Article Marketing Parasites Beware

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So I'm cruising around the Internet yesterday and Googling up some stuff and a run across an article listed at Articlesbase related to Clickbank. I thought it looked like a great article so I click on it. I start reading it and damn, it sure sounds familiar.

I think to myself, darn--it seems like I wrote an article much like this not too long ago. I go to ezinearticles and scroll through my stuff and sure enough, on March 5th I submitted the article. I check the content of mine and of the babe that posted it to articlesbase and yes--she had taken my original article, inserted a couple of links to her web page in it, and substituted her author resource box for mine.

So I check her profile and she has 35 articles submitted and yes, mine is listed as being one of hers. Now I google up the first 3-4 lines of my article and find she has submitted it to other sites (with her name in the resource box) and--of course a number of bloggers have also picked it up and are using it with her name as the author.

Well, I'm following up on this and I'm going to squash this little parasite. But my suggestion to you is that you pick an article of yours from time to time and make sure that no one is doing this to you.

I guess I have too much faith in people. But how long does it take to write a freakin' article, 5-10 minutes? I just can't believe people do this. I guess the lowest common denominator in Internet marketing is pretty low.

Life is too short to worry about every one of these parasites out there, but you might want to check from time to time on a few of your own articles.

So now I'm going to take 30 minutes out of time I would rather be spending doing some fun stuff and contact her ISP and ask to shut her down. I've got better things to do with my life.

Addendum: I see that today the article at articlesbase has credited the source to my author link at eza, but that doesn't solve the problem of all of the other places that picked it up earlier from there and use it with her resource box.

Sorry, I was about to blow a head gasket and I needed to vent.
#article #beware #marketing #parasites
  • you might want to contact the person first before contacting their isp, they could have gotten your article from someone passing it off as plr

    or they could have misunderstood the terms where they got it from
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  • Profile picture of the author dannyhw
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    • Profile picture of the author J smith
      Better to use that time to submit your own eza articles to other worthy directories. Do it before the thiefs do

      Also, if you contact her isp, wouldn't they have to first make sure you are the true owner of the article and that you are who you say you are?

      I mean, I write articles under a pen name, which is obviously different than my real name under which the site is hosted. Would be kind of annoying if someone who's bored could just contact my isp and have them take my site down because the person contacting them claims to be my pen name on eza saying that I stole his articles O_o scray thought lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    I don't agree that it's not worth your time. I've had an ebook of mine illegally copied & uploaded twice, both times I complained and it was taken back down.

    Contact the website owner and tell them that they are hosting an article that is copyrighted by you, and ask them to take it off their site.
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapin719
    I manage an article directory, and I can't even begin to tell you how many people contact me and say, "Can you please remove this article by so and so, becase they stole my article and added their resource box." It happens way more than people think and it's really very sad.
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    • Profile picture of the author jerodrx
      I really think that this is a plague that must be stopped and penalized in some way,
      just before a self called 'guru' writes another crappy report that actively promotes
      this practice as 'The Ultimate Way To Make Money Online'.

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      • Profile picture of the author braver55b
        Originally Posted by jerodrx View Post

        I really think that this is a plague that must be stopped and penalized in some way,
        just before a self called 'guru' writes another crappy report that actively promotes
        this practice as 'The Ultimate Way To Make Money Online'.

        Joel Rodriguez
        I hate to break it to you; but there are even ebooks which tell people to go to article directories, modify the content and then submit it as their own, I'm not saying that its right, what I am saying is that its so widespread and I doubt that it can ever be completely stopped.
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    • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
      Originally Posted by terrapin719 View Post

      I manage an article directory, and I can't even begin to tell you how many people contact me and say, "Can you please remove this article by so and so, becase they stole my article and added their resource box." It happens way more than people think and it's really very sad.
      Same experience, here the problem with these complains is that it's a time consuming job in the part of articledirectory owner, you need to investigate, and it does not mean that if the article is posted in eza the one claiming he owned that article is the real owner. Because sometimes this two or more person using the same articles because they bought from the same article writer or it was sold as PLR before...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      they could have misunderstood the terms where they got it from
      such as - too stupid to read the terms?

      Mike - go after her. This is blatant and I've personally known several people to be banned from articles directories for doing this. You can't stop them all - but you don't have to tolerate all of them either.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by dannyhw View Post

      You guys have to realize that as far as Google is concerned, you're the plague. They're trying to make it so the search results are based on people linking to content they actually like and we're all posting our own stuff in a million places to fool them.
      What Google has to realize is that they are responsible for the plague. Google is the one that comes out with sometimes ridiculous demands on website owners in order to get indexed. They rank sites not based on quality but on how they manage to cater themselves to Google's will.

      I have a website that I have never done article marketing for. I haven't done anything tricky or black hat or anything. I used to have listings on page 1 for my search terms. And, my site's content is relevant to those search terms.

      Now, I find my pages on the 4th, 5th, 6th and lower pages of search results. I am getting pushed down by sites that have content that is not relevant to the search terms. There are pages higher than me that are just stuffed with keywords (so much for Google penalizing sites that do that). It's one thing to be outranked by someone who has put together something of better quality than what you have, or maybe by someone that had equal quality of content but did a better job of promoting it. It's quite another to be outranked by sites that are nothing but garbage.

      And, I've checked the sites outranking me, and they're not using article marketing either. They have few, if any, inbound links. It looks to me that they rank high because they're stuffing their pages with keywords.

      So, am I going to start article marketing for this site? Heck yeah. Google is the plague. Google is the one putting junk and garbage higher in the search results than sites that should rank higher. Even some of my competitors aren't on page 1 anymore either. They're getting beaten down by garbage too.
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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        ...Now, I find my pages on the 4th, 5th, 6th and lower pages of search results. I am getting pushed down by sites that have content that is not relevant to the search terms. There are pages higher than me that are just stuffed with keywords (so much for Google penalizing sites that do that). It's one thing to be outranked by someone who has put together something of better quality than what you have, or maybe by someone that had equal quality of content but did a better job of promoting it. It's quite another to be outranked by sites that are nothing but garbage.

