I spend my money on beer and women... The rest I waste...

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Actually that's not true. It's not even close to true. But I read it on a t-shirt once and it made me smile.

But talking about money - Russell Brunson claims to have made $850,000 in 1 year before he had any employees, working from his house, and it was his first year after college (so his first year "full-time" IM).

Now, I work really hard. The majority of people in my life let me know quite often that I actually shouldn't work so hard, but I can easily ignore them.

I have written IM goals that I go over and review every day. I have good control over my mental focus on a daily basis.

And for some reason, God saw it fit to bless me with a good memory. I went into the Air Force to become a Cop. But I scored too high on the entry test and they made me an engineer instead.

I never let fear stand in my way. If there is an awkward phone call I need to make, no problem. If I need to take a calculated risk that has the potential to make me look like an idiot, no problem.


So my question is, those people that do that great financially right out of the starting gates, what is different about them?
-Do they simply embellish their earnings?
-Was that a different era of Internet Marketing?
-Are they unethical? (I don't believe this to be the case.)
-Are the rest of us just perfectionist and that's why we don't make progress as fast?


Obviously Internet Marketing is a different journey for everyone. I am sincerely enjoying mine so far. But I can't help but to think there is something more I could be doing, you know what I mean?
#beer #money #rest #spend #waste #women
  • Profile picture of the author aZapX
    The main difference between those who succeed and who fail is giving up.

    Success is inevitable.
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    • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
      Forget the beer

      Just stick to the women
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      • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
        Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

        Forget the beer

        Just stick to the women
        You're right, forget the beer. Whisky and women, on the other hand...
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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      Originally Posted by aZapX View Post

      The main difference between those who succeed and who fail is giving up.
      A wise man always knows when to quit.


      Originally Posted by aZapX View Post

      Success is inevitable.
      Belief is an excellent trait but I assure you that success is certainly not inevitable . . . for many.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMDESTROYER
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      Originally Posted by aZapX View Post

      The main difference between those who succeed and who fail is giving up.

      Success is inevitable.
      exactly! it is you who creates your own reality.

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    • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
      Originally Posted by aZapX View Post

      Success is inevitable.

      If this was true, there would be a lot more people succeeding at IM, instead of a mere 5%. Stilll... I guess it's good to think positive!
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by aZapX View Post

      Success is inevitable.
      Did you get that in a fortune cookie :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Bumstead
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        They tend not to over-analyze.

        Point taken



        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        Did you get that in a fortune cookie :rolleyes:
        Well you know the rule with a fortune cookie is that you have to add "in bed" after them. It'll work every time...
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    • Originally Posted by aZapX View Post

      The main difference between those who succeed and who fail is giving up.

      Success is inevitable.
      Really like this comment! Success is inevitable! Don't give up there is a lot of truth in this!

      I have just copied this onto a post it and stuck it to my PC! Always looking for new motivation
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    • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
      Originally Posted by aZapX View Post

      The main difference between those who succeed and who fail is giving up.

      Success is inevitable.
      This basically sums it up. You don't have to be a computer whiz, have an amazing memory, or be great salesman to make money online....

      You only need to have the correct mindset to work hard each day, learn new skills, and NEVER GIVE UP.

      If you add value and help as many people as possible solve their problems - then in return you will be rewarded.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    They work smarter not harder.
    They have a good idea or ideas.
    They get lucky.

    Could be any number of reasons.
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    • Profile picture of the author LexiB
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      They work smarter not harder.
      They have a good idea or ideas.
      They get lucky.

      Could be any number of reasons.

      They work smarter, focus on good ideas and solid business models, which makes them look like they got lucky. They have a plan that they follow. A plan that's been proven throughout time to work. It's available to all of us and isn't any different than the plans used by every company in the world. A hungry market, solid product, a great presentation, great marketing (attention), and common sense financial wisdom.

      They put that all together and then they get "lucky".

      It's the same way Doyle Brunson has been getting "lucky" at the poker tables for 50 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    I think the big money makers, on line or offline, are ones with their own product. Naturally there are exceptions and if you look, I'm sure you could find a WSO or two claiming to refute that premise.

    On the one hand you could say they had an advantage when they started because Internet Marketing resources and courses were scarce, and they could charge $97 for a very basic lead ebook product and upsell to big money products with little competition.

    On the other hand you could say we have an advantage today because there are far, far more people online and they are much more accessible in the days before automated payment systems, JV Zoos, facebook and twitter.

    I wonder how much those guys paid to have a decent web site designed in the days before Fiverr and ODesk?

    One secret to IM is there is no secret. Sure there are tricks and tools to siphon money offline in dribs and drabs (that add up) at the push of a button.

    But the fundamentals of a business you can build, grow and then sell haven't changed significantly.

