Where can I find JV's?

by jj1690
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Can someone tell me where I can find a good place to find JV's like jvnotifypro?
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    You don't really just find JV's. Affiliate marketing is relationship marketing in that it's usually a relationship you build up with someone over time just like any other. It's very rare any super affiliates are just going to promote someone willy nilly. You need to forge relationships. Do stuff for others before you expect them to do stuff for you. Get on their radar.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    There are potential JV partners all over the place right in front of your eyes. How many emails do you get coming into your email inbox every day. All these people are potential JV partners. Try contacting them.

    You need to start out partnering with people who have a similar list size as you do.

    I know most of the big boys will only do reciprocal joint ventures. So they won't even consider JVing with you if your list has less than 50,000 opt-in subscribers.

    Then if they do say they will mail for you, you are the one that has to mail first so they can see how your list reacts to their offer.

    So work with people who are about in the same position as you. The idea of a joint venture is not always traffic. A joint venture is suppose to be beneficial to both partners. Usually there is something that I don't want to do in a project or don't know how to do it and I find someone who can fill that area.

    That person either shares the profits or the list that I build. So both parties benefit.

    I believe there is a place in this forum where you can present your joint venture offer and see if someone will take you up on it. It will be harder for a stranger to do a JV with you. but it can be done.

    Most of the joint ventures I do come out of long term relationships.

    Best regards,
    Steve Yakim
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by yakim1 View Post

      I know most of the big boys will only do reciprocal joint ventures. So they won't even consider JVing with you if your list has less than 50,000 opt-in subscribers.
      That's simply not true.

      List size has NOTHING to do with it. Quality NOT quantity. I know plenty of people who have promoted for me in the past with very small list sizes, think 5K - 10K, and achieved much better results than a lot of people with very unresponsive lists of 30k+.

      You don't need a list of anywhere near 50K subscribers to do reciprocal mailings. You just need a responsive list.
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      • Profile picture of the author yakim1
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        That's simply not true.

        List size has NOTHING to do with it. Quality NOT quantity. I know plenty of people who have promoted for me in the past with very small list sizes, think 5K - 10K, and achieved much better results than a lot of people with very unresponsive lists of 30k+.

        You don't need a list of anywhere near 50K subscribers to do reciprocal mailings. You just need a responsive list.
        It depends on who you are doing joint ventures with and what they expect. I have a couple of them that have said they would not have done a JV with me if I didn't have a list of 50,000.

        Every once in a while they email me and say its time to do a JV. I'm just going by what they have said so I have to believe it is so.

        I know I have done things with people who have a smaller list than I do.

        You don't have to tell me about size verses quality. I teach that the quality of the list is much better and a highly targeted list is KING. I have over 200 different lists some with 30,000 to 50,000 people on those lists.

        I have one list of a little over 330 people on that list. The smaller list out sells the larger lists every time. All the people on that list have requested to be notified when I have a new product with resell rights or private label rights ready to sell.

        So when I send an email to that list, almost everyone ends up making a purchase.

        The real secret to building lists is to segment your lists in to highly targeted list. Heck everyone one on that list is already presold. I have some really big prospect lists and I have some lists that may have less than 10 people on them.

        I don't know that I build some kind of special relationship with these people. They do know that when I only contact them when I have something really good and of high quality. I have a lot more contact with the bigger lists, but the smaller lists do buy much more.

        But when something comes available that certain lists have requested to see, I let them know about it. Oh by the way, if I do a mailing for someone, you can bet that I'm not sending to these small highly targeted lists unless it is something that they have asked to see.

        Their mailing goes out to the larger prospect lists.

        I was just mentioning what some of the Big old dog marketers have said to me when they didn't know me from the man in the moon. That is what this post was about getting people to JV with you and don't have a clue who your are.

        Will, You and I seem to agree most of the time.

        Best regards,
        Steve Yakim
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        • Profile picture of the author WillR
          Originally Posted by yakim1 View Post

          It depends on who you are doing joint ventures with and what they expect. I have a couple of them that have said they would not have done a JV with me if I didn't have a list of 50,000.

          Every once in a while they email me and say its time to do a JV. I'm just going by what they have said so I have to believe it is so.

          I know I have done things with people who have a smaller list than I do.

