Do Affiliates Really Have to Suck this Much?

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I received a message from someone wanting approved to promote one of my products. He said he already had a review video on YouTube and now wanted an affiliate link.

Thinking it was a customer I of course began searching for my product + review to find the video.

There are a couple videos posted under different YouTube accounts. The "gameplan" being taught, which both are following, is to have the name of the product briefly appear on the video and then there are a couple minutes of just a static picture saying to click on the link below in the description. The link is where the affiliate link will go.

There is no review. Just a black and white picture saying to click a link. Probably took a push of button to create the video then off to push a button for the next "review" video.

So I decided to look at a few "review" web pages affiliates have put up. Biggest bunch of junk I've ever seen. Can't believe I hadn't done this type of review before so I know what affiliates not to approve.

At best, web pages have a paragraph from my sales page with an affiliate link where it says to get more information. Others just have the title of the product followed by a link. The web site is just a swamp of brief paragraphs about WSO after WSO after WSO.

This suckiness is why so many affiliate marketers fail and wonder why they can't make a dime online.

I could walk over to the local junior high, pass out my sales page and ask someone to create a review from it and get back pages a million times more informative, valuable, and likely to convert.

I didn't realize basic anti-suckiness was so lacking.

Affiliates wonder why they get banned from YouTube and other places?

As a product owner I do not want to be associated with garbage affiliates because people see that mess and it degrades the product.

Folks, being an affiliate is more than trying to spew out a page with as little effort as possible praying someone clicks on your link. I am not even talking about spammed pages where there is content - as that is a lot better than just a picture running for 2 minutes in a "video" saying to click a link.

It means (1) giving someone a reason to visit your page, (2) giving them a reason to read what you have to say, (3) giving them a reason why they should click on your affiliate link and buy the product.

Here are some, what I thought were obvious, tips for doing this:

- Get the product so you can explain in your own words what benefits it has provided to you and will provide to your readers. This allows you to create your own screen shots / graphics / video to highlight the value.

As a general rule, the affiliates who have my products have higher conversions and make more money than those that do not.

- If you don't have the product at least take some time to understand what the product is about so you can add your insights to your "review" about how the product can be helpful.

- In WarriorPlus, when a merchant like me offers instant commissions one reason is not merely the ease of payment, but because that option allows affiliates to include their own bonus if their link is clicked. That provides extra value and an incentive for someone to make a purchase.

- Have a tiny bit of pride and create a useful web page or video you would be proud to show your mother.

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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Yep, this seems to be the new rage with WSO's. I am getting about 10 or so requests from these Youtube affiliates each week now. I'm not sure if someone has recently put out a product detailing this method for people to use, but it don't work with the top product vendors. I have declined all of them.

    These are not the sort of affiliates we want or need in our industry. An affiliate is someone who should add sales you would otherwise not get. These affiliates main objective is to rank videos over your own product website so they are actually taking sales you would otherwise be getting yourself... and they wonder why everyone is declining their affiliate requests.

    The videos are very poor quality also. Usually just a screenshot and nothing else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Yep, this seems to be the new rage with WSO's. I am getting about 10 or so requests from these Youtube affiliates each week now. I'm not sure if someone has recently put out a product detailing this method for people to use, but it don't work with the top product vendors. I have declined all of them.

      These are not the sort of affiliates we want or need in our industry. An affiliate is someone who should add sales you would otherwise not get. These affiliates main objective is to rank videos over your own product website so they are actually taking sales you would otherwise be getting yourself... and they wonder why everyone is declining their affiliate requests.
      Yes someone has put out a WSO Course using this method I purchased it. It might have worked for him but now because dozens if not hundreds of other marketers are replicating his idea, Google is getting spammed with these videos. I actually like the course but tweaked it for my own personal use and didn't follow the herd and the WSO route.
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Originally Posted by Stevie C View Post

        Yes someone has put out a WSO Course using this method I purchased it. It might have worked for him but now because dozens if not hundreds of other marketers are replicating his idea, Google is getting spammed with these videos. I actually like the course but tweaked it for my own personal use and didn't follow the herd and the WSO route.
        Can you send Paul Myers a link to the WSO?

