Warrior Members 'spamming' emails

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Has anybody had a recent spate of emails from Warrior Members in their inbox? It seems that they have gone through the Warrior Classifieds and grabbed as many email addresses as they possibly can. I know I have subscribed to no mailing lists through this email account as it is strictly for 'orders'. These aren't 'fly by night' marketers either, there are three one of them, but I am on their mailing lists on another email account. But 4 emails in a day, and I cant even unsubscribe when getting in touch *sigh*

Is this a common practice as I thought this went against anti-spam laws?
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  • Profile picture of the author ymest
    Yes, I have received them too! Two today! I am beginning to be seriously annoyed!!

    I haven't subscribed to any mailing list either! I just put them in my spam folder! I am sure that If I go "unsubscribe" from something I have not initially subscribed, I'll get 70 more of these nasty empty emails! Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Coby
      Originally Posted by ymest View Post

      Yes, I have received them too! Two today! I am beginning to be seriously annoyed!!

      I haven't subscribed to any mailing list either! I just put them in my spam folder! I am sure that If I go "unsubscribe" from something I have not initially subscribed, I'll get 70 more of these nasty empty emails! Good luck!
      Here's an easy way to fix that...

      If they are using Aweber or a service that lets you "edit" your email address then don't unsubscribe but instead change your email to something like "spam@spam.com"

      That should fix them up

      Cheers,
      Coby
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      • Profile picture of the author quamism
        Originally Posted by Coby View Post

        Here's an easy way to fix that...

        If they are using Aweber or a service that lets you "edit" your email address then don't unsubscribe but instead change your email to something like "spam@spam.com"

        That should fix them up

        Cheers,
        Coby
        Nice! I'll make sure to try this next time. I suppose this is a known honeypot?
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    • Profile picture of the author datingworld
      Originally Posted by ymest View Post

      Yes, I have received them too! Two today! I am beginning to be seriously annoyed!!

      I haven't subscribed to any mailing list either! I just put them in my spam folder! I am sure that If I go "unsubscribe" from something I have not initially subscribed, I'll get 70 more of these nasty empty emails! Good luck!
      True, if you don't initially subscribe to any email list, there is no need to unsubscribe ffrom them, Simply send them to your Spam List. Good for the list owner
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
    Yes I had that recently. I bought one product from someone and then got an email from another vendor who I never bought anything from before. The sad thing is the guy I bought something off is supposed to be a well known and respected marketer. Not by me anymore, he either sold my email or rented it. I unsubscribed straight away of course.

    I think generally speaking, overall this problem is getting worse and more widespread and people are hammering their lists with affiliate offers to make money. The crash and burn mentality that Kay King's thread was referring to recently.
    Not smart IMO!
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    • Profile picture of the author quamism
      Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

      Yes I had that recently. I bought one product from someone and then got an email from another vendor who I never bought anything from before. The sad thing is the guy I bought something off is supposed to be a well known and respected marketer. Not by me anymore, he either sold my email or rented it. I unsubscribed straight away of course.

      I think generally speaking, overall this problem is getting worse and more widespread and people are hammering their lists with affiliate offers to make money. The crash and burn mentality that Kay King's thread was referring to recently.
      Not smart IMO!
      You should out the person so we know to stay away from them.

      I have noticed this happing a lot lately and although I always unsubscribe and mark as spam the reality is they just take the same list to a different ESP and start sending again. There are so many ESPs now that don't require opt-in that they can continue to send email to you forever without an risk of retribution.

      If you used gmail start using +addressing for every email list you subscribe to. This way you will know without a doubt who is selling your email list.
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  • Profile picture of the author cratos
    Yeah that has happened to me before as well. Seems like they sell their list to others. I just send em to spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleGolemMedia
    Yup, getting the same thing. Doesn't matter if I delete them. 5 more so show up. It's very frustrating.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I've always gotten them. I just send them to spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
      They are special opt-in codes that split the names, and send them to all partnering vendors.

      How they got your email I don't get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author bkkmma
    Make sure you're marking it as spam, too, if they get too many spam complains they'll lose their mailing accounts. Not that it matters, if they're using throwaways.. Sigh.
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  • Profile picture of the author ckdaro
    Yeah, I've gotten a bunch of spam emails too.
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  • Profile picture of the author sodette1
    It's gotten so bad I can't even clean 'em all out daily.

    Scraped my e-mails from here and my main sites - spam me every day from
    half a dozen self hosted mailers, domains with privacy so you can't find out
    who they are, dozen different aliases... all the same crap emails.

