To All The Guys With Websites

by livo
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Other than when i first started i use Wordpress for all my sites now.I used the free Weebly sites for the first three or four months and i actually had a few sales!

Eventually i turned to Wordpress and have used it ever since.

I would just like some views on what other types of website software is out there that is as good or better than Wordpress or if there is anyone who plainly refuses to use Wordpress and for what reason?
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  • Profile picture of the author thedark
    If you use self hosted wordpress, you must be insane to change.
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    • Profile picture of the author jroutier
      As a heavy mac user, I use Iweb quite a bit for building websites. Now let me say that I manipulate the hell out of it meaning I start with one of their templates as a base but completely redesign everything. I create many of the layers in Photoshop and then bring into Iweb in pieces. The software is great for users who aren't fantastic with actually writing & programming code. It's a WYSIWYG editor and so it's easy to get everything just like you want it. Couple of things to note - it has some flaws in the way of shadows and opacity features displaying properly in IE & Chrome browsers so it's best to build those as a complete image in Photoshop and bring into Iweb. Combine Iweb with Iweb SEO Tool and HTML Optimizer and you'll be all set. Have made a lot of headway with SEO in particular.
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    • Profile picture of the author sabatek
      Originally Posted by thedark View Post

      If you use self hosted wordpress, you must be insane to change.

      I agree. I rank much higher on Alexa and Google with a self hosted Wordpress site then any other.
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  • Yep I'm with 'thedark' Wordpress is just the standard these days, so flexible and easy to setup! It just makes everything a lot quicker to get up and running.

    There are things like Joomla and Drupal but I have never tried them myself. I have a friend that has been developing a site in Drupal for the past 3 years and it has been a complete PITA but then it is quite a complex model he is trying to create!

    My opinion is to stick with Wordpress or go to HTML if you know it well enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sam Fitz
      Originally Posted by simondoddmarketing View Post

      Yep I'm with 'thedark' Wordpress is just the standard these days, so flexible and easy to setup! It just makes everything a lot quicker to get up and running.
      I have to agree with Simon here. I love Wordpress for it's ease of use. There are abundant plugins freely available on the web for it to fulfill a variety of specialized purposes, including increasing SEO and search engine exposure of your content.

      I design my websites in Dreamweaver, or just hard code in Notepad depending on what it is, but for blogs I always resort to Wordpress. It's just my trusted resource in that department.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    I use only self-hosted WordPress. Am very happy with it. Can't be beat for all kinds of sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
      Self-hosted WP for main blog/website, and DW8 web editor (html/wysiwyg) for sales, landing, and download pages
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    Originally Posted by livo View Post

    Other than when i first started i use Wordpress for all my sites now.I used the free Weebly sites for the first three or four months and i actually had a few sales!

    Eventually i turned to Wordpress and have used it ever since.

    I would just like some views on what other types of website software is out there that is as good or better than Wordpress or if there is anyone who plainly refuses to use Wordpress and for what reason?
    I like Drupal and Joomla, both of them could be turning into a more complex websites by touching their codes.

    I don't like WordPress while I'm building the complex websites because it needs to write a lot of functions in order to make something that we called custom post type. Yes, we could use plugin to accomplish that, but it still not enough flexible.

    Yet, I still use WordPress as in IM world, there is no need to build a complex sites though.
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    I can't say I've found any CMS that even compares to Wordpress. It has such a following and the wordpress community is amazing.

    All the plugins, tools, themes, etc. that are created exclusively for Wordpress websites sell Wordpress as your stand alone CMS easily.

    I don't know how long you've given Wordpress, but unless you like to dive into major coding and make a website from scratch (been there, done that, no fun...), or there are some major flaws you notice with it, I would recommend sticking with it and learning everything you can about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author e4job
      for sake of discussion, we have been using coolpage wysiwyg editor for over 20 years and find it to be superior to any of the contemporary editors like WP, Drupal or Joomla

      that's my 2¢
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      • Profile picture of the author thedark
        Originally Posted by e4job View Post

        for sake of discussion, we have been using coolpage wysiwyg editor for over 20 years and find it to be superior to any of the contemporary editors like WP, Drupal or Joomla

        that's my 2¢

        Unless you are promoting coolpage wysiwyg, this discussion is about platforms or frameworks to create websites, not about "editors", "wysiwyg editors" or "template editors"
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        • Profile picture of the author e4job
          Originally Posted by thedark View Post