          You don't have to tell me about size verses quality. I teach that the quality of the list is much better and a highly targeted list is KING. I have over 200 different lists some with 30,000 to 50,000 people on those lists.

          I have one list of a little over 330 people on that list. The smaller list out sells the larger lists every time. All the people on that list have requested to be notified when I have a new product with resell rights or private label rights ready to sell.

          So when I send an email to that list, almost everyone ends up making a purchase.

          The real secret to building lists is to segment your lists in to highly targeted list. Heck everyone one on that list is already presold. I have some really big prospect lists and I have some lists that may have less than 10 people on them.

          I don't know that I build some kind of special relationship with these people. They do know that when I only contact them when I have something really good and of high quality. I have a lot more contact with the bigger lists, but the smaller lists do buy much more.

          But when something comes available that certain lists have requested to see, I let them know about it. Oh by the way, if I do a mailing for someone, you can bet that I'm not sending to these small highly targeted lists unless it is something that they have asked to see.

          Their mailing goes out to the larger prospect lists.

          I was just mentioning what some of the Big old dog marketers have said to me when they didn't know me from the man in the moon. That is what this post was about getting people to JV with you and don't have a clue who your are.

          Will, You and I seem to agree most of the time.

          Best regards,
          Steve Yakim
          Steve,

          You said, and I quote...

          "So they won't even consider JVing with you if your list has less than 50,000 opt-in subscribers."

          That's all I was referring to. That statement is simply untrue. You may have had a few JV's tell you they won't promote unless you have a list of x subscribers, and if they did, they are probably not the sort of JV I would advise people to work with since someone making that comment does not understand the basics of list building. I've worked with plenty of JV's and super affiliates and I have never once had any of them mention the list size. They are more (and rightly so) interested in results rather than size.
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          • Profile picture of the author yakim1
            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            Steve,

            You said, and I quote...

            "So they won't even consider JVing with you if your list has less than 50,000 opt-in subscribers."

            That's all I was referring to. That statement is simply untrue. You may have had a few JV's tell you they won't promote unless you have a list of x subscribers, and if they did, they are probably not the sort of JV I would advise people to work with since someone making that comment does not understand the basics of list building. I've worked with plenty of JV's and super affiliates and I have never once had any of them mention the list size. They are more (and rightly so) interested in results rather than size.
            Please take into consideration that this happened to me back in 2005 before you ever entered into Internet Marketing. I also want you to recognize that you have made many more posts in this forum than I have but I've been a member of this forum since 2004.

            That is because I've been in the trenches working my tail off and everything that I've learned is from actual experience. I'm not saying you don't have experience. (Very Important). But I do have much more.

            So the statement I made is from experience.

            My reason for now trying to appear in this forum is to get people to know me and to try to help as many people as possible. I do have a couple of huge product launches coming up this year, so all the exposure I can get in this community will not hurt my launches.

            One service will be ready for launch in April. So I'm actually feel it is that important to help some of the people here instead of working on these product launches. The first launch is a service with no up front costs.

            There are only a very few online companies that provide this type of service, but have several bottle necks built into their product that should have been avoided but because their systems are static, It would be almost impossible for them to change.

            I always try to give a lot of quality information so my posts are usually lengthy. This takes a lot of time that could be applied else where. That is why I have so few posts in this forum in almost 9 years of being a member.

            I've put together a business plan that I feel will be very successful and can help many of the people in this forum to be successful because a very large numbers of the Warrior Forum Members will begin using this service.

            So I just want you to know that I have no reason to say anything that is untrue and my best intentions are behind the help that I try to give.

            I just have a very hard time seeing how you can spend so much time helping people out in this forum. This is because I agree with the majority of your posts. But to say that something in my post was untrue made me have to answer your claim.

            Best regards,
            Steve Yakim
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      • Profile picture of the author LexiB
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        That's simply not true.

        List size has NOTHING to do with it. Quality NOT quantity. I know plenty of people who have promoted for me in the past with very small list sizes, think 5K - 10K, and achieved much better results than a lot of people with very unresponsive lists of 30k+.

        You don't need a list of anywhere near 50K subscribers to do reciprocal mailings. You just need a responsive list.
        I'd say this is untrue as well. I won't mention any names (he goes by about 5 different names anyway) but I did a launch in the dating niche about 4 months ago and got a mailing from one of the biggest 'gurus' in that niche.

