Making Money Online, Is It A Big Fat Lie?????

There are a lot of bullshit people in the internet world, you can easily do photoshop.

But there are also successful people, who earn a lot of money.

Making money online is not a big fat lie, rather it demands hard work and patience.

Thats all you'll ever be left with is to wonder. They aren't letting you nor I see their bank accounts. I'd love to hire a forensic accountant and give you an answer. Looks like we'll just have to mind our own business.

Buyer Beware:

Is tens of thousands per month your bench mark? For me, a full-time living
working part time hours from home is more than good enough. But there are
6 (and a few 7) figure marketers here. No doubt.

Making money online, in itself, is possible. The lie resides in the way a lot of "gurus" present their "opportunities"... As you've probably understood by now, payment screenshots can easily be faked. I could present you a $10k / week screenshot if I wanted to... It would mean nothing.

OK, this comes up about once a week in one form or another, and I'll take the psychological approach.

Are there people making money offline?

Are there people making money online?

Maybe what you are really wondering; if it's possible for for YOU to make money online?

No matter how hard anyone tries to answer this last question for you, it's entirely up to you.

People can, and do make decent livings via the Internet... I've been doing it for the past 15 years.

How much constitutes 'decent' is a matter for the individual but I'm certainly not complaining. As one of the other posters said, it does take hard work and you have to be willing to stick at things... which is where most people will fail.

Now I'm not at the 10's of thousands level quite yet but if/when it does happen you can rest assured that I most certainly won't be posting about it here nor will I ever post my earnings.

What I earn is my business and nobody elses... it's been that way since I had my first job at 20 years old driving a stupid delivery van for BD Copp in Exter, Devon.

Steve

I think there is plenty of opportunity to make money online. The biggest
"lie" is you can do it without any money invested or very little like $20.
Once you realize how much is really involved at the very least you will need
to spend some money on tools that help you do your work. Not to mention
you will have to pay to outsource some work, marketing costs etc etc etc.

You can indeed make a whole bunch of money on the internet but very few people do. I would guess only about 5% make money and only about 1% make REAL MONEY.

The majority of people aren't willing to put in the work. They think making money online is supposed to be easy. It may be easier than running an offline business, but it still requires a similar amount of work. If you think the average IM can make money with less than a few hundred hours of time investment, you're only kidding yourself.

ha ha. Nice post. I imagine at one point or another everyone has the same thought. I think both can be true: yes, many people lie. Yes, there are some people who are extremely smart-they see things others don't. A third option is to keep working until you start making. It's not that you can't make what they do, however, they didn't make $100,000 in 2 days. I never buy from marketers that make such hyped up claims.

I heard Google's newest algo is some type of truth filter .. in a few short days everything you read on the internet will be 100% true.

Making money online is absoluetly real, I know because I do it myself.

You can definitely make good money online.
you need patience and hardworks.
There is no such shiny thing that can
transform your income immediately.

Go casino if you want immediate result.
Good luck!!

I've never made any in Internet Marketing because most people
don't want to buy an Internet, but one person did put a few pennies
and a shiny washer in my hat when I went Offline. Also an acorn.

Thankfully I don't have to worry about it anymore, because my
my fiance in Thailand just found out that her uncle was an African
prince, and after we send him some money to the Bank of Ethiopia
to help him escape the country, he's going to give her millions
to thank her for saving his life.

I didn't have enough yet though so I sent all of my savings through
the foreign exchange markets. So far all $26 are worth 1500 pesos,
so I think that is like a 57% profit, and I don't even have to do
any work, the software that this secret hacker sold me for $30
is going to do it all for me.

Anyway once we are rich and married I want to set-up some
autoblogs to scrape and spin content from around the web,
and make money from CPA and AdSense. That way we
don't have to work but we'll still be multiplying our income
through several streams.

I believe there is what I could consider as excessive advertising where people are trying to get your attention with results (mostly screenshots) they didn't really get; but you can definitely make money from the internet.

I can confirm that you can make money online - as I do it myself. Sure, I do not make $10,000 a week but I make enough to top up my income and provide for my family, support the home and raise two children. It can be done, but like everyone is saying in here there are no magic buttons. You have to think of it like a real business that needs time and investment to make it work.

