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After 5 years of trying...

by Ernie Lo
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I've been trying to make money online for the last few years and althought I've seen minor success with a few things...I've never made a profit.

I was so disappointed and kinda desperate that I decided to quit IM and give online gambling a shot.

I started playing a card game online (not holdem poker) which not many people know about.

Anyway to cut a long story short...I ended up making a lot of money and it didn't take much of my time up at all (only played a few hours per day).

My best result was making about $400 in 4 hours of play!

Now of course I'm very good at the game so these results aren't typical but I can honestly say pretty much anyone with the right system and info can turn a profit each day from playing this game, even if its only $20-$50 or so while having great fun

I did lose my job recently so to compesate for the lost income I was thinking of making a WSO introducing the game, having tips and a couple of videos of me playing the game.

Online gambling is NOT illegal for US residents, which many people incorrectly think, the wso would explain everything about that too.

Anyway before I start something like this, I just need to know if people would be interested in a product like this?

I do apologize for making a thread like this...but I did lose my job, so please take that into consideration
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Personally I'm not interested but the Internet is a bit bigger than just the WSO forum. With some actual proof of your results you should be able to make some sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Thanks for the reply. I've definitely got proof..I just wasnt sure if a "gambling" product would do well here or not

    Attached is a pic of some results earlier this month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

    Dude, forget a WSO, you should make a Clickbank product. Good gambling systems can make a lot of money.

    WOW I never knew Clickbank accepted gambling products?? The thought never crossed my mind lol
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    • Profile picture of the author bombdiggity
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      WOW I never knew Clickbank accepted gambling products?? The thought never crossed my mind lol
      What are you waiting for? You should start planning your product creation now. Figure out what the market wants, and go for it. You seem to know enough about the niche. I'm actually curious to see what you can come up with. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Hmm damn I dont think CB allow gambling products?

    ClickBank prohibits the following types of products:

    "Wagers or wagering pools, gambling or betting of any kind;"

    When I search poker nothing comes up
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  • Profile picture of the author new2ebiz
    I typed in texas holdem on the marketplace page and got more than one page of results. That will tell you the category those types of products are sold in. Then you can go from there; check out the products and see how they 'obey' ClickBank's rules.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Didn't you just make a post like 2 months ago about your big offline success?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        LOL that coulda been me but I then got a fulltime job and didn't follow up with them due to limited time.




        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Didn't you just make a post like 2 months ago about your big offline success?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      OMG your right! I was searching in the search box at the top but you got to go into the market place section and use the search in there.. thanks mate I was about to give up on CB



      Originally Posted by new2ebiz View Post

      I typed in texas holdem on the marketplace page and got more than one page of results. That will tell you the category those types of products are sold in. Then you can go from there; check out the products and see how they 'obey' ClickBank's rules.
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      • Profile picture of the author new2ebiz
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        OMG your right! I was searching in the search box at the top but you got to go into the market place section and use the search in there.. thanks mate I was about to give up on CB
        No problem. Glad to help.

        Hope to hear of your CB product success soon!

        Also, some people here use paydotcom as well. You might ask the forum what they think of that site.

        Good Luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          Thank you so much! Yeah I might as well sell it on CB, Ebay and PDC

          What kind of price range do you guys think I could sell it for? I want to give affliates about 70% i'd say...i was thinking maybe $197?




          Originally Posted by new2ebiz View Post

          No problem. Glad to help.

          Hope to hear of your CB product success soon!

          Also, some people here use paydotcom as well. You might ask the forum what they think of that site.

          Good Luck!
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          • Profile picture of the author DFR
            I play online poker full time (5/10NL and higher) and recently had an interest in IM. My first bit of advice is razz is not popular at all. The most popular game is no limit hold em, then Pot limit omaha. If you search for Razz games online there are few going. The easy money is found chasing fish (meaning bad players) around in NL.

            I'm assuming you're playing tourneys or sngs. Anyone that has knowledge of tourneys and sngs understands the high amount of variance. A sample size of at least 1,000 sngs is used to determine an accurate winrate. These are figures calculated by math nerds to determine the variance and most players agree with these numbers.

            I'm not saying it wont sell. You need much more than a few weeks of results to accuratley determine a winrate. If a struggling poker player seen those results as proof they wouldn't believe in it.

            Best of luck though.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketguru
    it looks like something a lot of people would be interested to know but everybody is weary of things that give off at least 100% profit everytime
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
    Actually Ernie,

    What card game is that? Blackjack? (There aren't too many online card games other than Blackjack, poker, & Omaha).

    I would not recommend gambling as a long term solution, because you have to remember, there are just as many 'smart' guys as you, wanting to 'win' big. Yes, periodically people do win big, and yes, there are consistent winners at poker, etc. But for every one guy that wins, usually thousands lose.

    I noticed you were playing tournaments which is 'smarter', but not consistent (win-wise), and you'll spend a lot of time playing.

    $197 is a bit greedy (I think that's why you chose that price), if you are going to sell it, probably $30 would be much better/more saleable.

    But anyways, I'm assuming part of the reason why you are offering this as a WSO, etc is because you realize that it is difficult to make a living gambling. Not impossible, some do, but very difficult.

    Johnathan
    Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

    I've been trying to make money online for the last few years and althought I've seen minor success with a few things...I've never made a profit.

    I was so disappointed and kinda desperate that I decided to quit IM and give online gambling a shot.

    I started playing a card game online (not holdem poker) which not many people know about.

    Anyway to cut a long story short...I ended up making a lot of money and it didn't take much of my time up at all (only played a few hours per day).

    My best result was making about $400 in 4 hours of play!

