google bans and get richer by keeping advertising money.

There's nothing evil about multi-national corporations, it's just how we perceive them and how we manage to use them for our own needs.

Many people are making a fortune online without a Google click in sight, if you're that concerned about Google, don't use them.

I personally use Bing and Google in order to get the most from my internet experience.

If you use the "Google System" in the right way then you can work alongside them in a way that will be very beneficial to your IM businesses and way of life.

Not sure why you are surprised, Google is always going to lookout for Google.

Google may be evil in some, even many, ways. But they're a necessary evil for IMers.

On the other side of the coin, there are an AWEFUL lot of evil IMers who line their own pockets selling all manner of useless "stuff" to people who want to make money online. I wish we could get rid of them.

Just sayin' ...

BF

I start laughing when I think of the top search engine using paid backlinks.

We live in a "Fallen World" Jack...Google is just another example of a selfish, regulated entity that preys on the weak...I will take your advice and encourage the use of other conglomerates instead of Google. Good article...

Google doesn't care.

True.

More truth.

And it keeps coming.

But they are, they're going everywhere.

Google is in to more areas of your life than most of you realize. They are into everything, from alternative energy to health care systems.

They recently admitted in court that they manipulated search results in favor of their partners. They pay the fine, and walk away. They don't care what you think of them or if you choose to use them.

Typical example of wolves in sheep's clothing. It's only a problem if they look like sheep to you.

Google is the most arrogrant group of elitiest snops ever. The only company ever that doesnt have a telephone number you can talk to them about well anything. Big brother is here and they control all your secrets. Beware

Google is Evil, not just as a corporation.. it tries to become more: a sort of orwellian entity that tries to watch upon us like a big brother. Google gathers information about us through all possible ways, they don't respect our email and browsing privacy and now there's even more to it: with Google Glass they will monitor every single move we make.

Yes, I too encourage people to use Google Products as little as possible. It's a scary corporation and I wish it will soon go bankrupt.

Lol, there is a reason why they have their own satellite

Heck, I love Google, and Google returns the love. Even, a couple of years ago to receive, a plane ticket and, few nights' hotel in Santa Clara and a tour of the Googleplex. I earn about $50 a month from AdSense, and try to help out the people who receive the dreaded "account disabled" email on the Google help forum (gone through that experience, twice, and thankfully survived.)

Google has its warts; its goodness, stupidity and genius. Out in the real world, the company deals with an absolutely astounding number of people, some of whom are angels and some of whom are truly evil. (I earned my spurs -- and the elevated status with Google -- fending off one nutcase who decided to throw every piece of crap he could at my AdSense account, creating so much havoc that even Google engineers were thwarted.)

Of course, the power can be abused. And of course, the impersonalized and automated systems really are a pain when things go wrong and you can't get a human to help. Like any entrepreneurial success, some individuals and businesses have suffered great losses because of Google, and others have thrived. However, I sense most of the people blaming Google for their problems really need to look closer to home; the rational approach to this organization is to respect it, use it for what it is good, and ensure that your life doesn't depend on it one way or another. Then if things go wrong, you aren't up a creek.

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Honestly, most successful marketers do not look at Google as anything except as a source of revenue.

Old news. It is a good that you are keeping in touch with the Gmarket, but that is hardly the same as keeping in touch with the pulse of the Imarket.

Again, old news. Hardly recent news at all. There are at least a few discussions about it here in the forum 'before' it was syndicated news.

Warriors do not run from the fight.. We run to the fight! We do not punish a source of income.. We find honest ways to expand our own Gmarket resources and earn a honest living.

Many have tried it all and most end up in the poor house.

Please like the comments by all of the people that have a different opinion, so that it gets read by the most people possible...

... otherwise you are as bad as G.

Jeffery 100% :-)

Well, personally...I love Google. Not because I make tons of money using any of their advertising solutions, but because I admire their accomplishments and feel that they have created some great free products that are a fair trade off for what they ask in return.

