Where to get newbie traffic?

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Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
    Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

    Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks
    If I knew I definately would not tell you.

    YOU SCARE ME!!

    Hope you never find them

    Snake oil salesman comes to mind... trying to sell them information on something that it appears that you yourself appear to know next to nothing about.
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    • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
      Ok they are crawling all over the place right here in this very forum!! 24/7 365 days a year

      You mean that you couldn't figure that out?

      I thought you were a pro IMer?
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      • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
        Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

        Ok they are crawling all over the place right here in this very forum!!

        You mean that you couldn't figure that out?

        I thought you were a pro IMer?
        If they are on the Warrior Forum they are not newbies lol. I didn't find out
        about the Warrior Forum until I was one year into Internet Marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author darkonetoo
        Originally Posted by theaccountant

        Ok they are crawling all over the place right here in this very forum!!

        You mean that you couldn't figure that out?

        I thought you were a pro IMer?
        10-4 on that.

        This site is Newbie Central.

        I don't think there is a better place for newbies to find out the realities of online business than here.

        You can be treated very well AND very badly, which is the reality in the world.

        DarkOneToo
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

      If I knew I definately would not tell you.

      YOU SCARE ME!!

      Hope you never find them

      Snake oil salesman comes to mind... trying to sell them information on something that it appears that you yourself appear to know next to nothing about.
      Why? Whats wrong with promoting info products to people who are looking
      to make an income from home. Informative customers are known to be serial
      refunders who don't even give the product a fair try.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

    Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks
    Think about your question for just a moment. When someone realizes
    there is a billion people online and wants to try to tap into that number
    to make money, what is the first thing they do so that they can learn how?
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

      Think about your question for just a moment. When someone realizes
      there is a billion people online and wants to try to tap into that number
      to make money, what is the first thing they do so that they can learn how?
      I'm trying to avoid Google and SEO all together.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        I'm trying to avoid Google and SEO all together.
        Yeah, I would probably be the last person on this forum
        to ever advise you to use SEO!!

        Instead look at the top ranking sites and the advice
        they offer-- the places they direct their visitors to.
        Fortune, eHow, whatever they are (don't know these days).
        Most of them have a "Top 10 Ways" or "7 Weird Ways
        to make money" ranked pretty high, and in the generic
        articles they refer people to everything from PTC sites
        to Etsy... and of course those original sites depend on
        ad revenue, so check whose advertising is popping up
        there and you will find more places that "newbies"
        are first going.

        They usually end up on someone's list shortly after
        that, and then in several more after the first waves
        of Solo Ads. Soon they are in Safelists and forums
        and by the time they find a beginner/intermediate
        place like the Warrior Forum, they are frustrated
        and usually poorer than when they started.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
    I'm currently promoting the Bring The Fresh program which gets great reviews from internet marketers and no one is buying from the traffic I've been getting.
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    • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
      then you are not a pro IMer

      Neither am I but I don't pretend I am
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      • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
        Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

        then you are not a pro IMer

        Neither am I but I don't pretend I am
        I used to make a couple hundred weekly from video marketing but back then I was a newbie and was just sending my traffic to a sales page and wasn't building a list. Now my traffic source doesn't work anymore cause more than half are
        viewing my videos from a mobile phone.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamuelCarter
    Hey,

    One of the best ways, just make your own list. You create ideally create an information product which is targeted to Newbies in internet marketing.

    You could easily make a book, or have this outsourced and offer for free to newbies or sell and make money whilst making the list

    Samuel
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by SamuelCarter View Post

      Hey,

      One of the best ways, just make your own list. You create ideally create an information product which is targeted to Newbies in internet marketing.

      You could easily make a book, or have this outsourced and offer for free to newbies or sell and make money whilst making the list

      Samuel
      Been there done that. I've sent them to an OTO, gave them something for free
      with tremendous value and nobody is serious to take action and invest.
      I'm just tired of spending money into advertising only to get the tire kickers.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimvol
    Make a Facebook page..
    Use Facebook paid ads to get people to your page
    provide good info and interaction
    entice people with "a project you are working on"
    Then promote your website with your page.
    Facebook ads are cheaper to promote pages. If people like your page and follow the funnel from your site, chances are you are going to get quality traffic.

    Rooting for ya!

    Jeremiah
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by jimvol View Post

      Make a Facebook page..
      Use Facebook paid ads to get people to your page
      provide good info and interaction
      entice people with "a project you are working on"
      Then promote your website with your page.
      Facebook ads are cheaper to promote pages. If people like your page and follow the funnel from your site, chances are you are going to get quality traffic.

      Rooting for ya!

