Best way to upload large amounts of mp3 and let users download?

12 years ago

Useless questions... unless you provide concrete data:
- storage place in your hosting account
- size of the videos (MB)
- how many videos
- ask you host

Furthermore: if in a player... people do NOT download but watch it online (streaming). If they are for download, compress them into .zip files.

You may not run out of space, physically, but if you are on a shared server, and you will have lots of people downloading them - they will kick you out for using too much resources.

Not a good plan...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Useless questions... unless you provide concrete data:
- storage place in your hosting account
- size of the videos (MB)
- how many videos
- ask you host

Furthermore: if in a player... people do NOT download but watch it online (streaming). If they are for download, compress them into .zip files.

You may not run out of space, physically, but if you are on a shared server, and you will have lots of people downloading them - they will kick you out for using too much resources.

Not a good plan...

Lol ok let me explain a little better dont get all pissy on me haha.

I plan to offer people membership to my site and they should be able to browse through a large selection of mp3 files, stream them, and if they like them, download them.

What is the best way to integrate a streaming player with download option, in a secure way that jives with s2 member? I'm about to watch their video on download security or whatever but I don't think it will exactly answer my question.

The mp3 files are probably about...4-8MB in size and I plan to have over a hundred pretty quickly...aiming to eventually get in to the thousands.

Im looking for free solutions right now, theres gotta be some out there even if it's just for a little while

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Michael Ten

12 years ago

Maybe look into utilizing a premium SoundCloud account. That might suit your needs.

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Istvan Horvath

12 years ago

Im looking for free solutions right no

Then you are a hobbyist, not starting a business.

Next, the normal way of doing this is this: FIRST you watch the instructional videos about the tool you are planning to use; practice as you go along and learn the freaking thing... and THEN, if you still have questions, you may ask here.

Personally, I have noting with you, only with lazy people who expect me/us to do the legwork for them!

As far as I know there is no shared host that will allow you to store + download + stream hundreds or thousands of videos.... Get real

Playing a video and downloading video... usually are two different things, never seen videos for download through a player. But you may know better if you have hundreds of videos in your portfolio

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Then you are a hobbyist, not starting a business.

Next, the normal way of doing this is this: FIRST you watch the instructional videos about the tool you are planning to use; practice as you go along and learn the freaking thing... and THEN, if you still have questions, you may ask here.

Personally, I have noting with you, only with lazy people who expect me/us to do the legwork for them!

As far as I know there is no shared host that will allow you to store + download + stream hundreds or thousands of videos.... Get real

Playing a video and downloading video... usually are two different things, never seen videos for download through a player. But you may know better if you have hundreds of videos in your portfolio

there is most definitely a way for me to find out how to allow members access to a certain part of my site with streaming mp3 + download.

Im having trouble, looking for someone to tell me maybe exact terms to search for because my search terms arent bringing up anything.

Obviously you cant tell me shit except to sit and cry about how you dont like this and you dont like that.
I said mp3 not video it's different

oh yeah by the way....my hosting account has unlimited space I'm good to go

anyone else care to chime in? Maybe someone who can tell me what exactly it even would be called that I'm looking to do so I can type in to google?

Im using s2 member, and I have the certain page of my site where the mp3 and content will be protected already. I already have a process for users to pay to sign up, and register for a name and password and such.

All I need to do is get all my mp3's up for stream and download

and im ready to start promoting and getting real customers by building real relationships not selling dreams or some retarded mmo shit

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12 years ago

I got it to where I have a page that's protected on my site where I can offer the mp3's for download now. I have it set up for 6 month access and 1 year access.

I have managed to upload some mp3's to my directory, and link to them through s2 member's protection method. Now I just have to figure out how I can get them streaming and protected at the same time.

I also have it set up to where someone can register for free, see all the mp3's but can only download one. any other attempt to download leads to membership paypal buttons.

I just need to get my page 1 sales page up and i'll be rockin and rollin as soon as I can figure this mp3 situation out and then write some basic IM content for musicians

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John Romaine

12 years ago

Amazon S3.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Amazon S3.

