I don't know what to say warriors!

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Hello Warriors,

You lovely lady's and handsome gentlemen may have know me already on this forum as " The guy who can't stick to one project and run with it ". I have been doing many things off and on as I have no focus. I go product to product, I guess you could say that if you would like. I have bought in total 3 courses in total as I can remember.

I guess what I am really trying to say I am either lost or I just don't know if Internet Marketing really works. I have recently bought Andrew Hansen's forever affiliate course where its based on mini websites promoting affiliate offers ( weird little markets as he says ) in Google. He has recommended his newbies to find at least 5 affiliate offers with keywords before moving on to phase 2 which is testing. I was doing my niche research as I found my 2 affiliate offers and I was trying to find the rest of the three today.

But I came to a complete halt as I was analyzing the competition of the affiliate offers I came across. These offers where actually products that I have found on offer vault. They are in the health and beauty niche. The thing that made me come to a complete stop was the complaints they were giving about the product such as unwanted credit card charges.

Now let me be clear I love what Andrew was teaching to me for his course I have bought, but the thing that got me stomped was the complaints. Over that past year I have also been taught to provide value to the customer. An if that means to provide value to the customer, then that means to me I have to provide a value able product that a customer would say or seem to valuable to them.

So now I am rethinking of what should I do for my Internet Marketing Career as of 2013. I hear people say the money is in the list and I have Mark Ling's Affilioblueprint course. I went through the course and I learned a lot about lists and I am thinking I should do list building instead of promoting affiliate offers through Google, but instead promote offers that mean value to the subscribe on what problem they have. What do you guys think?

I guess what I am trying to say is I am starting to get interested in list building now. As I have a lot of free ebooks about list building and how profitable it can be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I guess what I am trying to say is I am starting to get interested in list building now.
    Best thing you said all day :p

    List building is where it's at, stick with that this time, you won't regret it.

    Good luck...
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I can identify with you completely. It is also hard for me to focus. I am working on multiple projects at the same time, and not getting much progress in any of them. I have outsourced some of it, and that way i only have to manage it. So I am starting to make some progress there. I think I shall outsource just about everything. That will mean I have to work slowly as I have limited funds. But one contractor told me he would let me pay him when I had the money to spare. Not sure I am comfortable doing that, but we shall see.
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    • Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I can identify with you completely. It is also hard for me to focus. I am working on multiple projects at the same time, and not getting much progress in any of them. I have outsourced some of it, and that way i only have to manage it. So I am starting to make some progress there. I think I shall outsource just about everything. That will mean I have to work slowly as I have limited funds. But one contractor told me he would let me pay him when I had the money to spare. Not sure I am comfortable doing that, but we shall see.
      I find a lot of people suffer with the fact that they hate the nitty gritty of developing sites, such as writing content (mostly this really), and as such move from product to product. In this case, outsourcing is the answer.

      You don't even need lots of content to create a list! A good squeeze page, and then methods for sending traffic to that squeeze page. Follow-up with pre-made e-mails, either by some expert or PLR e-mails, either work.

      Now and again you can have a specialist write you a quality article that you can send off to ezine owners and other places to funnel even more traffic to your squeeze page. It'll cost you 100$+ mind you, and that's minimum and low-cost for a quality Article of significance.

      From there just keep monetizing and growing your list. You don't need to link them to your content to gain authority either. Just leverage content being posted by other similar sites.

      Where there's a will, there's a way. However, I haven't seen a warrior called Will post on this thread so you're just going to have to find a way instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      There is some truth to not putting all of your eggs in one basket however...

      Promoting other peoples affiliate offers when you're own heart and mind isn't really in it, in other words with the intention of just making some quick easy money, isn't in my opinion the way to go.

      What is the way to go, is to uncover or discover what your true passion in life is.

      Question is, what do you think you enjoy doing best?

      Align yourself with your true life purpose and naturally you'll be bringing much greater value to the table by which other people can directly benefit from your unique perspective and wisdom.

      Thing is, when you jump on any old bandwagon to try and make money hopping from one thing to another the chances of you derailing your train increases exponentially. And a train wreck in your personal and business life is the last thing you need. Right?

      To get on the right track for you, to stay on the rails and gain meaningful momentum you must follow your own innate wisdom.

      What are your very own unique skills?

      What is your number one passion in life?

      What do you enjoy doing the most?

      What activity makes you veritably bound out of bed in the morning totally motivated to take on the day ahead?

      What knowledge, beyond all other knowledge do you enjoy imparting to other people with oodles of enthusiasm?

      You see, when you discover / uncover your true passion in life, your higher calling if you like, you'll be working with all the forces in the universe to bring your personal light to the rest of the world.

      But if you only try to use the light of others to shine upon your own path to illuminate the road ahead, chances are in time this light may flicker out or worse, die out altogether.

      Now you mention list building...

      All well and good. But how do you intend to start building up your list?

      Do you want to become well known only for promoting other people's offers to your list subscribers hence denying yourself and them (your subscribers) the power and success they so richly deserve?

      Is this honestly what your list subscribers will want from you, just to be lambasted with offer after offer saying in effect, "Hey up guys! Buy this now!"

      Or, would it be more feasible and more financially productive in the long run to build up a list of people, who similar to yourself share the same passions and interests in life?

      Of course, list building is all about helping to build meaningful relationships with your readers. If your intention is purely to promote offerings made by other people by means of being an affiliate for the products you want to promote, will your passion for these none related products perfectly match your own life and work ethos?