    Now of course I'm very good at the game so these results aren't typical but I can honestly say pretty much anyone with the right system and info can turn a profit each day from playing this game, even if its only $20-$50 or so while having great fun

    I did lose my job recently so to compesate for the lost income I was thinking of making a WSO introducing the game, having tips and a couple of videos of me playing the game.

    Online gambling is NOT illegal for US residents, which many people incorrectly think, the wso would explain everything about that too.

    Anyway before I start something like this, I just need to know if people would be interested in a product like this?

    I do apologize for making a thread like this...but I did lose my job, so please take that into consideration
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      Hi there, no the game isnt BlackJack.

      I dont see how $30 is high enough when this is pretty much guraneteed money (if your a good player you will win more than you lose) unlike some of the hog wash IM crap that can sell for much higher

      Yes I agree gambling is very hard to do as a living, thats why the product wont promise them the moon etc, its for those that want to make an extra $50-$100 a week in their spare time having fun, or a lot more if they want to take it more seriously.



      Originally Posted by Johnathan View Post

      Actually Ernie,

      What card game is that? Blackjack? (There aren't too many online card games other than Blackjack, poker, & Omaha).

      I would not recommend gambling as a long term solution, because you have to remember, there are just as many 'smart' guys as you, wanting to 'win' big. Yes, periodically people do win big, and yes, there are consistent winners at poker, etc. But for every one guy that wins, usually thousands lose.

      I noticed you were playing tournaments which is 'smarter', but not consistent (win-wise), and you'll spend a lot of time playing.

      $197 is a bit greedy (I think that's why you chose that price), if you are going to sell it, probably $30 would be much better/more saleable.

      But anyways, I'm assuming part of the reason why you are offering this as a WSO, etc is because you realize that it is difficult to make a living gambling. Not impossible, some do, but very difficult.

      Johnathan
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      • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
        Lol, actually, there is no such thing as "guaranteed" money. (PS, just noticed the game you are talking about is "Razz". Lol, didn't even know it was a game until DFR mentioned it).

        People play differently, and everyone wants to win. Probably the only reason you have won fairly consistently thus far (I'm assuming you aren't showing your losses), is because they don't really care about the game (yet). I hadn't heard about razz until now, so until I got up to speed on it, might play a bit poorly initially. In any cash game or sit & go, you get crazy & stupid players, bad beats to 'dumb' players that should fold to your 'trip' aces on a flop, only to have them runner runner you with four of a kind deuces, etc, etc. (speaking of poker here, I'm sure razz would have similar examples).

        Plus, you have to remember, a lot of people cheat (with stats software, and many, many other methods that the poker rooms don't tell you about, etc). In fact, ultimatebet recently got into trouble because it was "accidentally" discovered that a few players were cheating with insiders with the company. You should read this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26563848/

        Online gambling is probably one of the hardest methods of making money -- not only "cash" wise -- but you can age years within days because of the stress it puts on your system. If you "believe" you "made" $400 over 4 hours, only to "lose" it in 1-2 minutes, that can be exceptionally stressful. Or worse, lose it over a week, then worry that you've wasted a week of your life.

        That isn't to say you can't make money gambling, but you have to have a knack for it. Saying it again, for every 'real' winner, there are thousands of losers.

        That being said -- if you want to create a CB product, go for it. I have seen some people have betting systems, etc, online. But don't make promises that can't be kept. It is "not" guaranteed money. And, if your product did become successful, chances are there would be a lot of "astute" players that would then skew future playing (i.e., your product may not work as much, or at all).

        $197 I would still say is expensive, unless you say had $20k in winnings to "prove" the success in your winnings. So far it looks like you've made about $700 over the course of two weeks. I'm not sure what your losses have been like. Based on what you've done so far, I'd say $30-$50 would probably sell.

        Johnathan

        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        Hi there, no the game isnt BlackJack.

        I dont see how $30 is high enough when this is pretty much guraneteed money (if your a good player you will win more than you lose) unlike some of the hog wash IM crap that can sell for much higher

        Yes I agree gambling is very hard to do as a living, thats why the product wont promise them the moon etc, its for those that want to make an extra $50-$100 a week in their spare time having fun, or a lot more if they want to take it more seriously.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          I wouldnt agree with that statement,. I'm winning because I'm a good player

          and the game is nothing like holdem poker. Its a limit stud game and although bad beats can happen, out of all the gambling games it has the least variance and the better players win more consistently compared to any other game.

          Thanks for your input, youve touched on ome good points




          Originally Posted by Johnathan View Post



          People play differently, and everyone wants to win. Probably the only reason you have won fairly consistently thus far (I'm assuming you aren't showing your losses), is because they don't really care about the game (yet). I hadn't heard about razz until now, so until I got up to speed on it, might play a bit poorly initially. In any cash game or sit & go, you get crazy & stupid players, bad beats to 'dumb' players that should fold to your 'trip' aces on a flop, only to have them runner runner you with four of a kind deuces, etc, etc. (speaking of poker here, I'm sure razz would have similar examples).

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          • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
            Lol, that's what everyone says until you start losing

            It's good that you have some wins. But if it does catch on, you can pretty much be sure that there will be a lot more "good" players, and if there really is very little variance, etc -- slowly people will stop playing it just because they won't be winning any 'big' money.

            Part of the allure of no limit is that you can double or triple your stack size in the course of one hand. (I'd say that's one of the things that gets you 'addicted').

            Anyways, good luck with the CB product, I'm sure it would be a good experience.

            Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

            I wouldnt agree with that statement,. I'm winning because I'm a good player
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          • Profile picture of the author DFR
            Sample size of your poker career? Stud is known to have way more variance than holdem lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Thanks for your help mate!

    Sorry I'm not very cluey with CB and gravity etc. No1 is selling a digital product on the game Im playing on CB..so I guess regualar poker products is what I need to go by.