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About how much is that gonna cost me a month though?

And also there IS a way to have the files stream AND download with s3?

I see the tutorial for it, but I haven't watched it cause I saw that s3 was pay.

Like I said, I already am getting links up on my site available for download, exactly how I want them, protected and all.

Now I just need to figure out how to get them as streaming players ALSO available for download

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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by New Comer

About how much is that gonna cost me a month though?

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Originally Posted by New Comer

And also there IS a way to have the files stream AND download with s3?

I see the tutorial for it, but I haven't watched it cause I saw that s3 was pay.

Like I said, I already am getting links up on my site available for download, exactly how I want them, protected and all.

Now I just need to figure out how to get them as streaming players ALSO available for download

Trust me. Do not host the files on your own server. Use an external service. You need a paid external service to host these files for you. If you are on any type of shared server then you'll start chewing up too many server resources and get closed down if you are hosting all the files from the server.

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WillR

12 years ago

I have a members site that has thousands of mp3 files in it for users to download.

All of my files are hosted using Amazon S3 and I've never had any issues.

There is no way you can host all those files on your own server and expect any kind of decent and reliable usability for your users. You must host the files on an external CDN network.

Obviously make sure you protect all of the files as well.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

I have a members site that has thousands of mp3 files in it for users to download.

All of my files are hosted using Amazon S3 and I've never had any issues.

There is no way you can host all those files on your own server and expect any kind of decent and reliable usability for your users. You must host the files on an external CDN network.

Obviously make sure you protect all of the files as well.

Looks like s3 it is then.

Seems like they have an already planned out way to integrate and protect it with s2 member too. Im just gonna sign up and i'll have to make the money to cover it from the site. From what I've read it doesn't seem that expensive.

I need it to be as easy to use as possible....I think I'm gonna take a nap and then get back to it lol

I realize it's going to cost cents now too.

Looks like s3 it is then

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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by New Comer

Looks like s3 it is then.

Seems like they have an already planned out way to integrate and protect it with s2 member too.

Yes. As for their pricing, Amazon S3's pricing is VERY fair and reasonable... and you only pay for what you use.

In regards to your other question, the mp3 files you host on Amazon S3 can be downloaded and/or streamed. In my members area I would always have short samples of certain tracks in an audio player and then I would have all of the actual tracks for download as mp3 files. All of those files were hosted on Amazon S3.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Yes. As for their pricing, Amazon S3's pricing is VERY fair and reasonable... and you only pay for what you use.

In regards to your other question, the mp3 files you host on Amazon S3 can be downloaded and/or streamed. In my members area I would always have short samples of certain tracks in an audio player and then I would have all of the actual tracks for download as mp3 files. All of those files were hosted on Amazon S3.

I think I'll just allow users to stream the whole file for ease on myself...any problem with doing that?

I'm getting excited. I'm not doing anything TOO new but I'm basically copying a proven method and I'm excited. I'm sure I'll have to do a lot of testing and learning but we'll see what's good

Forgive my newbiness everyone I'm not trying to be a total lazy ass, but at the same time it's nice to just get input like that.

I mean shoot I've gotten pretty far I'm proud of my site. It's no prettiest site in the word award winner so far, but that's not the point.

I've never built a website so complicated even if it is pretty simple....heh!

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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by New Comer

I think I'll just allow users to stream the whole file for ease on myself...any problem with doing that?

I'm getting excited. I'm not doing anything TOO new but I'm basically copying a proven method and I'm excited. I'm sure I'll have to do a lot of testing and learning but we'll see what's good

Forgive my newbiness everyone I'm not trying to be a total lazy ass, but at the same time it's nice to just get input like that.

I mean shoot I've gotten pretty far I'm proud of my site. It's no prettiest site in the word award winner so far, but that's not the point.

I've never built a website so complicated even if it is pretty simple....heh!

Questions are fine -- it's how we all learnt.