Hope this helps.
John

Its all about failure, you get frustrated, dedicated, frustrated, no results, looses hope, look some other business, then you think you have something again you try you fail.You keep learning and you try for perfection in your next work.

I think if you fail in something, like earning from internet marketing then you should take a break from it for some time. Now that sometime is how much ? you will get an answer from your inside.

There are people who are earning good money from internet, but they have put their hard work and money in project.Some started early and some started late.

Value is the goal you should look for, your product should make others happy. If you are able to do it then you will get good business.

Today its very hard for a newbee to earn good money early, which it was not earlier.

I think today businesses are more innovation driven.

I always wonder why the so called high earners are selling $7 WSO's or $29 MP3 files.
That said It is very possible to make money online.

Making money online is no different than any other business. People tend to focus on the wrong things in my opinion. I know I did when I first started. I was looking at things like how to drive traffic, product creation, etc. What I really should have been studying is how to run a business.

You can get all the traffic in the world but if you can't sell, you're done.
You can create the best offer in the world but if no one sees it, you're done.
You can have an audience and be a conversion machine, but if you make $500,000 and spend it all on a car, you're done.
You can make a million dollars in a month but if you can't handle your cash flow, you're done.
You can make a million dollars in a year but if you don't have an accountant, you're done.
You can sell 10,000 units of a product but if you don't have a support staff in place, you're done.

I can go on for hours. Concentrate on learning how to run a business first then worry about products and prospects. Without basic business knowledge you really can't survive.

I think another reason why people ask this question all the time is because there are a ton of marketers who ONLY make money selling products to people showing them how they made money selling "how to make money online" products to other people.

Then there are people who make money online, which none of us know about, who make Guru's earnings claims look like chump change.

If you can get access to someone like that, that's who you want to follow.

It is true for some, but there are also fake money maker who claims a lot of achievements to upsell their product.

This is a question only a small child should be asking.

There are tons of people earning significant incomes 'online.' This trend has been going on for decades. Even if some people fake income claims it has no bearing on anything else.

I believe that you can make thousands online, the same way you can make thousands offline. If you are well-organized you can, but this organization is not a simple matter.

If you will be patient and hard-working, you will find a money making method which fits to you

They (whoever 'they' are) busy themselves with creating sales funnels, products, webinars and email marketing because THIS is what makes them their money. If they didn't 'bother' with this then they'd make no money!

To the OP, are you seriously suggestion that you think no one is making money online or none of these people you see claiming X amount per month is telling the truth? Come on. Of course there are plenty of people making lots of money through the internet just like there are lots of people making lots of money in various other aspects of life.

People just need to accept that online business is no different to offline business, whilst much cheaper you still need to spend money to make money.

A short and simple answer to your question is, YES!

The easiest way to make money online is in the make money online niche, because the easiest sale is to pray on those that are desperate to change their finances and are filled with blind hope and will quickly buy a $5, $10, $20 and so on, even up into the $1000's product that has good copy-writing, telling them that they can make 6 to 7 figure income on autopilot with virtually no work or additional investment. Why because they are desperate and Naïve. and when that individual wises up and cuts ties with the so called "guru" its no skin off the gurus back because a FOOL IS BORN EVERY MINUTE!!!! Look at all the garbage MLM's and WSO's completely praying on an individuals inexperience and desperation, but they dont care because they are making money and in some cases good money. Do you really think someone is going to share a proven good money maker to the masses for only a few bucks along with creating more competition for themselves, NO I dont think and you shouldnt either. I personally could never go this route no matter how much money I could make because my conscience could never allow it, but many do it every day without batting an eye. Now I am not saying that you cant bits and pieces of good info in some WSO's but more than likely you will never find a complete package to get you to making the amount of money they are claiming you could make for a couple of reasons; they dont want more competition, and they want to keep drip feeding you new products to buy.

The other option is countless research, testing, and long hours. Imagine that it takes hard work to make money no matter what the industry. If making lots of money online was really that easy dont you think every body and their momma would be doing it. The people that make money via this option most likely arent going to be openly talking about how they are making money, Unless you are part of mastermind or a close friend.

Anything is possible just most aren't plausible but nothing is possible without hard work.

Best of luck to you!

