Should I Use An Autoresponder?

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Im about to start building my list, i was originally going to build a list without an autoresponder. But from what Ive read you cant just plug the list into an autoresponder in the future, they would have to re-opt in?? My site gets about 60 uniques/day. Should i start with a pro auto responder like Aweber or just collect emails and sign up to and autoresponder in the future??
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    Absolutely Yes!! Your relationship with your list is fundamental to you being successful online ... and this cannot be managed effectively through a simple Email Account.

    Invest in one which is tried, tested and reliable. This is one area where I would suggest you do not cut corners.

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    • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
      Yes, there is no better way to establish relationship with your list than an autoresponder. It is an absolute must if you are looking to build relationsihp with your list. And dont forget , autoresponder saves you tons of time by not having to send an email individually to every subscriber who joins your list, it takes care of this automaticaly. Thats why it is called an Autoresponder
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

    Should i start with a pro auto responder like Aweber?
    Only if you want to start making money
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  • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
    Sounds like its a must! I was just hesitant because i dont have a list right now, but you guys think i should sign up even if my list builds slowly and i only see sales within the next 6 months- to 1 year?
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  • Profile picture of the author GailTrahd
    Even with slow list building you will see sales, depending upon your relationship to the people/readers, what you send them in the way of content and relationship building and the products your promote.

    In the IM niche people may be a bit more jaded, but in other niches people want YOU to do their research and grunt work. If you find a product, review it, give an honest review, say what you really don't like about it and if it really does supply the content promised on the sales page - you know - all the good stuff about communicating with a list of people.

    Just remember that an autoresponder is one of the costs of doing business online. You are marketing a product or service and need a way of communicating professionally with your readers. Don't mess that up early on or that list your start will head down the tubes when your ISP bans you from sending bulk email and people do not optin in AGAIN to another list your create.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

    Should i start with a pro auto responder like Aweber
    Yes. GetResponse/Aweber/whatever (not a "free" one!).

    Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

    or just collect emails and sign up to and autoresponder in the future??
    The list you collect won't be worth anything much to you, if each person isn't contacted on the day they sign up, as explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...responder.html
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    • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Yes. GetResponse/Aweber/whatever (not a "free" one!).



      The list you collect won't be worth anything much to you, if each person isn't contacted on the day they sign up, as explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...responder.html
      I found a couple threads on listwire... i feel like its the best move for me as i currently have no sales and no list, then in the next few years if i really feel like changing i can import list to aweber. I just dont feel like incurring another monthly charge with no current income from my website.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Some "free" autoresponders are monetized by sending their business opportunity/make money offers, with their affiliate links, to your subscribers. You have to decide for yourself how professional you think that will look to your subscribers. For myself, I wouldn't dream of it, but your judgment may be different.

        re: autoresponders
        LIST BUILDING FOR ROOKIES...
        Using Listwire on Squeeze page
        listwire is free?
        Have you heard of listwire?

        Here's the reality: nobody actually "needs" a free autoresponder.

        People only imagine that they do, and that there'll be some long-term benefit to starting that way, and that in some meaningful sense it'll be better than not having one at all.

        Aweber charges $1 for the first month and $19 per month thereafter. GetResponse gives a month free (or is it for $1? No, I think it's free) and then charges $15 per month. If you're not covering $15/$20 in two months, the reality is that you don't have a business at all, and that's not something that using a free autoresponder is somehow, magically, going to correct.

        In my opinion, using a free autoresponder is one of the very most ill-advised and misguided things one can do, in internet marketing.

        Few people are more keen on list-building than I am, but I think for most people it's better to start without an autoresponder, temporarily, than it is to use a free one. And (unlike the situation with regard to free hosting), with autoresponders it IS specifically the fact they're free that causes the potential disasters/risks, in my view.

        The question you have to ask yourself is whether it can possibly be wise to entrust the safe-keeping and security of your business's greatest, most important and least replaceable asset (your list) to a company whose business model is that of being a free autoresponder. I think that it's generally right at the start of their internet marketing careers, when people understandably have the least judgement about such situations, and the least awareness of the facts and realities involved, that such mistakes tend to be made.

