English Grammar Question

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Hello,
In reference to this thread
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...d-grammar.html

If I mention in my posts or articles that English is not my native language and I am sorry for any Grammatical Errors, will it help in increasing the trust factor or in increase of sales, provided the content is good.

Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
    On a site or here?

    Personally, I would outsource. I would never right my own content in Hungarian. I might write an outline, but I'd pass it on to someone else to actually write for me. Someone who understands all the nuances.

    As you don't just have to get the grammar right, but you have to get the "feel" right. Hit the right note for your audience.

    Oh, and I've noticed, don't apologize for your English!!! You're the one who's made the effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheEye
    All native English speakers make grammatical errors.

    Even within a city, the grammar changes depending on where in the city you are.

    What you need to get is the rhythm of the region you are targeting.

    I am told that the American Mid West accent is the dialect of English most easily understood throughout the English speaking world.

    When you are writing, use your favorite actor from Hollywood as the voice inside your head.

    Don't apologize for the problem, fix the problem. Though bad grammar is not a problem unless it stops the reader while reading your material.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Woods
    Iv got to agree with Budabrit, I am English and if there is an obvious grammar mistake it jumps out at you, almost stopping you. I can say though, I have to proofread my articles several times as I sometimes put errors in there.
    Instead of risking this you could either outsource, or a cheaper option would be to get your articles proof-read. something like 'http://www.proof-reading-service.com/' (Please note I have not used these services).

    Also, are you looking for 'English' English or 'American' English? Depending on your market there are a few spelling variations etc.
    Hope I have helped.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    You need to think in terms of your reader. If they can't understand what you're sainy,g or the point you're trying to get across, or it makes the reading hard, apologising beforehand isn't going to help you.

    Get someone to proof read the content, or outsource it.

    I think it's good to have 'yourself' in the content you create, so long as it doesn't detract from what you're trying to achieve. Maybe ask friends to read the content and tell you if it is hard to understand. If they think it is hard to understand and they're your friends, you have your answer. If they don't think it is hard to understand then you may be okay.

    The other thing you could do is ask your readers if they find it difficult to understand you, and specifically what was hard to understand. Call it a survey or something...
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    We all make grammatical errors, that is proven in this thread (most likely my post to). Honestly, I wouldn't even mention it, I actually think it will harm your business depending where you are from. If you command a good grip of the English langue and you get your words the correct way round, not many people will care about a hyphen etc... A common mistake I see with foreign people writing in English is when they mess the words up, for example: How do I traffic get, this should read, how do I get traffic... If your not confident in your skills then as others say, outsource it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      There is a big difference between outright bad grammar that many native English speakers don't even notice they are using (and which annoy a lot of people because it makes copy hard to read and give the impression that the writer doesn't care) and errors that non-natives often use. The latter are usually very easy to identify and, in my own opinion, are less irritating.

      To the OP, I would definitely mention that you are a non-native English speaker. I'm not sure you need to apologize, but it can do no harm to mention it and explain that as a result one or two grammatical inconsistencies may slip through.

      You could even ask visitors to your site to contact you to suggest corrections.

      All this would have several benefits: more interraction, less annoyance and, perhaps most importantly, you will be presenting yourself as a real person.

      I can't see any downside.

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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    Just a passing thought to throw into the mix. In the rush to write in English, how many of you are missing out on your local market? Maybe people who speak your own language would appreciate an excellent site written in their own language and which they can easily understand?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I am told that the American Mid West accent is the dialect of English most easily understood throughout the English speaking world.
      Excellent point, when considering the spoken language. More specifically, the accent common to the southern shores of the Great Lakes.

      That is followed closely by a woman's voice with a refined British accent. Christiane Amanpour is the definitive example.

      Back to the OP's question: Yes. It helps. If someone mentions that English is a second language for them, I am immediately reminded that they speak my language far more fluently than I speak theirs. I respect and appreciate that effort.


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      • Profile picture of the author Chiayee
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Back to the OP's question: Yes. It helps. If someone mentions that English is a second language for them, I am immediately reminded that they speak my language far more fluently than I speak theirs. I respect and appreciate that effort.


        Paul
        Hey Paul,

        Your kind thought is highly appreciated!

        At time, we non native English speakers become laughing stock due to our accent and grammar mistakes. However, it's never easy to pick up second language especially for adults. This is what a lot of native speakers (who don't speak another language) fail to understand.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Back to the OP's question: Yes. It helps. If someone mentions that English is a second language for them, I am immediately reminded that they speak my language far more fluently than I speak theirs. I respect and appreciate that effort.