You can make money online. You just have to know how to go about it. Do not expect to get rich overnight. You have to be willing to work hard and learn new things. There are many ways to make some extra money online. I am proof of it. Am I rich? Not by any means but it is some extra money to keep me happy.

I know some people that have made a lot of money online, however when I see someone claiming that they made millions upon millions of dollars and they come on here selling their secret for $7 dollars I take the skeptical route. Sure, they all claim that they want to help, but if you wanted to help why not just give it away or have a free seminar for everybody where they didn't have to buy another one of your products? I just think that if I had millions of dollars, I would have better things to do than charging $7 dollars for my secret.

Making money online is true! But what most people fail to tell you is ...

1. it takes HARD WORK
2. you will not become rich - or even make money your first month or 2 online (for most people)

If you follow a plan that has been proven to succeed - then replicate it, you will find success. But run from anyone who says you will make 1,000s in a weeks time.

The quick gravitation toward thinking that making money
online is a fat lie is often the fox-calling-the-grapes-sour
syndrome. If I'm trying to make money online but failing,
then it is easier to think that it is impossible to make
money online, and that all who make these claims are
snake oil gurus with fake screen shots, than to think
that I am a failure.

The grapes I failed to reach must be sour.

It is so obvious that people are making money online
that to think otherwise is CRAZY.

-Ray Edwards

Of course it's not. Yet 90% of people according to statistics fails to do it. There are many ingredients involved in achieveing success online (or offline, for that matter) such as doing research, selecting the right niche, finiding or creating products, creating a strategy and plan, sticking to it, working persistently, checking on progress and readjusting your plans according to the situation - these are only some that most people fail adhering to and doom themselves to failure.

Maybe a better question should be "if someone wanted to make money online, what would they have to do"?

They would have to have something to sell. A place to sell it from. A way to get paid. Find people to buy it.

1. Have a Product. You can sign up for free, (no fees) to be an affiliate for a product.

2. Get Paid. Get a Paypal account to get paid. Or with a Clickbank product, you don't even need a Paypal account.

3. Website. Put up a website to sell the product from. If you just want to test the waters, you can get a free bog site at Blogger. They will let you monetize that site with Adsense and Amazon or you can put the link to your affiliate program on that page.

4. Get Traffic. Think about where the people that would buy the product you are an affiliate for would be on the Internet. Go to where those people are and try to convince them to come back to your site (maybe offer them something for going to your site) Write a post that gives them a good reason for those folks to check out the link to your affiliate program.

Each of those steps can be made to be more complex, but it isn't necessary to complicate them in order to make money online.

Here is a simple little formula: Traffic x Conversions x Commission = Profit

If the sales page for the product converted at 2% and you got a $25 commission per sale and wanted to make $5000 a month, how much traffic would you need to send to that sales page?

If you can't see being able to send enough people to the page to make the $5000 a month, then you can look at how many people you do get and find a product that gives you a big enough commission to make the $5000 a month.

If you look at all things considered, and realize that you can't make the $5000 a month work out with that niche, then find another niche.

Once you set up a simple funnel and start seeing results, you will know what you need to learn to do better and you will know what adjustments you need to make.

The best aeronautical engineers in the world can sit in a room and come up with ideas, theories, and plans but it still takes a Chuck Yeager to jump in the damn plane and see if it will fly.

Dumb topic name...

Saying that making money online is a lie is the same as saying making money offline is a lie...

Making money online is a wide statement. Just take a look at people who do eBay, amazon, fiverr etc. Obviously thousands upon thousands of people are making fortune with those services(except fiverr. I doubt that many people make good money with it, unless your service is good that it swallows.)

As for Entrepreneurs, from my own experience I can tell that only 20% of them are making what they tell. The other 80% are just Entrepreneur wannabes. Probably aren't making a penny, just lying so you can join their affiliate links/programs and be confident about it.

Yes, i know, it's beautiful!

Fiverr seller buys a house with Fiverr earnings

Anarchofighter, You’re a Fiverr Super Seller! - The Official Fiverr Blog | The Official Fiverr Blog

He sells copywriting for $5. I've seen his work and it's worth about....$5. Obviously not short on orders though.