I'm not sure exactly what content your site offers or how it works so I'm not sure if streaming or downloading is best for you.

I will just point out a few things for you.

1. Allowing streaming vs downloading will not stop anyone from copying and sharing those files if they want to. They can do that regardless. So if the only reason you were doing streaming as opposed to downloading was because of that, then it's not really an advantage.

2. If you allow people to stream files then you get charged a download everytime that person streams the file.

If you instead allow people to download the files, they download them once to their computer and that's all you pay for. They can then play those files as many times as they want.

My site always used the download option. People were paying for access to these mp3 files and so I wanted to allow them to download the files and use them as and when they wanted to. It also means much smaller costs for me than if I had people streaming the same files over and over again.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Questions are fine -- it's how we all learnt.

I'm not sure exactly what content your site offers or how it works so I'm not sure if streaming or downloading is best for you.

I will just point out a few things for you.

1. Allowing streaming vs downloading will not stop anyone from copying and sharing those files if they want to. They can do that regardless. So if the only reason you were doing streaming as opposed to downloading was because of that, then it's not really an advantage.

2. If you allow people to stream files then you get charged a download everytime that person streams the file.

If you instead allow people to download the files, they download them once to their computer and that's all you pay for. They can then play those files as many times as they want.

My site always used the download option. People were paying for access to these mp3 files and so I wanted to allow them to download the files and use them as and when they wanted to. It also means much smaller costs for me than if I had people streaming the same files over and over again.

oh wow, i didn't know they charged per stream thats pretty lame

I hope members wont mind downloading beats and just saving them without hearing them first

I didn't know there would be such a cost with a site like this.

Basically I'm going to offer rappers access to my library of custom made beats, to be updated monthly (if not more, not sure how to go about marketing that, what Im allowed to say and what not)

and also they will have access to either download or read on site articles I put together about using basic IM techniques to market yourself as a music artist to gain more fans.. I'm going to have to really sell but basically I'm a music producer who likes to make rap beats, and instead of trying to charge per lease I'm basically charging members a blanket fee and giving them access to my beat library on a non exclusive basis

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WillR

12 years ago

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oh wow, i didn't know they charged per stream thats pretty lame

Amazon S3 charges per piece of data downloaded. Everytime someone streams a file from your site they are in essence downloading that file whilst it is playing. So if people come back and stream the same files over and over, it is like them downloading that file over and over from your site. That's the same with any type of storage. That's why hosting these files on your own regular hosting would be a nightmare if you allowed streaming because it just chews up the bandwidth and resources.

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I hope members wont mind downloading beats and just saving them without hearing them first

They can still hear them first. Just provide a short streamed or downloadable sample of each track. It need only be 10 seconds long -- just enough for them to know what the track sounds like. Then let them download the full version if they want it. It's going to be much better than letting them stream the full version of every track OR only letting them download without previewing because then people will be downloading a heap of tracks they don't necessarily want or need and you would be paying for all those downloads.

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I didn't know there would be such a cost with a site like this.

The costs of a service like Amazon S3 is VERY reasonable. If you look at their pricing you will see they charge just $0.12 per GB of downloads. So let's say you had mp3 tracks that were about 2.5MB in size. That means every 400 times a track was downloaded it would cost you only $0.12. So if your average MP3 files was 2.5MB and a member downloaded 400 of those tracks, it would cost you only $0.12. That's very reasonable pricing (I think) when you factor in the added reliability and better usability hosting your files on Amazon S3 will provide both you and your customers.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Amazon S3 charges per piece of data downloaded. Everytime someone streams a file from your site they are in essence downloading that file whilst it is playing. So if people come back and stream the same files over and over, it is like them downloading that file over and over from your site. That's the same with any type of storage. That's why hosting these files on your own regular hosting would be a nightmare if you allowed streaming because it just chews up the bandwidth and resources.