        Paul
        Just to play devil's advocate, what about potential customers who do speak another language well, and therefore might think that the OP is lazy and sloppy?
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Alex,
          Just to play devil's advocate, what about potential customers who do speak another language well, and therefore might think that the OP is lazy and sloppy?
          I don't waste my time on people who actively choose to be stupid. I don't recommend you do, either.


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          • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            I don't waste my time on people who actively choose to be stupid. I don't recommend you do, either.
            I have the same sentiments.
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            • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
              Originally Posted by Sushiman1111 View Post

              Just to play devil's advocate, what about potential customers who do speak another language well, and therefore might think that the OP is lazy and sloppy?
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Alex,I don't waste my time on people who actively choose to be stupid. I don't recommend you do, either.
              Sorry Paul, but I don't think that was what Sushiman was trying to say. I think he was pointing out that even a non-native English speaking reader might be put off by poor grammar - with the added negative that, as they can grasp the grammar, they feel that others attempting to write in English should also grasp the grammar.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Carol,

                I got that. That was exactly my point. I'm not real big on lingual elitism, regardless of the basis.

                We require a certain level of literacy in English here, but it's a matter of practicality, not judgment. If someone can't make any of their posts understood to the majority of the members, that's a problem. It doesn't mean they're less intelligent than anyone else, but it does mean this may not be the right forum for 'em.

                However, judging people the way Alex's post described, on the basis of comparative second-language proficiency, is actively choosing to be stupid. Too many other factors involved.


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  • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
    Use a native writer and/or proofreader.

    1. It's Marketing 101: your customer doesn't want to know about your problems, they want to know what you can do for them. Anything that stands between you and smoothly communicating what you can do for them, including language issues, is something that will adversely affect your bottom line.

    2. As Robert Cialdini has shown, people like to deal with people who are more like them than less like them. If you are a foreigner (from the customer's point of view), then that's one thing that is UNlike and thus will decrease trust and the likelihood of cooperation (which in this case means making a sale).

    3. No matter how good you get at a second language, you will never know all of the nuances, cultural references and so on perfectly. Why risk making a mistake that could cost you sales?

    4. As someone pointed out above, you want to get the tone of the content just right. Again, virtually impossible for a non-native speaker to do.

    Offline, I'm an English language professional with over 20 years' experience in the field, plus have a degree in linguistics. Believe me, I've thought about the various nuances of this issue quite a lot. Go with a native writer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
    I do think, however, that using British English versus American English isn't that important, assuming that you get whichever one you choose right. If you're aiming for one market or the other, obviously, go with that market's dialect. But if not, probably either one is fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

    If I mention in my posts or articles that English is not my native language and I am sorry for any Grammatical Errors, will it help in increasing the trust factor or in increase of sales, provided the content is good.

    Yes
    ; I think that will help quite a lot, and it's well worth doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
    Thank yousss Everybody
    I have added the extra line... Lets see what's the outcome.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I can't find the site again at the moment but I recently read the entire home page of a website where English was clearly second language....but....the site owner KNEW the subject well.

      In the second paragraph he covered it well. He began to explain his findings and added "clearly, English is not my native language but this topic is relevant to people everywhere"....that fully explained the slightly awkward phrasing here and there.

      He did know the subject - his thoughts were fresh and interesting and the language didn't need to be perfect to convey his thoughts. He clearly realized the writing wasn't perfect and acknowledged in a passing way that worked.

      I'm a stickler for spelling and grammar on sites - but his info was good and the rest was irrelevant. It was like talking to someone with an accent - not a problem at all.

      If you know the subject and have something interesting to say - perfection in language becomes secondary.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
    Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

    Hello,
    In reference to this thread
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...d-grammar.html

    If I mention in my posts or articles that English is not my native language and I am sorry for any Grammatical Errors, will it help in increasing the trust factor or in increase of sales, provided the content is good.

    Thank you
    Most answers to this are just guesses or personal opinion.

    General advice I have seen around the forum and elsewhere seems to be that if you are selling to a natural English speaking market then good English in your sales copy will always be best.

    At the very least if you are apologizing for your poor English you are not focusing on or even detracting from, your sales pitch.

    The only way to really know is to test. Create two sales letters/videos one you create yourself and one done by a natural English speaker/writer. A/B split test and see what happens.

    Personally I don't speak any other language well enough to even attempt to write a blog comment, so I am always humbled by anyone who can speak a second language and make me understand them.
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