      You must treat your list subscribers like gold dust. Behind every monitor of each person on your list is another individual just like you who also wants to improve their life in some way. Do you think if you put yourself in their shoes on the receiving end of your autoresponder emails they're going to feel more attracted or repelled by your activities if your interest is ultimately in only looking after your own self interests first?

      Setting all of this aside for now, what really do you want to be doing from a 'work' perspective?

      What is your personal light which you want to share with the rest of the world?

      Look at it like this...

      You have a choice, either you can follow in the shadows cast by others and follow in their footsteps or...

      ...you can make your own shadow by which in turn others who like you before now will follow you towards sunshine and light.

      What is your preference? What is your personal preference?

      What is it exactly, deep down inside your soul, that you want to do with the rest of your life?

      What is the big goal?

      What is your biggest driving motivational factor, which upon being uncovered brings you closer towards your own personal destiny Zack?

      Smoking hot,


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      • Profile picture of the author BackLinkiT
        Whenever I hear the saying 'the money is in the list' I think of this thread:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...t-my-list.html
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
          Originally Posted by BackLinkiT View Post

          Whenever I hear the saying 'the money is in the list' I think of this thread:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...t-my-list.html
          That lady gave up to quick.

          This month, I decided to pull the plug on my GetResponse account because I'm not making a single dollar back to cover the measly $15/month I've been paying.
          I always had an auto-responder even though I never used it, I was to busy chasing shiny bright objects for 4 years. Aweber was one of those subscriptions I paid for without ever using it, because I knew I would need it someday.

          When it finally clicked for me I decided to change web hosting, and purposely left 100 or so domains expire, the first thing I did was log into my Aweber account and learned how to use it.

          List building works, because I was off to buy shiny bright objects for 4 years straight, everytime I got an email.
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          • Profile picture of the author ashloren
            Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

            That lady gave up to quick.

            I always had an auto-responder even though I never used it, I was to busy chasing shiny bright objects for 4 years. Aweber was one of those subscriptions I paid for without ever using it, because I knew I would need it someday.

            When it finally clicked for me I decided to change web hosting, and purposely left 100 or so domains expire, the first thing I did was log into my Aweber account and learned how to use it.

            List building works, because I was off to buy shiny bright objects for 4 years straight, everytime I got an email.
            I didn't give up too soon. I rarely do. Why would you recommend paying for an AWeber account that you were not using at all? It's fine to realize you'll need one in the future, but people don't usually buy houses and then not live in them because they know it will come in handy someday. It's more common for people to buy a home when they actually need one and can afford one.

            I can't see any logical argument for paying Aweber every month for absolutely no reason other than you will use it later on at some point.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Moore
        best thing about building a list : it is fun! collecting people's email can be an exciting challenge for Internet Marketing. It require unique copy writing skill, which is the most vital skill for us. The squeeze page design is also a challenging aspect to think about. Researching your market, how to acquire the right email list, how to generate lead by trial and error using PPC campaign. Building a list is a good memory for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I can identify with you completely. It is also hard for me to focus. I am working on multiple projects at the same time
    I did the same thing for 4 years straight without making any real money. If you can focus on one thing, building a list would be a great start.
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  • Profile picture of the author MktCoach
    Your lack of focus comes from lack of certainty. Confusion.

    Think about it. When you know everything about something you do, you most likely don't waste time and just do it. It's when you're in doubt that you try this and that, never knowing for sure if you're on the right track.

    This reaction is normal and at the root of it is your desire not to waste time. Oddly, perhaps, but the opposite always happens.

    The remedy?

    Become CONVINCED of the process and the logic. Once you understand what needs to happen, then when you seek out methods which will help you achieve your goals, relate them to your logic. Thus, when you finally do decide to follow a particular system, even if it's your first time - it will feel familiar. Logic breeds certainty.

    As for "which" system to follow - and yes, there are SO MANY... - look for the one which makes the most sense to you. One which withstands rational analysis.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Greige
    I used to be in the same exact boat. I can't describe how many hours I wasted goofing around. Trying to search for the "Instant Cash Machine With One Click". But one thing that that really changed my whole life, was this the WarriorForum. And since I have never looked back.

    Yes, Tons of time was wasted.. but on the other hand I gained LOTS of knowledge about everything in general related to Internet Marketing.
    You just gotta focus on one thing out of time, and learn it inside out..
    I just got into list building.. and believe me its not as easy as you think it is.. It does some require some work done..

    In matter of fact I am going to share on how I did it.. and whoever else that is reading this right now.

    1. Find Your Market
    Do your research, so who's the audience you want to reach out to? What is your message and contents you are going to deliver? Is the market competitive? Is the profitable? etc.. Google Keyword tool is your best friend!

    2. Build Your Empire
    Im gonna straight up to the point. Buy a domain and find a host for it. It is very straight forward. (You can finds tons of Youtube tutorials)

    Then install Wordpress into your website.. For all beginners out there. Wordpress might be a little bit confusing a first.. but trust me, once you'll understand it its very easy from there on.

    Here comes the tricky part, The squeeze page..
    You can either find squeeze templates online for free but you gotta digg through this forum to find some decent ones if you don't want to spend anymoney or if you're on a budget.
    But I highly recommend OptimizePress.. But it's gonna cost you a bit. If you really think about it.. You're actually investing.
    In your Squeeze page you want to make it catchy.. provide valuable contents that will make the audience want MORE..

    3. The List Building

    There are tons of autoresponders out there. But what I use is Aweber. For me it's user friendly and its $1 for the first month. wohoo!