They can still hear them first. Just provide a short streamed or downloadable sample of each track. It need only be 10 seconds long -- just enough for them to know what the track sounds like. Then let them download the full version if they want it. It's going to be much better than letting the stream the full version of every track OR only letting them download without previewing because then people will be downloading a heap of tracks they don't necessarily want or need and you would be paying for all those downloads.

The costs of a service like Amazon S3 is VERY reasonable. If you look at their pricing you will see they charge just $0.12 per GB of downloads. So let's say you had mp3 tracks that were about 2.5MB in size. That means every 400 times a track was downloaded it would cost you only $0.12. So if your average MP3 files was 2.5MB and a member downloaded 400 of those tracks, it would cost you only $0.12. That's very reasonable pricing (I think) when you factor in the added reliability and better usability hosting your files on Amazon S3 will provide both you and your customers.

Yeah it's fair enough, seems like the best solution. I'm working on learning how to use s3, and getting it set up and integrated now. Gonna have a lot of uploading and preview track making to do, but hey once it's done it's done and the sooner I get finished the sooner I can put together the sales presentation and start selling!

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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by New Comer

Yeah it's fair enough, seems like the best solution. I'm working on learning how to use s3, and getting it set up and integrated now. Gonna have a lot of uploading and preview track making to do, but hey once it's done it's done and the sooner I get finished the sooner I can put together the sales presentation and start selling!

I know the feeling. Back in the day I had to hand create and export 4,000+ mp3 tracks for my members area. I then had to upload them all, create and secure the download links, etc. It's a lot of work, that's for sure. I spent weeks on that.

My recommendation would be to test things on a much smaller scale before you go through all of that work.

Unless you have tested things and are sure people will pay for these tracks, you don't want to waste too much time on that technical side of things. My site flopped for that very reason. I hadn't done the research and actual testing. I just assumed people would want to pay for the tracks and in the end people loved downloading them for free, but it just wasn't something they were willing to pay for.

So learn from my own mistakes.

Test things small and scale up from there. Get a much smaller version of your members area up and running with a much smaller number of tracks and a much smaller membership fee. Don't focus on making money with this, just focus on recovering your costs only and getting feedback from these users. See if you can get people into that members area and paying for it. This also allows you to test things and make sure it all works as you want it to before scaling it up. If you can't get people using and paying for a smaller version then it's highly unlikely a larger version would be any different. So don't waste all that time until you have proof it will work for you.

That's my opinion for what it's worth. Speaking from experience.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

I know the feeling. Back in the day I had to hand create and export 4,000+ mp3 tracks for my members area. I then had to upload them all, create and secure the download links, etc. It's a lot of work, that's for sure. I spent weeks on that.

My recommendation would be to test things on a much smaller scale before you go through all of that work.

Unless you have tested things and are sure people will pay for these tracks, you don't want to waste too much time on that technical side of things. My site flopped for that very reason. I hadn't done the research and actual testing. I just assumed people would want to pay for the tracks and in the end people loved downloading them for free, but it just wasn't something they were willing to pay for.

So learn from my own mistakes.

Test things small and scale up from there. Get a much smaller version of your members area up and running with a much smaller number of tracks and a much smaller membership fee. Don't focus on making money with this, just focus on recovering your costs only and getting feedback from these users. See if you can get people into that members area and paying for it. This also allows you to test things and make sure it all works as you want it to before scaling it up. If you can't get people using and paying for a smaller version then it's highly unlikely a larger version would be any different. So don't waste all that time until you have proof it will work for you.

That's my opinion for what it's worth. Speaking from experience.

yeah I don't have that many tracks to start and already have somewhat of a "following"

I have an ok list and a few people have leased individual tracks from me before. I'm going with 1 yr and 6 month memberships with a promise of new beats monthly, and access to a "promote your music online" course.

The course is gonna be a "free bonus" or "added value"

Gonna try and really spice up the sales page. Then just talk to as many rappers as I can on a one on one level. Let them know I'm the owner and what they'll get and that I'm easily reachable, etc. I'll basically be like a personal producer for DIRT cheap.