    Are you saying $197 would be a good price or not lol?

    i want to get affiliates on board and Ive made the mistake in the past about selling to cheaply..so I thought id get their mouths wet by selling it high? But it could be a mistake?



    Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

    Well see how much other betting and poker products go for. I'm pretty sure they don't sell for $197.

    Having a look: Search - 'poker'

    I'm a little surprised that the top gravity of a poker product is only 10. I seem to remember them being much higher than this....

    Betting is better:
    Search - 'betting'

    Sportsbetchamp is the leader (I have promoted this before): gravity>90 and does indeed sell for $197!

    You need to do some research bro. But I'd definitely go the CB route rather than WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    LOL thanks

    But I don't want a good experience I want to make good money Do you think it will sell?
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  • Profile picture of the author DFR
    not for $197. Maybe for $47.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
      Originally Posted by DFR View Post

      not for $197. Maybe for $47.
      Yes, I'd agree. $47 seems like a good price. (Hmm, maybe I should make one too! ) Mind you, it would be poker. Not razz (at least not right now! )

      PS, DFR, what sites do you play at? And how long have you been playing? (If you've been playing 5/10, I'm assuming you are at least somewhat decent )
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  • Profile picture of the author DFR
    Got started after Moneymaker won the wsop main event. Started playing the small stakes limit games then the limit games kinda slowed up. I switched to NL and started playing 50NL meaning .25/.50 blinds. I play on Stars and Full Tilt for the most part. I almost only play six max games and heads up. It took me a long time to get this far along. I'm far from a natural. I usually mix in some 3/6 and 10/20 6 max games because it's tough to find 8 decent 5/10 games going at once. It's a good living and I love being my boss. The stress levels can get high, losing streaks always seem longer than winning streaks (not really just mentally). I run at around 3bb/100 which is pretty darn decent. Have a real interest in IM because of guaranteed money. Once an e-book is created the work is less until you start another. I'm just kinda interested in trying something new and to make some side money and perhaps play less hours of poker.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
      Originally Posted by DFR View Post

      Got started after Moneymaker won the wsop main event. Started playing the small stakes limit games then the limit games kinda slowed up. I switched to NL and started playing 50NL meaning .25/.50 blinds. I play on Stars and Full Tilt for the most part. I almost only play six max games and heads up. It took me a long time to get this far along. I'm far from a natural. I usually mix in some 3/6 and 10/20 6 max games because it's tough to find 8 decent 5/10 games going at once. It's a good living and I love being my boss. The stress levels can get high, losing streaks always seem longer than winning streaks (not really just mentally). I run at around 3bb/100 which is pretty darn decent. Have a real interest in IM because of guaranteed money. Once an e-book is created the work is less until you start another. I'm just kinda interested in trying something new and to make some side money and perhaps play less hours of poker.
      Lol, ok, not bad, yes, 3bb/100 is pretty good actually. Especially if you are multitabling. Do you use any stats software while playing, or just your own skill/gut/etc? I agree with the comment about the losing streaks (And really gets you annoyed when you find some fish, think you have him beat and he runner runners something that leaves your head shaking. Doesn't happen too often, but when it does, and you are all-in.......... lol...)

      Nice to see someone else who enjoys poker!
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  • Profile picture of the author DFR
    The future of online poker is in the U.S. Gov. hands which is a scary thought. One day it could just be banned so I'm looking to expand my horizons.
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  • Profile picture of the author DFR
    I use poker tracker
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  • Profile picture of the author DFR
    Forget to answer this for you lol. Stats are important but so are reading the players. Probably 70/30 gut over stats
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  • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
    Ernie I'm wondering what you have "tried" in 5 years at IM to have not made any money?

    And what makes you think you can make money from your gambling idea if you haven't been able to make money form anything else?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      ive tried many things in IM...and I spent a lot of money and time on each one. I'm sure you're not going to believe me...I don't care, its all BS IMO. If you have made it work congratulations but I'm not touching the "make money" niche anymore.

      gambling is different because it's not hogwash general stuff, you win and make money or you lose

      Thanks for the replies and PM's and stuff, I'm not sure what I'm going to do just yet, might play for a bit longer and monitor my results first before making a product.




      Originally Posted by Kyle Tully View Post

      Ernie I'm wondering what you have "tried" in 5 years at IM to have not made any money?

      And what makes you think you can make money from your gambling idea if you haven't been able to make money form anything else?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        ive tried many things in IM...and I spent a lot of money and time on each one. I'm sure you're not going to believe me...I don't care, its all BS IMO. If you have made it work congratulations but I'm not touching the "make money" niche anymore.

        gambling is different because it's not hogwash general stuff, you win and make money or you lose

        Thanks for the replies and PM's and stuff, I'm not sure what I'm going to do just yet, might play for a bit longer and monitor my results first before making a product.
        Mate I'll believe you

        You've been around long enough to know I'm a straight shooter. I'm not trying to diss you or the effort you've put in.

        I'm seriously curious as to how you can spend 5 years and not make money, that's a long time to have not self-corrected and have something to show for your efforts... but I think I know what it is.

        You did what a lot of people do right out of the gate. You went into the "make money" niche before you'd actually made any. Is that right? Are you marketing in any other niches?

        It's not "all BS". That's a cop out and you know it. There are plenty of successful people on here that have proven that.

        My questions were serious, according to the stats you've shown you made about $800 over 2 weeks. You can't in good conscious call that a "system". That would be no better than the "BS" you claim IMers make.

        What makes you think you could make money from your idea? Do you have success marketing affiliate products in the niche?

        What makes you think others could get similar results? Do you actually have a written system, or has your success so far been a combination of luck and talent?