    From there, once you're list starts growing ...
    You want to continue to provide stuff they want to hear.. and gain from. Don't use throw stuff at them and expect them to buy immediately. Remember these are humans just like us with emotions. .

    Well hope this is helpful!

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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Find something you are truly excited about. Then, you need to figure out if that thing can somehow make money.

      When you find a passion for a product you find you will do what ever it takes to get a site up and going quickly, hence making a profit much quicker.

      I'm going to go against the grain and say forget about list building until you have a product/site that you prove converts.

      If some passion resides behind that product, you'll stick with it much longer.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Hey Zach
    I have probably read most of your threads detailing your failures and apparent inability to focus. Maybe my replies were a bit harsh in the past but it was to get you going.
    Anyway one thing i can say is that you are honest and determined, most people would have given up by now...
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Follow-up with pre-made e-mails, either by some expert or PLR e-mails, either work.
    I hate this advice. I'm sure it's worked for some people but the whole point in having your own list is to send your own, original, content to it not some pre-made emails that someone else claiming to be an 'expert' wrote. Emails need to convey your own personality and not someone elses.
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    • Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      I hate this advice. I'm sure it's worked for some people but the whole point in having your own list is to send your own, original, content to it not some pre-made emails that someone else claiming to be an 'expert' wrote. Emails need to convey your own personality and not someone elses.
      The post was based on someone who doesn't know much about the niche and wants to be hands off, or doesn't want to be writing the content (even e-mail content). It's perfectly normal to do, and is sound advice.

      If you get an expert from the niche to write you e-mails, or do the research for you, then where's the problem? Many people do it. PLR is another way, perhaps not the best, but it doesn't make the e-mail contents any lesser in value if what it says is informative and true to the person reading it. You're trying to fix their problem, not come up with your own angle or re-invent the wheel, unless you actually have one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Elss
        YES! Build a list. You have a captive audience and it will be a very important asset in your business, just as long as you don't pound them with crap offers all the time like some people do with their lists, LOL. Also, I DO feel the need to always mention this as there are some members around here teaching this, DONT go and build a list using Adfly or other junk traffic source for the purpose of getting your numbers up, then turning around and do adswaps. You'll most likely get a ad rep. fast. Just saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernest Simon
    If possible, get on a coaching where the coach responds to you personally. Thia way you can just the person anytime if you need help and basically helps you stick on one project, that it, implementing what the coach teaches.

    Buying a lolely ebook or video course is not the same though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      This is one that you are over thinking, Zach. Products in the health and beauty niche often receive complaints as many are on automatic refills and customers don't realize that and complain. It's not new and doesn't happen with all products - and it's not a secret to affiliates, either.

      The question is - why you would choose the health and beauty niche? Last you posted, you were still in high school and I really doubt it's a niche you can identify with.

      The bigger question for you, though is - what has changed in your approach? Looks like more of the ame.

      It's only been ten days since you posted about maybe purchasing this course and you are giving up because you found one thing that made you uneasy.

      That one thing had nothing to do the method taught by the course but with the niche you chose....right?

      You are continuing to buy a method, try it and quit very quickly. If the reviews in health and beauty make you uneasy - change your niche to a better one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zack Sprague
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        This is one that you are over thinking, Zach. Products in the health and beauty niche often receive complaints as many are on automatic refills and customers don't realize that and complain. It's not new and doesn't happen with all products - and it's not a secret to affiliates, either.

        The question is - why you would choose the health and beauty niche? Last you posted, you were still in high school and I really doubt it's a niche you can identify with.

        The bigger question for you, though is - what has changed in your approach? Looks like more of the ame.

        It's only been ten days since you posted about maybe purchasing this course and you are giving up because you found one thing that made you uneasy.

        That one thing had nothing to do the method taught by the course but with the niche you chose....right?

        You are continuing to buy a method, try it and quit very quickly. If the reviews in health and beauty make you uneasy - change your niche to a better one.
        So are you telling me that I am giving up on this method because of the reviews that I found in the health and beauty niche?
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        • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
          Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post

          So are you telling me that I am giving up on this method because of the reviews that I found in the health and beauty niche?
          It seems to me that this is what you said in your original post. Kay has just elaborated on your own words.

          The Forever Affiliate course you mentioned teaches how to find niches - lots of different ones. If the first ones you find don't stack up, keep looking until you find ones that do.

          The mistake people who complain about Internet marketing not working usually make is to blame the method and not their own half-hearted application of it. Andrew Hansen's course will work if you apply it. Go back and review the videos - isn't magic, just plain common sense.

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          • Profile picture of the author martinp
            You're probably interested in the health and beauty niche because that's one of the main niches Andrew recommends in Forever Affiliate? In my experience it IS one of the niches that works best with small niche sites like these so I wouldn't say dump the niche just yet.

            Offervault is only one place to find products, and unfortunately most of the health products there are CPA type products (which often means free trials and scammy marketing techniques). If you couldn't find suitable products on Offervault just look elsewhere - there are tons of really good health products that DO work, they're just harder to find. The commissions are usually lower, but you'll actually make more sales in the long run when people find out they can trust you and what you're recommending.

            In FA there's a video on how to find products using Amazon, a great place to find products that have (for the most part) real customer reviews. There's also a really good video on how to find private affiliate programs - there are PLENTY of health and beauty products to be found using that method. Also check out networks like Shareasale and Commission Junction - I don't think they were recommended in FA but they have plenty products that meet the criteria and are less competitive.