      Jeremiah
      Have a Facebook fan page but never thought of advertising my fan page with
      Facebook ads. Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author easyincomeguide
      Originally Posted by jimvol View Post

      Make a Facebook page..
      Use Facebook paid ads to get people to your page
      provide good info and interaction
      entice people with "a project you are working on"
      Then promote your website with your page.
      Facebook ads are cheaper to promote pages. If people like your page and follow the funnel from your site, chances are you are going to get quality traffic.

      Rooting for ya!

      Jeremiah
      I appriciate your idea . thanks for your valuable advice. I think its beneficial for lots of newbie. .............thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
    My friend the big issue in online selling bar none is getting targeted traffic and loads of it and sustaining it. You buy it or you can organically grow it , there is no one magic solution for every one.

    If the answer were so freely available to everyone in this no so secret forum. We would all be multi millonaires and the membership fee would be in the hundreds of thousands every year ,.

    The law of business is that the cream and the lucky rise to the top while every one else scratch their heads and try to feed off the crumbs.

    Traffic .. no easy answer .. except if you have the money buy it!!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

      My friend the big issue in online selling bar none is getting targeted traffic and loads of it and sustaining it. You buy it or you can organically grow it , there is no one magic solution for every one.

      If the answer were so freely available to everyone in this no so secret forum. We would all be multi millonaires and the membership fee would be in the hundreds of thousands every year ,.

      The law of business is that the cream and the lucky rise to the top while every one else scratch their heads and try to feed off the crumbs.

      Traffic .. no easy answer .. except if you have the money buy it!!
      That's "the law of business?" :rolleyes::p

      Traffic is not some mysterious thing that only the
      successful understand. It really just isn't.

      Just go to places where it is already at and get
      some of it for yourself. Do it a lot, and learn
      to do it better and better as time goes by.

      The end. (Or the beginning, if you prefer!)
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      • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
        Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

        That's "the law of business?" :rolleyes::p

        Traffic is not some mysterious thing that only the
        successful understand. It really just isn't.

        Just go to places where it is already at and get
        some of it for yourself. Do it a lot, and learn
        to do it better and better as time goes by.

        The end. (Or the beginning, if you prefer!)
        Like post WSO?

        I a working on 4 non IM niches at the moment .. we are just going to let them grow organically for the longterm. We see them as longterm investments in internet real estate.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
          Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

          Like post WSO?
          Sure, why not? A lot of people have built very profitable
          lists by posting WSOs... Or other "special offers" on other
          sites in other niches.
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          • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
            why not probaby a very good place to start- captive hungry audience

            just remember to throw in a wordpress plugin to automate everything
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          • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
            I've tried dipping in other niches but have been unsuccessful in the process.
            Only real money I've made has been in Internet Marketing but I haven't
            mastered how to make consistent sales every day.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
              Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

              The IM niche is the niche I know the most about though. I dont know what
              other niche I would do well in that has a lot of people searching for a solution
              to.
              Are you completely blind to the world around you? I dare you
              to look around at everything you see and find something that
              nobody is making money from.


              Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

              I've tried dipping in other niches but have been unsuccessful in the process.
              Only real money I've made has been in Internet Marketing but I haven't
              mastered how to make consistent sales every day.
              Don't take this personally, we say this to people every day.
              If you're not making money online, then get the Hell out
              of the IM/MMO niches!!!

              Seriously, how can you possibly think it is okay for you to
              teach something you don't know, and can't do yourself?
              When newbies come in and get frustrated, you are part
              of the problem!

              I'm all for testing, really I am-- But there comes a
              point where you have to commit.

              Stop "dipping" in other niches and dive into one!!
              You're not going to make money by testing the water
              with your toe. Nor by standing on dry land and
              teaching other people to kick and flail their arms around
              while you all pretend you can swim.

              "Pull the trigger and ride the bullet."
              --Roy H. Williams
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              • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
                Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                Are you completely blind to the world around you? I dare you
                to look around at everything you see and find something that
                nobody is making money from.




                Don't take this personally, we say this to people every day.
                If you're not making money online, then get the Hell out
                of the IM/MMO niches!!!

                Seriously, how can you possibly think it is okay for you to
                teach something you don't know, and can't do yourself?
                When newbies come in and get frustrated, you are part
                of the problem!

                I'm all for testing, really I am-- But there comes a
                point where you have to commit.

                Stop "dipping" in other niches and dive into one!!
                You're not going to make money by testing the water
                with your toe. Nor by standing on dry land and
                teaching other people to kick and flail their arms around
                while you all pretend you can swim.