        And, I've checked the sites outranking me, and they're not using article marketing either. They have few, if any, inbound links. It looks to me that they rank high because they're stuffing their pages with keywords.

        So, am I going to start article marketing for this site? Heck yeah. Google is the plague. Google is the one putting junk and garbage higher in the search results than sites that should rank higher. Even some of my competitors aren't on page 1 anymore either. They're getting beaten down by garbage too.
        Google might not have "discovered" those keyword-stuffed sites yet - but in time, they will be found and zapped. Such sites as you describe are created by people who really aren't in it to create business - they just want quick bucks with as little work as possible. So they steal people's content and use the simplest way to get into SEs - excess keywords.

        They won't be around for long... but you can be certain others will follow.

        Regarding the OP...

        I'm going to go out on a limb here and hope no one gets mad at me...

        Several Warriors seem to be obsessed with finding these article thieves. I can't help wondering whether such obsession is healthy. Mike, I hear your frustration and distress over your discoveries. Getting upset is of no help to your business growth.

        If you were to commit your time to finding all the thieves, you'd have little if any time to do your own valuable work. So I say, forget them and move on.

        I know if I found out someone had stolen my articles, I'd be upset too. In fact, I'd be just like you - obsessed with the whole situation and anxious to find every single one of those despots. But then, I'd just make myself more upset. I probably would be awake half the night trying to figure out more ways to catch them... instead of getting restful sleep with dreams of making my first million.

        Don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning their actions, but as has already been pointed out, it's pretty much an unsurmountable hill that we face.

        The best we can do is nab all thieves that we find in passing and screw them to the wall as an example to others - rather than going into regularly scheduled dupe-running sessions on our articles, as this could become a career in itself.

        That would be my advice. Don't torture yourself by trawling for thieves but by heck, when you stumble across them, chop them off at the knees with a dull knife.

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    • Profile picture of the author ragnartm
      Originally Posted by dannyhw View Post

      There are already scripts that do it. I mean really, I could scrape and repost a few thousand articles with my own links in about a half hour and it would never get traced back to me.

      You guys have to realize that as far as Google is concerned, you're the plague. They're trying to make it so the search results are based on people linking to content they actually like and we're all posting our own stuff in a million places to fool them.
      Not that they're getting anywhere. For god's sake as far as I've noticed they still include the sites own backlinks to the homepage. lol.

      Send an email to the poster about the copyright infrigement and possible consequenses if that doesn't work I wouldn't bother with it.
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      Originally Posted by dannyhw View Post

      You can't get banned from an article directory. You can find all the proxies you need on the web.
      Article directories CAN ban members. I do it on my site.
      If someone has to use a proxy to get around the ban,
      then they're not a genuine author / reputable person
      anyone wants to deal with anyways.

      There's always a way to shut them down if you're persistant!
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  • Profile picture of the author winebuddy
    WOW - just went to ezines and then copied some text and WOW. One of my more popular articles is on over 300 sites.

    After going thru the first 3 pages, I found my sig box only 5 or 6 times.

    Amazing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Yes, I have been through that headache only recently. Not much you can
    do that would be effective. When you consider all that you'll need to do
    it would be easier to collect feathers from a emptied pillow that tracking
    down every site owner. I just blogged about the article and hope that
    some the the webmaster will be 'shamed' into removing my article or
    give the appropriate credit.

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  • Profile picture of the author mix_daylee
    This happens all the time. This is one more reason why you should post your articles on your site. You might not get the immediate traffic right away, but in the long run it will pay some dividends.
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    • Profile picture of the author buckapple
      Yes, this happened to me and what really ticked me off is the guy was outranking me in google. He had a lot of articles at articlebase so I would assume the others were ripped off also.

      He didn't respond to email, I contacted articlebase, they checked the date at ezines and the guy's articles were deleted. But like the gentleman said above, I bet there's scripts that scrape and post so these days I don't take the time unless they are outranking me.

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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by dannyhw View Post

      It's just the nature of the business. You're creating and posting content for the purpose of fooling Google into thinking you're getting editorial links to your own sites. You have to take what you can get when you're manipulating like that because you're right on the line between black and gray hat anyway.
      I guess everyone has a different definition of "black hat". I don't see article marketing as black hat but I also don't see tons of value from the links from most article directories.

      I get a fair amount of direct traffic from EZA, which is why I put articles there but I get more powerful backlinks in other ways.

      If you consider article marketing black hat then all of my blog commenting, web 2.0 sites, pod casts, video submissions, etc are probably blacker than the blackest hat. I should be ashamed of myself.... But I'm not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    It's a bad scene out there right now in many places, but not all places! I never have a problem with authors contacting me asking to delete an article from my databases. And when I find one of my articles plagiarized, the site owners will delete the offending page very quickly. I guess it depends on where you submit your articles to.

    I recently had some website content (not an article, but actual website content) stolen from a website of mine which is copyrighted. It was posted as a blog post on a relatively popular blog.

    I contacted the blog owner and they said it was a "guest post." They asked me to prove it and they would remove it immediately. We are in the process now. Took me all of 30 seconds to write the email.

    Perhaps I get special treatment or something, I don't know, but it doesn't seem to be too tough to get the pages removed when you find them.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Thanks all! Ya know, in a way it's not a life-shattering event, but even enough little mosquito bites can add up to quite a bit of discomfort.

    Today at the bottom of her article my name appears in the link to ezinearticles in the last line. However, her resource box is still at the end of the article. When I click on her profile I see my article listed under her article list. She is getting traffic to her site from my article.