    If anything there are more successful and sustainable models to choose from today.

    Everyone says "take action" and "work hard". But that isn't going to take you very far if you choose to push boulders uphill.

    You need to focus on a proven business model, work hard and learn from your failures. Keep checking to make sure the boulder you are pushing isn't going uphill and keep working on the momentum.

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  • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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    Just because he made that much doesn't mean he didn't outsource half of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Bumstead
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      They work smarter not harder.
      Good point. I do try to stop and ask myself at least 2-3 times a day; "What is the most important thing for me to be doing right now?" Besides my computer, my 8ft long whiteboard is the most important thing in my home office! Helps me get my thoughts out and record them.


      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      But the fundamentals of a business you can build, grow and then sell haven't changed significantly.

      If anything there are more successful and sustainable models to choose from today.
      Yes! I completely agree. I use the term "Internet Marketing" loosely here just because we are on an Internet Marketing forum. I definitely see myself more as an entrepreneur that thinks of ways to help people by creating valuable information products. The "Internet" part is just a form of direct response advertising and a way to accept payments.

      The direct response business model has always interested me. I've never wanted a storefront for some reason.


      Originally Posted by CDawson View Post

      Just because he made that much doesn't mean he didn't outsource half of it.
      I'm fine with outsourcing work. In fact, I do quite a bit right now. I think most people on here probably do. Or did you mean something else?
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      • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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        Originally Posted by Nathan Bumstead View Post

        Good point. I do try to stop and ask myself at least 2-3 times a day; "What is the most important thing for me to be doing right now?" Besides my computer, my 8ft long whiteboard is the most important thing in my home office! Helps me get my thoughts out and record them.




        Yes! I completely agree. I use the term "Internet Marketing" loosely here just because we are on an Internet Marketing forum. I definitely see myself more as an entrepreneur that thinks of ways to help people by creating valuable information products. The "Internet" part is just a form of direct response advertising and a way to accept payments.

        The direct response business model has always interested me. I've never wanted a storefront for some reason.




        I'm fine with outsourcing work. In fact, I do quite a bit right now. I think most people on here probably do. Or did you mean something else?
        I'm just saying he could have outsourced 80% of his "income".
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by CDawson View Post

      Just because he made that much doesn't mean he didn't outsource half of it.
      Not so much outsourced as JV'd. Russ has a lot of geek friends in Boise that he hung out with and I'm sure he JV'd most of his beginnings.
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  • Profile picture of the author ToniMaltano
    Oh man I can't forget the beer. Spending too much on beer these days
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    Just always be careful how you think because your life is shaped by your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by Nathan Bumstead View Post

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    So my question is, those people that do that great financially right out of the starting gates, what is different about them?
    -Do they simply embellish their earnings?
    -Was that a different era of Internet Marketing?
    -Are they unethical? (I don’t believe this to be the case.)
    -Are the rest of us just perfectionist and that’s why we don’t make progress as fast? <snip>
    They tend not to over-analyze.

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  • Profile picture of the author m00d
    I think timing has a lot to do with it sometimes. I started in the late 90's and man you could sell anything you wanted with ease, much tougher now. So timing coupled with ones niche is part of it I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
    I think what they show you is only Revenue part of their busines but what you dont see is the expense part

    I am sure Russel Brunson has huge bills to pay for Google Adwords, Employee salaries, Taxes etc etc

    At the end of day, he migh be save 15% , 5% or nothing. Thats where he fools guys like you and me.

    I once heard him saying he went almost broke and he had to lay off so much staff.

    I dont understand when will people stop believing those fake or exagerated ClickBank screenshots. This is 2013 for god sake....
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    • Profile picture of the author philrich21
      Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

      I think what they show you is only Revenue part of their busines but what you dont see is the expense part

      I am sure Russel Brunson has huge bills to pay for Google Adwords, Employee salaries, Taxes etc etc

      At the end of day, he migh be save 15% , 5% or nothing. Thats where he fools guys like you and me.

      I once heard him saying he went almost broke and he had to lay off so much staff.

      I dont understand when will people stop believing those fake or exagerated ClickBank screenshots. This is 2013 for god sake....
      This is likely only part of the equation, Russell has by now established a very large email list plus a very large affiliate network.

      These combinations will give him massive leverage over anyone starting out but our goal should be to do likewise
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    But seriously my lady always gets frisky after reading warrior forum posts.

    I tell you I really love this forum
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    I believe that success requires action and persistence. You have to have goals and written down plans. Success is a journey and you know if you want to get anywhere you would have a map to follow.