        I suspect that people imagine something along the lines of "Well, I can always start with a free autoresponder until I've made some money, and then make the switch to a better one". Usually, one can't easily do that. Moving established lists from one autoresponder company to another is typically hugely difficult, and very commonly results in all one's subscribers needing - at best - to opt in all over again. Many Warriors have commented here that they've lost between two-thirds and three-quarters of their lists, this way!

        Some people just shrug and say "Well, you can always back it up regularly, can't you?". Easily said. What are you going to do with it, after you've "backed it up"? How are you going to import it elsewhere? Who's going to allow you to import it elsewhere, and under what conditions? (People don't always think about these problems. But the experience of Warriors who have actually had to try to do this seems to me to point to its being something of a nightmare and a disaster).

        In the case of Mailchimp, obviously enough, the situation's very clear to anyone willing to make the effort to read their Terms of Service. In the case of other "free autoresponders" (of which there are several), it's usually very much less clear, unfortunately. Typically, those recommending one, in my opinion, are only recent list-builders themselves and may not yet be aware of some of the longer-term pitfalls.

        Some of these companies even attach to every email their customers send out to their lists a clickable link advertising their own free service! It's literally the autoresponder equivalent of having a little website advising people about <whatever> sitting at Yola, with a big clickable link at the bottom of the page advertising "Get your free website here with Yola".

        You'll find it hard to believe, I know, but some even send their own email, with their own promotional links to some kind of "business opportunity", to your customers/subscribers!!

        How professional does that look?!

        Take care. Take the time to do your research and see how other Warriors are saying it looked to their subscribers/customers and why they'll never use a free autoresponder again.

        Some of these companies also don't yet have a very well established business model. Who really knows if they're still going to be there 3 years later? But if they're not, that can be an absolute disaster to your business!

        On previous occasions when I've made that point, someone with a financial interest in a "free autoresponder" business has replied, mentioning that I don't know that Aweber or GetResponse will still be there in 3 years' time, either. I honestly think this a pretty silly argument, because it should be clear to all of us that the odds are stacked in one's favour if one uses Aweber (for example) and against one if one uses a "free autoresponder".

        If necessary, I'd make a sale or two without having a list, and then start with Aweber or GetResponse.

        The set-up costs even for internet marketing businesses which do everything professionally, right from the start, are absolutely minuscule ...

        My perspective only - there are others who disagree, of course. One or two of them are owners of free autoresponder businesses.

        And some others, I think, are pretty inexperienced and have maybe not yet encountered any problems - in contrast to others here whose warning-posts can readily be found with the search function, by those willing to look.
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        • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Some "free" autoresponders are monetized by sending their business opportunity/make money offers, with their affiliate links, to your subscribers. You have to decide for yourself how professional you think that will look to your subscribers. For myself, I wouldn't dream of it, but your judgment may be different.

          re: autoresponders
          LIST BUILDING FOR ROOKIES...
          Using Listwire on Squeeze page
          listwire is free?
          Have you heard of listwire?

          Here's the reality: nobody actually "needs" a free autoresponder.

          People only imagine that they do, and that there'll be some long-term benefit to starting that way, and that in some meaningful sense it'll be better than not having one at all.

          Aweber charges $1 for the first month and $19 per month thereafter. GetResponse gives a month free (or is it for $1? No, I think it's free) and then charges $15 per month. If you're not covering $15/$20 in two months, the reality is that you don't have a business at all, and that's not something that using a free autoresponder is somehow, magically, going to correct.

          In my opinion, using a free autoresponder is one of the very most ill-advised and misguided things one can do, in internet marketing.

          Few people are more keen on list-building than I am, but I think for most people it's better to start without an autoresponder, temporarily, than it is to use a free one. And (unlike the situation with regard to free hosting), with autoresponders it IS specifically the fact they're free that causes the potential disasters/risks, in my view.

          The question you have to ask yourself is whether it can possibly be wise to entrust the safe-keeping and security of your business's greatest, most important and least replaceable asset (your list) to a company whose business model is that of being a free autoresponder. I think that it's generally right at the start of their internet marketing careers, when people understandably have the least judgement about such situations, and the least awareness of the facts and realities involved, that such mistakes tend to be made.

