If You're Wondering Whether to Use Mailchimp, This is For You

by Denden
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I've seen on this forum some people asking/talking about using Mailchimp to build a list because it's free [although the autoresponder isn't]. What you may not realise is that they don't allow affiliate marketers to use their service. If that's the business you're in, stay away! In fact, this is what they say:

Also, there are some industries that send certain types of content that result in higher than normal bounce rates and abuse complaints, which in turn jeopardize the deliverability of our entire system. No offense intended, but because we must ensure the highest delivery rates possible for all our customers, we do not allow businesses that offer these types of services, products, or content:
  • Illegal goods or services
  • Escort and dating services
  • Pharmaceutical products
  • Work from home, Internet Lead-gen, Make money on online opportunities, etc.
  • Online trading, day trading tips, or stock market related content
  • Gambling services, products or gambling education
  • Multi-level marketing
  • Affiliate marketers
  • Credit repair, get-out-of-debt content
  • Mortgages and/or Loans
  • Nutritional Supplements, Herbal Supplements or Vitamin Supplements
  • Pornography or nudity in content
  • Adult novelty items or references in content
  • List brokers or List rental services
  • Marketing or sending commercial email without proper permission
Just a little FYI
#mailchimp #wondering
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    In short, mailchimp is almost useless for IMers...unless they allow affiliate-related emails.
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    • Profile picture of the author Denden
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      In short, mailchimp is almost useless for IMers...unless they allow affiliate-related emails.
      In one word...exactly!
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    • Profile picture of the author PeterKnight
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      In short, mailchimp is almost useless for IMers...unless they allow affiliate-related emails.
      That's very shortsighted. It would be more accurate to say that it is unsuitable for affiliate marketers. That's a good thing for the service as it can offer an unparalleled free plan by keeping out users that compromise the ability to maintain a strong service. Having users send emails that get a lot of spam complaints hurts the deliverability for all users.

      Every real online business does internet marketing (making all business owners 'im-ers' in a sense) and Mailchimp is a great solution if you're marketing your own products and those products aren't in categories that are commonly associated with high risk/shady/spammy markets. That's the most important thing to remember when opting for Mailchimp. In fact, if you are just marketing your own business, it's almost a no-brainer to go with Mailchimp. I've found it much better than the other popular services that IM'ers often use, such as aweber, getresponse etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    You couldn't pay me to use Mailchimp.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I do not like how they run their business and their customer support has been atrocious! The thread that Alexa alone is just a TIP of the iceberg.

    Don't get me started on their delivery rates. If anyone really does their due diligence on this company I couldn't see why you would use them, especially with the plethora of better options that are out there.

    I can't believe I'm writing this but you'd be much better off using ARP and then using a smtp service (like smtp.com) to send your e-mails, just saying......

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    • Profile picture of the author PeterKnight
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      I do not like how they run their business and their customer support has been atrocious! The thread that Alexa alone is just a TIP of the iceberg.

      Don't get me started on their delivery rates. If anyone really does their due diligence on this company I couldn't see why you would use them, especially with the plethora of better options that are out there.

      I can't believe I'm writing this but you'd be much better off using ARP and then using a smtp service (like smtp.com) to send your e-mails, just saying......

      RoD
      What's a better option if you're brick and mortar business, or solely marketing your own products, doing a saas, selling software or virtual items, or you're in an info marketing niche? I don't see that many good services.

      IM's much bigger than aff marketing. And to be frank they would probably pay to keep out users that use the words traffic viagra as a moniker, as catchy as it sounds.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by PeterKnight View Post

        What's a better option if you're brick and mortar business, or solely marketing your own products, doing a saas, selling software or virtual items, or you're in an info marketing niche? I don't see that many good services.
        Hands down any of the better ones such as Aweber, iContact, etc. Much better run businesses. I consult with many offline businesses and I recommend those, never do I recommend MailChimp.