Of course there's people who show fake screen shots... but that's not a REAL online business and those people fall off overnight. There are definintely real people online making millions of dollars though, the median salary for internet marketers in the US is around $89,000

I totally agree with this comment. Can't we all remember when we were starting out? I think in my experience when you find someone or a few people who are trusted trainers, then stick with them. Learn all you can by reading, especially on forums to get a feel for what it's all about.
If you see the sales pages - over the top "how I made $$$$ in 7 days"...blah...blah...blah be wary! It does take time to learn and implement the basics, like any reputable, worthwhile business.
Good luck

Neither of these things is true. All you have to do to make money is this:

- Do something to try and make money
- If it does make money, do more of it
- If it doesn't make money, stop it

It is that simple. Everybody will tell you so. And then people who don't make money complain "then why don't I make money?!"

Because you're not doing things that make money.

And they go "but these things don't make enough money!"

Then you're not doing enough of them.

And they say "but I'm working really hard!"

That's because you're doing stuff that doesn't make money.

It's simple math: if you are doing a lot of stuff, and you are not making a lot of money, you are doing stuff that doesn't make money.

Sometimes what you are doing is more important than making money. There is, after all, a reason you are doing it. You made a choice to do whatever it is you're doing, and it may have been a smart choice.

Now, on to your specific questions:

- There is no software to bring traffic to your site. Traffic is people. You can't control people with software. That's just common sense.

- Getting rich while sleeping is a large-scale case of making money while sleeping. It usually means doing work while you're awake.

- Set it and forget it is what we call "passive income." Most things that do this won't do it forever.

The holy grail, to most people, is something easy that anyone can do once and it will always create passive income that lasts forever.

And as long as we're dreaming, I'd like a pony.

You can get close. But the best you can get is something easy that you can do once and it will usually create passive income that lasts a long time.

And the "you" part is the important bit. You don't normally get there by changing the system, but by changing you.

Let's say you start out building AdSense sites. The first few you make take days, and you don't make much money from them. Then you get better. You start being able to do one in a day. Then in an hour. Then in ten or fifteen minutes. And you drive the efficiency upward, so each site makes more money.

Most people are stupid, and think this is because they found some new system. It's not. It's because they got good at the existing system. The honest vendors say this outright - niche selection is an art, keyword research doubly so, and until you get a solid handle on it you will be a dork and not make any money.

The less-honest vendors - whether deliberately or through ignorance - hang out this "new" system like it's some kind of secret. In some cases, they don't even understand this system isn't going to work for everyone. In the rest, they don't know why.

They develop extensive and elaborate schemes to explain why this is your fault and not theirs.

And they do this precisely because they are not smart. Because they don't really understand why their method of keyword research works, or how their niche selection process operates. They simply haven't thought about it. They're blundering around in the dark sniffing for money, and then - when they find some - explaining the funny dance they were doing when it happened.

It's like buying a "how to meet women" guide and being taught to dance the Charleston, because that's what the author was doing when he met his wife. But for some reason, while we can see how retarded that is, we don't see people doing the same thing in the "make money" guides.

What we really need is "be a better person" guides.

For starters, how many of you solely use the internet as a primary source of income? Anyone that still has to commute to work for the man/women might be who you're talking about, right? Any takers?

you can believe what you want, but I get money out of the internet!

Hey,

Making money online is a very real thing. Here's my story (in short)

I started out with eBay about 7 years ago and by last year I was making $2 - $3k a month strictly dropshipping. I came on this forum because I was tired of eBay and the amount of work was way too much for the returns I was getting. I was like you too wondering about a lot of these marketers and if they really make that crazy kind of money but a lot of them are actually true.

Some people are making 10k 20k even 100k a month online, but what you have to understand is these people laid down the ground work for years and they have plenty of blogs to build their list with whatever they're offering (usually an ebook) and today they have mastered the marketing and they make serious bank.

I came on this forum to learn about internet marketing and guess what? I'm making a full time living online now and growing! I laid some ground work (about 7 months) of intense work, buying WSO's and applying it.

These guys work hard and to sum it up YES it is very possible to making a living online.

Good Luck and start doing some research and I wish you well.

Bobby Dot

Making money is possible in just about every realm. The online marketing lifestyle is becoming more popular as we move into an economy where the average person is surrounded by computers: In their job, on their phone, in their personal life, etc.

You are going to experience failures.... it happens to the best of us... but it's essential to determining whether you have the strength and resolve to push on to the next idea.