        Again, not taking a jab, just trying to keep it real.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          Sorry Kyle I didn't mean to sound rude I'm, just under pressure and the IM niche has left a sour taste in my mouth after failure after failure.

          The last straw was when I made a membership site got 140 affiliates and ended up making only a handful of sales...my dreams were crushed.

          I'd say my success is a combo of skill and luck (there is always luck in gamblin) but if you have skill and play sensibly the skill will outway the luck factor.

          I'm not sure I'm ready to make a product, I believe I could help people be a better play but I think the one thing stopping me is the game isnt very popular.




          Originally Posted by Kyle Tully View Post

          Mate I'll believe you

          You've been around long enough to know I'm a straight shooter. I'm not trying to diss you or the effort you've put in.

          I'm seriously curious as to how you can spend 5 years and not make money, that's a long time to have not self-corrected and have something to show for your efforts... but I think I know what it is.

          You did what a lot of people do right out of the gate. You went into the "make money" niche before you'd actually made any. Is that right? Are you marketing in any other niches?

          It's not "all BS". That's a cop out and you know it. There are plenty of successful people on here that have proven that.

          My questions were serious, according to the stats you've shown you made about $800 over 2 weeks. You can't in good conscious call that a "system". That would be no better than the "BS" you claim IMers make.

          What makes you think you could make money from your idea? Do you have success marketing affiliate products in the niche?

          What makes you think others could get similar results? Do you actually have a written system, or has your success so far been a combination of luck and talent?

          Again, not taking a jab, just trying to keep it real.
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  • Profile picture of the author edlewis
    Dude,

    I'm not Sherlock Holmes but it looks like you're playing Razz poker tourneys and doing pretty well.

    You have a nice little money-maker there....just not sure if it's enough for an ebook - although I'm sure some people would buy it if you promise them "easy riches".

    No offense, but I'm going to guess that 25-50% of the people who wind up playing in Razz tourneys do so ACCIDENTALLY. Yep, they hurry to try and play a tourney that they think is Hold'em and then realize it's Razz - a game they don't have a clue how to play.

    Others playing in these may be "noobs" just playing around trying to learn to play Razz.

    Therefore if you're just a good Razz player, you are probably going to see success because you are largely playing against people who don't know how to play or are just learning.

    Maybe I'm wrong....perhaps all those playing Razz are playing so on purpose and have been playing for awhile....in that case you're just a very good Razz player.

    Just not quite sure you'll be able to make enough profit selling a Razz ebook, unless of course something happens and Razz surges in popularity.
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  • Profile picture of the author J smith
    Wouldn't it be a better idea to set up your own mini site/sales page for whatever info you plan to offer, could even have a continuation/membership program with videos and what not.

    I guess the way I look at wso's is that they should provide some IM related stuff, be it plr articles, book mark services, how to do x or whatever. Guess I would just be a bit surprised to see "learn how you can make 50$/day playing this card game" in a wso section.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adaptive
    Ernie, it sounds like you might have found a use of your time that's a better fit for you.

    As I see it, a WSO is something to help Internet Marketers succeed at Internet Marketing, so a gambling WSO would not be appropriate.

    However, I do wish you look with the new venture. Perhaps your IM journey won't be entirely wasted if it leads to success at selling your gambling discoveries.

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author AlbertF
    If you are earning more with gambling, I believe it can be a great way to make a little on the side if you are a professional at it and know what your doing, but it isn't stable. I would suggest researching something that everything is dying to read and market it. It is good long term and is more consistent because gambling is never consistent is terms of getting enough of the paycheck.
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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    I think you are onto something here.

    You have a gambling system that works for you, AND you have a marketing background. Put the two together quickly and ride this wave you have for yourself.

    I would also suggest reinvesting some of your earnings into other more long term ventures. Outsource work. Pay for promotion, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Galactus
    Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

    I've been trying to make money online for the last few years and althought I've seen minor success with a few things...I've never made a profit.

    I was so disappointed and kinda desperate that I decided to quit IM and give online gambling a shot.

    I started playing a card game online (not holdem poker) which not many people know about.

    Anyway to cut a long story short...I ended up making a lot of money and it didn't take much of my time up at all (only played a few hours per day).

    My best result was making about $400 in 4 hours of play!

    Now of course I'm very good at the game so these results aren't typical but I can honestly say pretty much anyone with the right system and info can turn a profit each day from playing this game, even if its only $20-$50 or so while having great fun

    I did lose my job recently so to compesate for the lost income I was thinking of making a WSO introducing the game, having tips and a couple of videos of me playing the game.

    Online gambling is NOT illegal for US residents, which many people incorrectly think, the wso would explain everything about that too.

    Anyway before I start something like this, I just need to know if people would be interested in a product like this?

    I do apologize for making a thread like this...but I did lose my job, so please take that into consideration
    Sent you a skype request, lets talk about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
    I started playing a card game online (not holdem poker) which not many people know about.
    Razz is a huge game on every top online poker site
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    • Profile picture of the author edlewis
      Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

      Razz is a huge game on every top online poker site
      Yeah....obviously. That's why the tourneys Ernie is playing in have a whopping 16 people in them.

      I would hardly call Razz "huge"....especially compared to the other online poker options available to people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        LOL yeah I was about to say....nobody in their right mind would say razz s huge


        Originally Posted by edlewis View Post

        Yeah....obviously. That's why the tourneys Ernie is playing in have a whopping 16 people in them.



        I would hardly call Razz "huge"....especially compared to the other online poker options available to people.
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        • Profile picture of the author edlewis
          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          LOL yeah I was about to say....nobody in their right mind would say razz s huge
          Ernie,

          Keep rounding in that cash playing Razz...and see where it goes.

          If I were you I wouldn't totally give up on the internet thing yet though....maybe just take a "break". Have you ever looked into making money as a poker affiliate? The niche is different now since the UIGEA, but that shouldn't effect your end too much in Australia.

