Launching Product - How To Get Affiliates?

Hi proguy7,

If you want to get an army of affiliates to sell your product, then you will need to put in some grunt work, because anyone with a decent mailing list will be inundated with requests to sell other folk's stuff.

For that reason, I suggest considering using JVZoo, rather than ClickBank. JVZoo sell a ton of other products, other than IM, and they have two big advantages for you over ClickBank:

• You get contact with your affiliates, so you can help them out and encourage them. There's no direct contact with ClickBank.
• You aren't limited to the 75% commission, as you are with ClickBank.

But you will need to be very active recruiting your own affiliates. And you'll find that only about 5% will actually produce a meaningful amount of sales.

Martin's idea about promoting other folk's products to build up a relationship with them to get them to sell your product to their list is a good one. But, in your case, it would mean you have to start from scratch and start to attract prospects and turn them into buyers.

So, on balance, it might be more productive for you to promote your own product from the start.

Then, when you have built up a list of buyers of your product, you can put the cherry on the cake by become an affiliate for anyone else who has a good product in your niche. Then you won't need to build much of a relationship with the other product owners - because they'll be delighted to have you do that.

Warmest regards,

Paul

Hi proguy7,

Glad you like my advice. So sorry to inject a sour note ...

The sixty day guarantee is pretty much universal, because it is a legal requirement (Distance selling regulations etc). So it's not JVZoo, so much as PayPal (JVZoo's payment processor) that sets that.

But don't worry about it. Make a virtue of it.

And when you are promoting your product state loud and clear that you are so confident they will LOVE this that you are backing it with a sixty day 'Love it - or your money back' guarantee.

Sure, you'll get a few crooks, but these will be outweighted by the extra sales you'll make, because you offer such a strong guarantee.

Warmest regards,

Paul

Both of these are good and both allow a higher percentage of affiliate commission to be paid to your affiliates than ClickBank, which is an important part of attracting good affiliates with quality lists.

Warmest regards,

Paul

A lot of affiliates don't like RapBank because of the way they pay commissions - "one for me, one for you" type of thing. No real logic to that dislike but that's the fact.

As for getting JVs, that is the hard part of launching a product. (Well, one of the hard parts LOL.) Do you spend out and get a JV broker? Someone who introduces you to relevant JVs (supposedly) and gets them to mail for you? Obviously, them take a skim - 10-20% - plus a payment up front. So it's important to have a backend that makes money.

It's not all bad avoiding a WSO as you will be able to charge a higher price other things being equal as WSO-buyers are trained to expect low prices.

Getting JVs, and getting to know relevant brokers, is all about networking. Get out there and talk to everybody and anybody and ask their views and get recommendations. Go to IM forums to find the marketers and ask how they would do it. And sign up for all the similar products and see how they are marketing and, if you can, who is helping them.

Contact the owners of such products and see if they are chatty.

And think laterally about other niches that will probably take to your product - eg think about the demographics of your target audience and look for other audiences with similar demographics. Eg check Quantcast and Alexa for a competitors site.

Finally, although I am talking here about doing a product launch, there is also the other approach of havingt an evergreen site. It's quicker, easier, and cheaper to set that up first anyway. Get your funnel right (with your backend in place) and test conversions. Then you can buy traffic once you know your profit per click.

Eg from adswaps, if you have a small list already (500+) or solo ads if not. Test and measure, test and measure. It makes sense to do this anyway and tweak your conversions before doing any product launch.

Oh - one more thing. Some JV brokers will not get you a good result. And some people giving you advice about launching are talking through their ar*e. Just stating the obvious: but be cautious and double check everything. With JV brokers - treble or quadruple check before paying them lots of money.

Good luck!

Malc :-)

Hi poguy7,

Unfortunately not. Although, if a buyer requests a refund from ClickBank, it's automatically given after two business days, whereas with PayPal they hold an 'inquest' first.

But don't get hung up on worrying about refunds. If you have a good product, most folks are honest and won't request a refund. If you're that concerned, then consider making the product a password protected membership site (even for a one off payment).

As you say: So your friend might want to add extra tips and tricks over time, which will encourage folks to hand in there and not refund. And - if they request a refund - you simply delete them from the membership database.

Warmest regards,

Paul

I wasn't doing it to hit them big or anything, though perhaps they did expect it. I was out for a birthday with my now ex gf, and as the dealer was friendly I let him in on the fact that he was continuously using the same technique (I assumed he would just change the way he was doing it, not stop me altogether LOL). I was playing Dozens, and I got a rhythm for knowing where it would land depending on his release and spin.

I've read that there is a more sophisticated method for getting more precise selections, but the extent of my knowledge was reading that many dealers had signature moves and used certain force, and that you could work out roughly where it could land on most occasions by keeping a close eye.