Be wary who you trust out there, there are some good people, however there are also a lot of vultures.

Probably some salary research site, like this one:

Internet Marketer Salary | Indeed.com

If you look at the chart up top, it says internet marketers make $55k. If you scroll down, it says the "related" job of "Internet Marketer" makes $90k.

That's a corporate marketing job, though, and not even remotely what people like us do.

From my personal experience if you hard work probably you could make good income and living income stream without more stress.

Lol, I can show you my paypal account financial summary, bank account statements, roughly 10,000 cash with my username written across one of the 100 dollar bills, and exactly how I did it and exactly what I promoted from clickbank type affiliate sites.

But yea, some entrepreneurs do great, but usually they never really tell you what they sell.

And as one person said... you can't do it for under $20.00 start up.... Thats probably true... cause it cost me roughly 80 dollars to make well into the 10s of thousands.

There is no myth about making money (whether it's offline or online). It's just an exchange of value. You serve the customer with a need or a want, they pay you to solve their problem.

Too many people focus on the money when they should be focusing on simply solving peoples challenges in exchange for money, and therein lies the missing link. Many think that solving peoples problems is easy, it's not - it's quite challenging to put in the hard work to find and implement a viable solution, and most people don't like to take up that challenge. Mentally they'll want someone else to 'do' it for them. But if someone else does it, you don't learn, and once that someone or something has gone, you're back at square one. Own your learning, skills and knowledge.

If you are a solution orientated person, you'll always be able to make money anywhere, since you are always focused on serving. Try buying a case of bottled water and taking it to the top of a hill, selling it to thirsty walkers and climbers at the peak... Most people (98%) don't want to walk to the top of the hill first to get their before the climbers. That 98% of people will take the easy route and wait at the bottom of the hill and sell the water before the climbers go up, however the climbers aren't thirsty at the bottom of the hill, and they'll be cursing you when they get to the top for not helping them when they need it and where they need it.

Creating an income with Internet Business makes it easier to generate a passive income simply because the business models and technology can be set up to auto deliver products and services, so you work on the business rather than in the business (as in the case of contractors who trade time for money, although you can do that online too). Read Robert Kyosaki's Cashflow Quadrant for more great stuff on developing this.

Any business takes time, and there are no overnight successes in business, you have to put in the apprenticeship and apply yourself, that's the rules of the game of life (without being too deep here )

A lot of the online make money products don't build in that element of ongoing support, you buy the product and you're on your own on how to implement it for your business, which is why a lot of people end up here in the Warrior Forum looking for coaching. Finding a supportive mentor can help here, but you have to be willing to want to grow yourself too. Constant personal development and growth is one of the key foundations of business, and without that missing element you will feel like you're treading quicksand.

Robert Greene's book 'Mastery' is a great read if you really want to know the story behind being the best in your field, I'd recommend it to the OP and anyone else who want's to understand and measure their progress on their entrepreneurial journey. It takes about 10,000 hours of work, or 7-10 years to accumulate enough experience to be a master. If you are on year 1 right now then you're doing yourself a disservice to think that you should be where the year 7'ers are, you're being way too hard on yourself..

You have to approach any business like a marathon, it's a long run, and you're going to hit walls along the way. Whether you break through those walls and reach success or give up on the sidelines, accept failure and walk away really is simply down to you.

uh oh... I think they are on to us!

Game over.

The simple answer to your question is yes, you can make a lot of money online. However it seldom is as simple as the "gurus" would lead you to believe.

It takes time, patience and networking with the right people to get anywheres online. There are a lot of scammers out there that are trying to sell the 'magic button" to make you rich overnight.

It takes awhile to learn what works, who to listen too and who to ignore

It's a lie for people who think so, truth for people who believe so and also generate income for people who act so.

I have worked with 7 figure gurus and been fortunate to hang out with others at the bar. Most make a high percentage of their money from speaking at seminars and selling from the stage.

So yes the gurus do make a ton of money... but they all have multiple income streams.

One thing they all have in common is that they build real businesses with real world business practices... which almost no one on here does. They also have high ticket programs from $5k upwards. So do the math.

Sal

Some people try and success, while the other are failed, just like an exam and every other thing in life. Some people find a good place to work, while some other are not. Why we should concern with other people's success when it can be easily faked, we all know that these big people is truly earn money, but not that big, it is just a way to promote their business. Can't blame them for that.