        I did the launch with the partners I had set up, got my metrics, presented what I had, and that was it. He mailed twice and blew the thing up.

        In my opinion it's about timing and money. If you show someone a good EPC and they don't have anything scheduled for the time you need the mailing, they'll most likely do it if you present it to them the right way.

        Same thing goes for webinars. If you show someone a $15 DPL, I don't care who you are, what your list size is, or what kind of relationship you have with them, they'll schedule something with you if you present it the right way.

        It's a business decision not a marriage. Sure, being nice to someone and trying to become their friend is great but at the end of the day if my "friends" copy sucks and he's getting double digit refunds, I'm not promoting it. On the other hand, I may hate you but if you can show me $5 EPCs and a refund rate of 5% or less and I have nothing scheduled, I'll do it all day long.
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    There is one section on the Warrior forum itself for JV services .Warrior Joint Ventures
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  • Profile picture of the author bkkmma
    All of my JV's have just happened organically, not from a meat market or anything, just people approaching me when they think our skillsets will sync up, and vice verse - if I see a project that I know I can take to the next level, I'll definitely get in touch with them.

    If you're at a point where you can contribute something real, people will gladly take you on.
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  • Profile picture of the author shawoon98
    It's a give and take relationship... But you gotta give first to take...

    Imagine you are a big product seller and I'm an affiliate. I promoted your product and helped you make some money. What will you do when I'll ask you to promote my product?
    You'll more likely promote my product. This is how we build a relationship of "give and take".


    Here is how you can start if you are new in the field-

    1. Build a list. You are in plus point if you already have a list.

    2. Build a relationship with your list and find their top interest. Good if you know what your list likes best.

    3. Target a product owner who has who regularly launches awesome products of the niche your list love and he/she make big sales during launches. Big sales during launch means the product owner is backed up by a big army of JVs.

    Target his/her next launch and prepare from at least 3 to 7 days.

    4. Mail really useful info related to the product launch you are targeting. Your list is not stupid. So, send useful info. Send case studies and proofs. Remember, the product you are going to promote should solve their big problem/time/money. How many mails you send depends on how much info you want to share.

    5. Make sure, your mail is opened and read. This way you are actually helping your list. In most cases, you'll find approx same numbers of mails opened. These readers are your buyers.

    6. Before the launch day, notify them that their problem is going to be solved at HH:mm EST/GMP/UCT.... on launch date.

    7. Mail them with exactly on launch date and time. Tell your list how they can be benefited from the product and how their problems will be solved with this.

    This is a lifelong process if you want to make money. After you make some sales, contact the product owner and tell him/her what you did to promote. They'll surely thank you and will help you in your launches in future...

    Rinse and repeat the whole process. This might seem long process. But that's how it goes. Remember, Give and Take.

    But...

    No worries... Their is a shorcut...

    Contact big sellers and ask them to be your JV manager.

    They have jv connections more than you do. If your product is good, many will do it for you. There is no problem asking people if they want to be your JV manager. And they'll let you know their terms and conditions. If okay, go ahead...

    Hope this helps.
    -M. Bari
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  • Profile picture of the author WordpressManiac
    I agree to the things Will said before and in my eyes it's just hard work. Participate in discussions and build real relationships, this will help.

    Maybe you want to look at warriorjv.com which is a marketer community founded by the well known Warrior Kenster.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Join a responsive SKYPE group..

    Some forums have a section where people post JV, they MAY charge you some fee for that thou.
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    • Profile picture of the author doc4978
      If you're looking to do a launch, I'd recommend announcing it on someone like muncheye.com...make sure you have a page where JVs can sign-up (integrate your autoresponder etc)and on that page, explain what you're doing, add email swipes etc...tools for them to do the job.
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  • Profile picture of the author jachu2
    The Warrior Forum.... Start networking..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Originally Posted by jj1690 View Post

    Can someone tell me where I can find a good place to find JV's like jvnotifypro?

    Launch calendars like WarriorJV.com (my site) and Muncheye (Chris Munch's site) are great ways to passively get affiliates.

    The main way will be active recruitment though...this is through networking, being active in communities, helping others, and promoting for others.

