What variables do you guys look for on a WSO sales page to believe it is good?

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I was reading a book by Jeffrey Ma. He is the inspiration for the movie 21, a movie about the MIT wiz kids who took the casinos for millions. The book was called "The House Advantage". It is a very good book, but the whole theme of it was how to use the past to predict the future.

I started thinking about how this works when it comes to buying WSOs. The goal is to look at the past, take stock of the variables a WSO sales page had that led to me liking the product(believing it would work and buying it).

I use this to develop what the book called a "Decision Frame". The "Decision Frame" is what I will use to determine if I will buy future WSOs.

I am sure we all have our criteria, so why not share them. What are the variables a WSO sales page had in the past that led to you liking it or believing it would really work for you? Lets use this to prevent newbies from falling for garbage. I will start by giving a few I look for.

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  • The WSO must be created by someone who contributes regularly to the forum in some way. (Not on the sales page, but I can look in their profile to see this).


  • The WSO must convey what method will be used to make money(no secret methods you will only find out about once you buy). If you walk away from the sales page not knowing what the premise is to make money this is not a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    I just look at the name, how long they have been here, how many known warriors review it, basically people who are actually here for the right reasons. I know they can't afford to pump out crap products because they will be called out and have a lot more to lose then someone with a new account. Then again I don't buy WSOs but if I did, that would be what I looked for.
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  • Profile picture of the author WordpressManiac
    I always check the number of posts the warrior has and of course if there are good reviews on the page.
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    • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
      Originally Posted by WordpressManiac View Post

      I always check the number of posts the warrior has and of course if there are good reviews on the page.
      In my opinion post count does NOT determine whether or not someone is selling a crappy product. A better way is to look at a member's prior posts and see if they ever offered anything of value in their posts. A person could post 1,000 times offering 0 value, likewise a person could post only 5 times per week, but offer pounds of value whenever they do choose to speak.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Malcolm Thomas View Post

        In my opinion post count does NOT determine whether or not someone is selling a crappy product. A better way is to look at a member's prior posts and see if they ever offered anything of value in their posts. A person could post 1,000 times offering 0 value, likewise a person could post only 5 times per week, but offer pounds of value whenever they do choose to speak.
        Likewise a person could offer pounds of value in every single post and still release a crap product. Looking at the value given in a members post is about just as relevant as looking at their post count. I've seen plenty of respected warriors release crap products and plenty of new warriors release great products. All of that stuff means nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Edk
    I study the seller's profile and I read the reviews. A few warriors seem to endorse any and everything almost. Those products obviously are devalued in my mind. Saying that, the only WSOs I buy have been recommended to me in a mailing, by marketers I really trust.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      My advice for buying WSOs:

      Turn your BS meter up to high, first of all. Ignore any screenshots or income claims as they don't matter one bit to you. Ignore any reviews unless you actually know who the person is, and then try PMing them to get their full opinion.

      Don't buy from Joe Blow with no track record outside the WSO section. Honestly, if I see something ONLY offered in the WSO section now, I don't even bother. If that's the only way they're making money, there's nothing they can teach me that I need to learn.

      If you're going to buy a method or system, then make damn sure that it's working for at least the seller. I understand not wanting to give out niches, as some say, but if someone wants me to believe their system is useful, I want to find some evidence that it's working for them.

      If you don't know the person outside the forum, then at least check them out on the forum. Where do their links go? What have they been talking about on the boards?

      Are they selling a great new traffic system, but last week posted a question about their lack of traffic? Don't laugh - I've seen similar situations many, many times.

      Use common sense. If it promises no work, then you KNOW it's a lie. You will never get paid to sit down to your desk and not DO something to make the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

    I am sure we all have our criteria, so why not share them.
    It has to be a subject that's of some possible interest/relevance to me in the first place, of course, and then these are my three main criteria ...
    • I don't buy anything (a WSO or anything else!) that makes any kind of express or implied income claim in the heading or sales post (fairly obvious and fundamental, of course!)
    • I don't buy anything without having heard of the vendor and checked out his interactions and apparent reputation here from his other, non-WSO posts
    • I don't buy anything without a couple of testimonials in the thread from respected Warriors who are known and trusted and have bought, paid for and actually used the product/service and comment on their results
    (And like plenty of others here, I won't buy video WSO's at all - only PDF's.)
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    • Profile picture of the author livo
      I always check if the reviews are by well respected Warriors!

      Do not take screenshots for granted and if it seems to good to be true it probably is.

      After all if every WSO did what they claim to do we would all be able to make plenty of money
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      • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
        I'm real strict when it comes to WSO's.

        The first thing I do is look at the dates it was posted.
        I then look at what it does to determine if it fits any of my needs.
        If it's unclear on what it does I scroll down to the price then watch the video.

        This is where things get tricky lol. For example say the author is selling a graphical piece of software and fails to show the actual software in the video then I know it's a piece of junk.

        Sometimes the author is really vague like not telling you their wso is local business, or selling physical items etc. That's when I do a search on the net and that means I will read any reviews from the web.

        As far as reviews by warriors are concerned if they are members of the war room and seem to give almost everyone the thumbs up regularly, I ignore them. If they are war room members who say they got a review copy I ignore them. If they say they just purchased and talk about how good the authors program was in the past and they will be back I ignore them until they actually review it.