Both type of people are there, some are fake some are real. But only thing is nothing is easy. It required great intelligence and desperation for both categories of people. lol

If you did not got that type success which you are dreaming about, then don't stop yourself, keep continue the journey and one day your dream will come true.

Cheers

I believe there are lots of people making money online and I think most of them are the ones that sell products to people like you and me. It seems to me that most of the so call successful people are the ones that market to other people that want to make money online.
I make some money every week online, but it is not enough to brag about. The thing that gets me sometimes is that you spent so much time and effort trying to make money, but the amount of effort never seems to equal what you make. I have learned to be patient and continue to do the things I am doing to make my business a success. I know it takes time and effort and I also know that it will happen for me one day.
What really surprises me sometimes about trying to make money online is the fact that you can put so much effort into one thing and it may make a few dollars. But you can have something else that you put hardly in effort into and it makes some money continuously. Go figure.
The other unfortunate part about trying to make money online is the fact that the people who are making it keep their secrets to themselves. I don't' blame them because if you share your secrets there will be a few knuckleheads out there that will try to exploit your ideas.

Over 15 years I've made a ton of money just selling information or affiliate marketing. Back in the day I had to email the eBook instead of instant download lol. But let me say, selling actual products does extremely well! I used to buy-up large quantities of popular products that were going to be discontinued from the market. Products like the original metabolife 356 with Ephedra, Orudis KT over the counter brand etc. Then turn around and sell the products for triple what I paid for it. Focusing on physical products does very well.

I worked for an internet company in the past, and £15,000 a day was a pretty normal day. Around 300 orders a day, average purchase value of £50 with an average website conversion rate of around 10%. It was all very real.

Making money online is true, i proved it by myself although not too much money so far. at least it proved that get money from internet is true.

There is a lot of bullshti around, but trust me , if you're really committed and want too then you'll make money
just stuck to a plan, dont try too many methods at once, don't listen to people who say you won't make money, then you can succeed
kayme

You can show the income of thousands of dollars by easily editing some income image pages in Photoshop.

Doing Services which help people make their work easier is one of the best ways to make money online and its true..

the question that you should be asking is NOT "is it possible to make great money online"

instead you should be asking

"how are these people making all this money online and what i can learn from it"

Paul

Some people are earning money online by showing some fake photoshop images and making fool out of people. Some people are really making money. You may never able to justify a person is telling lie or true without getting in touch with him.

Its a good idea to buy IM based products here on the WF that way you can read reviews and ask questions before you purchase.

It is a gold mine ! Nothing compares to the web PERIOD !!!!!!

It's 24/7
365 day/year business whether you're online or NOT ! Best of all, it can be translated in multiple languages !!!!

Plus, it's expending at a crazy rate. Ain't about to go away TRUST ME !!!!

Finally, you can be a "one man show" and make a fortune !!!!

Try to find something else in the world that can beat that !!!

I've been online since 97 and i still didn't find anything else...

Lots of people trying to sell snake oil out there. It's difficult trying to separate the genuine opportunities from the BS. You only really get to hear about those that have made 6 figure incomes as it's used to hook you in. Telling you how many people failed won't sell anything.

Actually if making money is a big fat lie, then we wouldn't have this forum now.

I managed to earn ~$10000 with TweetAdder affiliate program (using 20 twitter account + my blog) within 2 years, but recently twitter changed its rules it doesn't work anymore...

It is definitely possible to make money online but I think too many people start this business with the wrong mindset. Most of them want to find the magic system that do not requires them to do much work. The true fact is that this kind of system never exist.

I think the key is still in providing good values and solution to customers so that they will be willing to spend the money.

If you know about the uncertainly principle, Shrodinger's cat, multiple universes etc, then it all makes perfect sense. You live in a version of reality where making money is all a lie and I live in a version of reality where the truth is different.

Occasionally, our separate realities meet via a warp in the fabric of spacetime and the gravity of the Warrior Forum is sometimes sufficient to bend it far enough so that we can communicate. But take heart friend, you can transform your reality.

As those meerkats say, 'simples'!