          Unless you are promoting coolpage wysiwyg, this discussion is about platforms or frameworks to create websites, not about "editors", "wysiwyg editors" or "template editors"

          you need to learn more about coolpage, it is an HTML editor to build websites from scratch
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  • I use self hosted wordpress sites for all my websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatjc
    I was building websites long before WordPress (or even Dreamweaver) existed. After Adobe bought Dreamweaver from Macromedia (before WordPress appeared), I switched to Dreamweaver for a few years. But for the last 3-4 years I've been doing mostly WordPress. Once in a while I still build and test something in Dreamweaver and then drop it into WordPress - like a complex CSS or a weird table (yes, once in a great while I actually need a table).

    I can develop an equivalent website in WordPress for 1/2 the time and 1/2 the cost of doing so in Dreamweaver.

    With a bit of HTML, CSS and PHP coding, a good commercial frameworks and themes (and of course the best plugins), you can make WordPress somewhat more flexible. Naturally, when you build from scratch, like with Dreamweaver, you have the most flexibility. But as mentioned above most smaller commercial sites don't need a lot of flexibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlmightyGreg
    Same.. I have been using Wordpress since my first website, I just got a problem with the ".wordpress.com"
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  • Profile picture of the author NewRiseDigital
    Self hosted Wordpress all the way. If you set up a base WP installation using WordPress › Duplicator « WordPress Plugins I can have a wordpress installation up and running with my favourite plugins and themes installed in less than 30 minutes. The longest thing I have to wait for now with new sites is the domain propagation

    Unless you enjoy the coding aspects of websites you'd be mad to go with static HTML, and WP is so SEO friendly, had so many funky plugins and themes that it beats the old days of manual creation for me. Which gives you more time to concentrate on the marketing and sales, which is what you should be doing 80% of the time in any business...!
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  • Profile picture of the author OldLodgeSkins
    I'm one of the rare guys here who don't like WP. I just don't like the feel of it. Besides, about a year and a half ago I realized you couldn't password-protect the admin folder of a WP site with a .htaccess without locking the users out as their own panels are located into the same folder (I don't know if it has changed since) and this alone was a good enough reason for me not to use it for any serious project. I get attacks every day and I'm glad my admin area is entirely password-protected in such a manner...
    I'm a Joomla fan and in the past 2 years I've been building all kinds of websites with it, and all with free components. I think the only usage I'm still missing is for Amazon stores, I haven't found a solution to that yet (but I haven't been looking into it for months though).

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    • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
      Originally Posted by greg fields View Post

      Same.. I have been using Wordpress since my first website, I just got a problem with the ".wordpress.com"
      self-host your website instead then

      Originally Posted by OldLodgeSkins View Post

      I'm one of the rare guys here who don't like WP. I just don't like the feel of it. Besides, about a year and a half ago I realized you couldn't password-protect the admin folder of a WP site with a .htaccess without locking the users out as their own panels are located into the same folder (I don't know if it has changed since) and this alone was a good enough reason for me not to use it for any serious project. I get attacks every day and I'm glad my admin area is entirely password-protected in such a manner...
      I'm a Joomla fan and in the past 2 years I've been building all kinds of websites with it, and all with free components. I think the only usage I'm still missing is for Amazon stores, I haven't found a solution to that yet (but I haven't been looking into it for months though).

      Seb.
      I'm no security expert, far from it, but A) have you investigated WP's p/w protect issues since your findings? and, B) have you searched thoroughly online to find out whether or not there are any other comments or observations from WP users about this ?

      (but I guess if you're doing fine without WP, then you've no reason to dig deeper).

      just curious
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    • Profile picture of the author thedark
      Originally Posted by OldLodgeSkins View Post

      I'm one of the rare guys here who don't like WP. I just don't like the feel of it. Besides, about a year and a half ago I realized you couldn't password-protect the admin folder of a WP site with a .htaccess without locking the users out as their own panels are located into the same folder (I don't know if it has changed since) and this alone was a good enough reason for me not to use it for any serious project. I get attacks every day and I'm glad my admin area is entirely password-protected in such a manner...
      I'm a Joomla fan and in the past 2 years I've been building all kinds of websites with it, and all with free components. I think the only usage I'm still missing is for Amazon stores, I haven't found a solution to that yet (but I haven't been looking into it for months though).