        This type of deceptive advertising, and what is really spam, appears to violate YouTube's terms.

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        • Profile picture of the author J Bold
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Can you send Paul Myers a link to the WSO?

          This type of deceptive advertising, and what is really spam, appears to violate YouTube's terms.

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          It's not clear to me that the method is to make a completely no content video.

          The WSO may have said to do an actual review and most buyers are just taking the lazy route, as is often the case.

          Then again it may be as you suspect.

          Would like clarification on that.
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          • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
            Originally Posted by J Bold View Post

            It's not clear to me that the method is to make a completely no content video.

            The WSO may have said to do an actual review and most buyers are just taking the lazy route, as is often the case.

            Then again it may be as you suspect.

            Would like clarification on that.
            Two different affiliates using the same strategy, making almost identical videos, is suspicious. Will says he has 10. That's to the point of not even being suspicious.

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            • Profile picture of the author J Bold
              Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

              Two different affiliates using the same strategy, making almost identical videos, is suspicious. Will says he has 10. That's to the point of not even being suspicious.

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              He has 10 affiliate requests. He didn't say anything about the type of videos or if he'd seen any. edit: Nevermind I guess he did.

              But I thought only one video from one affiliate was seen. I agree, if it's clear they are all making the same type of videos, that's pretty crappy.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Stevie C View Post

        Yes someone has put out a WSO Course using this method I purchased it. It might have worked for him but now because dozens if not hundreds of other marketers are replicating his idea, Google is getting spammed with these videos. I actually like the course but tweaked it for my own personal use and didn't follow the herd and the WSO route.
        I thought as much because it literally only just started happening the last few weeks. That explains it...
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    • Profile picture of the author bbjumpman
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Yep, this seems to be the new rage with WSO's. I am getting about 10 or so requests from these Youtube affiliates each week now. I'm not sure if someone has recently put out a product detailing this method for people to use, but it don't work with the top product vendors. I have declined all of them.

      These are not the sort of affiliates we want or need in our industry. An affiliate is someone who should add sales you would otherwise not get. These affiliates main objective is to rank videos over your own product website so they are actually taking sales you would otherwise be getting yourself... and they wonder why everyone is declining their affiliate requests.

      The videos are very poor quality also. Usually just a screenshot and nothing else.
      Yes, there is some WSO out there telling people to do this. I'd have to look back to find the exact one, as I can't remember off the top of my head.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        It might have worked for him
        ...for a month or so. Then he could just write it up and sell it as a WSO and make more money from that than he did from the original scammy idea.

        Not much new there, I'm afraid.
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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi Kay,

          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          ...for a month or so. Then he could just write it up and sell it as a WSO and make more money from that than he did from the original scammy idea.

          Not much new there, I'm afraid.
          Remember that bloke we discussed in another thread recently, sending lots of emails to primary paypal addresses (most likely from a WSO buyer's list - and I don't think I've bought off him, so it's someone elses buyer's list he's sending to I think) - well while we're talking about sucky affiliates here, got another one from him today, it seems that each one has an unsubscribe url that is on a different domain.

          So I would guess that he's self-hosting the autoresponder on a new domain for each blast, then reloading the same list onto the new one (so even if you unsubscribe, you are back on the 'new' list.)

          His emails say this -

          Sent ONLY to Verified PayPal Customers. If you no longer
          want our product updates, please click the INSTANT removal
          link below.
          The 'product updates' part is a chuckle, I have no idea which product because there are no updates in the email, just six links to six different products that I won't be clicking or buying. Here's the 'product update' -

          [IT'S LIVE] AUTOMATED G+, FB and Twitter Software Gets My 5 Star Rating!

          Want to know how to really drive fast, free & automated traffic using social media?
          Nope.

          I might start looking up the WSO sellers he's promoting and letting them know that this tosser is continually spamming my primary paypal email in this manner and that I don't think I've ever bought off him.

          I guess I'll have to change primary paypal email (again) thanks to the delights of the WSO section. Thankfully, I don't waste time/money in there anymore so I might be able to stick with the new addy for a while.

          Do Affiliates Really Have to Suck this Much?
          Yep, if it can be automated then some bright spark will be playing the numbers game.

