Take down 3 year old, unprofitable copywriting website?

I am positive it would have been fun had you posted this in The Copywriting Forum . Um, ooo, yeah.

I'm just curious...what did you spend hundreds of hours doing actually?

How come nobody buys from you?

Where do you advertise?

If you want to give it up, it is up to you, but don't regret when it can succeed in the hand of someone else. where is your traffic come from anyway? and don't just blame the copywriter, they work is meaningless without traffic. I suggest you to keep trying, looking for alternatives PAID traffic, adjust and evaluate where your traffic comes from.

Don't give up mate, PM me the link and let me see if I can help you out, one copywriter to another.

I think most copywriters get their gigs through networking. Have you tried that route instead of trying to get clients through SE?

Tanvir

I think it's kind of ironic that you try to sell copywriting and yet you haven't made a sale in 3 years.

Then again, 15 visitors a week is really, really low. You definitely have a traffic problem even if you don't have a copywriting problem.

Reach out to warriors who need your copywriting skill and do it for free. Build a following and show just what you can do. After a while you can charge for the service and move on from there. Once you have a following there will be many who will gladly pay for your service. The warrior forum is one of the most popular websites on the planet, so whatever you post here will most likely be seen by thousands of people. So approach things with a powerful attitude, for example, I will get you noticed, I will convert sales for you and I'll do it for free for the next month. Show your skill to to the world and do it for free for a little while. Once it is shown you can make things happen for people, you can charge for the service.

I hope this helps and I hope there is much success in your future,

mountain vision.

You're trolling right?

You have a copywriting website.

It doesn't get you any sales.

Instead of taking the blame for your lousy sales copy that doesn't convert... You say that other copywriters are liars because nobody can possibly make $1,000s selling copywriting services because you haven't been able to do it.

...

Well with that kind of logical thinking I'm sure you'll go far in this business.

I would outsource the SEO to start getting some traffic!
What the hell do you expect with 15 visitors a week. I be pissed If I was getting that in a day if I was you!

You do not know what you have until you test it ! What about a media buy? Or a solo add or some PPC .
I bet if you write a article a day and submit them to directory's after about 30 day's you should start to see some sales.

What have you been doing with the time you have invested in the site if you haven't been generating traffic?

That's a strange statement.

I wonder what kind of copywriting you're doing (if
you want to make real money as a copywriter you need
to make your clients real money..in other words do
direct response copywriting...there's no real money
in writing articles or filler).

It's also vitally important that you can write a really
good sales letter. Copywriters who write weak copy
rarely get hired at any kind of fee.

I can say I've never made any substantial money
off a website although it can be useful to build
credibility.

Clients who pay you the substantial fees
($5,000+) you need to build a personal relationship
with, get to know their businesses and come up with
strategies that demonstrate you know how to use copy
to help them make money.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

Why? I don't think I know any copywriters who've done that, at all.

You surely weren't intending to try to attract copywriting clients from search engines?!

Yet here you are, in the Warrior Forum, where the traffic comprises perhaps more potential copywriting clients all together in one place than anywhere else on the entire web, and you don't even have a link to the site in your signature-file?

I grant you that there are plenty of people around who are pretending to be copywriters (but they're pretty easily identified by anyone with any judgment at all), but real copywriters don't need to prove their incomes to anyone. They have a portfolio of work to show people, genuine testimonials, and regularly returning clients, and marketers are well aware that professional people with years of training and successful experience naturally command high fees for their work.

Please excuse the observation that - as others have rightly implied - there's something "not quite right" about this thread ...

There's so much I could say but I'll try to offer constructive comments only. You're your own worst enemy. The lines I've highlighted tell the whole story. Self defeating beliefs and sour grapes. There are some very mediocre copywriters out there that pull in $100k a year without much trouble. And they don't bust their butts with some silly SEO nonsense either.

Without seeing your site I'd have to say that the copy isn't up to snuff. Copywriting is salesmanship in print. Even with a modest 1% conversion rate you should be closing a sale every seven or eight days with 15 visitors a day.

Hire someone to make it profitable? You're kidding right? The people who make websites profitable have a name. It's copywriter.

I think you should take the site down and find something else to do. But until you change your attitude I'm afraid you'll have very similar results. Good luck.

Dump it and don't look back.

Clearly copywriting is not your gig and never will be.

Don't waste energy trying to justify why it worked or didn't...

...to yourself or others - just dump it and move forward.