Does anyone ever even NOTICE the ads in Gmail? I almost never do. Because they are subtle and unobtrusive, like ads should be when placed in a free web-based email client.

Facebook will suck at search every bit as much as Google has sucked at social (Google+). They are just two different things and should stick to what they do best, rather than try taking on everything (perhaps one of my only criticisms for Google).

Google is ran by some truly brilliant people and they seldom seem to settle for anything less than life-changing products that offer value to people on a global scale.

Sure, the recent algorithm updates were less than perfect. It's not like it's particularly easy for a search engine to discern spam sites from non-spam sites. Perhaps easy for humans, but Google seems to be doing their best when you consider just how much of the web they index and how many people are affected by changes to their algorithms.

it's all about the money from real to virtual world

Personally I use
https://www.startpage.com/eng/
for ordinary search , and only go to the big G if I need to use the keyword tool.
I do all PPC on Bing/Yahoo and some other networks.
Everything I can possibly do to avoid G , I do.
The less power they have the better as far as I am concerned.

Wow, you're really going to make Google suffer.

Sounds like you have been screwed like many others Jack.

Instead of getting angry at them divert your energies into something more constructive because you are flogging a dead horse relying on them for your business, and they sure as hell don't give a monkey's for anyone except their large corporate advertisers.

Personally I use Yahoo and Bing and have done for some time, they return everything I ever search for, Only using G to check out the SEO competition.

Since Panda many of there search pages have gone to downhill, or at least the one's I use, they have knocked some really good sites off the front pages and replaced them with out-of-date articles that are useless, so caring about their user's experience appears to be a lot of twaddle, they seem more interested in getting rid of affiliate sites - good or not.
Mind you affiliates only have themselves to blame for that, now the penalty is being paid for filling the internet up with junk trying to make a fast buck, instead of taking pride in providing high quality information and making a slow one.

Just think of all that time and effort wasted to be back at square one, a very shortsighted policy imo.

Hope you find your way again :-)

Google is the market leader in PPC.
Without Google, a number of us will be jobless. Small companies won't be able to complete with large corporation for online marketing.

We are just like small fishes in the big ocean.
We are only do so much..
Instead of going against the currents, we should adapt and flow with the currents.
We will have better returns.

They might be evil but we can't do anything against them. We have to make our way through these evil.

Google do my head in but that being said I love trying to beat their and any other system. I only have a few sites I use to test seo and rely on google and others. But social media traffic is so much easier to generate it would be stupid to put all your eggs in one basket.

Google has had a choke-hold on the internet marketing world for years. I'm just tired of dealing with Google for traffic so I'm trying to master other ways of marketing!

That article once more taught me that one should never establish sensitive Internet connections (including bank, PayPal and other similar things) on public wi-fi spots. You will have no idea who is seeing your details.

Google, will eventually become second best. Their seo practices, have wiped out 1000s of legit businesses and they keep getting worst. Google is like ebay, years go by and they get more greedy and it will be their downfall eventually...

Everyone thought, yahoo was going to be king forever...Things can change and do change

It will be something like taking a bucket of water from sea

I say we all move to BING ( a microsoft company). Clearly a customer friendly group there. no sarcasm at all.

Microsoft was one of the most hated companies around until google overtook them and became more powerful. Now people are urging folks to go back to microsoft...lol

BTW, why do folks hate targeted ads. personally i like the fact that the ads i see are more relevant to me. I am not in the market for tampons so i really don't mind never seeing ads for feminine hygiene products when i surf the internet.

Who cares if they know i like new electronic gadgets or mac computers? so what if they make money by providing me ads relevant to me rather than making me watch every ad targeted at every custom similar to the way tv and radio do.

Do you guys like that sort of adverting better?

And no, i am not a google lover. And i am probably as aware if not more of some scary things google is doing than most around here.

Vote with your feet people, thats the only way groups like google will give a damn what you think. If you complain but still use them and put money in their pockets they just go have a drink on you and laugh.