          Originally Posted by phowell23 View Post

          WSO of the day....
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Looks like the idea is to make the video so abhorrent the viewer will click to get out of there.

    Marketing genius.
    It worked for Adsense. For a while... (cue theme from Jaws)

    As for the question in the subject line?

    Yes, Brian, some of them really do have to suck that much. Nature gave them no other choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    I'm sorry to hear that. It happens a lot from my understanding, so that's why it's important to have a good "affiliate resources" page where you lay down some ground rules about what you can and cannot do as an affiliate. Won't solve the problem outright, but it will certainly help, especially since a lot of publishers have really shoddy affiliate pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    Yeah, I got a similar one with a screenshot of the sales page, and a sound track behind it.

    I have no idea how this would ever work, unless of course the person was already going to buy, and lands on the sales page, which is convincing enough for them to buy on the spot.

    Not really the idea of a review. Only a case of time before we get algorithm updates that eliminate this sort of thing too...
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I've noticed a lot of these "I have already made a Youtube video reviewing your product please approve me as an affiliate" messages but they are all from people who have next to no posts so I deny them. Googling my product names I see some really bad videos either promoting my product or saying NOT to buy it and to buy something else instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      I've noticed a lot of these "I have already made a Youtube video reviewing your product please approve me as an affiliate" messages but they are all from people who have next to no posts so I deny them. Googling my product names I see some really bad videos either promoting my product or saying NOT to buy it and to buy something else instead.
      Or worse, they simply steal your videos and upload them under their own accounts.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I have the same problem.

    I've recently set my commission to 1% and removed my products from the marketplace.

    Hopefully the crap will drop off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      I have the same problem.

      I've recently set my commission to 1% and removed my products from the marketplace.

      Hopefully the crap will drop off.
      I did something similar, maybe I will make mine 1% also.....
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

        I did something similar, maybe I will make mine 1% also.....
        Affiliates make up less than 5% of my sales. I'll gladly give that up to keep my sanity. Its the payment processing I want.

        1% commission it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    People have been stealing my YT videos for ages. I like to think it's because they are so awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    Affiliates should always purchase your product if they are going to promote it, in my honest opinion.

    It would be great if this was a requirement in order to be approved as an affiliate for all affiliate market places.

    It would cut down on shoddy affiliates, and it would increase revenue for the vendor and it would improve affiliate marketing 100% .

    I know of several products that will not approve you to be an affiliate unless you first own the product legally.....then they have to approve your method of marketing, web page etc......

    I love the above idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author phowell23
    The WSO is called Project X Tube: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...utes-less.html

    I honestly never used Youtube marketing before, however this year I wanted to add that to my collection. This WSO works. However, I agree, it spams Google and Youtube. I created a few of these videos, made a few $, but now I'm switching it up some and creating better videos with more product information in the video while still using a few of the ideas in the WSO. Unfortunetly, it's rough when you spend awhile making a nice product information video then seeing it get outranked by these similar spam like videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author gene Morris
    funny.. I was just thinking about this deceiving, garbage amateur, tactic that helps no one and clogs up the inner webs... What goes through these lazy bums minds? how about trying to add value for a change...
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      I bought a WSO over two years ago (I don't recall the name) that suggested the static picture for 30 seconds and a blurb like "Youtube keeps taking down my videos, click the link below."

      There were multiple "methods" and niches suggested for using these videos.

      So this is nothing recent. Perhaps just the affiliate ploy is new.
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      Are they making you money? Yay or Nay?
      Short sited thinking from someone who obviously has no reputation to protect.
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      • Profile picture of the author gene Morris
        Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

        Short sited thinking from someone who obviously has no reputation to protect.
        You said it... Reputation to protect.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Excellent post.

          The same applies to people who reel off emails in this format every day or so:

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          If you are shooting it out to people, then you should know a little more yourself surely for the sake of being moral and being able to pre-sell effectively.

          Have some respect for your list!
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          • Profile picture of the author phowell23
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            Excellent post.

            The same applies to people who reel off emails in this format every day or so:

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            If you are shooting it out to people, then you should know a little more yourself surely for the sake of being moral and being able to pre-sell effectively.