                "Pull the trigger and ride the bullet."
                --Roy H. Williams
                I did commit completely with internet marketing and I wasnt making any money any more with it so I went to the Warrior Forum for help and they
                said advertise something targeted to what you have a lot of traffic for. I
                did that and wasn't getting any traffic for it. What I did get traffic from
                and sales was internet marketing stuff.
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            • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
              I feel your pain . There other interest that you have that can make money.

              play with keyword tools to find niche markets where they are experiencing bad ass pain.

              I mean they need a solution and now

              What you need is to take a general keyword where the big boys with million to spend dominate and do a key word search

              drill down on various keywords to find a niche between 1500 and 20 000 searches a month usually a longtail one.

              Put that key word into google search engine and have a look at the competition through seo quake. If you find that those site ranking at the top are just review sites and low page rank sites and that there is decent interest on the right for google adwords ads , then you have a money key word.

              Optimise your home pages , forget about meta tags just concentrate on site name short and memorable and about tyour subject matter and concentrate on title and description tages. Don't overdo the keyword density, just writed intelligently about the subject matter.

              Then buy a few sites PR2 or 1 at a cheap price ( redo them to make them relevant to your subject matter on your main site) and have them all backlink to your main site.

              Then back link the internal pages
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
                Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

                I feel your pain . There other interest that you have that can make money.

                play with keyword tools to find niche markets where they are experiencing bad ass pain.

                I mean they need a solution and now

                What you need is to take a general keyword where the big boys with million to spend dominate and do a key word search

                drill down on various keywords to find a niche between 1500 and 20 000 searches a month usually a longtail one.

                Put that key word into google search engine and have a look at the competition through seo quake. If you find that those site ranking at the top are just review sites and low page rank sites and that there is decent interest on the right for google adwords ads , then you have a money key word.

                Optimise your home pages , forget about meta tags just concentrate on siite name short and memorable and about tyour subject matter and concentrate on title and description tages. Don't overdo the keyword density, just writed intelligently about the subject matter.

                Then buy a few sites PR2 or 1 at a cheap price ( redo them tomake them relevant to your subject matter on your main site) and have them all backlink to your main site.

                Then back lint the internal pages

                You need to learn to read more than you post:

                Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

                I'm trying to avoid Google and SEO all together.
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  • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
    Honestly for a journeyman .. IM is the worst nichce to cut your teeth in. This comming from a top notch business consultant ( me, in case anyone is wondering).

    As hot as it is it is so terribly competitive and you are competing against the best of the best in IM.

    I WOULDN'T TOUCH IT... not yet anyhow

    Cut your losses and try something else .. though u might get lucky ... risky
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

      Honestly for a journeyman .. IM is the worst nichce to cut your teeth in. This comming from a top notch business consultant ( me, in case anyone is wondering).

      As hot as it is it is so terribly competitive and you are competing against the best of the best in IM.

      I WOULDN'T TOUCH IT... not yet anyhow

      Cut your losses and try something else .. though u might get lucky ... risky
      The IM niche is the niche I know the most about though. I dont know what
      other niche I would do well in that has a lot of people searching for a solution
      to.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        The IM niche is the niche I know the most about though. I dont know what
        other niche I would do well in that has a lot of people searching for a solution
        to.
        I know it seems like that to a lot of people. Even people
        who are not Newbies.

        The only reason I can think of that people come to this
        conclusion is that they are spending all of their time on
        IM forums and blogs and are signed-up in a bunch of MMO
        lists...

        Seriously, there is an entire Internet out there, folks!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    There are newbies all around you. Just look around. The question is can you offer them a product that can solve a problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimvol
    Mike,

    It is so elementary, but so many people MISS THIS!!!!

    Everyone is an expert at something.. Really they are.

    You have hobbies, interest, dislikes, beliefs, convictions, charities, loves, etc etc.

    I tried to make money with MMO... I mean its the hot thing right? Anyway, I failed totally and 100% failed. My wife got into an MLM that she really believes in, she loves the product, and is excited to talk about it. To me, it's just jewelry, but to her its an opportunity.

    She made almost $300.00 in her first five days....

    She has a hot product... a hot market.. and is kicking my butt compared to what I was making with MMO!!

    Find your niche.. exploit it. Make money from it!!!

    Thanks!

    Jeremiah
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by jimvol View Post

      Mike,

      It is so elementary, but so many people MISS THIS!!!!

      Everyone is an expert at something.. Really they are.

      You have hobbies, interest, dislikes, beliefs, convictions, charities, loves, etc etc.

      I tried to make money with MMO... I mean its the hot thing right? Anyway, I failed totally and 100% failed. My wife got into an MLM that she really believes in, she loves the product, and is excited to talk about it. To me, it's just jewelry, but to her its an opportunity.

      She made almost $300.00 in her first five days....

      She has a hot product... a hot market.. and is kicking my butt compared to what I was making with MMO!!