Will

I'm not a big fan of so-called money-making systems (I'm going to be pounced on now) people saying, "here's how I made [insert obscene amount here] online in 3 days" and everyone then expects the same results. A lot of the top guys who are making this kind of money have been around since the very beginning, when there was no competition, no social media, just lots of directories and a couple of long-forgotten search engines. They got legions of fans who keep buying their various information products and then follow them blindly. The fact is to make money online it's very much the same as making money online. You can either work online (as VA, freelancer, etc) or start an online business. In the first case you need to pound the virtual pavement to find work. If setting up an online business you need to realize that yours is just one of zillions so you need to A, stand out from the pack and B offer something people want, not just the same recycled drivel and finally, C, be one of the very rare few who have the tenacity to keep going, keep going, every day, because it's that small minority with the tenacity and will to keep driving forward that succeed, online or otherwise, compared to the others who give up because it's not easy. Making money online is not a big fat lie. Making EASY money online is.

Well.....

some of them are just throwing around figures to get your attention...

some of them are really making it - but they are not giving you all the pieces to the puzzle...

and then there are the real guys - who are really trying to help people

the problem is that the inexperienced internet marketer has little way of knowing which is which...

especially since (as we all know) you can literally "create" a reputation for yourself online

The way that these big gurus try to get you into their business is by using words like GET RICH WHILE SLEEPING, and SET IT AND FORGET IT. In reality what most of them are teaching you is how to make money by sending emails to a list. You can make $1000's while you sleep if you have a big email list and send out an email promoting something. I do know lots of people who make millions by using a list, but I don't know anyone personally making millions by trying to sell weird systems that promise you riches, but honestly, they are selling a lie or not telling you the full truth behind the system, because there is no easy button, and if you really want to make big bucks, you have to work hard.

How much you make depends on how much work and dedication and drive you have for this industry, you can't become a millionaire over night, but yes... You can be earning while you sleep eventually

you can make money online, but I see where your coming from, because one of the ways to make money online is to sell MMO products to people who want to make money online, so its created a lot of deception. It amazes me that a complete newbie can make money online by selling MMO products to other newbies.

To be honest... Some people lie and brag about false riches...

But there are others like us... Many of us! The WF is full of us who are making a decent living online. By helping others... Now come on, a good deed a day is awesome! But online... you can do good deeds hourly!

peace,

Craig

I recently joined the forum. I'm relatively new to blogging and online marketing. I thought long and hard about the niche I could serve best. I've been producing fresh, timely and i believe valuable content everyday. However, I seem to be missing something. I get about 60 unique visitors each day. I don't know if that's good, bad or somewhere in between.

It seems to me that there's a ton of hype about traffic generation and the income potential available. I sure could use some help cutting through the noise. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated?

Thanks in advance,
Joe Benevides
Macs4newbies.com

Most of it IS a big fat lie...

Some very cunning people out there who follow trends and develop products (with no real experience) that they know will go nowhere and have you spinning your wheels so to speak - keeping you in their sales funnel. --> that's how they make money.

Old scam, new technology.

Having said that - IM is like any business, it takes dedicated "strategery" and common sense to figure out what works for you.

Having your own products is ideal, you control the marketing more - and take on more responsibility and costs

It is not a lie, you CAN make BIG money online HOWEVER it does not happen overnight and I would not believe any program or "system" that states this.

Most of the big earning screenshots if they are indeed true will be after months of hard work arranging JV's and setting up massive ad campaigns.

The ONLY way I have found to make money online is after a lot of hard work. I am talking 12-14 hour days sometimes.

There are no shortcuts or at least I havent found one.

There are whole industries built to cater to people that ARE making money online. I just joined this forum to find more of these people. I work for Zombatree. I will be reading and learning as much as I can,.

Thank you

Someone already said it, but internet marketing is like owning a business or being an investor.

You are investing your time and money, into a very delicate benefit vs risk scenario. So saying that internet marketing is a big fat lie, would be comprable to saying that business is a big fat lie, or that investing is a big fat lie.

They are ALL just a means of producing income.

The problem is, just due to what I know about human nature, most people have to be told what to do on a daily basis. Most people want to believe, that they can be their own boss, and fully direct their own lives, but this simply isn't true.