            Mainly you just have to keep your eyes open and keep your ears to the ground. When someone like Dr. Oz mentions a new product it often blows up and becomes extremely popular. Watch sites like Cbengine.com for new releases on Clickbank. Watch trend sites to see what topics and products are trending. Read health and beauty magazines if that's your niche (also some news sites report on new products to the market).

            Look at other affiliates sites - particularly those in Adwords. Yesterday I was researching a health product and typed the product name into Google. I noticed an Adwords ad for an authority site with a review of the product, so I clicked through and found that the site had a list of the top 10 products in that niche. After researching each product individually I found that 4 had alot of searches and 2 had private affiliate programs (so weren't that competitive in the search engines) and good reviews on Amazon. So within about 15 minutes I had added another 2 products to my 'to promote' list. Once you've had some practice and use a bit of savvy you should be able to find products that meet the Forever Affiliate criteria as easily as Andrew says.
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            • Profile picture of the author Zack Sprague
              Originally Posted by martinp View Post

              You're probably interested in the health and beauty niche because that's one of the main niches Andrew recommends in Forever Affiliate? In my experience it IS one of the niches that works best with small niche sites like these so I wouldn't say dump the niche just yet.

              Offervault is only one place to find products, and unfortunately most of the health products there are CPA type products (which often means free trials and scammy marketing techniques). If you couldn't find suitable products on Offervault just look elsewhere - there are tons of really good health products that DO work, they're just harder to find. The commissions are usually lower, but you'll actually make more sales in the long run when people find out they can trust you and what you're recommending.

              In FA there's a video on how to find products using Amazon, a great place to find products that have (for the most part) real customer reviews. There's also a really good video on how to find private affiliate programs - there are PLENTY of health and beauty products to be found using that method. Also check out networks like Shareasale and Commission Junction - I don't think they were recommended in FA but they have plenty products that meet the criteria and are less competitive.

              Mainly you just have to keep your eyes open and keep your ears to the ground. When someone like Dr. Oz mentions a new product it often blows up and becomes extremely popular. Watch sites like Cbengine.com for new releases on Clickbank. Watch trend sites to see what topics and products are trending. Read health and beauty magazines if that's your niche (also some news sites report on new products to the market).

              Look at other affiliates sites - particularly those in Adwords. Yesterday I was researching a health product and typed the product name into Google. I noticed an Adwords ad for an authority site with a review of the product, so I clicked through and found that the site had a list of the top 10 products in that niche. After researching each product individually I found that 4 had alot of searches and 2 had private affiliate programs (so weren't that competitive in the search engines) and good reviews on Amazon. So within about 15 minutes I had added another 2 products to my 'to promote' list. Once you've had some practice and use a bit of savvy you should be able to find products that meet the Forever Affiliate criteria as easily as Andrew says.
              For the competition part in the funnel still makes me a bit questionable when looking at the pages. What backlink checker tool do you use?
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              • Profile picture of the author martinp
                Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post

                For the competition part in the funnel still makes me a bit questionable when looking at the pages. What backlink checker tool do you use?
                I use Majestic SEO and Market Samurai. I've been testing out ahrefs after seeing Andrew using it in the video but probably won't be subscribing when I've already got tools that do similar. Feel free to send me a pm if you have a specific question about competition.
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                • Profile picture of the author shane_k
                  You hit the nail right on the head.

                  I am surprised that more people didn't catch this.

                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  It's only been ten days since you posted about maybe purchasing this course and you are giving up because you found one thing that made you uneasy.

                  That one thing had nothing to do the method taught by the course but with the niche you chose....right?

                  You are continuing to buy a method, try it and quit very quickly. If the reviews in health and beauty make you uneasy - change your niche to a better one.


                  I personally think that this above, the feeling uneasy part is just an excuse so he can continue doing what you wrote below.


                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


                  As for list building, you have started at least half a dozen threads asking about list building in the past year or more - most of those had detailed advice. There's just no sense in going over the whole "should I build a list" again.

                  The problem you continue to have is you like the startup part of asking "how can I do this" and "what should I do" and "here is my plan" - but when it gets to the grind of DOING...you give up at the first problem or thing you don't understand.


                  kay

                  This is the real problem. He loves the feel-good emotions he gets when starting something new.

                  For some poeple they love starting up new projects, going after new goals. Because they are new and novel.

                  And it allows them to feel hope and excitment because they are starting something new, something they haven't done before. And they can then convince themselves and rationalize to themselves that they are "doing something" with their lives. And that can lead to more good feelings.

                  In the case of starting up a new business or buying new courses one after another, this allows the person to continue to daydream about all the money they are going to make. And that can feel good to daydream about that. It can feel exciting to think about how you are going to be able to spend all of that future money. And it turns into a feed loop, daydreaming about possibilities - feel good, daydream about more possibilities-feel even better, over and over again.

                  But then reality sets in and they realize that they have to put in "effort"

                  And the novelty wears off, that project is no longer shiny and new. Now it is "work" and "effort"

                  And work and effort dont bring up the same kind of feel good emotions as daydreaming and hoping.

                  So they find some excuse or rationalization to drop that project and look for another "new course/project/goal" so they can continue to get their "feel-good" fix.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    Building a list is a great idea... You can still promote affiliate offers with your list, and as it starts to make money, you can maybe figure out what works for affiliate marketing from your mini sites or blogs...

    You do need to know that for some people they hit the nail on the head very quickly, and for other it takes years to get earning. And earning doesn't mean success, it just means that it's a base from which you can learn to do things better.