    I got an email from her today saying that since she put my link to ezinearticles at the end, it was okay for her to put her resource box at the end.

    Wa, wa, wa ... I'm a cryin' baby. Somebody slap me.

    I guess I just needed some support from people who I consider my friends and I got it. I thank you all. My Best - Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      Thanks all! Ya know, in a way it's not a life-shattering event, but even enough little mosquito bites can add up to quite a bit of discomfort.

      Today at the bottom of her article my name appears in the link to ezinearticles in the last line. However, her resource box is still at the end of the article. When I click on her profile I see my article listed under her article list. She is getting traffic to her site from my article.

      I got an email from her today saying that since she put my link to ezinearticles at the end, it was okay for her to put her resource box at the end.

      Wa, wa, wa ... I'm a cryin' baby. Somebody slap me.

      I guess I just needed some support from people who I consider my friends and I got it. I thank you all. My Best - Mike

      Don't sweat it Mike, I'd be mad too! I've found many of mine out and about without my name and links too. There just comes a point where it's just not possible to keep up with it. However, I do think you're right for going after them. I can't do it all the time, but I will take a few minutes from time to time to put the hammer down on a dirtbag. It's just not right for people to get away with stealing our hard work!

      I've also been finding a LOT of "snippets" from some of my webpages online. Courtesy of article writing software. It's not a bad idea, but it's flawed because most people won't take the time to rewrite each sentence they stole.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    So she admits to using your article but is still putting her resource box after it?

    That's unethical if you asked me. I'd still complain.

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  • Profile picture of the author gxd5
    Let loose with the DMCA takedown notice to her ISP and to the sites posting the material. That site will come down FAST.

    Here is a sample letter:

    Dear {ISP}

    This letter is to inform you that copyrighted materials created and owned by {you} have been posted online at {offending domain}. As this domain is hosted by your ISP, you are hereby served with the following DMCA Takedown Request.

    Section 1: Copyright Ownership
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The creator and owner of the copyrighted material is:
    /{Your Name Here Between Slashes}/
    {Your Name again}

    Section 2: Copyright Holder Contact Information
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The holder of the copyright can be contacted at the following address:
    {name / address / phone / email / etc}

    Section 3: Location of Original Materials
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The original copyrighted material can be found at the following url(s):
    {url list}


    Section 4: Location of Infringing Materials
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The infringing material can be found at the following url(s):
    {url list}


    Section 5: Statement of Unauthorized Use
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I, {your name}, am the rightful creator and owner of all of the content listed in section 3 above. I have never given permission to:

    {infringer}
    {isp}
    {anyone else involved}

    to copy, publish, change, modify or use my work in any way. Further, I have not given permission for said parties to create, use, distribute or otherwise use any derivative works based on my copyright.

    It is my good faith belief that the use of the material specified in the manner in which I have outlined is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agents or assigns or extant copyright law.

    Under penalty of perjury, the information I have given is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge. Therefore, under the provisions of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, you are given notice to remove the offending materials.

    Your prompt attention is appreciated.

    {Your Name}

    {Your Info}
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil S
    Wow I just did the same and found a bunch of my stuff was completely ripped off. One guy seems to keep making Squidoo lenses full of MY content. What should I do, contact Squidoo?
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    • Originally Posted by Neil S View Post

      Wow I just did the same and found a bunch of my stuff was completely ripped off. One guy seems to keep making Squidoo lenses full of MY content. What should I do, contact Squidoo?
      I had the same thing happen. First, I contacted the person who did it and insisted the content be taken down. I got "attitude" instead.

      If you scroll down to the bottom of the offending page, you'll find a link to Report Abuse. Click it, select the violation of TOS and comment that it's stolen content.

      Bang! All gone.
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      • Profile picture of the author TeamGlobal
        Originally Posted by Vince Runza Online View Post

        I had the same thing happen. First, I contacted the person who did it and insisted the content be taken down. I got "attitude" instead.

        If you scroll down to the bottom of the offending page, you'll find a link to Report Abuse. Click it, select the violation of TOS and comment that it's stolen content.

        Bang! All gone.
        Re:"I got "attitude" instead."

        This is happening a lot lately. You contact someone to resolve the matter in a professional and courteous way and they want to give you lip service.

        Recently I've just started sending take down notices directly to the host..simple, fast, and effective.

        All The Best,


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  • Profile picture of the author Craig Fenton
    Hi Mike:

    Sorry for the situation you are facing and thanks for letting the Warriors know about what they can face.

    It is sad and common. I told this story once before but if you don't mind want to share it again. It totally shows what people will do with somebody's project.

    With permission from a couple of bands I uploaded several years ago videos to YouTube. A person not only took my videos and uploading them to their own account but never asked permission from myself or the groups and never credited the bands or myself.

    Think for a moment if it were something I was monetizing. All the views they received could have been potentially mine.

    All they had to do was send a simple E-mail for permission.

    Have a great night.
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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    The first time that this happened to me I was upset too.

    After the fifth time I saw it, my thought was "hey not a bad header graphic on this scraper site" lol.

    But your right, this is a perfectly logical justifiable futility, just like the record industry fighting p2p.
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      Originally Posted by dndoseller View Post

      this is a perfectly logical justifiable futility
      Perfect description...
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    • Profile picture of the author cryptone24
      Originally Posted by dndoseller View Post

      The first time that this happened to me I was upset too.

      After the fifth time I saw it, my thought was "hey not a bad header graphic on this scraper site" lol.