          Razz just isn't very big....one thing you could do is create an infoproduct on Razz and then approach other people in the poker niche. I can see how some players might want to learn Razz if they don't know how to play - especially if their is PROFIT in it.

          Doesn't have to be right now either....keep playing and track all your results. Maybe set some goals or a "challenge" for yourself. That way if you do decide to create and market something, it will make it much easier.

          Good luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
        Originally Posted by edlewis View Post

        Yeah....obviously. That's why the tourneys Ernie is playing in have a whopping 16 people in them.

        I would hardly call Razz "huge"....especially compared to the other online poker options available to people.
        You ever heard of a Sit & Go?

        And maybe hes playing on a small time site?

        Try and think outside the box

        LOL yeah I was about to say....nobody in their right mind would say razz s huge
        Anybody who plays poker as a hobby knows what Razz is.. so I was simply pointing out that you didn't find some top secret game that nobody knows about.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          Sorry Kory not tryin to be rude but I need to correct you on a few things.

          Those results are not from SitNgo's,

          I'm playing on the biggest poker site (poker stars)

          ...and I wouldn't agree that most people who play poker know about razz....most do not know what it is or how to play it.




          Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

          You ever heard of a Sit & Go?

          And maybe hes playing on a small time site?

          Try and think outside the box



          Anybody who plays poker as a hobby knows what Razz is.. so I was simply pointing out that you didn't find some top secret game that nobody knows about.
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          • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
            Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

            Sorry Kory not tryin to be rude but I need to correct you on a few things.

            Those results are not from SitNgo's,

            I'm playing on the biggest poker site (poker stars)

            ...and I wouldn't agree that most people who play poker know about razz....most do not know what it is or how to play it.
            Okay I play on Pokerstars about 5-6/hrs a day.

            1. What is that a screenshot of? What website are you getting those statistics from?

            Doesn't look like Sharkscope.com or Officialpokerrankings.com which are the 2 biggest poker databases there are.

            But that stuff doesn't matter because I just stating all poker players know what Razz is..

            Just like the latest Razz SCOOP Tourny had 3,000 people.. and every Razz MTT that is running right now and that has been completed within the last week have all had over 16 entrants which is why I assumed you were playing SnG's.

            Either way it doesn't matter, congrats on your winnings.
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        • Profile picture of the author edlewis
          Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

          You ever heard of a Sit & Go?

          And maybe hes playing on a small time site?

          Try and think outside the box



          Anybody who plays poker as a hobby knows what Razz is.. so I was simply pointing out that you didn't find some top secret game that nobody knows about.
          I realize that it wasn't a "top secret game"....but those who don't know poker don't. heck, some of the other "experts" in this thread who play Hold'em didn't even seem familiar with it.

          BTW - I knew he wasn't playing on a "small time site" from his screenshot. I'm also familiar with Razz and I know it's not a popular game when compared to the others.

          Sure, there are people who play it....but they are rare in terms of comparison to the lemmings that rush to the Hold'em tables trying to make an "easy buck".

          People play Omaha too....and Omaha H/L....but you won't find many of them.

          It's not about "thinking outside the box"....it's about actually knowing something about the poker niche.
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          • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
            Originally Posted by edlewis View Post

            I realize that it wasn't a "top secret game"....but those who don't know poker don't. heck, some of the other "experts" in this thread who play Hold'em didn't even seem familiar with it.

            BTW - I knew he wasn't playing on a "small time site" from his screenshot. I'm also familiar with Razz and I know it's not a popular game when compared to the others.

            Sure, there are people who play it....but they are rare in terms of comparison to the lemmings that rush to the Hold'em tables trying to make an "easy buck".

            People play Omaha too....and Omaha H/L....but you won't find many of them.

            It's not about "thinking outside the box"....it's about actually knowing something about the poker niche.
            He said, "not many people know about it".

            The way I took that was, not many poker players know about it.

            So if I misread, sorry. If he meant not many people in general know about Razz, then yes, that is true.

            But you ask any poker player if they know what Razz is, 95% will know. That doesn't mean they play that game, because to be honest, it is probably the most boring game.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
              Here's the thing guys...

              Whether "razz" is popular or not is largely irrelevant.

              If you've got a PROVEN money maker there is a massive market of buyers out there.

              Doesn't matter what the tool is.

              Give me the proof elements that you can make money trading dead hamsters and I'll write you a salesletter that'll make you money... and... I'll show you how and where to market it.

              You never sell the product. You sell the results.
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              • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
                Originally Posted by Kyle Tully View Post

                Here's the thing guys...

                Whether "razz" is popular or not is largely irrelevant.

                If you've got a PROVEN money maker there is a massive market of buyers out there.

                Doesn't matter what the tool is.

                Give me the proof elements that you can make money trading dead hamsters and I'll write you a salesletter that'll make you money... and... I'll show you how and where to market it.

                You never sell the product. You sell the results.
                If anybody thinks there is a PROVEN money making strategy for online poker, they are crazy.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
                  Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

                  If anybody thinks there is a PROVEN money making strategy for online poker, they are crazy.
                  I've already made my stance on that issue clear -- there is no "system" here and no real results to speak of.

                  I'm just talking in general.

                  The game itself doesn't matter much if you've got proof.
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                  • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
                    Originally Posted by Kyle Tully View Post

                    I've already made my stance on that issue clear -- there is no "system" here and no real results to speak of.

                    I'm just talking in general.

                    The game itself doesn't matter much if you've got proof.
                    I catch your drift.
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            • Profile picture of the author edlewis
              Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

              He said, "not many people know about it".

              The way I took that was, not many poker players know about it.