There are many people out there who have become handicapped by their society, ever since the day they were born

Stuff like:

"Don't touch that, you will break it!"
"You shouldn't ask that type of question, its not polite!"
"Don't play in the sand pit, because you might get dirty!"
"Don't date that girl, because her fathers an alcholic!"
"Go to college, than you'll get a great job and won't have to worry about money!"

Our ENTIRE lives are riddled with direct and indirect commands, that are given to us by our families, our friends, our society in general.

We are all robbed off profound learning experiences, millions of times throughout the course of our lives. Its like that president of Harvard who said "education is expensive yes, but nothing like the cost of ignorance".

If you really wanted to, you can say that "life" in general is one big fat lie. You could say that "people" are one big fat lie. 1 out of every 7 words that comes out of a persons mouth is a lie. This is a stat that data has suggested time and time again. Lots of research has been done on it. So people in general, are just liars. It doesn't really even matter what they're talking about. Chances are, they just lied about something.

But I'm getting off topic.

The topic is how most people are creatively, emotionally, and even physically, handicapped. You don't have to be missing an arm and a leg, to be physically handicapped (see? I just lied to you, but I "have to" to make a simple point =]). Maybe you decided to join the army, because your dad did, but you realize you hate it... the problem is, you've already invested 3,4.. 7 years of your life in the army. So you lack skills to do other things that you really want to. You have to start all over from scratch, in order to escape your daily physical/emotional reality.

My main point is, most people are experts at creating limits in their life.
They prefer to continue on a path they know, even if its robbing them of a fulfilling future, rather than a path they've never traveled before.

Even though we are told great things when we are children, the reality is, most of us learn a great deal of helplessness.

In a weird way, a true entrepenuer, is major anti-conformist.

1) They challenge everything they are taught/told.
2) They know how to follow a path, and direct their own lives, fully absolved of outward societal pressures & constraints. They don't let society choose their paths.
3) They know how to accurately evaluate risk, based on data. Rather than data based on words that comes from friends & family. Stuff like "this would be a good job, its got benefits and if you slave hard enough you can make $35/hr by the time your 50".
4) They are free thinkers.
5) They know how to turn off emotions in a manner that many people would consider cold, calculated or even "evil". That whole concept of firing your own mother if she's not making the sales you need.

So basically, to make money, you have to swim against the current, on a daily basis... for the rest of your life.

Which is why I commonly say, to get started making money, you should ignore what 99% of people tell you. Either that, or become really good at filtering out the garbage.

Garbage to me, would be recommendations like: "just do adsense! become an amazon affiliate! sell clickbank products!".

I'm not bashing people who do, but sometimes its really hard to see what problems you're solving, when you don't even buy or know a thing about half the shit you're selling. Thats what I call a "risky" investment.

Aim as high as possible, but fully evaluate all the risks. Thats my best advice. Because even if you fail to reach your main goal, you are still very likely to be successful.

I have been working in the Network marketing industry for about a year now. I consider myself to still be a beginner only because I am just now starting to generate a good lead base and really am starting to see results. Like most people who have posted said it really takes time. And TRAINING TRAINING TRAINING. Never stop learning it is imperitive. Don't give up man I have been there and wasted thousands on bogus schemes that were listed.

The sites that list the click it and forget it are total scams as far as what I have experienced. I joined several and still to this day have not mad a single penny off of any of those sites.

If you really want to be successful in this then really look for programs that are geared towards training. Also some that help you finance your future endeavers. In other words use the training you receive to generate an income so you can you guessed it advance into different marketing venues such as facebook and twitter. Once you have a little income coming in it will motivate you and keep you focused. I personally bought into this one www.7FigureAffiliates.com and really like it for no other reason but because it really has tons of trainig in both video form and PDF form. Hope this helped.

I think more often than not, it's not lies, but systems that worked and then began to falter. Why would anyone in his right mind give away a system pulling in thousands a month for only $10 or $17. I wouldn't. Would you?

I know there are exceptions. A few have become millionaires and kept their system to themselves for a long time, then decided they wanted something different - a bit of IM fame or a reputation so they can move into bigger forays, like seminars and consulting.

But in any case hype does sell, which makes some offers seem totally bogus after the attempt and failure to succeed to the level of the hype.

Of course making money online is possible. But you need to stop believing the crap the clickbank "gurus" tell you. You need to pick a method and focus only on that.