    Be consistent, and keep at it. If something isn't working, ask yourself why, and try to fix it.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Stop buying products.

    You already know what works. Why do you think so many marketers send you emails promoting products each day? Because it works. They make money from doing it.

    What more proof do you need?

    Stop buying products and stop messing around with all these other tactics. Tactics come and go.

    Build a list. Even these guys selling you courses are making money from selling you products, building a list, and selling you more stuff. The money is in the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Stop buying courses... Jill summed it up perfectly.

    Find what you are good at and passionate about.

    The rest is all explained in my sig file. And if you don't know marketing, then spend 80% of your 80% learning how to market!

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  • Profile picture of the author evilsaigon
    Zack. You will realize that some of the good, and even popular affiliate offers will have pretty bad reviews and complaints. It struck me too, because the offer I wanted to promote had great conversions, until I saw people complaining that it's just a rip-off. I'm not saying these complaints are fake, but you ought to know that most of the satisfied customers will not bother to leave reviews, but the ones with bad experiences are a lot more likely to. It's impossible to satisfy everyone. So how do you exactly make your judgement?

    The best way is to actually purchase the product that you are promoting, and experience it for yourself. That way, you can be truthful, and unique with your reviews. If you honestly had a good experience with it, then you can promote it without any doubt. Even if there are others' complaints, it really doesn't matter because you yourself had a good time with it, probably like the other hundreds and even thousands of satisfied customers who didn't give any feedback. If it was really bad, you can probably tell straight from the refund rates. So, giving honest reviews is definitely the recommended sustainable way of affiliate promotion.

    The same goes for promoting affiliate offers to your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I think you need to answer a couple questions of yourself to yourself if you really want to get off the treadmill and start making some progress.

    1. Why did I buy the Forever Affiliate course even though I never used the Affilioblueprint course? Was I expecting something new, shiny, and exciting? Did I think that it would fill gaps the Affilioblueprint course had? Or is that I'm not ready to buckle down and do the things the programs I buy say to do?

    2. Why am I giving up on Forever Affiliate because of a couple bad reviews for one (or a few) products out of hundreds of thousands of available products? What is the real reason for wanting to change gears now? Is it that all the sudden affiliate marketing isn't interesting or what?

    3. What will I sell if I build a list? There are only two things basically - someone else's stuff or my stuff. Someone else's stuff normally involves a commission of some sort - just like affiliate marketing. In fact most list owners are doing affiliate marketing in one way or the other and most product owners have had a complaint or two thrown their way from dissastified customers. So if I'm already going to give up on affiliate marketing, am I now going to buckle down and write my own ebooks, reports, or open a membership site? Or will I get tired of that too just as soon as I get started?

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Yes, Zack - I think you quickly went through instructions on choosing a niche....and then chose the wrong niche. The health and beauty niche has a lot of small products that are sold on autoship - it's unique to that niche. If you want to work in that niche you have to KNOW that and work around it. It doesn't make it a bad niche but I don't see the potential of a 19yr old young man selling beauty products to women.

      Any product may have bad reviews - some people just don't say anything good - some can't figure out how to use a product - some products aren't good. It's your job as an affiliate marketer to decide what the reviews mean - whether they can be trusted - and whether the product itself is one you can recommend.

      You should know enough about affiliate marketing at this point to be able to get started in that arena. You have posted praise about Affiliorama but then you buy another affiliate "how to" product. Once you have the instructions for what to do - you have to DO it and keep doing it.

      When I choose a new niche - I don't pull it out of the air. I find 20-30 potential niches and then research the target market and the products and the demand and the solutions I might offer. THEN I narrow it down to one niche I will work in. You make the idea PROVE itself to you before you jump into a niche.

      As for list building, you have started at least half a dozen threads asking about list building in the past year or more - most of those had detailed advice. There's just no sense in going over the whole "should I build a list" again.

      The problem you continue to have is you like the startup part of asking "how can I do this" and "what should I do" and "here is my plan" - but when it gets to the grind of DOING...you give up at the first problem or thing you don't understand.

      I don't think you can focus on several things - starting a site - building a list - etc - at one time right now. Go back to the product you bought two weeks ago and dig in and follow it from beginning to end. Don't start second guessing it - or questioning whether it will work - just DO it all the way through.

      I really think if you can force yourself to complete a product and go the distance on a product you have already purchased - the light will come on in your head. This isn't rocket science but you do need to follow instructions all the way through if you expect any "how to" product to work for you. You can't skip steps or decide you'll do things differently or it won't work.

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      • Profile picture of the author Zack Sprague
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Yes, Zack - I think you quickly went through instructions on choosing a niche....and then chose the wrong niche. The health and beauty niche has a lot of small products that are sold on autoship - it's unique to that niche. If you want to work in that niche you have to KNOW that and work around it. It doesn't make it a bad niche but I don't see the potential of a 19yr old young man selling beauty products to women.

        Any product may have bad reviews - some people just don't say anything good - some can't figure out how to use a product - some products aren't good. It's your job as an affiliate marketer to decide what the reviews mean - whether they can be trusted - and whether the product itself is one you can recommend.

        You should know enough about affiliate marketing at this point to be able to get started in that arena. You have posted praise about Affiliorama but then you buy another affiliate "how to" product. Once you have the instructions for what to do - you have to DO it and keep doing it.