              So if I misread, sorry. If he meant not many people in general know about Razz, then yes, that is true.

              But you ask any poker player if they know what Razz is, 95% will know. That doesn't mean they play that game, because to be honest, it is probably the most boring game.
              No doubt....serious poker players know what Razz is....even though I don't about 95%....just because there are so many new players and players who have only been around since the Hold'em boom. But we're on the same page.

              That's why I suggested that if he did decide to create a Razz product, he should try to team up with those in the niche already teaching poker techniques, but who have maybe neglected Razz.
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              • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
                Originally Posted by edlewis View Post

                but who have maybe neglected Razz.
                Everybody neglects Razz sooner or later
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            • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
              Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

              He said, "not many people know about it".

              The way I took that was, not many poker players know about it.

              So if I misread, sorry. If he meant not many people in general know about Razz, then yes, that is true.

              But you ask any poker player if they know what Razz is, 95% will know. That doesn't mean they play that game, because to be honest, it is probably the most boring game.
              Lol, up until this thread, *I* didn't know what razz was
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr McDonald
    Would get all that info down in an ebook and sell it on for a profit. Ask first 4/5 buyers to put a review together then post that on your sales page.
    You will have a good targeted audience as online gambling is huge.
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    This is A Little Weird But It Will Get You A Flood Of Targeted Free Traffic On Autopilot.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardBravo
    Ernie try this....

    1. Find some gaming specific forums, particularly ones that have an active membership for the game you will be teaching.

    2. Goto to SurveyMonkey.com and put together a survey that addresses all of the variables you are trying to calculate prior to creating your product, including a variable that lists several price options.

    3. Ask the forum members to take your survey. If needs be, give some thing away. Free strategies. A free ipod shuffle. The thing is arbitrary, but give something away as incentive for participating in the survey.


    This is a quick exercise that will provide you with extremely valuable market research prior to entering the market. You may teach how to gamble in your product, but never gamble on your product.

    Do your homework, gather proper market data and you'll know if you have a winning hand before you make your wager in the open market.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author daj
    Why not create a blog about Razz, and write some articles up to teach people how to make money playing Razz? Also get their email and name for a tips newsletter. You can then sign up to be an affiliate of the online casino that you play Razz on, and pitch the link in your articles to earn revenue and profit from everyone who signs up for it. Then once you become more comfortable with showing others how to play, create your ebook or a product to sell about Razz on your site. You would have built up a targeted audience, and you could then market it to them as well as the others who come to your site.

    It would be so easy for you to do this, since you play Razz and know about it! What do you have to lose?

    Here's some keywords used to search about Razz online from google's keyword tool.
    Write articles based on these keywords for your razz blog. It's a small niche, but I'm
    sure it could be profitable for you.

    Razz | 9,900 exact searches (all are monthly not daily)
    Razz Poker | 1,300 exact searches
    Razz Rules | 1,300 exact searches
    Razz Photo | 590 exact searches
    Razz Strategy | 590 exact searches
    Razz Player | 210 exact searches
    Razz Room | 110 exact searches
    Razz Starting Hands | 110 exact searches
    Poker Razz Rules | 91 exact searches
    Razz Tips | 72 exact searches
    Rules For Razz | 73 exact searches
    Razz Hand Rankings | 58 exact searches
    Razz Definition | 46 exact searches
    Razz Line | 46 exact searches
    Seven Card Razz | 46 exact searches
    Razz Video | 36 exact searches
    Rules To Razz | 28 exact searches
    Razz Game | 22 exact searches
    Razz Online | 22 exact searches
    Razz Tournament | 22 exact searches
    Razz Forum | 16 exact searches
    Razz Instructions | 16 exact searches
    Razz Meaning | 16 exact searches
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  • Profile picture of the author Robertas
    Man, that's f**king AWESOME!

    If you've discovered a system share then it with "others". Man, this is a great market - "people want to win no matter what, because they want to make money!" and the best thing is that THEY HAVE MONEY. You totally need to come up with something.

    I've seen this guy on the internet who's got a membership website where he teaches others on how to win a lottery and he's making a freaking fortune!!!

    Go for it baby ;D
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    If you are so good at it, then why don't you just keep playing this game until you get rich? lol

    $400 in 4 hours is pretty impressive
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Grundberg
    Ok, I've had enough. I gotta weigh in here.

    This entire thread has pissed me off so badly I can't stand it anymore.

    Anyone who claims that "Online Gambling" is either a "Job" or a worthy "Business Model" is flat out stoned or stupid.

    And anyone who claims to have any sort of "System" is even worse, because they are preying on the same bullshit mentality that created this very thread...

    "Let's Get Rich QUICK!"

    Ernie, you spent FIVE YEARS madly trying to sell IM picks and shovels to people when you didn't have the FAINTEST idea what their proper use was yourself.

    And instead of assesing your actions, recognizing what was wrong, and taking steps to fix it, you have somehow managed to maintain your GRQ attitude and ignore the very problems that caused you to fail.

    And one of the main problems here is the perception of what the definition of IM really is...

    See, IM is not "Let me show you how to get rich quick", although it's often been perverted into that, especially by the "Fake it til you make it" crowd.

    IM is "Marketing On The Internet"...selling online. Selling Anything. Not just IM tools. Not "Consulting" or providing tools and services to other Internet Marketers.

    That's what I do, and I've become pretty successful at it, as have many others here. But I have worked VERY hard at becoming the best at what I do, too. And I never STOP working at it.

    And along the way I have FAILED. But every failure has taught me a lesson, and I have adjusted my attitude and expectations accordingly.

    And here's another eye-opener for you: 80% of my clients AREN'T selling IM related info. Not even close.

    Eighty Percent.