Eventually get a really nice sales video and integrate some affiliate marketing.

People who like to upload videos of them gaming/doing other stuff and need royalty free background music could also use the site.

We'll have to see what happens once I get a good number of my tracks up lol

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kpmedia

12 years ago

If the site is low-traffic, it'll be fine a good unlimited host.
Just avoid the known bad ones: 1&1, Godaddy, the 45+ EIG brands, etc.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by kpmedia

If the site is low-traffic, it'll be fine a good unlimited host.
Just avoid the known bad ones: 1&1, Godaddy, the 45+ EIG brands, etc.

Im on hostgator.

Having trouble getting s3 cloudfront integrated. I can get s3 to work fine for downloads, but not cloudfront.

Getting this error a lot of people seemed to get and it seems to be a little technical to work around it. I'd love to conquer it but I'm thinking that I may just use s3 for file downloads, and upload the 10 second snippets to youtube with a link back to my site.

This would also be a great traffic generator, I think.

It may look kind of clunky on site though that's the only thing.....a 10 second youtube video with the download link underneath? idkkkk lol

that does have the potential to be excellent marketing and traffic source though

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and upload the 10 second snippets to youtube

This is basically what I do and it doesn't look bad at all. You must have posted this right before I clicked Submit Reply myself.
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  Originally Posted by Nathan Bumstead
  
  This is basically what I do and it doesn't look bad at all. You must have posted this right before I clicked Submit Reply myself.
  
  Ok cool I just posted another thread about this I'm on a rampage I hope the mods don't get pissed at me, I'm just trying to launch ASAP (while still maintaining good quality control of course)
  
  and AWS CloudFront is being a pain in the ass.
  
  I really think this youtube method will drive so much more free traffic to my sales page too if I link in the picture and description.
  
  I just gotta figure out how to embed smaller YT players on my wordpress page where my content is, but that should be nothing.
  
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12 years ago

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Im on hostgator.

HG is an EIG brand -- i.e., not very good.

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Originally Posted by kpmedia

HG is an EIG brand -- i.e., not very good.

They've been great to me so far. When I become a guru I'll worry about better hosting.

Site is coming along fine! Got youtube previews above protected download links, and the youtube videos should drive a lot of traffic If i put all the right keywords and such.

Right now I'm looking at setting up the sales page, download limit for free user exceeded page, and then just launching and getting the first signups!

Also got some music marketing content I need to write up. Long hours ahead of me, but if I put in all this work NOW, I can set and forget later!
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by kpmedia

HG is an EIG brand -- i.e., not very good.

Lol you should really do some research before making posts like that. What you obviously wanted was for him to click the link in your signature since you're commenting about choosing a hosting company. Second, you said that HostGator isn't good because it's an EIG brand. Third, on your list of best of web hosting companies listed in your signature you have "A Small Orange" listed as the 4th best overall, and it's an EIG company too.

So, if HostGator isn't good because it's an EIG company, why do you think ASO is good enough to be listed #4?

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kpmedia

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chase Watts

you said that HostGator isn't good because it's an EIG brand. Third, on your list of best of web hosting companies listed in your signature you have "A Small Orange" listed as the 4th best overall, and it's an EIG company too. So, if HostGator isn't good because it's an EIG company, why do you think ASO is good enough to be listed #4?

HostGator was sold to Endurance International in summer 2012. At the time, Brent did not sell his stake in ASO. A Small Orange was not owned by EIG until recently, it seems. That'll be rectified today. What a shame that Brent et al sold that, too. Another good brand into the toilet.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by kpmedia

HostGator was sold to Endurance International in summer 2012. At the time, Brent did not sell his stake in ASO. A Small Orange was not owned by EIG until recently, it seems. That'll be rectified today. What a shame that Brent et al sold that, too. Another good brand into the toilet.

If there is something I have learnt it is to always take the recommendations offered by people with websites such as the one in your signature, with a grain of salt.

What, Hostgator don't pay you enough affiliate commissions?

