or signup
for a website.

Don't you see what you're saying!?
You were promoting "Make Money" info
to people watching hip hop videos.

That just doesn't make any sense.
Once again, the best advice you have
been given in this forum is to learn how
to actually make money online before
you try to teach anyone else how to
do it.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Don't you see what you're saying!?
You were promoting "Make Money" info
to people watching hip hop videos.

That just doesn't make any sense.
Once again, the best advice you have
been given in this forum is to learn how
to actually make money online before
you try to teach anyone else how to
do it.

Promoting make money online products has worked for me though
with that traffic. Too bad the course I was promoting that converted
with my traffic no longer exists.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Albright

I just sent you a PM

Very interesting, with your 48 posts...
Is there no longer a 50 post limit to sending PMs?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Jack Albright

Look man, I don't get paid by anyone for telling you about this, it's a free platform. So if this is your way of maybe trying to make me feel somewhat inferior to you because you have more posts than I do, I'm sorry man but it didn't work.

No, not at all... I meant exactly what I said, at face value,
and there was nothing written between the lines at all.

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Very interesting, with your 48 posts...
Is there no longer a 50 post limit to sending PMs?

Originally Posted by neilrock

What works for some people, doesn't work for others...
Best Of Luck!

There is one thing that always works for everyone.
It works for everyone in every niche, every time:

Send plenty of targeted, qualified traffic to a good offer.

If the OP or anyone else is struggling with this, then
1. He should not be in the IM/MMO niches teaching other people
to run in circles like a chicken with no head.
2. He needs to find out where the breakdown is in his own process
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10 years ago

What works for some people, doesn't work for others... It's all about the mindset... Don't chase the money, let the money come to you... It's all about preferences too.. I prefer video as, they are quick to produce and easy to distribute across the internet but, I also like to write articles or, re-hash PLR when I get a chance...

I too am a newbie into the IM/MMO niche but, it is all about the value that you deliver that really counts and keeps your visitors coming back, not trying to drive traffic to the next "scam" artist who is telling you that you can make $25,000 in 7 mouse clicks or less....

So, if you're interested, go to "Make $25,000 in 7 mouse clicks or less.com"... LOL

No, seriously, as I said before, only trial and error will tell you what works for you and, whatever doesn't appear to convert, get rid of it and try to live by the 80/20 rule...

80% of your visitors will come from 20% of the work
20% of your visitors will come from 80% of the work

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10 years ago

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10 years ago

Solo ad is a great way of getting traffic. Everyone has an email and most people have it hooked to their phone. They check it often. A good solo ad with the right provider is very effective.

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10 years ago

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10 years ago

You get newbie traffic the same place you get any other traffic...
- forums
- facebook
- twitter
- google
etc etc....

Once they arrive to your squeeze page or blog - give them a free gift that will get them to sign up to your list. Once there over deliver with great value - giving them solutions to problems they need.

After this you then can promote products (better if you buy first) that they can buy. If you have genuinely tried to help solve their problems in the IM niche - they will more then likely be happy to buy what you are offering.

In summary - over deliver great value to solve your prospects needs, then promote products you have tested your self and know 100% that your list will benefit from it.

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