    It's a snowball effect process so don't get discouraged if the initial efforts don't seem to be bringing in adequate results...over time they will accumulate!
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    • Profile picture of the author thewealthapostle
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      Launch calendars like WarriorJV.com (my site) and Muncheye (Chris Munch's site) are great ways to passively get affiliates.

      The main way will be active recruitment though...this is through networking, being active in communities, helping others, and promoting for others.

      It's a snowball effect process so don't get discouraged if the initial efforts don't seem to be bringing in adequate results...over time they will accumulate!
      Thanks Kenster for your post. I never knew about your site before but I think it is something I have been looking for and I think it will certainly help the person who posted this thread
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Have an excellent product that's selling well and you won't have to find JVs, they'll find you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by thewealthapostle View Post

      Thanks Kenster for your post. I never knew about your site before but I think it is something I have been looking for and I think it will certainly help the person who posted this thread
      Yes, invite only now so if you or any other product vendor wish to join the FB group part of the site, you'll need to reach out to me. A simple PM here works, just keep in mind I don't check PMs daily.


      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Have an excellent product that's selling well and you won't have to find JVs, they'll find you.
      To a certain extent I agree but generally you'll still need to actively get affiliates on board the launch and do some prelaunch buzz stuff to get things going. So sort of a combination of both!
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Have an excellent product that's selling well and you won't have to find JVs, they'll find you.
    Problem is most products won't sell that well unless you have a lot of affiliates promoting in the first place. Despite the huge numbers of people on the various market places organic traffic tends to be very low and most sales are done by others promoting. You can obviously shift decent numbers of your own product if you have a big list but you should be able to sell your own product to your own fans so that's not really here nor there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      Problem is most products won't sell that well unless you have a lot of affiliates promoting in the first place. Despite the huge numbers of people on the various market places organic traffic tends to be very low and most sales are done by others promoting. You can obviously shift decent numbers of your own product if you have a big list but you should be able to sell your own product to your own fans so that's not really here nor there.

      Pretty true in many launch spaces and niches. Many of the huge launches are affiliate driven. Some sort of grow on their own but most require lots of sweat work in picking up affiliates...at least while you are new

      Building a list of 100 great target affiliates and then doing a lot of hustle and sweat work to get in contact goes a long way. It sucks a lot but those who want success bad enough...
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Have an excellent product that's selling well and you won't have to find JVs, they'll find you.
    Problem is most products won't sell that well unless you have a lot of affiliates promoting in the first place. Despite the huge numbers of people on the various market places organic traffic tends to be very low and most sales are done by others promoting. You can obviously shift decent numbers of your own product if you have a big list but you should be able to sell your own product to your own fans so that's not really here nor there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Agreed, if you want to shift lots of products you definitely have to track down the affiliates. Problem that a lot of newbies face is they have nothing to offer the affiliate in return. No track record of making products that sell, no big list to sell lots of copies of the affiliates products to, nothing. There's a lot of affiliates who won't even consider promoting something unless you're able to return the favour for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    muncheye and warriorjv for the forum... im sure there are others... nothing beats building a relationship personally with affiliates... a ton of work but definitely worth it
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by thedanbrown View Post

      muncheye and warriorjv for the forum... im sure there are others... nothing beats building a relationship personally with affiliates... a ton of work but definitely worth it

      Calendars and groups are good for exposure but without the support of true networking, they mean next to nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Marcoux
    I can jv with you. i have located all the resources needed for a successful jv. JV project is in my signature. I offer a 50/50 split profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author abrittpublishing
    Speaking of JVs, I have a list of 70,000 and three great products. (Self-Improvement, Male/Female Enhancer, and a Testosterone Product) I am open to partial mail outs as well so if you have a smaller list, don't hesitate to contact me.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    Hi Lexi,

    you said...

    Same thing goes for webinars. If you show someone a $15 DPL, I don't care who you are, what your list size is, or what kind of relationship you have with them, they'll schedule something with you if you present it the right way.

    Some of these guys don't care about your DPL. It's not always about the money. It is all about you mailing their offer to your list. If they ask how large your list is, Are you going to lie to them?

    In your answer you did not say that you had to do a reciprical mailing to your list. Just that the guy was nice enough to do it for the money.

    Best regards,
    Steve Yakim
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