    "Buy crap from my solo ad crap now! Click link below..."

    "Oh, you opted into our list so feel like an idiot and opt out
    if you want..."

    "Your special friend only looking out for you...
    Bunny"

    Makes me want to puke.

    I unsubscribe (if there even is an unsubscribe link)... end up on
    three more lists for every one I unsub from.

    I mark as junk through rules in my email program - but they keep
    changing the from address so I have to create many new rules daily.

    Now, I'm forwarding everything to spam@uce.gov - like that's going
    to do anything (they claim to get over 15,000 emails a day to the
    reporting system minimum).

    If I feel particularly frustrated - I forward them to my attorney along
    with $300 and he searches their hosting and email providers down
    and writes a nice letter. Unfortunately... it's expensive to waste money
    just to not get spammed.

    You may laugh - but I get over 300 emails a day - no less than 30 are
    these idiots who've obviously shared my email around as well.

    Why this is practiced or promoted as a way to do business, here as well,
    and how this is effective at all - I'll never understand.

    All I have to say is "Shame on these people..."

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  • Profile picture of the author GlenH
    Originally Posted by RyanGillam View Post

    Has anybody had a recent spate of emails from Warrior Members in their inbox? It seems that they have gone through the Warrior Classifieds and grabbed as many email addresses as they possibly can. I know I have subscribed to no mailing lists through this email account as it is strictly for 'orders'. These aren't 'fly by night' marketers either, there are three one of them, but I am on their mailing lists on another email account. But 4 emails in a day, and I cant even unsubscribe when getting in touch *sigh*

    Is this a common practice as I thought this went against anti-spam laws?
    I was noticing that myself in the last few days...

    I've started getting email to my Outlook Inbox, titled 'Dear Warrior Forum Member' and pitching all sorts of products.

    My guess is some sort of 'scraping' tool trolls through all the posts on this forum grabbing all the emails addresses it can.

    There's really no other way that I can see this happening, unless of course there's some sort of list swapping going on

    It has been annoying enough receiving multiple emails per day from members from whom I've purchased WSO's all pitching other WSO products.

    But this looks like it's all gone to another level
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    Originally Posted by RyanGillam View Post

    Has anybody had a recent spate of emails from Warrior Members in their inbox? It seems that they have gone through the Warrior Classifieds and grabbed as many email addresses as they possibly can. I know I have subscribed to no mailing lists through this email account as it is strictly for 'orders'. These aren't 'fly by night' marketers either, there are three one of them, but I am on their mailing lists on another email account. But 4 emails in a day, and I cant even unsubscribe when getting in touch *sigh*

    Is this a common practice as I thought this went against anti-spam laws?
    Yes, I did today, and the strange thing is, it was an address that is not associated with this forum.

    The only thing I can think that is going on here is some sort of malware, or phishing type deal. I didn't click them because I didn't request them, as it might do something dodgy to my computer if I did.
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    • Profile picture of the author ymest
      Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

      Yes, I did today, and the strange thing is, it was an address that is not associated with this forum.

      The only thing I can think that is going on here is some sort of malware, or phishing type deal. I didn't click them because I didn't request them, as it might do something dodgy to my computer if I did.
      I don't click or move my mouse either...except for the SPAM button! Mine come with a "re:attention warrior"! Or single names! Dodgy, dodgy!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author ymest
    Bammm!! Another 2! So annoying! Direct to trash!
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanGillam
    All coming from different gmail accounts. No way to unsubscribed, and to be frank, its getting annoying.
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    • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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      Originally Posted by RyanGillam View Post

      All coming from different gmail accounts. No way to unsubscribed, and to be frank, its getting annoying.
      Just mark it as spam
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    I here you there Ryan. I've been wondering the same thing lately. Some of the marketers I know but I also know that I didn't purposely get onto their lists.

    Also, there is one big-time WF marketer's list I can't unsubscribe from. I have been trying to for months without success. He is located here in the US so I'm surprised that spam doesn't bother him...
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Originally Posted by RyanGillam View Post

    Has anybody had a recent spate of emails from Warrior Members in their inbox? It seems that they have gone through the Warrior Classifieds and grabbed as many email addresses as they possibly can. I know I have subscribed to no mailing lists through this email account as it is strictly for 'orders'. These aren't 'fly by night' marketers either, there are three one of them, but I am on their mailing lists on another email account. But 4 emails in a day, and I cant even unsubscribe when getting in touch *sigh*

    Is this a common practice as I thought this went against anti-spam laws?
    Yes got a lot of spam from people scraping my email on the warrior forum.