    You have to know what you want and be prepared to put in the effort to achieve it.
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    • Profile picture of the author kaymehelp
      Originally Posted by Sue McDonald View Post

      I believe that success requires action and persistence. You have to have goals and written down plans. Success is a journey and you know if you want to get anywhere you would have a map to follow.

      You have to know what you want and be prepared to put in the effort to achieve it.

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    hun there is no way here on earth you cannot do without women
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      He built relationships cleverly, and it was a different time.

      It was not so crowded, people started launching products and promoting each other. They were high ticket products. The sites were crap and nobody cared...

      Remember the phrase: The money is in the list?

      It is actually wrong, the phrase is: The money is in other peopleĀ“s lists.

      Bottom line... it is not what he knew but who he knew.


      If you want to play at that level, start going to seminars and use your time to build relationships.

      Another element that might be holding you back is the technical focus. I come from the same school, so I am not talking from a high hill.

      He said he did not have employees, not that he did not outsource... Start outsourcing small tasks you can do but take time. Sooner than later you will have your team and things will start to work differently.
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    Risk is the Key To bill gates's Swiss bank account, LOL!

    What I meant to say is That you cannot succeed Until you try it! In Internet Marketing world, If you have no money, you cannot make money. This is a System of multiplying money, not making it. If you don't have money, You'll have to sacrifice something else,And the name is Effort!. You''ll have to work hard to make money online of you're a zero starter.

    IM is a network where the more money you have , the less time you'll need to succeed online.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlwaysAwa
    Love the headline, came here because of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Bumstead
      Originally Posted by AlwaysAwa View Post

      Love the headline, came here because of it.
      And they say humor doesn't work in Ad Copy...
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    I believe diplomacy, perseverance, and common sense are 3 of the most important elements to become successful.
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  • implementation. I noticed that 99% listen to the devil tell them it will not work and they just don't start. It's better to fail 100 times and fail 0 times.
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    • Originally Posted by HelpingYouBeAnExpert View Post

      implementation. I noticed that 99% listen to the devil tell them it will not work and they just don't start. It's better to fail 100 times and fail 0 times.
      I meant then fail 0 times (most people fail 0 times)
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  • Profile picture of the author doc4978
    LOL...A famous Irish Soccer player George Best used to say that:

    "I spent 90% of my money on women, drink and fast cars. The rest I squandered"..

    Great quote
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    • Profile picture of the author CurtisSWN
      Never really got into Russell Brunson, but I think I can safely assume that he's a guy who is undaunted and exploits his opportunities for all they're worth. Internet marketing is no different from the brick and mortar businesses, just the venue.

      Now beer is an elusive beast as far as getting real satisfaction, beer AND women even harder. Don't settle for lesser (in a woman at least) and you'll be happiest :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Most successful people don't even know why they are
    successful because they didn't work any harder than
    other people. Some marketers were just in the right place
    at the right time.

    I know for those who made it big in internet marketing
    in the early days were product and list builders. They
    created products (good or bad) and build customer
    list then cross-promoted with other list owners.

    Some of those "gurus" were on my list although
    I didn't follow that same path. You had to attend
    seminars and press flesh mainly at a bar to build
    those networks.

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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    They find their strengths, and then build a business around it. But the key as I see it is that that they have or create something unique. Most on here do the same old same old.

    Take Brunson for example.. you don't see him selling plr or stuff like that. Also, they re invest their money into marketing and promoting their products.

    And if you look closely, you will notice that many of the successful ones pretty much took offline concepts and brought them on line.

    They make a dollar then reinvest it into making 2 dollars etc etc.

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  • Profile picture of the author Riter Ric
    I agree with Raydal...
    perhaps its just a matter of
    being at the right place
    at the right time.
    Or maybe it has all got to do with
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  • Profile picture of the author samd123
    True wealth is about being happy with who you are and what you have right now. If you cant do that then you will never be truly wealthy and you never will be truly happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author sabatek
    Who said he made money right out of the gate. Have you heard his FULL story?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jackson Tan
      Yes, everyone journey in IM is different. I hate to admit this but there is an element of luck involve. We can all do the same things at the same time but get very different results.. However, what I believe is that we should never stop, once we give up, we failed.

      Is a matter of how fast you want to achieve it.. I may take a longer path, but I learned and I aim to achieve it.

      To the title: Why not spend on both beer and women, enjoying life while earning from IM?

      To Your Fun & Freedom
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Bumstead
        Originally Posted by samd123 View Post

        True wealth is about being happy with who you are and what you have right now. If you cant do that then you will never be truly wealthy and you never will be truly happy.
        Therein lies the key to success though - being happy with what you have and at the same time pursuing what you want... I don't feel like most of us can be truly happy if we stop the pursuing half.