And I know those who specialize in it do well offline, but I've tried online roulette, using every system under the sun, even my own methods, and eventually EVERY online site hits a bad run of 10-11-12-13-14 or more of the same type in a row, and it ruins you.

So I was just making sure it wasn't for online roulette, because from experience I know it can't be beat

I don't think you read my post properly or the OP, or focused on the names. I'm not the owner of this program, and I don't promote any roulette program.

And I also said I've tested everything under the sun for online roulette and know that you can't beat it.

I do however know that you can beat roulette in live casinos, based on the roulette wheels, the dealer and other reasons. What I did was exploit what the dealer was repeatedly doing the same. I was wagering 1 pound a time, and I wasn't doubling up each time, so I did this for hours on end before finally spilling. I still got it wrong sometimes, but I was right far more times than wrong because it was predictable, unlike online roulette which is just a random number generator.

I don't even claim to make a living from it LOL. It was just a night out with my now ex gf, where I started with £5 and took it to £200 before I told the dealer. Otherwise I could have made more

I also wouldn't be able to go into just any casino and make money from a roulette, as I'm not trained in this or anything. The dealer was just pretty sh*t and predictable. I got lucky in that sense, but knowing where the ball would land was not luck. It's not easy to do, but I also know that there are pros who do this for a living, moving from casino to casino successfully, so I know it works.

GRRRR! Well, Ok you called mine an offline system, it's not, just a little knowledge I had on this.

This testing of roulette online I did YEARS ago, I have worked out for myself that it's not beatable online OR offline if you play in a legit manner lol . However, if you do some research, you aren't beating the game offline by playing it as you should. You're beating it because you're focusing specifically on how the wheel works, how the dealer spins the wheel and the way in which he releases the ball depending on what spin he does.

Out of interest I went looking for people using physics to beat roulette

Saw this as first result:

With Basic Physics, You Can Beat the House At Roulette | Popular Science

Predicting the outcome of roulette | Chaos

Interesting

Yeah years ago I made a lot of money from 'bonus hunting' where you'd use the online casino bonuses to your advantage by playing low house edge games like Blackjack, Casino Hold Em or Video Poker for example and you'd always play the optimal strategy (usually using 'bots') so that the odds were in your favor in the long run. You wouldn't win on EVERY bonus you played but in the long run you'd come out on top statistically. Was very lucrative and I was quite late at coming to the party people had been doing it years before me. Casinos caught on eventually and bonus terms became worse or bonuses were reduced to next to nothing, many casinos just refused to pay your winning citing 'bonus abuse' even though you'd played by all the rules (basically being smart and a winner got you labelled a bonus abuser) and it got to the point it wasn't worth it for most people in the end.

And yeah nearly all the major casinos are in off shore tax havens. They are not properly regulated and the few regulatory boards that are available are funded by the casinos themselves so are biased and rarely favor the player in disputes. If the casino decides not to pay you a large sum for whatever reason there's very little chance of getting your money back.

Multiple big name online casinos have done some very dodgy things in recent years including stealing money from players bank accounts after the casino messed up on their bonus terms without realising and lots of players made some serious cash from it. Players have taken them to court but the casinos just pay them off and silence them so you never get the true story in the end.

Not worth my time or effort these days though I knew a few people who still do it and make big money from it but they have the money to burn and are willing to take risks. Plus they play some quite advanced strategies that involve spending a lot of money to make small profits back (hopefully) but you run the risk of a casino refusing to pay or banning you when you've just had your big win and thousands of dollars can be wiped out just like that. Not for the faint hearted.

Hi Shane,

I agree: refund immediately. Yes, I certainly do that, when I'm allowed.

Trouble is, many folks are too coy to ask the seller for a refund (particularly when they know darn well it's a good product), so they go straight to PayPal, which means they have to wait for their money.

Warmest regards,

Paul

Yeah you had to play a lot of hands and complete the bonus terms before cash out but you'd only play bonuses where statistically you'd come out on top when playing optimal strategy. If you played correctly you could assume you'd only lose X amount of the bonus before completing the bonus terms and thus cash out your own deposit and what was left of the bonus. It's tricky to understand at first but quite a simple thing once you get your head round it.

Just heard that Nevada has legalised online gambling, might be time to dust off the bots.

Playing at a land based casino is a mugs game as it's just pure luck. Online you can have the odds in your favour if you're playing with the right bonus and the right game.

I occasionally end up in a real casino but I don't really like throwing money away for the sake of it.

Thanks for that - I am looking at JVZOO now, as the Click Bank commission rates are too high to me!

It seems the marketplace at JVZOO is down right now...will have to wait.

That does sound very easy, well done! I suppose that's why it didn't last? What a shame.

Making money in your sleep...nobody would object to that!