      Seb.
      I bet that this is not the single reason why you hate wordpress. It is not perfect. But, I was working with many cms and no one locks the administration panel with .htaccess. This measure si oldschool ( when sessions were insecure ), and it is not that effective. htaccess password protection has 2 main problems that comes to my mind right now, that will let anyone who wants to get over it: 1) it is bruteforce vulnerable; 2) the password is saved in a file, unencrypted, so, if someone exploit a vulnerability from a plugin, or any other software installed on the server, he will be able to see you un-encrypted password.

      More, if you are building a site with wordpress, unless it is a blog and you let guest writers to access you wp-admin, so they can publish your articles, then there is no need for users to access the admin panel. Modern membership and plugin themes have sepparate interface for normal users.
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidcereb
    I use Hostgator, seems to be working fine for now, but im no expert in the field of hosting, i certainly always hear alot of word, about wordpress.
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  • Profile picture of the author OldLodgeSkins
    There's a wide gap between "hating" and "not liking the feel of it"... I've never said I hated WP. I even understand why a lot of people use it (it's probably the easiest solution for beginners). The OP asked a question, I replied, that's all.

    As for the .htaccess protection, you got that one wrong: the password IS encrypted inside the .htpasswd file, and that file is outside of the document root, so inaccessible through normal web access. You'd need to already have a hand on the server to access it, at which point having password-protected a folder or not would make no difference anyway... But unless you reach that point, password-protecting your admin area is a safeguard again lots of smaller attack attempts.
    In the way I use it it has nothing to do with sessions, either. Joomla's admin area has its own identification mechanism just like WP's does. Adding a .htaccess password acts as a second layer of protection, preventing direct attacks on any file of the admin area (you don't need to open a session to try and attack the file of your choice, but if you're being asked a password even before you can actually see / load that file then you can't attack it). The objective is to make the potential pirate's life more difficult. The harder it is for them to hack into your website, the better.

    @Ian: as I've already said, "I don't know if it has changed since". So no, I haven't checked and indeed, I have no reason to as I don't need it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jskarthik1
    Dude, don't even worry about changing unless you are facing some any problem(which is rare)

    One thing you should consider is... ease of building a good looking website. Wordpress makes it really easy to build websites... I mean good looking websites.

    A year ago, I used X Site Pro to build html websites. My idea then was... afterall everything boils down to HTML.. why bother with wordpress. Later, I was forced to change to wordpress because the site I created with X Site Pro looked awful.

    By the way, I do not know PHP or CSS except some basic html. If I were to build a great looking website like wordpress (where I simply install a theme to completely change the look) using XSitePro, it would have been impossible for me. Unless there is a great need to learn, why invest time in that if you can get things done quickly using a simple free theme or premium theme bought from others. Why re-invent the wheel?

    Anyway... these are my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMorg
    Using Drupal for complex and big websites for last 4 years.
    Wordpress for small and simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    Hi,

    Lets put it this way - if you follow the links in any members signature that has posted here and view source, you'll find wp-content in the source code.

    For the most part we all use wordpress
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  • Profile picture of the author kursat
    I have always loved the simplicity of HTML and CSS sites, I design Wordpress templates so I can't be against the product, but I like to have more control on what I can do with sites, so HTML is the best way to go for me...
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  • Profile picture of the author aduttonater
    I use weebly for many years. It's simple and easy. When I advertise my website I just create a hyper link so people don't see the weebly unless they're on my website page.

    I haven't used WP yet but if it's as simple as it is I just might try that out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
      Originally Posted by e4job View Post

      for sake of discussion, we have been using coolpage wysiwyg editor for over 20 years and find it to be superior to any of the contemporary editors like WP, Drupal or Joomla
      I know that "superior" is a subjective word, but have you looked at the source code on Cool Page's website? (they claim to have created the website using their own software).