        When I choose a new niche - I don't pull it out of the air. I find 20-30 potential niches and then research the target market and the products and the demand and the solutions I might offer. THEN I narrow it down to one niche I will work in. You make the idea PROVE itself to you before you jump into a niche.

        As for list building, you have started at least half a dozen threads asking about list building in the past year or more - most of those had detailed advice. There's just no sense in going over the whole "should I build a list" again.

        The problem you continue to have is you like the startup part of asking "how can I do this" and "what should I do" and "here is my plan" - but when it gets to the grind of DOING...you give up at the first problem or thing you don't understand.

        I don't think you can focus on several things - starting a site - building a list - etc - at one time right now. Go back to the product you bought two weeks ago and dig in and follow it from beginning to end. Don't start second guessing it - or questioning whether it will work - just DO it all the way through.

        I really think if you can force yourself to complete a product and go the distance on a product you have already purchased - the light will come on in your head. This isn't rocket science but you do need to follow instructions all the way through if you expect any "how to" product to work for you. You can't skip steps or decide you'll do things differently or it won't work.

        kay
        Well Im not really giving up on Forever Affiliate, just because of those products. Its just those health products I found made it uneasy for me, because I want to provide valuable content and valuable products to the customers who buy through my affiliate link. I guess I am just not looking hard enough for niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Zach
    Honestly bud, i think it's time to take a long hard look at yourself and your aspirations
    of making it big online...
    This is not for everyone and you have been bouncing around from one thing to the next for 21 Months never finishing anything you start...
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  • Profile picture of the author lucidbs
    You are thinking too much. Just ask yourself deep down why are you doing IM and what do you enjoy most? The process or the outcome? I think you focus on the wrong projects as if you are really passionate and proud of your project, you wouldn't leave it half done. If you enjoy the process, which is fine, build it yoruself. However, as most gurus stated, outsource them and save your time.

    Still unclear? Take a day off, go to the beach and ask yourself what you really want first before you do anything again.
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  • Profile picture of the author kelvintoro
    Look for other products. Research again.

    It's good that you're interested in building your own list. But don't just be interested. DO IT!

    Don't give up. You'll soon find success if you'll keep persisting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Fitz
    Great topic. I didn't read every response, but I did read several. I'm sure someone else mentioned this their own words, but the main point I take from this is to avoid the "Shiny Object Syndrome" like the bubonic plague in the 14th century!

    I was actually so inspired by reading this thread that I actually created a new thread with the above as the subject! Haha

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  • Profile picture of the author Zack Sprague
    The reason why I want to do IM is because I want to help my family be finanically free. So are you saying I should give up? When I found two products through forever affiliate?
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Zack, i'm not here to crush your dreams but unless there is a dramatic change i just can't see it...

    These are examples of what i'm talking about.
    This is from your latest Thread:


    Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post

    Hello Warriors,
    I guess what I am trying to say is I am starting to get interested in list building now. As I have a lot of free ebooks about list building and how profitable it can be.
    This is from a year ago:

    Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post

    Hey Warriors,
    I want to now start a list and now I need your help on how I should start. I will be using a free auto-responder called Listwire....
    Thanks again,
    Zack
    Anyway good luck, hope you prove me wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zack Sprague
      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      Zack, i'm not here to crush your dreams but unless there is a dramatic change i just can't see it...

      These are examples of what i'm talking about.
      This is from your latest Thread:




      This is from a year ago:



      Anyway good luck, hope you prove me wrong.
      Just admit your telling me to give up bro.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannygnenerate
    Here's the deal, people do things so sporadically as if they buy a course it's going to give them a defacto method to make money. This is not the case; the product you are buying is usually diving in a very saturated market which might need some creative market to even penetrate. See the product really exists as an extension of your education, knowledge to build YOU as a person of insight. Learn as much as you can, the real money is made from people trusting the value YOU give them.

    When you speak of getting into list building make sure it's something you feel, don't try to get into something because it can make you good money. Lot's of things can make you good money with the proper execution, what I'm saying is that it's mental first. List building is a good thing, once again if you have valuable information. It's all about what value you can give. It's not about what you're doing it's about how you're doing it.

    Microsoft... Apple.

    So much action is taken in this community but no enough people making progress because they feel like the action will overshadow the mental. Action is less than 20% of success.

    I wish you the best luck but don't stress over it. If you choose list building find a way to do it that other's are not or at least a very effective way because there are LOTS of people doing what you're doing but anyone can stand out if they believe they can and if you believe you can you'll take better actions, which feeds better results which enforce better beliefs and the loop continues.

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    I won't give up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kush Sharma
    Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    You lovely lady's and handsome gentlemen may have know me already on this forum as " The guy who can't stick to one project and run with it ". I have been doing many things off and on as I have no focus. I go product to product, I guess you could say that if you would like. I have bought in total 3 courses in total as I can remember.

    I guess what I am really trying to say I am either lost or I just don't know if Internet Marketing really works. I have recently bought Andrew Hansen's forever affiliate course where its based on mini websites promoting affiliate offers ( weird little markets as he says ) in Google. He has recommended his newbies to find at least 5 affiliate offers with keywords before moving on to phase 2 which is testing. I was doing my niche research as I found my 2 affiliate offers and I was trying to find the rest of the three today.

    But I came to a complete halt as I was analyzing the competition of the affiliate offers I came across. These offers where actually products that I have found on offer vault. They are in the health and beauty niche. The thing that made me come to a complete stop was the complaints they were giving about the product such as unwanted credit card charges.