      Find your niche.. exploit it. Make money from it!!!

      Thanks!

      Jeremiah

      Precisely! ^^
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by jimvol View Post

      Mike,

      It is so elementary, but so many people MISS THIS!!!!

      Everyone is an expert at something.. Really they are.

      You have hobbies, interest, dislikes, beliefs, convictions, charities, loves, etc etc.

      I tried to make money with MMO... I mean its the hot thing right? Anyway, I failed totally and 100% failed. My wife got into an MLM that she really believes in, she loves the product, and is excited to talk about it. To me, it's just jewelry, but to her its an opportunity.

      She made almost $300.00 in her first five days....

      She has a hot product... a hot market.. and is kicking my butt compared to what I was making with MMO!!

      Find your niche.. exploit it. Make money from it!!!

      Thanks!

      Jeremiah
      The hobbies and interest I have never have an affiliate program for. I have
      millions of views on youtube videos for hip-hop videos and I dont get clicks
      anymore. It doesnt help half of the people are watching the vids on their
      cell phones now and dont see my ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
    You could become a pimp as in pimp my paid traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author ThePhantom
    It's kinda hilarious when you say that you know more about IM than anything else and yet don't know where to find your target audience?

    The most basic thing to get into any niche is to know what and where the audience is ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by ThePhantom View Post

      It's kinda hilarious when you say that you know more about IM than anything else and yet don't know where to find your target audience?

      The most basic thing to get into any niche is to know what and where the audience is ...
      I do. Times has changed and what has worked for me in the past doesn't work
      anymore so I have to search for targeted traffic sources now. I don't really
      trust solo ads, seems too good to be true. My goal is to have my own product
      but how can I have my own product if I haven't mastered affilate marketing.
      It would be silly to have my own product if I can't even sell high converting
      products.
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      • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
        Do your own product cory rudl taught me that or at least his staff did all those yeas ago . Then you can have your own affiliate program . I made money out of a crude product and crude self written copy 8 years ago believe me those lessons cost 10 grand
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        I hope I'm not coming off as a jerk. I'm really not trying to be...


        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        I did commit completely with internet marketing and I wasnt making any money any more with it so I went to the Warrior Forum for help and they
        said advertise something targeted to what you have a lot of traffic for. I
        did that and wasn't getting any traffic for it. What I did get traffic from
        and sales was internet marketing stuff.
        You need to re-think your definition of "commit completely"
        because if you knew what the really meant, you would still
        be working in the other niche... Sounds like you probably quit
        three feet from gold.

        I would like to know two things at this point. First, what was
        the niche? And secondly, how is it that you didn't have traffic
        for the niche you were working in, but you did somehow have
        traffic for "IM stuff"?



        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        The hobbies and interest I have never have an affiliate program for. I have
        millions of views on youtube videos for hip-hop videos and I dont get clicks
        anymore. It doesnt help half of the people are watching the vids on their
        cell phones now and dont see my ads.
        I certainly wouldn't pollute the world with any more hip-hop than
        is already in it. But if that's your poison, and their isn't already an
        affiliate program, well that sounds like an opportunity to me...



        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        Im reading everything posted. It's mostly stuff I've already heard over the years that doesn't work for me.
        Please note that my comment was not directed at you.
        I used your quote to show that someone else had missed
        something you posted, and gave you advice you had already
        said you didn't want.



        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        I do. Times has changed and what has worked for me in the past doesn't work
        anymore so I have to search for targeted traffic sources now. I don't really
        trust solo ads, seems too good to be true. My goal is to have my own product
        but how can I have my own product if I haven't mastered affilate marketing.
        It would be silly to have my own product if I can't even sell high converting
        products.
        You have to search for targeted traffic? Have you ever looked
        around at the Internet? It's everywhere!!-- Yeah, I wouldn't trust
        Solo Ads either, the way most IMers around here talk about them.
        (Hint: In other niches, nobody calls them "Solo Ads" )

        And now another one that doesn't make any sense: Why do you think
        you can't have your own product if you haven't mastered affiliate marketing?
        What, your lack of motivation to get out there and do the work to make
        the products of someone else successful, that somehow means you won't
        have the motivation to make your own product successful? :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          I hope I'm not coming off as a jerk. I'm really not trying to be...




          You need to re-think your definition of "commit completely"
          because if you knew what the really meant, you would still
          be working in the other niche... Sounds like you probably quit
          three feet from gold.

          I would like to know two things at this point. First, what was
          the niche? And secondly, how is it that you didn't have traffic
          for the niche you were working in, but you did somehow have
          traffic for "IM stuff"?





          I certainly wouldn't pollute the world with any more hip-hop than
          is already in it. But if that's your poison, and their isn't already an
          affiliate program, well that sounds like an opportunity to me...