      But your right, this is a perfectly logical justifiable futility, just like the record industry fighting p2p.
      I would have to disagree with the comparison to the music industry, yes it is an injustice to the artists and gross disregard, morally, ethically to have their copyrighted work stolen through P2P sites. I have done it (mostly for older reggae music i cant find in Texas....still doesn't make it right).
      The difference is--- I don't make money from it and don't distribute their material for profit like the vampires that steal others people written content and make it their own to make money...that is just plain disgusting man.
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      • Profile picture of the author cryptone24
        I guess it would be impossible to design software to check for this. Maybe check the top 20 results for your article keywords in google and compare it to your material for dupe content.

        Might be an extra step for most of us, but I think a good way to put a dent in all this blatant thievery.

        That would be killer app man, going after the goons that steal your hard work. I would pay for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author DirectoryKing
    It is really not worth your time. They is not so much you can do with article piracy these days.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by DirectoryKing View Post

      It is really not worth your time.
      I used to say this as well...but how can you know what someone else's time is worth?

      I saw proof of someone making money from someone else's articles and that shocked me into a new reality. It's called theft, and it is highly unethical and in some places, illegal.

      Karma will get them, though. What comes around defintely goes around.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rhia
    Wow this is an eye opening thread ... I don't even want to go and look at my ezine articles now lol All I can say is there is a lot of really sad people out there that are to lazy to write their own content. And in the time it took them to look for content to steal, they could have written their own.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    I agree with you Mike. I would email the article directories in question and tell them that this member has taken YOUR article in its entirety and republished it as her work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO View Post

      I agree with you Mike. I would email the article directories in question and tell them that this member has taken YOUR article in its entirety and republished it as her work.
      Don't forget the DMCA threat. In fact, while your emailing, ask them who their web host is because you are going to send a DMCA take down notice to them.

      Let them know your not pussyfooting around.

      Most will ask you to prove that your are the creator of the content, so have that readyy.

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  • Profile picture of the author AngieRammer
    gxd5 & AllenGraves -- I want to thank you for your posts. They are very helpful.
    I guess I'm too new to get a "thank you" button to click on...

    Cheers!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Davis
    Some say go after the person, some say don't waste your time. You know which way works best for you. Sometimes it's about doing what we do, just because it makes us feel better.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bcrewse1
      You know...they say to go to a forum and look for problems people are having and then invent something that addresses that problem. The way I see it with what is going on with the article rip off epidemic, anyone who comes up with a really good solution that solves this problem is the next internet millionaire!

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  • Profile picture of the author jjjones
    There was a person who posted an ad in the Warriors classifieds a few months ago advertising 100,000+ PLR articles for (i think) $27. The articles were all scrapped from ezinearticles.com and goarticles.com. Scrapped with the Author resource box conveniently missing.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    I don't want to beat this thing to death, but I got an email this morning that was interesting. I will not include her name--as mad as she mad me, that wouldn't be right, but below is the last email I sent her yesterday--and following that is her response I got back today. I have redacted my email address and her name and address.
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    On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Mike McMillan <mike@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    You have misunderstood the terms of service of Articlesbase. Yes, there is a link to my profile at ezinearticles at the end of the article. However, my author resource box does not appear and it should at the end of the article. You have violated the terms of service at ezinearticles as well by doing this.

    When I click on your profile, my article is listed as one of yours you have submitted. You cannot submit other people's articles and claim them as yours. That is my article, not yours! You cannot substitute your resource box for those of the original authors. This is copyright infringement my dear--plain and simple.

    If you have done this with other articles you are going to get yourself in some very serious trouble. Unless you are the original author of an article you cannot insert your resource box at the end--end of story.

    Remove my article from Articlesbase and from your profile page immediately. Send me a very, very nice apology for what you have done. Remove any other articles you have done this with as well. If you fail to do these things I will contact your ISP and hosting company--copyright violation is a very serious matter. Check out Title 17 of the U.S. Code. There are substantial penalties.
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    OK Mike

    I dont want to make an issue out of this. I am sorry for whatever happened. I have removed it from the Articlesbase.

    Wish you all good luck.

    Regards
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    Okay, the savage beast within me has been calmed somewhat.

    Again, I thank all of you, my WF friends for support, sympathy, and for the therapy session. You're all great!
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    • Profile picture of the author Lisa aka LJ
      I have had many variations of this happen to me. I subscribe to Google Alerts, which is usually how I find out about it.

      Sometimes I find my article with my byline but links to someone else's site.

      Sometimes I find my article with some percentage of the words replaced with words that render the article senseless. (No idea why anyone would do that, unless it's an AdSense site, which it isn't always.)

      I've had an article of mine appear on a "soft porn" site (my article had absolutely nothing to do with soft porn).

      I've found my article on someone else's blog, without my links, and I commented on it that the article was posted there fraudulently. Next time I checked, it was still there.

      Sometimes there is absolutely no contact information. Tracking down the plagiarist would be so time-consuming I don't believe it's worth my time. And for every instance I do know about, there are probably many more that I don't.

      I say, unless it is a work you're selling, let karma get them and forget about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mrs Z
        Originally Posted by Lisa aka LJ View Post

        I have had many variations of this happen to me. I subscribe to Google Alerts, which is usually how I find out about it.

        Sometimes I find my article with my byline but links to someone else's site.

        Sometimes I find my article with some percentage of the words replaced with words that render the article senseless. (No idea why anyone would do that, unless it's an AdSense site, which it isn't always.)

        I've had an article of mine appear on a "soft porn" site (my article had absolutely nothing to do with soft porn).

        I've found my article on someone else's blog, without my links, and I commented on it that the article was posted there fraudulently. Next time I checked, it was still there.

        Sometimes there is absolutely no contact information. Tracking down the plagiarist would be so time-consuming I don't believe it's worth my time. And for every instance I do know about, there are probably many more that I don't.