Start offering your copywriting services in places where people are actually looking for copywriting such as the 'warrior for hire' and 'wso' section right here on Warrior Forum. There are tons of other IM / make money / SEO forums over the net with similar forums full of people looking for such services.

Success is measured in many different ways. Don't feel discouraged b/c you havent made any money from your site. You know adwords, you know some seo, ect ... you may have spent time and money but you are more knowledgeable now than you were 7 months ago. Granted I know how hard it is to truly believe in something and invest time & money with no results. But you do have results ... you are getting steady traffic just not creating sales.

I am sure you have seen that 99% of IM'ers never make a dime well that's mainly bc they get discouraged and quit. If you are truly serious about making this site work. Take the advice from the fellow warriors offering it to you. It took me well over 2 years to start making any "serious" money and by serious I mean $500 a month or so. That's mainly bc I quit and tried so many different projects.

You can make this work and you can be successful. WF and other IM forums are great places to find people who need copy-writing skills b/c either they dont know English very well or simply can't write intriguing stuff. Make some post, provide some examples, and keep at it - stop adwords and seo its not working for you. It's not you nor your website its your marketing efforts. All business's change over time, maybe its time yours changed for the better

15 visitors or 60 visitors / month is to low...


try build more traffics first before trying to think about selling anything...

Why not post a link to your site and maybe you'll get some constructive criticism on how to tune it up.

Maybe I'll make you an offer to buy it.

If you ever do take my advice to start advertising your services on here or other forums there's absolutely no way I'd hire you because your attitude is terrible.

Hi NeverTooLate:

I know that doing CW is not easy. Yeah, it is hard work for me. First, I have to really believe in the product or the service. Otherwise, I cannot sell it. This medium depends on strong passion.

People often think of themselves as an evangelist that is preaching the virtues of the product they are promoting on a web page. Hard to sell something unless you are a true believer in the item you want to promote. I have found a lot of people will respond to what feels real and not all that marketing crap.

Try to sell a product that you really believe in. Be honest with your customers need and they will respond to you. Remember, truth has a certain ring.

What did you do, and why didn't it work? Where are your visitors dropping off your site?

Seems to me that you need to hire someone to do the SEO for your site (if that's the route that you're heading) If you're trying to compete on a standard buy my copywriting services SEO, you will find it very hard. You need a unique twist.

Have you tried selling your services on Warriors for Hire? That should get your a reputation, then ask for testimonials on your site.

If not, you could try some PPC to drive traffic at it. If you're a good copywriter, you should easily be able to convince someone to make a sale?

PM me, maybe I can help?

@NeverTooLate -- I hope you aren't trying to target a wide audience, since you obviously aren't great at ranking. i.e. Are you trying to rank for something "sales page copywriter" or are you trying to rank for "Denver health copywriter"?

I used to have a site that ranked in top 10 consistently for freelance writer/copywriter for a certain city. Feel free to PM me if you'd like.

@NeverTooLate -- There are plenty copywriters who make $xxxx per month. But you have to be willing to network OR rank your site (assuming the site's copywriting *by you* converts). Networking is golden. You don't have to go to local meetings and schmooze people. What are you doing on LinkedIn? What is your specialty? A niche? Long sale pages? Brochures? Squeeze pages?

What are YOU best at? And what are you doing to show people that other than that site?

Ok, so you haven't done much copywriting yourself, you think the industry is full of fakers, networking makes you uncomfortable.

I don't think this business is for you. Networking is THE skill you need in ANY business, let alone copywriting. I'm yet to see a successful businessperson who didn't have a good network of 'business friends'.

As for fakers, there are plenty - in every field. If you aren't one, then good on you. You don't need to go to someone's house to find out if they're earning what they claim they are - I haven't been to your house to see if you actually are like what you claim you are.

And I don't need to be. I would make a decision based on what I see. If some copywriter comes across as flaky, I stay away. It's about perception based on what you see.

Personally, I think if you can't respect a profession, you shouldn't be doing it.

Sagar

I can see how you failed. You want to be a copywriter,but, you like nothing about a copywriters life. You don't like the ads, you think face to face sales are scummy. You have a disdain for their work. Lastly, you hate the copywriter in the copywriters section of the forum, so, you can't even go their and read the threads to learn how to sell your services to be a better copywriter.

My advice is to write down what you are willing to do and what you want your life like and then brainstorm a business model that is for you. Copywriting isn't for you unless you are willing to have a shift in thinking.