I hope they go bust!

can anyone say: Black Opps by TPTB?

Wow! What a great thread... and a very interesting article in that link. I really don't think we'll see any "pro" Google comments here. I'm thinking about the new Outlook for emails and I'm going to start using Bing now!

Thanks for all the comments. I think some of you may have missed my main point. I posted that article link for a reason. Google has crossed the line IMO. Its one thing to jury rigg your own product (their search engine). I mean they own it. You don't have to use Google. But it is entirely another matter to actively, illegally spy, and steal peoples personal information, to the point of copying passwords to wifi routers. What do you think would happen if you or I got stopped by a cop while driving down the street scanning each home's wifi info as we drove by (that is, assuming the cop understood what we were doing, LOL).
Business is business. I know we have to use Google. Just like if you have a pc, you have to use Microsoft. But look what happened to MS. They got too big, too dishonest, and now are playing catch up. They got smacked. And I think that is what Google needs. To get smacked. Google needs to be held accountable. Sure, my forgoing the use of their search engine is like shoveling sand on the beach, or as one commenter put it, emptying the ocean a bucket at a time. But if enough of us speak up, soon our voice will be heard. And who else, in terms of a group, can impact the influence of Google the most, us IM'ers. We do this every day.

There will always be an evil empire in peoples eyes.
At one time it was Microsoft....now everyone is championing Bing.
If Bing became huge you can bet your bottom dollar they would do what Google does.
Now Apple and Facebook are the evil empires.
In Europe it is Amazon and Starbucks.
I think it's best just to get on with things.

The more popular a person or a thing is, the more critics will be on them. It is natural.

GPS was only one of the example someone on the thread used, Google has clearly broken privacy laws before, and been fined for it. The point of this thread is that people are tired of Google deliberately invading on their privacy. You say these people are "bitching and whining" but all they are doing is venting their frustration by exercising their right to free speech. For you to say these grown ass people are "bitching and whining" is an insult, it's called having an opinion.

You don't have to agree with other people opinions, that is your right, as is theirs not to agree with your love of Google. Google has broken privacy laws before and that is a fact. Google could give two shits about you, me or anybody on this thread, so there is no need to insult people, because Google could give two shits if you like them or not.

Has Google illegally broken privacy laws before? Yes, that is a fact. Is this thread about you liking or disliking Google? false, it is not.

Note: This is from someone who loves using Google products. I don't agree with some of their practices, but I use and love their products.

Google is not evil.

Their CEO might engage in ritual satantic abuse, like when I saw him last week at one of our meetings. But for the most part they are good people.

They just like to sacrifice children/goats and drink human blood.. on occassion.

Then they sometimes deindex sites too.

But if not them.. who will keep all the restless demons happy?
I'm sure you'd prefer that nobody does it? And the demons have to derive pleasure on their own?

First - it doesn't matter if we like the post or not as far as readership. This isn't facebook. Likes won't make it go any further than it would without any. Thanks are to posters for a good post, and that's their only purpose.

Second - Google = corporation. Of course it is a self serving entity that exists only for the sake of its own proliferation and the wealth of those at the top. Don't expect any true form of charity from it. That would be delusional.

Third - The only way to topple a corporation is to refuse to feed it money. You can use it as a search engine all you want............if nobody feeds it money, it will shrivel and die....or if enough people withhold funds right from the get go, it will collapse very quickly.

Tissue anyone? Cry me a river!

Have people seriously got nuthin better to do with their time than worry about google?

How about just getting on with business... which I presume we are all here to do.

Sal

Not sure why you think paid back links are bad. Paid back links are actually okay unless they help you in your ranking for certain keywords such as they using certain anchor texts and are do-follow.

I reckon Google are not using paid backlinks to boost their own search engine rankings on their own search engine. Because frankly, that would be rather absurd.

I would have to agree with -
Cyberdog1

"There's nothing evil about multi-national corporations, it's just how we perceive them and how we manage to use them for our own needs."