Sorry, but when you are monetizing your recommendations it taints them in my opinion. I have used Hostgator for about 8+ years, both shared servers and dedicated servers and could not be happier with them. So don't go around spreading crap just so people click a link in your signature.

Hostgator are good and I make NO money telling people that. It's based on real life experience, not affiliate commissions.

It's funny how we only ever see you guys show your faces in a hosting thread where you always try and cause a little controversy to get people to click on your signature link.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

If there is something I have learnt it is to always take the recommendations offered by people with websites such as the one in your signature, with a grain of salt.

What, Hostgator don't pay you enough affiliate commissions?

Sorry, but when you are monetizing your recommendations it taints them in my opinion. I have used Hostgator for about 8+ years, both shared servers and dedicated servers and could not be happier with them. So don't go around spreading crap just so people click a link in your signature.

Hostgator are good and I make NO money telling people that. It's based on real life experience, not affiliate commissions.

I've been EXTREMELY happy with HG.

Customer support is EXCELLENT

and when I was about to give up and cancel they told me to keep trying and that they wanted to give me a free month to keep me around and help me out.

I mean it's just a customer retention strategy 1 free month is nothing to them, but still. Made me feel appreciated, and definitely got me wanting to stick with HG.

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kpmedia

12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

What, Hostgator don't pay you enough affiliate commissions?

They offer $100. But I don't care about that. I'm not suggesting HG regardless of what they pay. I wish to help others. If the better suggestions pays $10, $25 -- $0 -- that's fine. I'm tired of seeing others use $hitty hosts simply because it's on a fake "top 10" list that shows 8+ EIG brands (at $80+ each), and 1-2 other stinkers (Godady, 1&1, Yahoo, etc). That's terrible. I've been online since 1993, and have used many hosts in my day. I can share that wisdom with others.

If you want to see ulterior motives and conspiracies, that's on you.

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FAQ: Need a Site5/Arvixe/Hostgator alternative? And who is EIG?
Reviews: Need a good VPS, dedicated server, or unlimited host? (This is NOT a fake "top 10" list!)

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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by kpmedia

They offer $100. But I don't care about that. I'm not suggesting HG regardless of what they pay. I wish to help others. If the better suggestions pays $10, $25 -- $0 -- that's fine. I'm tired of seeing others use hosts simply because it's on a fake "top 10" list that shows 8+ EIG brands (at $80+ each), and 1-2 other stinkers (Godady, 1&1, Yahoo, etc). That's terrible. I've been online since 1993, and have used many hosts in my day. I can share that wisdom with others.

If you want to see ulterior motives and conspiracies, that's on you.

At the end of the day your page of hosting recommendations means nothing besides your own opinion. That is all they are, YOUR opinion and nothing else. One single persons opinion. So is your opinion more valid than mine or the next persons? No.

As I said, I have used Hostgator for years and have never had an issue with them. I would happily recommend them to others. You will also find a lot of other people, such as the poster above, who are more than happy to recommend them as well. You may have had a bad experience with them, who knows. But again that is just ONE opinion and when compared to the tons of people who do actually use and recommend them, it pales in comparison.

We don't need to create a site about it though. My recommendation comes free of charge but as noted above, it's just my recommendation... as is yours.

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Nathan Bumstead

12 years ago

I have used Vimeo to stream audio on my website. But wait - Vimeo is for video! No problem, I just mixed the mp3 with a static graphic image of "MP3". When I embed the video, I only do like 100x100 pixels. It creates little boxes for users to happily click on. Looks good and people have no idea they are streaming a tiny video instead of an audio.

For content delivery I used MediaFire. Just upload the real mp3. A membership of like $1 a month or something will get rid of all the advertisements when a customer wants to download.

Fast and easy. Works great for me. I read through your situation above, but not sure if it will work for you?

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kpmedia

12 years ago

It's actually the mutual advice of several experienced people -- not just me.
Feel free to use it or not.
Again, it's there to help others. It's not about money.

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