            Have some respect for your list!
            LOL Yes, I love the emails I get that all say "my good friend ____ just released this software. Check it out.".
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    • Profile picture of the author davezan
      Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

      Do you know what?

      I don't know why so many people are bothered.

      Affiliates can drive you sales for FREE.

      What is the problem here?

      Someone putting up sh*t sites?

      Are they making you money? Yay or Nay?
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      • Profile picture of the author davezan
        Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey View Post

        But what I'm saying is, affiliates can drive you sales for FREE and that is a far cry from saying it's okay to lie your ass off and rip off people and treat them like idiots with "full of crap" sales video's promising push button riches.
        I doubt anyone's arguing that. Quoting some parts of Brian's OP, though:

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        There is no review. Just a black and white picture saying to click a link. Probably took a push of button to create the video then off to push a button for the next "review" video.

        ...

        So I decided to look at a few "review" web pages affiliates have put up. Biggest bunch of junk I've ever seen.

        ...

        As a product owner I do not want to be associated with garbage affiliates because people see that mess and it degrades the product.

        Folks, being an affiliate is more than trying to spew out a page with as little effort as possible praying someone clicks on your link. I am not even talking about spammed pages where there is content - as that is a lot better than just a picture running for 2 minutes in a "video" saying to click a link.

        It means (1) giving someone a reason to visit your page, (2) giving them a reason to read what you have to say, (3) giving them a reason why they should click on your affiliate link and buy the product.
        Unless I'm mistaken somehow, the thing there is some people expect or trust
        to find some value reading or watching a supposed product review. They are
        essentially taking a chance trusting the affiliate and/or the product owner to
        deliver on what's reviewed (and advertised).

        When some people see junk, they might...might...then lose their trust in similar
        sites that otherwise are working hard at winning that trust to begin with. The
        times we live in, trust is a rather fleeting commodity.

        Just an observation, though. Whatever works for you, and cheers.
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        • Profile picture of the author GlenH
          So many so called affiliates are utterly hopeless!

          I have about 400 affiliates ( yes...400) who've signup over time to sell my one my products (not a WSO)

          I have all their names and contact emails, and even though I have a massive affiliate resources page, with all sorts of helpful marketing resources, 97% of them still end up doing nothing to market the product.

          I've also always made it a point to keep in regular contact with all my affiliates, but when I email them to provide them with added help and advice , only about 10 % can even be bothered opening the emails.

          What's even more flabbergasting is that I have affiliates who signup, and then they email me saying ......"ok, I've signed up to your product, now what do I"

          I could go on about this but I'd better stop now, before my blood pressure rises
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    Maybe an idea to fight this would be for you to put out a couple of review videos affiliates could use.

    this would be easier for them to copy a link than to go through the trouble of making a crappy video.

    Just thinking out load...

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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    You cannot control your affiliates. They do whatever they want, not only with videos. You may dislike their work, but it is obvious for the public that this is their work and they are using your products to make money. This is not your work, so you don’t have to really care about what they are doing.

    Some affiliates help you sell your products; other affiliates make you hope that nobody will see their pages promoting your products this way.

    You cannot control anyone online.

    People steal your articles and publish them in their websites with their links, they change your words including the content they want among your paragraphs, they use your name in their domain to get traffic…

    There is nothing you can do about that; you cannot waste your time trying to correct other people’s mistakes.








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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You cannot control your affiliates. They do whatever they want, not only with videos. You may dislike their work, but it is obvious for the public that this is their work and they are using your products to make money. This is not your work, so you don't have to really care about what they are doing.
      I don't agree. You have the ability to approve an affiliate or not. If you choose blanket approval of anyone who wants to be an affiliate, you lose control.

      It is not obvious to the public that a video or sales page is an affiliate site - you would be surprised how many people don't understand the affiliate method. IMers would see is as "affiliate" - but other buyers would not.

      An affiliate who is using cheap, easy methods just to get a link in front of people's faces can cheapen the reputation of YOUR brand. Many people don't mind as long as the sales trickle in - but those who produce good, long term products don't see it that way.
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