        If the thread dies in a few days with the author not coming back to respond or answer questions. Then I assume that all the folks reviewing their product as friends or just sales people.

        I could go on and on about what I look for so, the best advice I can give you is always wait a few days and make sure they demonstrate that the product they are promoting does what they say it does.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    No way to predict the quality of a wso by the warrior's wso history or general WF history. A good contributor can still produce a mediocre product. (though I would be especially cautious of someone with a checkered WSO history.)

    I would say look for a money-back guarantee, so at least if it's not good, you're not stuck with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    Sometimes the author is really vague like not telling you their wso is local business, or selling physical items etc. That's when I do a search on the net and that means I will read any reviews from the web.
    This is one thing I was talking about. If you walk away not knowing what the method of making money is, then something is certainly up.
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  • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
    There is something interesting about reading all these answers. If you notice every single one of the answers assumes that the WSO is going to be some sort of informational product about making money online. I do WSO's for software not how to make money PDF's and stuff, and its a shame that more people dont actually follow the spirit of what a WSO is suppose to be. A WSO is suppose to be a special deal on a existing product that is offered to Warrior members. Many many of these so called WSO's are not this at all. There not special deals offered to Warrior members, because there not special deals, there products created specifically for the WSO section of this forum.

    Here is what I would do before I purchased anything from there:

    1) Ask the seller to link me to his website where he sells this product at the normal price. If he doesn't have one you know that this is a created for product not a special offer. That from the door hurts the sellers reputability.

    2) Ask the seller a question about the product, any question. This will give you an idea of what kind of support he is giving. If he takes a long time to answer (any question should be answered in 12 -24 hours at most) then that would be an indication that this is a made for product and not a real business with support hours etc.

    3) Any product that makes an income claim, I would skip, they cant know for sure what you will make so making an income statement is dishonest. Now if they say something like "Ill teach you how I made XXX" then thats one thing, but if they say "You will make XXX" thats just lame.
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  • Profile picture of the author Broyde
    I would also say that you should:
    Be clear about what you want the product you are getting to do.
    Ensure that there is a money back guarantee...or good reasons why no guarantee is being offered.
    Talk to other people who have used the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author natf
    Personally, I look for specifics about what the product does or teaches. If the sales page is vague with details, I skip it.

    If it's a seller who I've bought from before, that previous experience goes a long way towards making or breaking another sale.

    And if I haven't dealt with them before, I usually wait and see if any problems crop up. I've seen sellers get really defensive and even abusive when someone complains about a problem, even as simple as the delivery system not working, and it's always enlightening when that happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    I am, probably, among the few that don't visit that part of the forum.

    However, if I read a smart post by a WF member regarding a specific field of IM... and I notice the said member is really knowledgeable about her/his favourite topic, because they always post valuable content - and seeing a link in the sig that point to a WSO... I may check it out.

    But again, I buy only tools type offers, never "methods" to make money overnight.
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    Personally, I look for specifics about what the product does or teaches. If the sales page is vague with details, I skip it.

    If it's a seller who I've bought from before, that previous experience goes a long way towards making or breaking another sale.
    Do you give weight to sellers who have had lots of successful WSOs?
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Dennison
    I read the sales letter and get a sense of what the offer is about. If is vague with generalities on what is is "Not" but leaves me an empty feeling as to what it "Is" then I pass.

    If I'm still on the page, I look to see how responsive the author is in responding to questions and the tone of the answers. If the answer are defensive, or I get the sense that the author feels questions are an imposition on their time, then I also pass.

    But if the overall "feel" of the questions and answers are positive, then I will purchase the WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    Well, first off....... I only buy it if I need it now or believe I will need or use it in the future.

    I usually will try things out if they are not too expensive knowing I am taking a risk. But normally I will look to see who else has commented on the product. I am looking for negative comments about the product, the support/customer service.... etc. Comments about the product and how well it worked.

    I do my best to make sure those comments are made by people who have a reputation that is trusted on the Warrior Forum, whom I believe would not want to ruin their credibility by making false claims about a product.

    Hope that makes sense.....
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  • Profile picture of the author mialove
    Usually if the seller made a good product once, i will check his other products as well.
    If i bought a crap WSO, i will remember who sold it, and never buy from the seller again.

    I hate hype sells letters and i if i made a lot of mistakes in the beginning and bought a lot of crap - right now i feel that i can trust my intuition.
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    I hate hype sells letters and i if i made a lot of mistakes in the beginning and bought a lot of crap - right now i feel that i can trust my intuition.
    I remember my days of being an opportunity junky, where I would order work at homes programs from magazines. I lost thousands of dollars and now I know how to spot a real opportunity and how to spot hype.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    I don't buy very many WSOs in the first place. As I'm a software developer, I may purchase a software to test and see if it has any new ideas I can add to my software.

    I may purchase a product with some kind of resell rights that I can turn into income within a few hours after reviewing the product to see if it is worth reselling.

    The subject matter is very narrow for me and greatly resticts what I'm interested in.

    I look at WSOs at beeing very limited in content because you usually get what you pay for at insainly low prices.

    Another reason that I buy very few WSOs is because back in the day when I became a warrior, WSOs were only suppose to be discounted products for only warrior members. With platforms like JVZoo and Warrior Plus, anyone can purchase a WSO for the discounted price.

    There are very few existing products that are discounted for warriors, but products made just for a WSO.

    I hope this has been helpful,
    Steve Yakim
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