    Worst thing is they tried to pass of as if they were from Warrior Plus system. Very deceitful email subjects (trying to insulate as if product downloads purchased or typical commission spam) as well. Simply reported all of them to spam so they never come in my inbox again. Can't imagine why someone would do that, just pisses others off.

    Was surprised initially as I didn't remember subscribing to them, thought maybe it might have been from some products purchased.

    Perhaps the Warrior forum can customize a script to automatically turn all email address into image text to avoid those scrapers
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  • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
    I have experienced the same thing. It is very annoying for me but not for the reasons mentioned above. I like to keep abreast of new things and don't mind people alerting me to ground braking products or services that I may not be aware of yet.

    However when you spend alot of money ,after being convinced you have bought the one ground breaking traffic suite of tools and methods from say a certain warrior only to get 5 emails a day from that warrior's organisation marketing a million other systems that his or her friends are offering that are now the real answer and better than the offer they sent me just yesterday, I start to doubt the quality of the very system that I purchased from them in the first place.

    I had been confident that I had spend £ several hundred putting my traffic system from 5 different providers together each specialising in a particular aspect. I can understand the affiliate concept and I am setting up affiliate marketing efforts as well.

    However , there is a way to do this and a way that undermines the credibility of my I initial purchases from those marketers. So after what seemed like the 1000th offer of the new traffic el dorado , I refunded quite a few purchases as well as unsubscribing from their lists but the offers still keep comming only with increasing intensity.

    They just will not get any further business from me. No I do not want to buy the new keyword research tool if the two seperate marketers who have been bombarding me that they have twisted the arm of their best bud to put this on the market, are reading this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    If you think they are scraping and can identify it as a member of the forum, send the proof to a moderator. Scraping emails like that is against the rules here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Plank
      Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

      If you think they are scraping and can identify it as a member of the forum, send the proof to a moderator. Scraping emails like that is against the rules here.
      I've already contacted Paul about it, but he's busy.

      It should be very easy to find out who it is. It's an affiliate of Igor Kheifets (and now Jeff Bode) with username "bigcashbaby" -- contact those vendors and get this guy's affiliate account shut down.

      You should also know that he is sending these emails out under "real" Warriors names such as Don Wilson, Mike & Rod... etc... shut this guy down now.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Robert,
        I've already contacted Paul about it, but he's busy.
        Tsk. Any time I refer to my "copious free time," you should assume it's a joke.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Well, that was pleasant. A whopping 2.5 hours after emailing him, I heard back from Gary at PaySpree. Seems the policy there is, and I quote, "immediate termination of account and permanent ban." The affiliate's account is no more.

          Thank you, sir.

          The response isn't surprising, but the speed is. It was around 2 AM his time when I sent that email. I expected to hear back tomorrow at the earliest, and a Friday response wouldn't have seemed too slow.

          "Permanent" is a word of some ambiguity these days, what with the availability of cheap tools for fraud by these creeps, but it is at least inconvenient for the spammer. And possibly more than that, if they value the opportunity to ever do business under their real name.

          This is an especially big issue with "instant pay" affiliate programs. When you see this stuff, report it as soon as possible. The less they make with the spam, the better.


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      • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
        Originally Posted by Robert Plank View Post

        I've already contacted Paul about it, but he's busy.

        It should be very easy to find out who it is. It's an affiliate of Igor Kheifets (and now Jeff Bode) with username "bigcashbaby" -- contact those vendors and get this guy's affiliate account shut down.

        You should also know that he is sending these emails out under "real" Warriors names such as Don Wilson, Mike & Rod... etc... shut this guy down now.
        Someone should post the headers to the email so it can be tracked down where the emails are being sent from. I have some free time to cause a hassle with the hosting company and their upstream providers, especially when it's causing a bad name for the Warrior Forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Uh.

    You guys may not be familiar with this...

    it's called...

    brace yourself for this one...

    the "UNSUBSCRIBE BUTTON".

    There. Problem solved.

    Do not pass go. Do not collect a $100.
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    • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
      Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

      Uh.

      You guys may not be familiar with this...

      it's called...

      brace yourself for this one...

      the "UNSUBSCRIBE BUTTON".

      There. Problem solved.

      Do not pass go. Do not collect a $100.
      Duh

      Some of us have already done the unsubscribe

      Duh
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

      Uh.