    Now let me be clear I love what Andrew was teaching to me for his course I have bought, but the thing that got me stomped was the complaints. Over that past year I have also been taught to provide value to the customer. An if that means to provide value to the customer, then that means to me I have to provide a value able product that a customer would say or seem to valuable to them.

    So now I am rethinking of what should I do for my Internet Marketing Career as of 2013. I hear people say the money is in the list and I have Mark Ling's Affilioblueprint course. I went through the course and I learned a lot about lists and I am thinking I should do list building instead of promoting affiliate offers through Google, but instead promote offers that mean value to the subscribe on what problem they have. What do you guys think?

    I guess what I am trying to say is I am starting to get interested in list building now. As I have a lot of free ebooks about list building and how profitable it can be.
    The world is a small place. IM world, even smaller.

    Just 8 hours back, I was juggling between Affiloblueprint and Forever Affiliate course videos, the only two courses I've bought.

    And that's not it, I too chose a product based on Andrew Hansen's method, only to find it had negative reviews especially about credit card being charged in a fraudulent way. I was put off by that but have still decided to promote it, as I do believe it's a decent product. At this stage I'm more interested in learning the ins and outs of this business, and i feel both these courses perfectly complement each other.

    Zach, that could very well have been me starting that thread.

    I think the answer given by Mark Andrews is the prefect one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It's not about giving up or not giving up, Zach.

      It's about getting things done. You can spend ten years saying "I won't give up" and be in the same place as you are now.

      No one told you to give up - they told to focus on one thing and stick with it....but you quickly move to another thing or ask about a related thing or the same things you asked about months ago.

      It comes down to you - you do it or you don't. That's the hard part of IM or any work you do. All the "you can do it" support in the world from others doesn't change the outcome...only you can.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zack Sprague
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        It's not about giving up or not giving up, Zach.

        It's about getting things done. You can spend ten years saying "I won't give up" and be in the same place as you are now.

        No one told you to give up - they told to focus on one thing and stick with it....but you quickly move to another thing or ask about a related thing or the same things you asked about months ago.

        It comes down to you - you do it or you don't. That's the hard part of IM or any work you do. All the "you can do it" support in the world from others doesn't change the outcome...only you can.
        You know you are really cool kay. I give you that your really cool
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    List building is really the ONLY key to IM success... if you build a massive list you WILL make money online in the long-term...

    I actually just started a free list-building challenge so pm me for details or click my sig to start

    Cheers


    Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    You lovely lady's and handsome gentlemen may have know me already on this forum as " The guy who can't stick to one project and run with it ". I have been doing many things off and on as I have no focus. I go product to product, I guess you could say that if you would like. I have bought in total 3 courses in total as I can remember.

    I guess what I am really trying to say I am either lost or I just don't know if Internet Marketing really works. I have recently bought Andrew Hansen's forever affiliate course where its based on mini websites promoting affiliate offers ( weird little markets as he says ) in Google. He has recommended his newbies to find at least 5 affiliate offers with keywords before moving on to phase 2 which is testing. I was doing my niche research as I found my 2 affiliate offers and I was trying to find the rest of the three today.

    But I came to a complete halt as I was analyzing the competition of the affiliate offers I came across. These offers where actually products that I have found on offer vault. They are in the health and beauty niche. The thing that made me come to a complete stop was the complaints they were giving about the product such as unwanted credit card charges.

    Now let me be clear I love what Andrew was teaching to me for his course I have bought, but the thing that got me stomped was the complaints. Over that past year I have also been taught to provide value to the customer. An if that means to provide value to the customer, then that means to me I have to provide a value able product that a customer would say or seem to valuable to them.

    So now I am rethinking of what should I do for my Internet Marketing Career as of 2013. I hear people say the money is in the list and I have Mark Ling's Affilioblueprint course. I went through the course and I learned a lot about lists and I am thinking I should do list building instead of promoting affiliate offers through Google, but instead promote offers that mean value to the subscribe on what problem they have. What do you guys think?

    I guess what I am trying to say is I am starting to get interested in list building now. As I have a lot of free ebooks about list building and how profitable it can be.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
      Originally Posted by thedanbrown View Post

      List building is really the ONLY key to IM success... if you build a massive list you WILL make money online in the long-term...

      I actually just started a free list-building challenge so pm me for details or click my sig to start

      Cheers
      Sure, you can make money with a massive list, but you need to build relationship with them!

      I used to own a list with 18k+ subscribers. I made just few hundreds a month.

      Reason? I kept hammering offers, and didn't spend time in engagement.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post

    The thing that made me come to a complete stop was the complaints they were giving about the product such as unwanted credit card charges.

    Now let me be clear I love what Andrew was teaching to me for his course I have bought, but the thing that got me stomped was the complaints.
    Don't promote those products.

    Everyone decides what they will promote and why. Some people will promote whatever pays the highest commissions or has the highest conversion. Others promote whatever does the best job or gets the best reviews.

    If you don't like the reviews a product is getting, you will have to decide whether you refuse to promote it, or just plain don't give a crap as long as it pays.

    But as an affiliate, product quality is not really your problem. Vendor ethics are not really your problem, either. And before you open your mouth to start talking about how you need to care about your customers, they're not really your customers.

    If you think for one minute that the people on your website buying health and beauty products are "your" customers, try putting them on a list and selling them more later. They don't just not want your emails, they're actually going to be angry about you sending them in the first place. They wouldn't mind an email from the manufacturer, but that's not you. You're just a salesman, and they're done with you. People love to buy... but they hate to be sold.