        I say, unless it is a work you're selling, let karma get them and forget about it.
        Great suggestion...something I hadn't thought of. But, I work too hard writing from scratch and really don't want to find my articles all over the place, claimed by someone else.
        Thanks for the info!
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  • Profile picture of the author JonStein
    I found the program HyperVRE (by Matt Callen) is real good at ripping off peoples content from article directories, and placing links in the body and easily replace the resource box. Newbies get duped into buying this 'scraping' program and think it is okay to steal content without using your resource, simply because the developers did not tell them they SHOULD NOT replace the resource or insert spammy links. (even the free trial puts loads of Matt Callen's spam links in the articles). I own an article directory and when we get a credible complaint like this, we delete the author. I have also found that sending an email to the perpetrator usually gets action especially when you explain that they are violating the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act).
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Can anyone please tell me who the web host is for sitebestinfo<dot>com? Is it GoDaddy?

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    • Profile picture of the author tmursch
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Can anyone please tell me who the web host is for sitebestinfo<dot>com? Is it GoDaddy?

      AL
      Whois.net



      Registrant:
      SITE INFO INC.

      Mejdan 13.
      Zenica, Bosnia 72000
      Bosnia and Herzegovina

      Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Browser Update Page)
      Domain Name: SITEBESTINFO.COM
      Created on: 06-Aug-07
      Expires on: 06-Aug-10
      Last Updated on: 30-May-08

      Administrative Contact:
      Hums, Erva nivrearth@yahoo.com
      SITE INFO INC.
      Mejdan 13.
      Zenica, Bosnia 72000
      Bosnia and Herzegovina
      +38761801841

      Technical Contact:
      Hums, Erva nivrearth@yahoo.com
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      Mejdan 13.
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      Bosnia and Herzegovina
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      Domain servers in listed order:
      NS43.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
      NS44.DOMAINCONTROL.COM


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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by tmursch View Post

        I see it was registered through GoDaddy, but that doesn't tell me who the host is. I am going to send them a DMCA Takedown notice, but I cannot figure out who to send it to.

        It looks like those domain servers are GoDaddy's, but I am unsure.

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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

          I see it was registered through GoDaddy, but that doesn't tell me who the host is. I am going to send them a DMCA Takedown notice, but I cannot figure out who to send it to.

          It looks like those domain servers are GoDaddy's, but I am unsure.

          AL
          Allen,
          The host is godaddy ...

          Sitebestinfo.com - Site Best Info

          Specifically Wild West Domains, which is owned by GoDaddy...

          http://whois.domaintools.com/domaincontrol.com

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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I would complain to articlesbase and show to them that the article is yours. I would have no problem removing the article and the member from my article directory that blatantly stole someone elses work...

    At the same time this is something that has gone on for years in many different internet sectors and it is not going to stop anytime soon... I would still take the 2 minutes to complain to ArticlesBase though.

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    The question is, how do we figure out who the host is? Any easy way?
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    I got an email back from Articlesbase this morning . . .

    Dear Michael,

    We have promptly removed the article from our directory and banned the author.

    I hope you will consider publishing your articles on articlesbase.com as well, as I'm sure you will enjoy the huge exposure and publicity your articles will get. Let me know if I can assist you on this matter.

    Best Regards,

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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      I got an email back from Articlesbase this morning . . .

      Dear Michael,

      We have promptly removed the article from our directory and banned the author.

      I hope you will consider publishing your articles on articlesbase.com as well, as I'm sure you will enjoy the huge exposure and publicity your articles will get. Let me know if I can assist you on this matter.

      Best Regards,

      xxxxxxxxxx,
      ArticlesBase Support Team
      Great to hear it worked out nice and smooth, as it should be...

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Takedown notice sent to Wild West Domains - thanks. I will update when I hear something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

    Well, I'm following up on this and I'm going to squash this little parasite.
    What an enthusiastic guy! I do get the feeling once in awhile "It's time to buy a gun..." but that is probably one of the things it's better to put off until tomorrow. Enjoyed the thread so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lukas
    happened to me a few times as well. I found out the guy was sekf-hosting in Russia....so uh oh...I am up *&^ creek. But, it turns out he emailed me back and took it down.
    The DMCA does work well for me.

    Think about it, what black hat unethical gutter swine wants their webhost to shut their site down or get delisted/de-indexed from the search engines?

    In addition,these lazy acts put more manhours on EZA & other article directory staff as they investigate. They waste their time telling us our content is copied somewhere else under a different author.
    I am sure this will get corrected some day just as the gobbly-gook unreadable English articles out there will too.
    So, now we deal with spam & copied content.
    Maybe the fine for scrapers should be equivalent to spammer fines or even worse.
    With all of Google's money you'd think they have a software program to detect the copied content on he article directory or offending website and de-list the site; like Hubpages has which notifies you right away to take it down. I only know this b/c Hubpages didn't allow us to post content (3 sentences) from our site to a hub on the same topic.
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    • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
      Glad to see everything worked out.

      I had the same thing happen to me and I found out about it two weeks ago.

      Some person was literally taking ALL of my articles on Ezine and republishing them on ArticlesBase.......using MY REAL NAME (that's what really got me pissed)!

      I contacted ArticlesBase, they looked into the situation, banned the person's account, transferred all of the articles to my account, and all I had to do was replace the bio box with the original one.

      I went through with doing all of that since the articles that were on ArticlesBase was ranking very well in the SE's, and some were outranking my original articles on Ezine (another thing that pissed me off)!

      I won't go too crazy if I see one or two of my articles copied without keeping the bio box intact, but when someone copies ALL of my articles since March 2009 (around 200) and uses my actual name.....
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    • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
      Lukas, water-boarding comes to mind
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Thanks, and glad to see your stuff worked out as well. Ya know, that's why I call them parasites. They come down on you like locusts and eat the fruits of your labors. Life must continue. AJ, I see you're relatively new here--welcome!
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    You can't stress about it every time it happens. The more exposure you have, the more your stuff gets stolen. I have had my pitch page in it's entirety re-posted like 100 times including the font, color, graphics, etc. One scam bag stole my book, installed my pitch page on freewebs and sells it at a discounted price through PayPal.