        IM's much bigger than aff marketing. And to be frank they would probably pay to keep out users that use the words traffic viagra as a moniker, as catchy as it sounds.
        I'm aware of that, I never said it was, not sure where you got that inference from. Can you quote me where I wrote that?

        And my tagline here has nothing to do with this topic. I mean, really, is that all you've got?

        It doesn't change the fact that Mailchimp is not a good option compared to what's out there. I don't like the way they run their business, I didn't like it when I used it, and I don't like them now.

        Please tell me you've got something more than just my catchy tagline (thanks for noticing btw).

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        • Profile picture of the author PeterKnight
          Rod, I'm just trying to raise a point that their policies make sense for the service that they offer and that for certain businesses Mailchimp is an excellent option.

          Once you get past their policy re: aff marketing what is about how they run their business that is bad? Personally I haven't had to deal with support, nor have my clients as far as I know - so I can't speak to how good they are in that respect. Their support reports a 89% happiness rating, if you're willing to believe their annual report.

          I've dealt with quite a few newsletter services via clients and have personally used a couple as well (before signing up to Mailchimp). I have been anything but blown away by other vendors, in fact before I came across Mailchimp my typical experience with newsletter vendors was one of boiling frustration.

          I don't believe Aweber is better even though you can do more aggressive marketing with their service. I stopped recommending them years ago. They were not consistently transparent with security breaches, it's harder to import lists, when I used them their API was limited (I'm sure that's better now though), you couldn't pause a subscription and hope to get your list back. I didn't particularly like how they run their business for those reasons. Feature by feature, I would take Mailchimp all day, these guys are innovating in this space (for an idea, just have a look at their blog archives).

          The truth is that sending email campaigns for a wide variety of users is not a trivial thing, all vendors have complaints, such as deliverability issues. There's a reason IM gurus are constantly switching vendors. Massive lists + aggressive marketing will stress any provider.

          Anecdotal quotes about deliverability are pretty hard to judge whatever service is being used, because readers won't know the quality of the list and the type of emails that were being set. If you have traffic viagra as a byline, it says you have both a good sense of humor but you probably send the kinds of emails that trigger the occasional spam complaint. Is that unfair to say?

          It's hard to find out the facts about email deliverability in that respect. Switching vendors is a pain, it sucks having to find out by trial and error, but that's a problem regarding the industry as a whole from a customer perspective. I would go with the company with the most trust indicators and for me Mailchimp's transparent blog, responsible policies, constant improvements and just the mere fact that I can see the photos of actual employees works vs the typical faceless competitor (Smtp for example).

          Mailchimp has scaled well - they report having 2+ million users - in part because of their restrictive policy. I think that's a big key to their success and it applies to most people's businesses as well (being selective about clients has done well in my business).

          Given the Mailchimp bashing, I think it's worthwhile to give a bit of perspective, because I think most of the 'hate' comes down to a dislike or misunderstanding with their policies, not the product itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Velant
    point taken, but I never thought of using them anyway
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    lol, what's left to mail about?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fang
    MailChimp's good to use, but if you have to pay... well, go with Aweber (if you're in business).
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  • Profile picture of the author seattlecathy
    Re Mailchimp - this was posted on their site about affiliate links - apparently they are OK if they're not on a blacklist; as they say, almost anything gets banned and usually fixed fast (e.g., bit.ly):
    Does MailChimp Ban Affiliate Links? | MailChimp.com

    My problems with AWeber are
    (1) It was hard to import lists - you just get one reminder
    (2) They work by the list, not the subscriber. So if I have one subscriber who is on 10 lists, I pay for 10 subscribers! I have people opting in via several offers and sometimes people want more than one offer. I also like to have people sign up for certain calls so I can track who's interested.I'd have to create an app which is another layer of hassle.
    This is absolutely infuriating: they consolidate lists for broadcasts so why not for billing?
    And why should you have to manually remove the unsubcribes?
    Their cutoff points are very low; I could understand if they had a flat rate for up to 10K subscribers.
    (3) People have to optin and confirm for EVERY list.
    (4) Creating a message is a hassle with the "Lorem ipsum" text. I figured out how to bypass for broadcasts. It seems like there's a lot overhead in starting.