      You guys may not be familiar with this...

      it's called...

      brace yourself for this one...

      the "UNSUBSCRIBE BUTTON".

      There. Problem solved.

      Do not pass go. Do not collect a $100.
      Brace yourself for this one. Spammers don't have an unsubscribe button that actually unsubscribes you. In some cases, it alerts the spammer that they've got an active email account.

      I hit the spam button on two from the same person today and the third one still came through.

      http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigat...149181805.html
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Yep. They're being sent by a PaySpree affiliate with the username bigcashbaby. I've got an email out to Gary asking what his company's policy is on spamming affiliates.

        In regard to this comment:
        You guys may not be familiar with this...

        it's called...

        brace yourself for this one...

        the "UNSUBSCRIBE BUTTON".

        There. Problem solved.
        Why the hell should I have to unsubscribe from something I never asked for in the first place? Especially this sort of garbage email, from that sort of cheap excuse for a person?

        Email spammers are destructive parasites who need to be burned off the net like the leeches they are. Plain and simple.

        Anyway...

        Do you really think anyone sending spam that is designed to appear as though it came from the forum would actually unsubscribe you? I've had enough problems getting people who were using their real names to take me off lists. This clown is even using other members' names.


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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Yep. They're being sent by a PaySpree affiliate with the username bigcashbaby. I've got an email out to Gary asking what his company's policy is on spamming affiliates.
          This is the way to handle this situation. Whenever I get a spam email similar to the ones mentioned, I get the affiliate ID and report them to the network and to the seller, sending them a copy of the email, as well. Unless the network is run by an idiot, they will take care of this quickly.

          You want to shut down a spammer, the best way to do it is to make it unprofitable.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Tina,
            Unless the network is run by an idiot, they will take care of this quickly.
            At least one network that's popular with IMers has no "no spamming" policy posted where you can see it without signing up as a member, and no visible mechanism for reporting spam. I refuse to join someone's "club" just to tell them they've got lice.

            If I continue to get spam from them with no way to report it, (no, they don't have a working abuse@ address), I'm going to start pushing buttons with their upstream.


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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

      Uh.

      You guys may not be familiar with this...

      it's called...

      brace yourself for this one...

      the "UNSUBSCRIBE BUTTON".

      There. Problem solved.

      Do not pass go. Do not collect a $100.
      Brace yourself .... you just confirmed you have a valid email address and made it more valuable to the spammer and to other spammers they will now sell it to.

      This might be the worst thing you can do.

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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        This week I received an apology from a former Warrior member who was spamming and the hard lessons he learned.

        He lost his Warrior Forum account.

        He lost his ClickBank account.

        GoDaddy and his web host apparently ran him through the ringer.

        That's the problem with spam. Someone may be willing to follow the trail and file complaints with your email provider, your domain provider, your web host, PayPal, W+ / JVZoo / ClickBank / PaySpree, etc., and a forum moderator. If you are trying to get paid an affiliate commission you can be hunted down.

        Unfortunately, this spammer's apology blamed others and the company he bought the email list from. Based on my research I'm still waiting for a real apology that unconditionally accepts personal responsibility.

        If you want to take care of the spammer that is the subject of this thread, start making complaints.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    I've been receiving them too. It is obviously against CAN-SPAM rules but there isn't much we can do. These people just scrape these emails and use illegal spamming that send emails one by one from different gmail addresses (at least the ones I get). So even if you mark one as spam, there'll just be another person there to spam you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I think one of the problems is that somewhere along the line emails get sold. Half don't even have unsubscribe links, and by the time you you get around to unsubscribing to the ones that do, you are already have thousands in your inbox.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      I think one of the problems is that somewhere along the line emails get sold. Half don't even have unsubscribe links, and by the time you you get around to unsubscribing to the ones that do, you are already have thousands in your inbox.
      Emails get stolen, databases get hacked, some marketers are stupid...

      I got an email from someone about a year ago that didn't know how to use their own self-hosted email software. The accidentally attached their entire list as an attachment when trying to upload it to their software. So, every person on their list got a copy of the entire thing lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Alex,

      This time, it's not just about the spamming. The particular spambag in question is using a member's name in at least some spams, and is addressing the trash to "Warrior Members" and referring to WSOs.


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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Alex,

        This time, it's not just about the spamming. The particular spambag in question is using a member's name in at least some spams, and is addressing the trash to "Warrior Members" and referring to WSOs.