    You just gotta move on. How much time are you going to spend on this? Is you time not valuable enough to chase copycats?

    On a side note it is true that the person may have bought the article as PLR and has no idea it's yours
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by activetrader View Post

      You can't stress about it every time it happens. The more exposure you have, the more your stuff gets stolen. I have had my pitch page in it's entirety re-posted like 100 times including the font, color, graphics, etc. One scam bag stole my book, installed my pitch page on freewebs and sells it at a discounted price through PayPal.

      You just gotta move on. How much time are you going to spend on this? Is you time not valuable enough to chase copycats?

      On a side note it is true that the person may have bought the article as PLR and has no idea it's yours
      In my current case (remember this is website content, not an article) the web host sent me an email:

      Support Staff ResponseAllen,

      The previous response was not a refusal but a notice to redirect your inquiry to the appropriate department as we will not be able to assist you with this issue. Please contact Abuse@SecureServer.net and they will be able to look into your request for you.

      Regards,

      Robert P.
      Time spent...about 10 minutes to find host and send two emails. I'll update when I hear more.

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    Simply contact them. Be civil as most webmasters and article writers do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Allen,

      Is there a possibility of you and other ezine directory owners having a public list of people caught doing this?

      Of course there would have to be solid evidence (screenshots/screen capture video and correspondence) to back it up.

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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

        Allen,

        Is there a possibility of you and other ezine directory owners having a public list of people caught doing this?

        Of course there would have to be solid evidence (screenshots/screen capture video and correspondence) to back it up.

        Martin
        Hi Martin,

        When the Article Dircetory Owners' Alliance was in its prime, we were going to try and initiate something like this. It was going to be a monumental challenge, but we thought we could at the very least make a dent.

        Unfortunately, the Alliance has fizzled somewhat, the new site is still not completed yet and as the internet changes, we wouldn't have much of a stance at this point in time.

        The alliance is still out there, and when appropriate, it will be there for article marketers and directory owners should a true epidemic of content theft break out.

        Right now, it is too sparse (believe it or not) for anyone of true authority to do anything about it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Allen & Mike,

    I recently went through this with a site that stole content from me. It was hosted by Godaddy, and after making the complaint the offending site was completely blocked from the internet.

    It only took them 2 hours after I provided proof in the format they wanted.

    The easiest why I found to prove infringement was to use archive.org links showing when my content was published on the internet.

    Keep at it and you will have the desired results.

    Cheers!

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  • Profile picture of the author Zacman
    Just another reason to keep your content on your own site.

    The days of AM are nearing their end.

    Always has been blown out of proportion anyway.

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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by Zacman View Post

      The days of AM are nearing their end.
      Care to give a good reason for this comment?

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      • Profile picture of the author Zacman
        Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

        Care to give a good reason for this comment?

        AL
        SEs, are getting more and more sophisticated and penalizing websites for duplicate content and inbound links from duplicate content.

        More and more webmasters are realizing that posting their original content on their own sites and blogs will produce more traffic than diluting the content by publishing it all over the net on many sites that have tons of low quality content.

        Here's the deal. I've been researching this for some time as I have heard rumblings from some very good sources as to the demise of AM.

        I've checked some of the supposed expert AMs here just recently just to see if their claims of exceptional success were valid.

        You know what I found? Tons of articles I checked I didn't find even one rated over a 1 star! Nearly everyone, (many over a year old) were in the 15-20 pageviews range. (@ ezine articles)

        So even at a good CTR of 25% your talking 4-5 click throughs in a years time!

        I'll admit these articles were mostly 3-4 hundred word count, and provided precious little value, but think about this for a minute.

        Even an average webpage focusing on a decent keyword should receive 1000s of page views a year if nothing else for long tail keyword traffic.

        Frankly if it's written and optimized well, and on a decent website to begin with it should receive 1000s per month.

        You tell me which one is more effective and which one can be monetized easier.

        Just one of a ton of reasons AM's days are numbered.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Here's the deal. I've been researching this for some time as I have heard rumblings from some very good sources as to the demise of AM.
          I heard that same opinion 5 years ago, and 3 years ago...and last year. But I still get traffic from articles I submitted last week....and last year and earlier....much of that traffic comes from good sites that added my articles/links to their content (it's called syndication).

          Smart webmasters post their articles on their sites/blogs as well as submitting them. It's not do this OR do that - article marketing is part of a strategy, not the whole system.

          SEs, are getting more and more sophisticated and penalizing websites for duplicate content and inbound links from duplicate content.
          Whether or not you do article marketing is your choice but this is bad information. Those who use article marketing know that "duplicate content" doesn't apply to your own articles - and never did.

          I've checked some of the supposed expert AMs here just recently just to see if their claims of exceptional success were valid.
          May be a good method to check on some - but many of us write and publish under pen names so you may not be finding the best of the person's work.

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          • Profile picture of the author Zacman
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I heard that same opinion 5 years ago, and 3 years ago...and last year. But I still get traffic from articles I submitted last week....and last year and earlier....much of that traffic comes from good sites that added my articles/links to their content (it's called syndication).
            Of course you likely are but AM is becoming less and less effective particularly according to the 80/20 rule.

            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Smart webmasters post their articles on their sites/blogs as well as submitting them. It's not do this OR do that - article marketing is part of a strategy, not the whole system.
            I agree, I would argue it should be a very small part of your overall strategy.