      Their website uses really old, deprecated code, tables for layout, and breaks just about every rule in the book as far as modern "standards compliance" goes. Translation = it's probably going to look pretty bad in some browsers!

      Just sayin'.

      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      While I do use WP for a couple of things, I prefer making my own sites. For me, WP is bloated, full of security holes and a pain to work with on the programming side. Far easier to do it from scratch.

      On the other hand, I do understand why the average user prefers them...
      Totally agree with that. I was into the CMS thing for a short while when I was first getting started (but even then I preferred E107 over WordPress and the like). Don't get me wrong... CMS's definitely have their uses... but once I learned how to code by hand, I never looked back.

      You have wayyyyy more flexibility, don't have to deal with tons of bloated code across a gazillion different files (90% of which you'll never use / need anyways), and you don't have to worry about constant security updates.

      Of course, there is a little bit of a learning curve to coding sites by hand, but I think it's more than worth it. I've built up a pretty big collection of custom templates and scripts over the years, so whenever I start a new project, the majority of the code is already done.... all I have to do is copy and paste it into the new project, make a few tweaks, and I'm done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mattds
    I have always coded my own websites from scratch, HTML/PHP/CSS. Although in the last few months i have setup some simple Wordpress sites for clients that want an easy to use CMS.

    I still don't know enough about the inner workings of Wordpress to have a valid opinion on its pro's and cons.
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    Weebly is good for amateur because of its low startup.
    Do note that you are at the mercy of the providers.
    They can easily ban or penalized your account anytime.

    Stick to Wordpress. There are lots of advantages to it
    1. Lots of plugins that can make your Internet marketing easily
    2. Relative easy to learn compared to Joomla, etc
    3. It is free. You can use it anytime
    4. Easily searched/indexed by search engines
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by khooster1 View Post

      Weebly is good for amateur because of its low startup.
      Do note that you are at the mercy of the providers. They can easily ban or penalized your account anytime.
      They're no more likely to than Hostgator, for example. One is always, technically, "at the mercy of" one's hosting company.

      Weebly is a good host. I've been using it for over 4 years. I like it and recommend it. I suspect that people who say "You're at the mercy of the providers" are thinking only of Weebly's entry-level free hosting (where they allow you two sites only), and that may be correct. But that's hardly respresentative of Weebly as a host, is it?

      Originally Posted by khooster1 View Post

      1. Lots of plugins that can make your Internet marketing easily
      Yes, that certainly seems to be an advantage of WordPress.

      Originally Posted by khooster1 View Post

      2. Relative easy to learn compared to Joomla, etc
      But extremely difficult, compared with Weebly.

      Originally Posted by khooster1 View Post

      3. It is free. You can use it anytime
      Also true of Weebly's site builder.

      Originally Posted by khooster1 View Post

      4. Easily searched/indexed by search engines
      No more so than other content management systems. How easily indexed a website is doesn't typically depend on the CMS from which it's built.

      I think it's easy, in such discussions to become a little confused between Weebly's website-builder, and Weebly as a hosting company, and I think there's an element or two of that, above.

      I think WordPress is clearly very suitable indeed for most beginning marketers, and has many other advantages (I don't see the main ones as being any of the ones you've mentioned, to be honest), and that one would need a pretty good reason not to use it (there are some, that apply to some people), but imagining that using WordPress is necessarily going to confer any significant SEO advantages certainly isn't an accurate premise for a discussion. Just my perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author kelvintoro
    If subdomain, WordPress, Squidoo, Hubpages, and Blogger are good. But if you have money for self-hosted site, go for a self-hosted WP site. There are lots of things you can do with self-hosted sites. You also don't have to worry that your site will be taken down, because it's self-hosted.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWaters
    I am a huge fan of Wordpress for self hosted sites. There really is so much you can do. it seems like there is an endless number of plugins to use as well as the wide variety of themes. I previously used a few other methods but once I switched to WP and do not expect to change. As for free domains site I find Squidoo works very well.
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  • Profile picture of the author impulse
    Your other options would be to use Drupal, joomla, or any other CMS to manage content.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    I look at wordpress blogs as a tool and NOT a website. One of the problems with wordpress is that it is not the ideal platform to sell. I does do very good at driving traffic to websites.