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        Yea that is a shady thing to do but I am not surprised, and people wonder why the FTC and Google hate Imer's so much :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
          Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

          ,and people wonder why the FTC and Google hate Imer's so much :rolleyes:
          Not sure they hate Internet marketers. Pretty sure they dislike it when spammers and others don't follow their rules.
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  • All email addresses will eventually receive spam, it's a given. Curious though, how do you know they came from here? Do they mention WF?
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  • Profile picture of the author freeadstime
    I guess spam does pay well, since they come up with solutions for any security step you take. Even Captcha doesn't stop them on one of my projects.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Robert,

    I clicked on your public profile and went to your contact info tab and your email address is right there clear as day for all to see.

    You guys need to help yourself first and foremost.

    Never list your email address on ANY website. Period. Also don't think putting (at) and (dot) instead of @ and . will prevent anything. All the spam bots and email harvesters know those tricks so the answer is to not put your email address online in any form at all.

    If you do you are only asking for these spam emails.

    Yes, I know people shouldn't be harvesting emails but lets face it, we all know they do. So if you want to prevent yourself from getting rubbish emails then don't be posting your email address on one of the most visited forums on the Internet.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Plank
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Robert,

      I clicked on your public profile and went to your contact info tab and your email address is right there clear as day for all to see. What do you expect?

      You guys need to help yourself first and foremost.

      Never list your email address on ANY website. Period. Also don't think putting (at) and (dot) instead of @ and . will prevent anything. All the spam bots and email harvesters know those tricks so the answer is to not put your email address online in any form at all.

      If you do you are only asking for these spam emails.

      Yes, I know people shouldn't harvest emails but lets face it, we all know they do. If you want to prevent yourself from getting rubbish emails then don't be posting your email address on one of the most visited forums on the Internet.

      What did you guys really think would happen?
      Will,

      Please look at my post just above yours.

      That email is not used, it is only a honeypot for warrior spammers.

      Luckily this guy's affiliate accounts are being shut down one by one so he won't be making any more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    I got the disgusting emails, The biggest question IS! That how they got our email addresses?

    We only gave our email addresses when we signed up On the warrior forum And this leads to another question that do they have access to WF database or someone is giving them access?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      And this leads to another question that do they have access to WF database or someone is giving them access?
      Not from the forum database. I am certain of that, as I have accounts with different email addresses that no-one has any reason to associate with me, for just this reason. None of those have received any of these spams.

      It could be from within forum posts or links to your site(s) if the addresses are on those sites.

      It could be someone trading or selling customer or subscriber lists. That happens. Spammers, by definition, don't really have a lot in the way of scruples.

      Someone could have hacked the database of a seller and grabbed the addresses that way.

      Hard to say for sure what happened, as there are so many possibilities.


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    • Profile picture of the author livo
      Another way to try and stop the spammers is by the mods deleting all posts regarding email scrapers and I have also seen some Scraper bots being sold on the special offers forum.That does not seem quite right.
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      • I have the same issue - I get 150+ emails per day - several from [read rule number 1]. Doen't matter how ofter I unsubcribe they just keep coming. I read on the forum that he is the king of list building. My arse - more like the king of spamming!!
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    I am also getting 20-30 such emails daily , sending them to spam folder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Faisal66
    Mee too...

    Seems sending them to Spam folder is the only option...

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  • Profile picture of the author OldLodgeSkins
    After reading the messages here, I guess I should consider myself lucky with "only" a couple of these e-mails per day...
    I didn't subscribe to anything either. I sent an unsubscribe request to one of them but I have no idea if that will have any effect at all. I just mark them as spam, after some time Thunderbird's filter should recognize them automatically and I won't even see them anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrock
    I agree we should out the guys.

    I simply mark them as spam and after doing this a few times Gmail always sends them to the spam folder... but still not a solution as they always come back with a new email ID.
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  • Profile picture of the author conqueror
    I`ve got those annoying emails as well. Some of them don`t have unsubscribe button, some of them, when you click this button, go to a confusing page suggesting such a long process that you wish to quit and forget about that.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
      The ultimate way to not have to deal with any of this is to use junk mail accounts for every public site, social platform, purchase, memberships, etc etc etc you are on. keep your biz and private mails PRIVATE

      it is a nuisance to have to go through privacy measures like these but that's what the world is like - and it will get a lot worse as the "3:rd world" comes online where a single affiliate sale can mean a weeks food on the table.

      disentangle yourself from spam - just create a bunch of massivecrapaccounts @ gmail.com and use those in every situation where you know you will get spammed.
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