            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Whether or not you do article marketing is your choice but this is bad information. Those who use article marketing know that "duplicate content" doesn't apply to your own articles - and never did.
            #1 I never said I didn't do AM. And B. this is not bad information. If it's not duplicate content would you like to define exactly why not?

            Of course it is duplicate content, and SEs are penalizing webmasters more and more these days for it particularly when the links point to a site which has the same content on them.

            Publishing an article you have on your own site that you wrote is counterproductive at best and extremely detrimental at worst.



            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            May be a good method to check on some - but many of us write and publish under pen names so you may not be finding the best of the person's work.

            kay
            I just happened to check on someone here I know uses their own name and brags constantly about their experience and income.

            I was not surprised to find the claims inflated and the actual stats extremely poor.

            That's my point. An article on the most active Article Directory receiving a handful of hits a year! Are you kidding me. That's effective?

            I'm not saying there isn't some merit to AM, and good authors have a measure of success focusing on AM, but the vast majority like the one I checked out pump out fluffy low quality content for the sake of racking up a high article count, and trying to brand themselves.

            IMO, they do just that. Brand themselves as poor content writers and the entire AM industry has suffered for it, even though for a time they made some decent money at it.

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        • Profile picture of the author WareTime
          Originally Posted by Zacman View Post

          SEs, are getting more and more sophisticated and penalizing websites for duplicate content and inbound links from duplicate content.

          More and more webmasters are realizing that posting their original content on their own sites and blogs will produce more traffic than diluting the content by publishing it all over the net on many sites that have tons of low quality content.
          Cheers,
          Zac
          I'm with you 100% on that. Why should I write content for directories when I can put the content on my site. Lots of original content is a good thing. You might get a real link from someone if your not careful. A real link from a real website, not some article directory or at the bottom of an article in a resource box.

          There is a lot of talk that where your link is on a web site goes into it's value as well. Think hotspot mapping. If your link is in the footer of a site it has lesser value than if it's in the body of an article. How hard do you think it is for google to say that links at the end of an article are not worth as much as links towards the beginning. If they do that they've made article marketing worth less. Article marketing is simply one more attempt to game your rankings and search engines are on to that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I disagree with all of that. I don't want to argue, but your sources ar either skewed, indirect (through the grapevine), complete guesses or they don't know what article marketing is. I've researched this for years with sources that couldn't be any better and I find that things are going just swell.

    I guess the whole idea depends on what you think article marketing is. Times change, rules change...article marketing changes. If you are thinking of article marketing from years past, then you are right...in fact, THAT article marketing has already died.

    Article marketing of today is different than what I think your sources think it is. Even the top IM gurus are mistaken...or at least way far behind in what's really going on.

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    • Profile picture of the author Zacman
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      I disagree with all of that. I don't want to argue, but your sources ar either skewed, indirect (through the grapevine), complete guesses or they don't know what article marketing is. I've researched this for years with sources that couldn't be any better and I find that things are going just swell.

      I guess the whole idea depends on what you think article marketing is. Times change, rules change...article marketing changes. If you are thinking of article marketing from years past, then you are right...in fact, THAT article marketing has already died.

      Article marketing of today is different than what I think your sources think it is. Even the top IM gurus are mistaken...or at least way far behind in what's really going on.

      AL
      Allen,

      I dont' mean to argue either, but lively debate can produce fruits other general chat doesn't.

      You made some generalizations in your post without substantiating any of them.

      Would you care to clarify a tad?

      Cheers,
      Zac
      P.S. I don't mean to be painting with a broad brush, of course I understand there are tons of excellent AMs, and depending upon where you are published you can receive tons of traffic from your writings. I am referring to the majority and how it is perceived by the SEs these days.

      P.S.S. I also don't mean to take this thread off topic, but parasites stealing article content is just a perfect example of the state of AM on the internet and why it is less valuable these days.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Thanks Zac,

        Unfortunately, the "big guys" out there are unaware of what is really going on in the AM world...at least those that don't have a close relationship with folks like Chris Knight or others in his category.

        In fact, search engines are giving more and more traffic to the article directories that are working toward educating their authors, pushing integrity, quality & original content, and publishing good articles.

        Those who accept 300 word pieces of crap are losing their SE prowess very quickly, but those who are publishing the good stuff are seeing more traffic now than ever from the SEs.

        Perhaps you are speaking more of the authors than the article directories...I'm not sure. But I do know that the SEs are far from giving up on all of the article directories.

        The "good" article directories are being referred to as the excpetion to the rule...but as time passes, they are slowly becoming the norm intead of the exception, while the others disappear.

        It looks to me that the SEs are not taking traffic and results away from all of the article directories...they are simply redirecting it from crappy ones to the good ones.

        As far as what article marketing is today compared to "yesterday"...well, I could go on forever, but I have to take the wife and kids out for dinner. So I'll just sum it up with one word...integrity. Integrity rules right now.

        Respectfully,
        Allen

        p.s. Content theft happens on all pages...not just articles. And I think it should be referred to as the state of IM as a whole...not just the state of AM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Make sure you get an alert from Google Alerts for your name as well as article titles. It will save you time and effort in finding out who is nicking your articles.

    It takes me about 5 mins a week to check what is happening.

    People post them on associated articles as well, and they are one directory who are only interested in money. They never respond to any complaints and normally keeps the article there even when given proof.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      People post them on associated articles as well, and they are one directory who are only interested in money. They never respond to any complaints and normally keeps the article there even when given proof.
      I've found this to be the case wit ArticleDashboard.com as well. Absolutely no response from them.

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    • Profile picture of the author TeamGlobal
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      People post them on associated articles as well, and they are one directory who are only interested in money. They never respond to any complaints and normally keeps the article there even when given proof.
      Bev,

      Did you mean associated articles or associated content?

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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    I feel sorry for you mike. I can only imagine the lost. traffic.