Makes perfect sense.

Google is one of the biggest tax evaders in the world as well along with all of their other abuses.

That said - competition will take them out in time. The way people use the internet has been changing for years. Google doesn't seem as 'in tune' with consumers as a number of other companies do.

Google should follow through on their reason of being...

They are here to provide Warriors with first page rankings on demand as well as free PPC advertising. And whilst they are at it, they should increase their Adwords cut by over 500% so that all the people who spend hundreds on BS seo as well as trying to buck the system with spun crap articles and so on will get rich.

While we are at it...

They should legalise the use of Fiverr sourced like, and views as well as comments on social media and you tube. In fact, if they were half decent, they would employ a team of translators to correct the half-baked English blog comments that IM'rs outsource to 3rd wold countries.

And if they are really serious, they should publish right here on the WF weekly updates of their algorithms because we are just so entitled to know!

Sal

As much as I would love to say f*** google, It's a fact that they get 70% of search traffic.

I tried using Bing and while they do have better results, there's something missing with Bing. I can't put my finger on it though..

Plus they are implementing the rules of how to takeover a country. They do it to perfection.

They talked about it in the Fast Five. here's the video
Thought provoking scene from Fast Five - YouTube
As long as they provide all the services and free tools, Google will never go under 60% of online search traffic.

Someone at Google has mastered this stuff and has implemented it to perfection.

Now there's a simple choice to make. REally say f*** google and don't use any of their services and tools

or...

Accept that they are just a money hungry corporation like most are and deal with all the changes they are making to the internet.

Sucks but they know what they're doing. When you pretty much "own the internet" and have billions of people who would be completely lost without you, you can do what you wanna do...

whether good or bad...

Dennis
"the marketing menace"

Me and Google have a LOVE.. HATE relationship... They give me traffic sometimes(love)..but a lot of time, we are fighting (hate)..

No matter whatever it is, Google is KING and if you are able to use it in the right way, Google rewards you. Personally i making living because of it, so i would rather adhere to their policies and make money. My websites even after all those Panda updates are still ranking good and infact now it has been much better.

Relying on Google for the bulk of your traffic is naive and I don't like a lot of things that Google do but I still use their services all the time. Their search engine is the only one I ever use, I host and watch videos on YT, add events to Google calendars, use Gmail for emailing, use their analytics on my website, the keyword tool for keyword volumes, Google Alerts to be alerted of new content around the web that might be of interest to me or my sites.

F*ck Google but at the same time they are bloody useful.

Google understands that in order to stay #1 you have to give people exactly what they are looking for based on their search.

So to do this, they are cleaning out all the crap that people put up there...

Do they monetize their services? Hell yes - as we all would do.

Do they minimize their taxes if they can? Yes again... as we all do.

Anything that is as big as google has to be evil.maybe the founders of google weren't evil but today with CEOs and CFOs and all of the politics it has to evil.

how does not using google help us? Remember it is still a good SE compared to others and also whatever has a rise has a fall. Google will lose the position it has in market someday and it will become difficult for us to cope with ranking our websites on whatever comes next.

The reality is that google is master and we are lap dogs to its services... a bit like the mother in law that exerts too much influence.

You either accept it and learn to get along or maintain the rage and get nowhere.

Sal

Here is an update for those of you who thought Google did nothing illegal, or did not violate privacy rights, with their gps cars.

SAN FRANCISCO: Google Inc will pay $7 million to 38 states and the District of Columbia to settle an investigation into a controversial incident in which its Street View mapping cars collected passwords and other personal data from home wireless networks between 2008 and 2010.

Google will always continue to do that there's definately no
stopping them but I don't think deciding not to use them again
is the answer either. We as marketers must adapt and see an advantage
to every situation even when at first there appears not to be one. sorry
to go shakespeare here but that's what we do. We see problems and
instead of fighting we see how we can capitalize on the BIG G.