    They are selling products and information to the REST of the world, which is a FAR larger and more responsive market. Indeed, it's unlimited!

    And yet another wake-up call: They work VERY HARD at it too. That's because it's a business to them. And sometimes they fail. But they learn, adjust, and eventually get it right.

    That's IM.

    But somehow (in 5 long years) you (and others posting in this thread) have somehow missed those truths...

    And now you're contemplating running off and selling shovels to a whole different crowd of GRQ entitlement seekers, and with two weeks so-called "proof" in hand.

    Wow.

    All I can say is: Good fu*kin luck to ya!

    Peace...

    And A Big PS to "BigBen": We care. Anyone coming here to flog shit or show their ass is going to get slammed. Guaranteed. And if that makes us "self-righteous", then so be it. And if that disturbs you...Cya! :p
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    I'm Baaaaaack...
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    • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
      Originally Posted by Glenn Grundberg View Post

      Ok, I've had enough. I gotta weigh in here.

      This entire thread has pissed me off so badly I can't stand it anymore.

      Anyone who claims that "Online Gambling" is either a "Job" or a worthy "Business Model" is flat out stoned or stupid.

      And anyone who claims to have any sort of "System" is even worse, because they are preying on the same bullshit mentality that created this very thread...

      "Let's Get Rich QUICK!"

      Ernie, you spent FIVE YEARS madly trying to sell IM picks and shovels to people when you didn't have the FAINTEST idea what their proper use was yourself.

      And instead of assesing your actions, recognizing what was wrong, and taking steps to fix it, you have somehow managed to maintain your GRQ attitude and ignore the very problems that caused you to fail.

      And one of the main problems here is the perception of what the definition of IM really is...

      See, IM is not "Let me show you how to get rich quick", although it's often been perverted into that, especially by the "Fake it til you make it" crowd.

      IM is "Marketing On The Internet"...selling online. Selling Anything. Not just IM tools. Not "Consulting" or providing tools and services to other Internet Marketers.

      That's what I do, and I've become pretty successful at it, as have many others here. But I have worked VERY hard at becoming the best at what I do, too. And I never STOP working at it.

      And along the way I have FAILED. But every failure has taught me a lesson, and I have adjusted my attitude and expectations accordingly.

      And here's another eye-opener for you: 80% of my clients AREN'T selling IM related info. Not even close.

      Eighty Percent.

      They are selling products and information to the REST of the world, which is a FAR larger and more responsive market. Indeed, it's unlimited!

      And yet another wake-up call: They work VERY HARD at it too. That's because it's a business to them. And sometimes they fail. But they learn, adjust, and eventually get it right.

      That's IM.

      But somehow (in 5 long years) you (and others posting in this thread) have somehow missed those truths...

      And now you're contemplating running off and selling shovels to a whole different crowd of GRQ entitlement seekers, and with two weeks so-called "proof" in hand.

      Wow.

      All I can say is: Good fu*kin luck to ya!

      Peace...

      And A Big PS to "BigBen": We care. Anyone coming here to flog shit or show their ass is going to get slammed. Guaranteed. And if that makes us "self-righteous", then so be it. And if that disturbs you...Cya! :p
      Amen

      Kory Pearman
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        To add to Glenn Grundberg's post.

        Ernie,

        If you are still chasing the IM 'dream' after 5 years and your solution is to sell an untested gambling system to people like yourself you really need to take a break and reassess your thinking.

        Your membership site didn't work out. OK, we've all invested money and effort into something that didn't succeed.

        Forget all the bigtime stuff. Don't try and make your own membership site or version of Facebook/Myspace/Youtube/Butterfly Marketing Software.

        Stick to the basics. Find a profitable niche. Build website. Drive targeted traffic. Sell. Rinse and repeat.

        FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE!

        Like you I was in danger of becoming a perpetual newbie until I changed my thinking. This gambling ebook idea is just an extension of the desperate newbie mindset.

        No criticism intended, but from what I've read I don't think you will be a successful professional gambler. You have to be cool, methodical and with the ability to disengage at will.

        Martin
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    • Profile picture of the author superstylefactor
      Originally Posted by Glenn Grundberg View Post

      Ok, I've had enough. I gotta weigh in here.

      This entire thread has pissed me off so badly I can't stand it anymore.

      Anyone who claims that "Online Gambling" is either a "Job" or a worthy "Business Model" is flat out stoned or stupid.

      And anyone who claims to have any sort of "System" is even worse, because they are preying on the same bullshit mentality that created this very thread...

      "Let's Get Rich QUICK!"

      Ernie, you spent FIVE YEARS madly trying to sell IM picks and shovels to people when you didn't have the FAINTEST idea what their proper use was yourself.

      And instead of assesing your actions, recognizing what was wrong, and taking steps to fix it, you have somehow managed to maintain your GRQ attitude and ignore the very problems that caused you to fail.

      And one of the main problems here is the perception of what the definition of IM really is...

      See, IM is not "Let me show you how to get rich quick", although it's often been perverted into that, especially by the "Fake it til you make it" crowd.

      IM is "Marketing On The Internet"...selling online. Selling Anything. Not just IM tools. Not "Consulting" or providing tools and services to other Internet Marketers.

      That's what I do, and I've become pretty successful at it, as have many others here. But I have worked VERY hard at becoming the best at what I do, too. And I never STOP working at it.

      And along the way I have FAILED. But every failure has taught me a lesson, and I have adjusted my attitude and expectations accordingly.

      And here's another eye-opener for you: 80% of my clients AREN'T selling IM related info. Not even close.

      Eighty Percent.

      They are selling products and information to the REST of the world, which is a FAR larger and more responsive market. Indeed, it's unlimited!

      And yet another wake-up call: They work VERY HARD at it too. That's because it's a business to them. And sometimes they fail. But they learn, adjust, and eventually get it right.