    Now, you can MAKE those people your customers, if you want to put the work into it. If you want to spend months or years building an authority site. And then, your care for your customers will matter, and you'll start to develop loyalty and an audience that belongs to you.

    But there are plenty of happy Coca-Cola customers who do all their shopping at Safeway, and both Coca-Cola and Safeway make perfectly good money off that relationship. Coca-Cola doesn't care where you shop. Safeway doesn't care what you buy. It is not Safeway's job to make sure that you buy the best soft drinks; it is their job to make sure you shop at Safeway. It is up to Coca-Cola whether they make soft drinks people want to buy.

    Meanwhile, Safeway will merrily stock Coca-Cola and Pepsi and Jones and Reed's and Faygo and Fanta and eighty no-name brands of whatever, because they don't care what you buy. And they have perfectly loyal customers, even though some of those customers ONLY buy the big brand names and NEVER buy anything they can't get just as easily elsewhere.

    Now, if you go back to Safeway with the stuff you bought and tell them it's not as good as you expected, guess what they say?

    Tough. It's not their problem. Customer service is the manufacturer's problem. Don't like the product? Don't buy it next time. But returns and exchanges and refunds do not happen there. You'll have to contact the company.

    It's up to you how you want to run your business. You can do it the slow, methodical, conscientious way that makes your customers happy. Or you can do it the fast, efficient, ruthless way that puts money in your pocket.

    Neither choice is better than the other. It's just about what's important to you. Plenty of businesses are built on both philosophies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Now, if you go back to Safeway with the stuff you bought and tell them it's not as good as you expected, guess what they say?

      Tough. It's not their problem. Customer service is the manufacturer's problem. Don't like the product? Don't buy it next time. But returns and exchanges and refunds do not happen there. You'll have to contact the company.
      Sorry that's not true. Safeway and most other big stores WILL refund your money if you change your mind or decide you don't like it or whatever (within certain parameters).

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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        Sorry that's not true. Safeway and most other big stores WILL refund your money if you change your mind or decide you don't like it or whatever (within certain parameters).
        And yet, when my wife bought the wrong size of diapers by mistake, it was not their problem - even if the package was unopened and I had a receipt less than an hour old. See, there's a customer support address on the side of the package, and I should write to them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
          Maybe they consider that underwear and not returnable. Refund & Exchange Policy

          Or maybe you got a customer service clerk who didn't know what they were doing.

          But for most things you can get a refund if it's a reasonable request and not on the no refund list.

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          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          And yet, when my wife bought the wrong size of diapers by mistake, it was not their problem - even if the package was unopened and I had a receipt less than an hour old. See, there's a customer support address on the side of the package, and I should write to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
    Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post


    I guess what I am really trying to say I am either lost or I just don't know if Internet Marketing really works. I have recently bought Andrew Hansen's forever affiliate course where its based on mini websites promoting affiliate offers ( weird little markets as he says ) in Google. He has recommended his newbies to find at least 5 affiliate offers with keywords before moving on to phase 2 which is testing. I was doing my niche research as I found my 2 affiliate offers and I was trying to find the rest of the three today.

    But I came to a complete halt as I was analyzing the competition of the affiliate offers I came across. These offers where actually products that I have found on offer vault. They are in the health and beauty niche. The thing that made me come to a complete stop was the complaints they were giving about the product such as unwanted credit card charges.
    Zack:

    I remember there are about 10 videos in the niche research section. So you found two offers with autoship program but you don't want to promote them.

    Have you implemented other niche research strategies? My guess is you used just one technique to locate those offers. If you apply what he taught in other videos, I am perfectly sure you will find some decent, legitimate offers.

    In one of the video, Andrew showed us how to find products about the become popular. I am not sure what niche are you in, but in a big market like weight loss, there are virtually endless supply of new products. Your job is to find the them. Pay attention to TV, radio and magazine for featured products. I share one idea on my blog.

    Hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author maryannelewis
      Zack:

      Just a thought... I think you could benefit from some coaching. I kind of get the feeling from reading this thread that you need the attention you are getting, and that is okay. I just think you are still young and would benefit from getting some personal attention. If you invest in coaching, you will be more likely to follow through on accomplishing your goals. If you need the name of a good coach, pm me and I can give you a name. It's not cheap, but in the long run it's worth it if you will take the risk.

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  • Profile picture of the author Drew Trainor
    Andrew is selling his course through list building and email marketing so I would do what he does and not what he says.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
      Originally Posted by Drew Trainor View Post

      Andrew is selling his course through list building and email marketing so I would do what he does and not what he says.
      That's right. But you have to know he doesn't operate in just IM niche!

      Correct me if I am wrong, but one of his major business model is to build mini sites (based on product keywords) and rank them on Google for traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    That policy complies with legal requirements on manufacturer's defects. The first condition on it is "All exchanged products must be checked according to the Safeway/TSC Refund and Exchange." This translates to "If we feel like it."
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  • Profile picture of the author Zack Sprague
    Currently I am not giving up on his teachings. I have decided instead of aiming for building 5 sites at a time since I am on a budget. I'll just create one that I know will convert for the affiliate offer that I have picked along with the keywords. I have the website up, but now I just need to put Google analytic's on the simplo theme he suggests. An figure out how I can put the banner ad on the simplo theme ( even though I have followed his instructions on how to put in on there and it isn't wanting to work ).
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  • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
    Originally Posted by Zack Sprague View Post

    Hello handsome
    You had me at hello and handsome. lol
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