          I suspect that people imagine something along the lines of "Well, I can always start with a free autoresponder until I've made some money, and then make the switch to a better one". Usually, one can't easily do that. Moving established lists from one autoresponder company to another is typically hugely difficult, and very commonly results in all one's subscribers needing - at best - to opt in all over again. Many Warriors have commented here that they've lost between two-thirds and three-quarters of their lists, this way!

          Some people just shrug and say "Well, you can always back it up regularly, can't you?". Easily said. What are you going to do with it, after you've "backed it up"? How are you going to import it elsewhere? Who's going to allow you to import it elsewhere, and under what conditions? (People don't always think about these problems. But the experience of Warriors who have actually had to try to do this seems to me to point to its being something of a nightmare and a disaster).

          In the case of Mailchimp, obviously enough, the situation's very clear to anyone willing to make the effort to read their Terms of Service. In the case of other "free autoresponders" (of which there are several), it's usually very much less clear, unfortunately. Typically, those recommending one, in my opinion, are only recent list-builders themselves and may not yet be aware of some of the longer-term pitfalls.

          Some of these companies even attach to every email their customers send out to their lists a clickable link advertising their own free service! It's literally the autoresponder equivalent of having a little website advising people about <whatever> sitting at Yola, with a big clickable link at the bottom of the page advertising "Get your free website here with Yola".

          You'll find it hard to believe, I know, but some even send their own email, with their own promotional links to some kind of "business opportunity", to your customers/subscribers!!

          How professional does that look?!

          Take care. Take the time to do your research and see how other Warriors are saying it looked to their subscribers/customers and why they'll never use a free autoresponder again.

          Some of these companies also don't yet have a very well established business model. Who really knows if they're still going to be there 3 years later? But if they're not, that can be an absolute disaster to your business!

          On previous occasions when I've made that point, someone with a financial interest in a "free autoresponder" business has replied, mentioning that I don't know that Aweber or GetResponse will still be there in 3 years' time, either. I honestly think this a pretty silly argument, because it should be clear to all of us that the odds are stacked in one's favour if one uses Aweber (for example) and against one if one uses a "free autoresponder".

          If necessary, I'd make a sale or two without having a list, and then start with Aweber or GetResponse.

          The set-up costs even for internet marketing businesses which do everything professionally, right from the start, are absolutely minuscule ...

          My perspective only - there are others who disagree, of course. One or two of them are owners of free autoresponder businesses.

          And some others, I think, are pretty inexperienced and have maybe not yet encountered any problems - in contrast to others here whose warning-posts can readily be found with the search function, by those willing to look.
          Alright perfect ive made up my mind lol. Im going to wait for at least a single affiliate sale to come through from my website then i will go with Aweber! Thanks for your help.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

            Alright perfect ive made up my mind lol. Im going to wait for at least a single affiliate sale to come through from my website then i will go with Aweber! Thanks for your help.
            You're welcome ... good decision, IMHO.
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          • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
            Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

            Alright perfect ive made up my mind lol. Im going to wait for at least a single affiliate sale to come through from my website then i will go with Aweber! Thanks for your help.
            Why wait when you can get the 30 day free trial?

            What if you don't make a sale for 6 months? That is 6 months of potential list building absolutely wasted.

            The sooner you start building your list, the sooner you can automate some of your money making.

            Do it NOW. Not later, not tomorrow, not after you make your first sale. But RIGHT NOW.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    I was able to make my autoresponder fee back pretty fast within my first month of List Building.

    The autoresponder is the heart of your business. If you don't have one, well, you know..
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  • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
    You know whats weird? I just check out some of the largest sites in my niche and there using mailchimp!? One of the sites has been around for a long time. 10+ years...
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  • Profile picture of the author CTRTheme
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    Yes, use aweber as your auto responder.
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  • Profile picture of the author jayatana
    it is a must to have autoresponder both getresponse or aweber, they are the best one so far,for those who want to collect email list
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  • Profile picture of the author shawoon98
    It's good that I went trough the thread before I actually comment. Alexa said it all here
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7835507

    And congrates that you've made up your mind to the right direction. Actually we shouldn't say, "Build a list". We should rather say, "Keep building list". That's professional. And do it using a professional autoresponder that other successful professionals use.
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  • Profile picture of the author New Comer
    I see that you already decided, but A-Web nasty gets my vote all the way! (Aweber)
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    • Profile picture of the author livo
      I did not have an autoresponder for about a year when i first started in Internet Marketing.