    I myself picks up selected article from articlesbase and because I'm capable in SEO and social marketing, I know I send good traffic to those authors.

    As to whether I'm sending the traffic to the right author..I can only hope so.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    One thing I just wanted to chirp in on. I think most people use articles to drive traffic to their sites in order to sell something. But there is another thing to consider as well. A friend who has done some mailings with me has over 10,000 articles in the EZA database. He outsources a lot of them, but has thousands he has written himself.

    The URL in every single of one his articles does not go to a sales or pre-sell page--but rather to a squeeze page with a very cool bonus. Sure, he wants to sell his stuff, but before that--he focuses entirely on building his list--and his list is enormous.

    It's really a matter of immediate gratification vs delayed gratification. Remember, driving someone to your sales page is pretty much a one-time shot at selling them a product. But getting them on your list means that you can market to them a hundred times a year. Just a thought.

    Of course you can still have an opt-in pop-up on your sales page if you drive traffic there, but I get a better conversion rate if I send people to a squeeze page by itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Hi mike,

    Thank for the tip re: opt-in list. Tsk, Tsk, haven't implemented one yet. Missed hundred hits already..

    oMar
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    • Profile picture of the author TeamGlobal
      I posted this in a thread of it's own and was looking to get feedback on this matter. I've just started experimenting with videos on YouTube.

      I noticed that some other website owners started to post my videos on their sites. So far, so good.

      It appears that some of them have copied my entire YouTube video description and posted it on their websites. I didn't think that was allowed since the description does not show up when you embed the YouTube code on your website.

      Should they be able to do that or should they only be able to use the video itself?

      Thanks in advance for your response. Have a phenomenal day.

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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    Hi Mike

    maybe the person used some of the last services that pop around, where they automatically grab articles from ezinearticles and use it directly; it became common practice with lots of advanced tools. I won't mention the tools as some belong to fellow warriors

    by the way the time you spent on it would have been enough to write another articles

    just my 2 cents

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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    A number of people have cautioned me not to get obsessed with the thing and to get on with life. I do know what you mean. Actually, I found the person stealing my article one day, emailed her and the article directory owner, and the matter was resolved.

    And, I know there are a hundred others just like her out there doing the same thing to me--and to you, and while I'm not of a mind to chase them all down--I got one of the little buggers and in a small way it felt good. But thank you for your concern!

    One other thing I wanted to pop in here related to what articles can do for us. Whether it's EZA or Allen's great Website-Articles, posting an article and getting it to show on the front page of Google, YaHoo, or MSN also bumps one of your competitors off from the front page.

    Suppose you are promoting some kind of high-tech electronic gizmo and you have a pre-sell page at #4 on the front page of Google. Then one of your articles shows the next day at #6 on the front page of Google. Cool as well. But aside from getting you a bit more traffic, you have also succeeded in knocking one of your competitors off from the front page. Throw in a Squidoo lens, Blogger blog, Hubpage, Quizilla posting, a Weebly page . . . well, the more pages you get to rank on the front page, the more of your competitors get pushed back into the hinterlands of the SERPs.

    There are only 10 front page listings. The more you own, the less competition you have, and articles are a fast and easy way to take up some valuable real estate in the SERPs.
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  • Profile picture of the author scraggz
    I came on the forum to post about EZA but found this thread through search first.

    The same thing has happened to me but with a twist.

    I have had my EZA account suspended because someone stole my 100% original article, without the bio!

    I submitted it to Goarticles and Articlesbase BEFORE I submitted it to EZA, obviously, shouldn't do it that way round, I now know.

    I believe it's a scraper site that's taken it and I'll be contacting them, not so much because they took the article but because my account is suspended and at the moment EZA don't look like they want to talk about it.

    Moral: always post to EZA first and wait until the article's accepted. It'll slow down your submissions though.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    I know we are just talking about articles here, but the problem goes much deeper than that. Consider the X-Men movie that was pirated last month and released on the Internet. The studio spent many tens-of-millions of dollars to create it and within a few days millions of copies had been distributed. That could cost the studio tens of millions of dollars in box-office sales.

    I was in NYC last summer. I was down on Canal Street where you can get virtually any knocked-off product you can imagine. There are guys selling any movie or music CD you can imagine for $2 a whack. Titles were just written on CDs with sharpie markers. And money was changing hands so fast it would make your head spin.

    And every 5 seconds you would see a guy whistling by with a two-wheeled cart filled with beer cartons containing thousands of CDs to be distributed to vendors on the streets. (And this is not to mention the knocks-offs of jewelry, designer jeans, purses, watches, etc.)

    Whether it's Gucci bags, music CDs, movies, or articles--we live in a society where people make a business out of stealing products and profiting. It's a fact of life. Whether it's an article, an ebook, or a web site--a certain number of people simply have no qualms about pirating other people's products.

    At least here on the WF I know that most members appreciate the work that goes into creating and marketing products. Every time one of you goes to the market and buys some bread, eggs, milk, or steak--I'm sure you have said something like--this isn't just money I'm spending--it represents a number of ebooks I had to sell. Your digital products, whether ebooks, articles, videos, etc. represent a fungible currency and you depend on that currency to survive.

    It's too bad every ebook author or affiliate marketer doesn't wear a cap in public to identify themselves as such. If you did, I would look at you and say--there is a person of substance who appreciates the value of creativity and hard work.

    I know a lot of people out there think that folks like us who sit at a computer all day somehow are cheating the system. They think if you don't punch a time clock that you don't have a real job--but you do! You're special and you should take pride in what you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author latoure1
    I think if someone copies your article mostly word-for-word and expects google to index your homepage based on that, it wont work. Usually the spyders already know of the previous article as "unique" and will not do anything with the copied one.

    Also: Ezinearticles software should block such copied articles upon submission.
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