    I think AWeber is great if you have lists that are completely isolated from each other and/or an assistant who knows AWeber inside out and does everything.

    I'm also considering Constant Contact.
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    • Profile picture of the author OnlineStoreHelp
      I haven't used Icontact yet but frankly, for offline and ecommerce, MailChimp is fantastic. I have ZERO issues with deliverability, it integrates with practically every shopping cart on the planet and is a dream to use compared to Constant Contact. Add on top of that, for brick and mortar, you know the whole fishbowl, throw your card in, you can then import that list without an optin email going out.

      What don't I like? Their light box pop up is ugly as sin, especially compared to aweber.

      I use Aweber for my IM type businesses and MailChimp for my offline businesses. Self hosted email is just not for me or my customers at this time especially if you are using a shared hosting provider. Heck even Amazon SES limits you to 50 at a time.

      Like I have always said, right tool at the right time for the right customer at the right price. Mailchimp is not the way to go for IM'ers.
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    • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
      Originally Posted by seattlecathy View Post

      Re Mailchimp - this was posted on their site about affiliate links - apparently they are OK if they're not on a blacklist; as they say, almost anything gets banned and usually fixed fast (e.g., bit.ly):
      Does MailChimp Ban Affiliate Links? | MailChimp.com

      My problems with AWeber are
      (1) It was hard to import lists - you just get one reminder
      (2) They work by the list, not the subscriber. So if I have one subscriber who is on 10 lists, I pay for 10 subscribers! I have people opting in via several offers and sometimes people want more than one offer. I also like to have people sign up for certain calls so I can track who's interested.I'd have to create an app which is another layer of hassle.
      This is absolutely infuriating: they consolidate lists for broadcasts so why not for billing?
      And why should you have to manually remove the unsubcribes?
      Their cutoff points are very low; I could understand if they had a flat rate for up to 10K subscribers.
      (3) People have to optin and confirm for EVERY list.
      (4) Creating a message is a hassle with the "Lorem ipsum" text. I figured out how to bypass for broadcasts. It seems like there's a lot overhead in starting.

      I think AWeber is great if you have lists that are completely isolated from each other and/or an assistant who knows AWeber inside out and does everything.

      I'm also considering Constant Contact.
      I found that mail chimp explanation as clear as mud.

      To paraphrase, "affiliate marketing okay, affiliate marketers" not okay makes no sense to me.

      Surely an "affiliate marketer" (not okay) is smpy somebody doing "affiliate marketing" (okay), and vice-versatile.
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      • Profile picture of the author Peoney
        But why is the name internet marketing, affiliate marketing become bad? It is not. Big corporation big bussinesses do internet marketing and affiliate marketing. It's only when done by small people like you and me becomes like a bad word. Big company advertise a product for a commission. Affiliate marketers do the same thing. I'm sure there are bad people who might abuse the Internet but Affiliate marketing/Internet marketing itself is not bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author GetExperienced
    Never use a nonsense paid "white listing" service like that. They want to make sure they stay "untouched virgins" in regards to spam complaints and such (even if they are unwarranted) and honestly you just need your own client and SMTPS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Fleming
    I avoid any and all of the major AR companies as I prefer to be in total control of my list and what is and isn't allowed to happen with it. That said I had a need to integrate an RSS feed to email type service and my self-hosted solution, while great, didn't allow it.

    So I looked around and found MailChimp allow 2k of emails for free and offer the RSS to email service. I set it up in a matter of hours... which would have been quicker except I also wanted to have signups added to my self-hosted solution so had to write a script.

    Now people can sign up on my non-im related site, get sent a nicely formatted newsletter whenever new content is added to the site... AND receive a nice free gift from me too.

    A win-win all round. So while MailChimp may or may not be the ideal solution for all... it does have it's uses

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