      That's IM.

      But somehow (in 5 long years) you (and others posting in this thread) have somehow missed those truths...

      And now you're contemplating running off and selling shovels to a whole different crowd of GRQ entitlement seekers, and with two weeks so-called "proof" in hand.

      Wow.

      All I can say is: Good fu*kin luck to ya!

      Peace...

      And A Big PS to "BigBen": We care. Anyone coming here to flog shit or show their ass is going to get slammed. Guaranteed. And if that makes us "self-righteous", then so be it. And if that disturbs you...Cya! :p
      woo... that's really one heavy-weight comment! amen to that!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      I wasn't going to reply to your post but since someone has bumped it i will.

      You don't know me and what I've been through. I've spent years and thousands of dollars trying to make IM work and worked really hard at everything I try.

      So get off your high horse.





      Originally Posted by Glenn Grundberg View Post

      Ok, I've had enough. I gotta weigh in here.

      This entire thread has pissed me off so badly I can't stand it anymore.

      Anyone who claims that "Online Gambling" is either a "Job" or a worthy "Business Model" is flat out stoned or stupid.

      And anyone who claims to have any sort of "System" is even worse, because they are preying on the same bullshit mentality that created this very thread...

      "Let's Get Rich QUICK!"

      Ernie, you spent FIVE YEARS madly trying to sell IM picks and shovels to people when you didn't have the FAINTEST idea what their proper use was yourself.

      And instead of assesing your actions, recognizing what was wrong, and taking steps to fix it, you have somehow managed to maintain your GRQ attitude and ignore the very problems that caused you to fail.

      And one of the main problems here is the perception of what the definition of IM really is...

      See, IM is not "Let me show you how to get rich quick", although it's often been perverted into that, especially by the "Fake it til you make it" crowd.

      IM is "Marketing On The Internet"...selling online. Selling Anything. Not just IM tools. Not "Consulting" or providing tools and services to other Internet Marketers.

      That's what I do, and I've become pretty successful at it, as have many others here. But I have worked VERY hard at becoming the best at what I do, too. And I never STOP working at it.

      And along the way I have FAILED. But every failure has taught me a lesson, and I have adjusted my attitude and expectations accordingly.

      And here's another eye-opener for you: 80% of my clients AREN'T selling IM related info. Not even close.

      Eighty Percent.

      They are selling products and information to the REST of the world, which is a FAR larger and more responsive market. Indeed, it's unlimited!

      And yet another wake-up call: They work VERY HARD at it too. That's because it's a business to them. And sometimes they fail. But they learn, adjust, and eventually get it right.

      That's IM.

      But somehow (in 5 long years) you (and others posting in this thread) have somehow missed those truths...

      And now you're contemplating running off and selling shovels to a whole different crowd of GRQ entitlement seekers, and with two weeks so-called "proof" in hand.

      Wow.

      All I can say is: Good fu*kin luck to ya!

      Peace...

      And A Big PS to "BigBen": We care. Anyone coming here to flog shit or show their ass is going to get slammed. Guaranteed. And if that makes us "self-righteous", then so be it. And if that disturbs you...Cya! :p
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      • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        I wasn't going to reply to your post but since someone has bumped it i will.

        Shut the hell up! You don't know me and what I've been through. I've spent years and thousands of dollars trying to make IM work and worked really hard at everything I try.

        So get off your high horse.
        I'm supposed to be the immature guy!
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          How was my post immature? I would love to know.

          Glenn was pretty much attacking my character and going off in a puff of smoke when he doesn't know anything about me or the way I do business.



          Originally Posted by korypearman View Post

          I'm supposed to be the immature guy!
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          • Profile picture of the author oldwarrioruser1
            Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

            How was my post immature? I would love to know.

            Glenn was pretty much attacking my character and going off in a puff of smoke when he doesn't know anything about me or the way I do business.
            I found "shut the hell up" a little unnecessary.. Your on an internet marketing forum getting emotional?

            No one was attacking you, just trying to make you see reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author superstylefactor
    Originally Posted by Richard Odell View Post

    Thats not exactly quitting? :confused:

    I think thats whats called - finding your niche!

    All the very best to you, I hope it all pans out...

    -Rich
    hmm... i like the way you looked at it! give me new insight into the definition of "niche"

    i remembered the first time i was on a slot machine in a casino, i was going around feeling bored, and settled down on one machine, and started pressing the colorful buttons and NOT knowing absolutely what i was doing! within minutes, the credits just rolled into my card, and me still being clueless! A casino staff walked by, looked at my credits and said he could help me to cash out if i want, so i followed him to the counter where they started flipping out $50 bills onto the table! in the end, i counted about $1400 in that stack, and i had only spent like $5 worth of credits! being one who's never liked the idea of gambling, i quickly took me winnings and headed home! LOL! well of course i gave like $200 to each of my parents
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  • Profile picture of the author DFR
    I'm very curious on poker is unbeatable? Over 4.5 million hands I'm a winner. You should really use Yahoo or Google and search about online poker and the training sites available. I consider online poker my "Job". I don't do drugs and have a college degree. Poker is easy money for me, way more than a 9-5 gig. Actually it's a great market. Perhaps you don't see poker tournaments and cash games on TV. Clearly you don't understand the basics of poker or anything math related but thankfully for you forums exist to educate the ignorant.

    I really wish you would find out how many young people world wide are interested in poker. Spend 5 minutes and search online to see how much some stoners are making playing poker. Before you say something along the lines of why am I looking into IM if poker is so profitable I'll save you the time. Sadly legislation in the U.S. is making it difficult to play poker online. Politicians and yourself share the same faulty logic. Pathetic I wasted my time writing to the intellectaully challenged.
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