      Guess how many sales i made .......... none

      Aweber for me
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    Aweber is recommended by most marketers.
    Do note that Aweber is not so keen/supportive on MMO niche.
    They have records of shutting accounts.. Especially the list get very big.

    I go for Getresponse these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennisknows
    Yea you better start building that list. I use to recommend a free autoresponder to newbies but I started seeing how difficult it is to move a list and I stopped that.

    If you can't pay $20, check out GVO. They have one for $10 a month (or that's what I pay). but they allow you to build a list of up to 500 for $10; plus hosting and a bunch of other tools for your business.

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    • Profile picture of the author doc4978
      I have used Aweber which I found very easy

      I am going to be doing a launch using GetResponse.... again, seems very simple and my initial thoughts are it could offer more than Aweber..but I will soon find out!
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    You don't always need an autoresponder.
    A lot depends on your niche.
    Sometimes no amount of marketing will get people to buy.
    If it is a niche where there is a lot of free stuff around then they will be reluctant to buy, relationship or no relationship. Also the more subscribers you accumulate the more you will have to pay monthly for your autoresponder. Otherwise it can be beneficial to build a targetted list of buyers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      My view isn't a popular one here - but I DON'T think everyone has to start by building a list.

      Free autoresponders have abysmal deliverability. They also are obviously "free" with ads, etc.

      Good autoresponder companies remain good because they protect their deliverability - which means they don't let you just pile in a list of emails because YOU say this is your "list".

      You can get an autoresponder for $15-19 a month. If you aren't ready to spend that much ....focus on traffic expansion and exposure for your site(s) and add a list LATER.

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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    If you want to multiplied your income, you should use autoresponder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrianne_
    If your goal is to build a list of subscribers, then using an autoresponder
    will make your life a whole lot easier, because it will automate the process
    of contacting your subscribers every week.

    This can be done manually, but only if you are good a keeping records
    of the last time you sent an email, and which email was sent to a
    specific subscriber. With an autoresponder, all you would need to
    do is load up all your emails, and you would not have to keep track
    of your email schedule.
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  • Profile picture of the author asuran
    There isa saying which applies even to internet marketing. If you make a friend you make a sale. We mostly buy stuff from people we know, like and trust and that trust is built up not gained by a glimpse on out website.

    An autoresponder is a must if you don't want to live day by day hoping that a serious buyer comes to your site.

    Product recommendations, endorsement is a great way to earn affiliate commissions but the most effective way to do it is with alist who responds to your messages.

    I hop I could help in your decision.
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  • Profile picture of the author Susan A
    wait until you have a lot of email in your list. and then you should hire auto-responder service. of course it is important. Can you handle your list yourself? of course not. If you have hundred of email in your list, you should start find a good way to give them a proper auto responder. That is how a professional Internet Marketer nurture their loyal customer.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeffreyBenson
    You can't run an internet marketing business without an autoresponder so get one. Contrary to many people's belief, the money is NOT in the list. The money is in the relationship you build with your list and the relationship has to be a good one.

    A bad relationship is worse than not having a relationship at all so comit to building good relationship with your list and you'll make money in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author sabatek
    Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

    Im about to start building my list, i was originally going to build a list without an autoresponder. But from what Ive read you cant just plug the list into an autoresponder in the future, they would have to re-opt in?? My site gets about 60 uniques/day. Should i start with a pro auto responder like Aweber or just collect emails and sign up to and autoresponder in the future??

    Having a vistor "re-opt in" is not as simple as you think. You have to make a serious impression on them to do so. If you don't want to pay for an auto-responder use Email Marketing and Email List Manager | MailChimp.

    But moving a list isn't simple. So I suggest picking a company you want to stay long term and start building your list now.

    Think of how many of that 60 you receive are unique visits. You don't know if they will return. That is what a auto-responder is for to keep them engaged and coming back.
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    Any kind of marketing without a subscribers list is not marketing at 100% potential.
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