          Please note that my comment was not directed at you.
          I used your quote to show that someone else had missed
          something you posted, and gave you advice you had already
          said you didn't want.





          You have to search for targeted traffic? Have you ever looked
          around at the Internet? It's everywhere!!-- Yeah, I wouldn't trust
          Solo Ads either, the way most IMers around here talk about them.
          (Hint: In other niches, nobody calls them "Solo Ads" )

          And now another one that doesn't make any sense: Why do you think
          you can't have your own product if you haven't mastered affiliate marketing?
          What, your lack of motivation to get out there and do the work to make
          the products of someone else successful, that somehow means you won't
          have the motivation to make your own product successful? :confused:
          I was advertising on the same hip-hop videos. I tried advertising a beat making software for a week and i only got about 6 clicks. I tried ringtone offers nothing. But advertise an im product about making money online I'd get a few
          hundred clicks easy but none take action anymore. And hip-hop is in. It's so
          easy to get viral videos with music videos.

          And I don't want to go out and make a product and waste my time promoting
          it and investing hundreds of dollars into it not to mention all the money for programs if it wont produce sales for me. Right now I can't afford to make
          my own product anyways. I need to make some money in affiliate commission
          then save that then go from there.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            I was advertising on the same hip-hop videos. I tried advertising a beat making software for a week and i only got about 6 clicks. I tried ringtone offers nothing.
            That was not targeted marketing in any sense of the word.
            Those people were watching videos, looking to be entertained.
            They were not actively looking for "beat making software".


            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            But advertise an im product about making money online I'd get a few
            hundred clicks easy
            You were advertising "make money" to people who watch
            hip hop videos?? I hope you didn't expect any buyers there?


            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            but none take action anymore.
            In general, the "make money" niches are all full of broke
            people who cannot afford to "take action". Case in point:


            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            Right now I can't afford to...
            ...People either literally cannot afford to "take action"
            or they are afraid of shooting and missing, then being
            completely broke.


            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            And hip-hop is in. It's so
            easy to get viral videos with music videos.
            How sad. Well, it can't last forever... Eventually someone
            will realize that being able to rhyme about your hormones
            is not a real skill. :p


            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            And I don't want to go out and make a product and waste my time promoting
            it and investing hundreds of dollars into it not to mention all the money for programs if it wont produce sales for me. Right now I can't afford to make
            my own product anyways. I need to make some money in affiliate commission
            then save that then go from there.
            ...And you thought that trying to sell an affiliate product to people
            who are more new to this than you are, that is a good idea?
            How many affiliate products did you buy when you first started
            in all of this?
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            • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
              I've made a couple thousand off hip hop videos before.
              I bought two products before I started and I made more money
              as a newbie than I am now almost 4 years later with more knowledge.
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            • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
              That was not targeted marketing in any sense of the word.
              Those people were watching videos, looking to be entertained.
              They were not actively looking for "beat making software".
              Jamie Lewis suggested I market beat making software on my videos
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    Is newbie traffic like normal traffic?

    Same places as normal traffic - Facebook, Twitter, commenting, forums, ppc, web 2.0, pinterest, Google, etc....

    No freebie seekers? Well, you will have to filter those people out - the easiest way to do that is to charge people for something. Those that buy aren't freebie seekers!
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

      Is newbie traffic like normal traffic?

      Same places as normal traffic - Facebook, Twitter, commenting, forums, ppc, web 2.0, pinterest, Google, etc....

      No freebie seekers? Well, you will have to filter those people out - the easiest way to do that is to charge people for something. Those that buy aren't freebie seekers!
      Problem is finding the people that aren't freebie seekers lol, it's so tough.
      I've tried flyers, business cards, video marketing, building a list, facebook ads.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        I've made a couple thousand off hip hop videos before.
        I bought two products before I started and I made more money
        as a newbie than I am now almost 4 years later with more knowledge.
        1. And yet you "cannot afford" to make your own product?
        2. Four years later and minor success does not mean you stop
        being a Newbie. What kind of a list did you build during all this time?


        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        Jamie Lewis suggested I market beat making software on my videos
        Don't blame anyone else. Learn a little Marketing 101 yourself,
        and take responsibility for your own mistakes, otherwise you can't
        take credit for your own achievements, either.

        If you want to market beat making software, you have to make your
        offer in places where people are looking to buy beat making software.
        Anything less is not targeted, qualified traffic.


        Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

        Problem is finding the people that aren't freebie seekers lol, it's so tough.
        I've tried flyers, business cards, video marketing, building a list, facebook ads.
        In the "Newbie Make Money" niches? Yes, I would imagine so...
        1. Newbies are almost all broke, which is why they're trying to learn to make money (duh!)
        2. Newbies don't realize they have to invest in their business-- They are not seeking
        Freebies, they are seeking the shiny magic button "that actually works" (rather than, you know,
        stopping the excuses and actually working, themselves! )


        ...Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a worse niche to be in.
        I'm sure there are some, but they're not coming to mind right now.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          1. And yet you "cannot afford" to make your own product?
          2. Four years later and minor success does not mean you stop
          being a Newbie. What kind of a list did you build during all this time?
          I invested all the money I made into traffic to try to scale my business
          and ended up spending all my money because none of the traffic converted.
          I didnt have a job at the time so all the money I made was gone.
          And I have a list of over 800 people




          Don't blame anyone else. Learn a little Marketing 101 yourself,
          and take responsibility for your own mistakes, otherwise you can't
          take credit for your own achievements, either.

          If you want to market beat making software, you have to make your
          offer in places where people are looking to buy beat making software.
          Anything less is not targeted, qualified traffic.
          I'm not blaming anyone, dont assume I'm not taking responsibility.
          Im just saying I asked him what I should
          promote on my videos and he recommended beat making software.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            I invested all the money I made into traffic to try to scale my business
            and ended up spending all my money because none of the traffic converted.
            I didnt have a job at the time so all the money I made was gone.
            And I have a list of over 800 people
            Okay, you should be making at least a little bit of money with a
            list of 800 people. How are you connecting with them? What are
            you offering them?


            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            I'm not blaming anyone, dont assume I'm not taking responsibility.
            Im just saying I asked him what I should
            promote on my videos and he recommended beat making software.
            Okay... I misunderstood when you made a post naming someone.
            Whatever the case, the ultimate point still stands: The reason your
            traffic didn't convert with your "beat making software" is that it was
            not targeted.


            So let's re-focus the conversation: This list of 800 people that you
            have right now, what niche is it in? What have you done with them
            so far? How often to the reply to you to make comments or ask
            questions?
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            • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
              Okay, you should be making at least a little bit of money with a
              list of 800 people. How are you connecting with them? What are
              you offering them?
              I've made no money with my list. I'm sending them free reports,
              an hour long video training teaching various ways to make money
              and I promote some offers which receive no sales.



              So let's re-focus the conversation: This list of 800 people that you
              have right now, what niche is it in? What have you done with them
              so far? How often to the reply to you to make comments or ask
              questions?
              The niche is the make money from home/IM niche.
              They don't communicate with me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eutaw
    I have alot of success with solo ads. I have used them over the last 3 years and get great results
    You can start with a small budget, if funds are limited
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    You can use solo ad purchase and then do email adswap to attain more subcribers and then promote the product. Most of the time, you will get newbies from the make money online niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author trafficmasters
    PPC traffic, PPV traffic, Media buys, Video Marketing

    You are trying to tap into a very competitive niche - good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by trafficmasters View Post

      PPC traffic, PPV traffic, Media buys, Video Marketing

      You are trying to tap into a very competitive niche - good luck
      But you're in the niche as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author higherluv
    Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

    Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks
    ???

    Are you trying to pick people's brains?

    If not, YOU should be telling US.
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  • Profile picture of the author whitebread
    Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

    Does anyone know where to get targeted newbie traffic for the make money online niche? I don't want traffic from freebie seekers or from people that know how the internet marketing niche works. Like where do the guru's get their traffic from? Thanks

    There are plenty of advance methods to generate laser targeted traffic but the question is do you have a budget..There is no free laser targeted traffic without hard work. You can jump straight to PPC but that requires some sort of experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
      Originally Posted by whitebread View Post

      There are plenty of advance methods to generate laser targeted traffic but the question is do you have a budget..There is no free laser targeted traffic without hard work. You can jump straight to PPC but that requires some sort of experience.
      I've tried ppc and have been unsuccessful.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Traffic .. no easy answer .. except if you have the money buy it!!
    Well, you don't say...

    Creating videos and putting them up on you tube is a proven winner.

    I get a lot of traffic that way. Google will allow you to post the videos for free on their site and that is not all, you get a portion of the money that they make from ads that are running. I saw a canon 3Ti selling on ebay for $400 yesterday and this is a 1080 full HD pro camera.

    The cost of creating videos is near zero. I would pay for some background music. However, you can get some for free from video blocks as well as an intro to your mini movie.

    Lighting is easy. Go to home depot and get a work lamp for $29.95 now get going!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

      I've made no money with my list. I'm sending them free reports,
      an hour long video training teaching various ways to make money
      and I promote some offers which receive no sales.
      How did you build this list?


      Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

      The niche is the make money from home/IM niche.
      They don't communicate with me.
      NONE of the 800 people communicate with you???
      Are they opening your emails at all?



      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      Well, you don't say...

      Creating videos and putting them up on you tube is a proven winner.

      I get a lot of traffic that way. Google will allow you to post the videos for free on their site and that is not all, you get a portion of the money that they make from ads that are running. I saw a canon 3Ti selling on ebay for $400 yesterday and this is a 1080 full HD pro camera.

      The cost of creating videos is near zero. I would pay for some background music. However, you can get some for free from video blocks as well as an intro to your mini movie.

      Lighting is easy. Go to home depot and get a work lamp for $29.95 now get going!
      ...You didn't read the thread either, did you?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ads888
        Hi, Google PPC and Facebook PPC are very good! Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
        How did you build this list?
        How do you think I built it? Through my hip hop videos
        of course.




        NONE of the 800 people communicate with you???
        Are they opening your emails at all?
        Barely. I don't get many clicks. The most clicks I ever received
        with my list was 30 in a single broadcast.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
          Originally Posted by Jeffreyjm View Post

          Solo ad is a great way of getting traffic. Everyone has an email and most people have it hooked to their phone. They check it often. A good solo ad with the right provider is very effective.

          What about digging more into what it is that your market wants. Find that out in more detail, and market TO THAT. That's marketing 101
          I've been thinking about this a lot actually. If I want better response
          from my email list then I should be sending traffic from people that
          are on email lists not from traffic from YouTube because these people
          probably don't even open there emails and probably just using Facebook
          to communicate and most of my traffic probably doesn't own a credit card.

          Originally Posted by MKCookins View Post

          You get newbie traffic the same place you get any other traffic...
          - forums
          - facebook
          - twitter
          - google
          etc etc....

          Once they arrive to your squeeze page or blog - give them a free gift that will get them to sign up to your list. Once there over deliver with great value - giving them solutions to problems they need.

          After this you then can promote products (better if you buy first) that they can buy. If you have genuinely tried to help solve their problems in the IM niche - they will more then likely be happy to buy what you are offering.

          In summary - over deliver great value to solve your prospects needs, then promote products you have tested your self and know 100% that your list will benefit from it.
          I've already tried this over and over. Does not work for me. Just a waste of moola.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
            Originally Posted by MKCookins View Post

            You get newbie traffic the same place you get any other traffic...
            - forums
            - facebook
            - twitter
            - google
            etc etc....

            Once they arrive to your squeeze page or blog - give them a free gift that will get them to sign up to your list. Once there over deliver with great value - giving them solutions to problems they need.

            After this you then can promote products (better if you buy first) that they can buy. If you have genuinely tried to help solve their problems in the IM niche - they will more then likely be happy to buy what you are offering.

            In summary - over deliver great value to solve your prospects needs, then promote products you have tested your self and know 100% that your list will benefit from it.


            Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

            I've already tried this over and over. Does not work for me. Just a waste of moola.


            Okay Yeah, I'm just going to say what everyone else is thinking.
            You need to either change your mindset, or quit IM now and get a job.
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            • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
              Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post



              Okay Yeah, I'm just going to say what everyone else is thinking.
              You need to either change your mindset, or quit IM now and get a job.
              I already have a job wise guy.
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              • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
                I've said this from day 1, mostly my traffic I'm generating is curious traffic and
                not desperate traffic and it's mostly from teenagers who don't have a credit
                card. I just wished I could generate the YouTube views in another niche
                besides music videos.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
                Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

                Promoting make money online products has worked for me though
                with that traffic. Too bad the course I was promoting that converted
                with my traffic no longer exists.
                Uh-huh. And what was that? :rolleyes:


                Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

                I already have a job wise guy.
                I really am trying to be helpful and not be a smart-ass,
                but you're making it a little difficult. Here is my last
                piece of advice to you:

                1. Get out of the IM/MMO market until you can do it yourself.
                2. Whatever you choose to market, target the people
                that are actually interested in what you actually want
                to sell them.
                3. Build quality lists.

                Good luck.
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                • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
                  Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                  Uh-huh. And what was that? :rolleyes:
                  Tycoon Cashflow & Youtube Cashbusters by Adam Horwitz
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
          Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

          How do you think I built it? Through my hip hop videos
          of course.
          I try not to jump to the tiny island of Conclusions too often.
          It is small, overcrowded, and difficult to get back from.


          Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

          Barely. I don't get many clicks. The most clicks I ever received
          with my list was 30 in a single broadcast.
          Ouch, that's pretty terrible. There are two major things that
          could be wrong here:
          1. You're trying to sell them something other than hip hop
            "entertainment", or...
          2. Your email headlines are terrible.
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          • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
            Ouch, that's pretty terrible. There are two major things that
            could be wrong here:
            1. You're trying to sell them something other than hip hop
              "entertainment", or...
            2. Your email headlines are terrible.
            They opted in for making money online lol not
            hip-hop entertainment. Reason why I don't get
            too many opens I believe is

            a.) they are fake emails just to
            see whats on the other side
            b.) The age demographic doesn't
            even use email.


            Many people I know in my age group or
            younger doesn't use email on a daily basis
            to communicate. They use Facebook and
            text. Only reason they use email is when
            they have to redeem something or signup
            for a website.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
              Originally Posted by Vince1990 View Post

              They opted in for making money online lol not
              hip-hop entertainment. Reason why I don't get
              too many opens I believe is

              a.) they are fake emails just to
              see whats on the other side
              b.) The age demographic doesn't
              even use email.


              Many people I know in my age group or
              younger doesn't use email on a daily basis
              to communicate. They use Facebook and
              text. Only reason they use email is when
              they have to redeem something or signup
              for a website.

              Don't you see what you're saying!?
              You were promoting "Make Money" info
              to people watching hip hop videos.

              That just doesn't make any sense.
              Once again, the best advice you have
              been given in this forum is to learn how
              to actually make money online before
              you try to teach anyone else how to
              do it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Vince1990
                Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                Don't you see what you're saying!?
                You were promoting "Make Money" info
                to people watching hip hop videos.

                That just doesn't make any sense.
                Once again, the best advice you have
                been given in this forum is to learn how
                to actually make money online before
                you try to teach anyone else how to
                do it.
                Promoting make money online products has worked for me though
                with that traffic. Too bad the course I was promoting that converted
                with my traffic no longer exists.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by Jack Albright View Post

      I just sent you a PM
      Very interesting, with your 48 posts...
      Is there no longer a 50 post limit to sending PMs?
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
          Originally Posted by Jack Albright View Post

          Look man, I don't get paid by anyone for telling you about this, it's a free platform. So if this is your way of maybe trying to make me feel somewhat inferior to you because you have more posts than I do, I'm sorry man but it didn't work.
          No, not at all... I meant exactly what I said, at face value,
          and there was nothing written between the lines at all.


          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          Very interesting, with your 48 posts...
          Is there no longer a 50 post limit to sending PMs?


          Originally Posted by neilrock View Post

          What works for some people, doesn't work for others...
          Best Of Luck!
          There is one thing that always works for everyone.
          It works for everyone in every niche, every time:

          Send plenty of targeted, qualified traffic to a good offer.

          If the OP or anyone else is struggling with this, then
          1. He should not be in the IM/MMO niches teaching other people
          to run in circles like a chicken with no head.
          2. He needs to find out where the breakdown is in his own process
          and fix it.
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  • Profile picture of the author neilrock
    What works for some people, doesn't work for others... It's all about the mindset... Don't chase the money, let the money come to you... It's all about preferences too.. I prefer video as, they are quick to produce and easy to distribute across the internet but, I also like to write articles or, re-hash PLR when I get a chance...

    I too am a newbie into the IM/MMO niche but, it is all about the value that you deliver that really counts and keeps your visitors coming back, not trying to drive traffic to the next "scam" artist who is telling you that you can make $25,000 in 7 mouse clicks or less....

    So, if you're interested, go to "Make $25,000 in 7 mouse clicks or less.com"... LOL

    No, seriously, as I said before, only trial and error will tell you what works for you and, whatever doesn't appear to convert, get rid of it and try to live by the 80/20 rule...

    80% of your visitors will come from 20% of the work
    20% of your visitors will come from 80% of the work

    Best Of Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author RoyChan
    Best is to do Ezine Advertising, very fast and good way to test your conversion. Hope it helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffreyjm
    Solo ad is a great way of getting traffic. Everyone has an email and most people have it hooked to their phone. They check it often. A good solo ad with the right provider is very effective.

    What about digging more into what it is that your market wants. Find that out in more detail, and market TO THAT. That's marketing 101
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    you get traffic from social media sites, blog commenting and forum posting.
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  • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
    You get newbie traffic the same place you get any other traffic...
    - forums
    - facebook
    - twitter
    - google
    etc etc....

    Once they arrive to your squeeze page or blog - give them a free gift that will get them to sign up to your list. Once there over deliver with great value - giving them solutions to problems they need.

    After this you then can promote products (better if you buy first) that they can buy. If you have genuinely tried to help solve their problems in the IM niche - they will more then likely be happy to buy what you are offering.

    In summary - over deliver great value to solve your prospects needs, then promote products you have tested your self and know 100% that your list will benefit from it.
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