        "The comfort zone is the danger zone!" Greg Plitt


        Originally Posted by sabatek View Post

        Who said he made money right out of the gate. Have you heard his FULL story?
        I believe I have heard all of his story as he publicly tells it. $250K his senior year of college. Then close to $1 million his first year full time IM. Hired some employees, almost went backrupt. Now averages over $10 million per year. He also has an 11,000 sq foot house he showed in one of his training videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gordon P
    Taking risks...
    Working Smarter...
    Have luck at some points...

    Those are some things that I believe can make the difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    I seem to remember George Best saying something similar. I believe he added an extra componenet ...

    "I spent 90% of my money on women, drink and fast cars; the rest I just squandered." - George Best (the best player ever to have graced the Man Utd turf)

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  • Profile picture of the author Dariuszden
    I think the most imporant thing is to keep trying, proceeding with what works, and duping what doesn't. In the end it's about doing something at a right time and place, and of course getting lucky.

    I know some people don't believe in luck, but it's a big factor in everything. The key is to do everything you can to help your luck. I don't know if that made any sense, but oh well.
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    Perseverence plus clear vision of goals will lead you to that path of success..IMHO..
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  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
    Hi Nathan,

    Originally Posted by Nathan Bumstead View Post


    So my question is, those people that do that great financially right out of the starting gates, what is different about them?
    -Do they simply embellish their earnings?
    -Was that a different era of Internet Marketing?
    -Are they unethical? (I don’t believe this to be the case.)
    -Are the rest of us just perfectionist and that’s why we don’t make progress as fast?
    Sometimes all four. As for the last one, I seem to remember Russell using the 'ready, fire, aim' motto.

    Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

    Forget the beer

    Just stick to the women
    Many have tried that, but the latter tends to lead back to the former, every time. In fact, some suggest that the latter is the reason for the existence of the former, for more than one reason (solace/goggles). :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Alminc
      Those who succeeded big time in IM have never done it alone, all by themselves.

      They had strong inside connections from day one.

      That's the key to their fast and big success.

      All other 'official' stories you can read about them are simply part of the game,
      part of building a persona, lies that support and maintain their success.








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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    /\ Not so sure about that.

    I realize it may apply to certain IM'rs like Frank Kern, but in the general business world, I have met TONS of business owners who have came from NOTHING, and wound up being very successful.

    In fact, I tend to believe you are more likely to succeed if you come from nothing, because you tend to have more passion/ambition than someone who comes from a rich family with all the right connections.

    I realize connections are important, but I don't think they're as important as most people love to believe. I think the real story is we use that as an excuse for our own failures.

    I went from making $50,000 1 year, to $160,000 the next, and I didn't meet or know anyone special who helped me do that. It was something I did all by myself.

    Then there is my brother, who became the vice president of a very well known brokerage firm, makes $400,000 year, he did that all by himself. He didn't meet any special people who helped him get that position. All he did was master his craft and work his ass off.

    I have a friend who got a painting product on the shelves of Home Depot. Again, did this all by himself, now he is rich.

    So I don't care what anyone says. I think connections will help, but I think there are plenty of people in this world who refuse to make excuses, and will succeed completely regardless of their circumstances. Worst of all, if you're waiting for the "right connections" to come along, so you can succeed, then you have already failed & don't even realize it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Bumstead
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      I realize connections are important, but I don't think they're as important as most people love to believe. I think the real story is we use that as an excuse for our own failures.

      I went from making $50,000 1 year, to $160,000 the next, and I didn't meet or know anyone special who helped me do that. It was something I did all by myself.

      Hey RedShifted... It must have felt great to hit $160K doing something you wanted to do! I had a goal to hit $100K as an engineer before the age of 30. (I also came from nothing financially, grew up in trailer parks) I did it, no problem. $100K a year and I hated my life man! I hated going to work, like deep down in my gut hated it. So I'm onto new adventures as an entrepreneur.

      It's a weird feeling when you realize you dedicated a decade of your life to becoming miserable. But when you're the one playing in the game, you can't always take a step back and see what is really happening.

      I agree, sometimes when you come from nothing, it gives you the drive that a lot of others don't have.

      I sincerely appreciate everyone that replied to my thread. But I was surprised at how many people mentioned "luck" as one of the determining factors. I honestly didn't think that many people believed in "luck". It was just a surprise is all...

      "The harder I work, the luckier I get."
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      • Profile picture of the author 4DayWeekend
        There are quite a few marketers who have done well right out of the gate. IMO these are usually the right ingredients.
        • Having the right product at the right time.
        • Building relationships with the right people.
        • An element of luck.
        Some people develop the right product at the right time during their first year, others during their 5th, others during their 10th. Right now there are more 'prospects' online than ever before so anything is possible.

        By the way, great quote from the great George Best in the subject
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