    Because wordpress is an open platform there are always a ton of changes and updates. When you update what was functioning correctly is now not working. When a lot of plugins are used, they can be in conflict with other plugins. It is a hodge podge put together to do just some of the things you want to do.

    Somehow no one plugin does exactly what you want and you just have to settle

    There is no real security with a wordpress blog. All the various plugins can cause all kinds of security holes. I always hear of wordpress blogs that are hacked. I could go on and on with wordpress problems.

    I developed my own content management system (software) it is bigger that wordpress and built in a modular format, which allows me to add new modules very easy without creating a bunch of security holes.

    It uses PayPal's Adaptive API and I can do instant payments at the point of sale on everysale. I can do single payments, subscription payments, subscription payments with a trial, a dimesale payment solution, a Kunaki payment solution and a shopping cart that also uses the PayPal Adaptive API.

    It will pay admin, partners, affiliates, brokers and affiliate managers at the point of sale.

    It can centralize unlimited websites on unlimited domains or manage unlimited websites on one domain.

    It will do complete sales funnels, starting with squeeze page, main product upsells and downsells.

    It can incorporate any autoresponder into the script and has unlimited membership levels.

    It can drip content, restrict content and protect content. It has dynamic download pages that can restrict the number of downloads and makes it impossible for buyers to see the real download files.

    It has a partner module that allows admin to take multiple partners on different project and keep everything separate. It has an Ads module that makes it easier to work joint ventures and track the results.

    It has all kinds of advantages over wordpress and the plugins mainly because of its flexibility. It does not use templates increasing flexibility.

    It has more affiliate tools than any other affiliate program.

    And it works with wordpress without being a plugin to sacrifice security.

    It has several hundred features and I can't list them all here. So plugins are not needed to get it to do exactly what you want done.

    Heck it even comes with a great helpdesk.

    With wordpress, if you want it to do something new, you better start looking for a plugin the will make it work.

    With my system you just create a page and let my system bring it to life.

    The name of my system is 'Action Plus Marketing' and is designed for marketing. If you wanted to do something in marketing online, 'Action Plus Marketing' will do it.

    Until you use something better, you don't know how bad wordpress really is.

    I hope this helps,
    Steve Yakim
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  • Profile picture of the author higherluv
    Originally Posted by livo View Post


    I would just like some views on what other types of website software is out there that is as good or better than Wordpress or if there is anyone who plainly refuses to use Wordpress and for what reason?
    For what? Just stick with wordpress (on your own domain).
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  • Profile picture of the author lucidbs
    I use wp for all self host websites on my hostgator vps. Just snatch a domain and install wp in a few seconds. Other cms could be Joomla and Drupal. Never use them as I am not that familiar in coding. WP is the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author reneesbertrand
    Self-Hosted Word Press is best if you are working on a Blog, Joomla is good for websites you want to customize and if you know web programming, Magento can be used for E-commerce websites..
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  • Profile picture of the author RachelLily
    Like any other else here, been using self-hosted Wordpress for years now but if you wan't other site, I suggest CMS.
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    • Profile picture of the author bobsalong
      Yes, I have to agree with the Wordpress lovers here. When I first started, WP seemed overly complicated, and none of the tutorials I watched ever covered everything I needed to know. Now, with the number of themes and plugins available, I'm able to put together a nice looking site quickly. I didn't have to learn any coding to do that, but I did have to try and fail a bunch of times until I started to get the hang of it. Security issues are a concern, but I think they are a concern for every website. You have to be diligent in backing up your site and following recommended guidelines regarding security.

      For me, WP works great.
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    • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
      Originally Posted by RachelLily View Post

      Like any other else here, been using self-hosted Wordpress for years now but if you wan't other site, I suggest CMS.
      ?? Wordpress is a CMS (Content Management System)
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Berry
    Blogspot works awesome in my case. Maybe because blogspot is "in relationship" with Google, so they will support it in their page rank. One more thing about blogspot, it match with my method which is using quantity over quality, right now I have around 25 blogs in a specific niche. I book every keywords that have relation with my niche, and use blogspot platform to make a web out of it.
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