Is this option available with major auto-responders?

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Today I was building a list with paid traffic and noticed, that half of the people didn't confirm. I have always been a double optin guy, but now having doubts.

Is there a major auto-responer like GetResponse that gives the option to have everyone optin, even if they don't confirm, because I know Aweber doesn't, and alot of money goes to waste when they don't all confirm.

I know there is a GR warrior here somewhere, I'd like to hear his opinion on this. Maybe even have an option to broadcast just to the double or single optins or both at the same time?

Like most people I don't like seeing non-confirms optins just taking up space, especially when Aweber does not allow you remove them for 30 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

    Is there a major auto-responer like GetResponse that gives the option to have everyone optin, even if they don't confirm, because I know Aweber doesn't, and alot of money goes to waste when they don't all confirm.
    Aweber does. The single opt-in is in the list setup options.

    Daniel
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      Aweber does. The single opt-in is in the list setup options.

      Daniel

      I know that option is available. My English is terrible so let me ask my question again. Is there a major AR that allows you to keep both single and double optins, even if some don't confirm? Like a double+single optin option for example.

      I like the piece of mind of double optins, but want to be able to keep single optins also. IMer's know what double optins are, but when you target SE and PPC traffic, alot of people have no idea what a double optin is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    Aweber allows you to switch to single optin if that is what you are asking about
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    I know with some a/r's like Constant Contact you can let every one "single opt-in" without a confirmation but you can add a link at the top of each email that says 'you are not confirmed, click here to guarantee delivery by confirming your email address'...

    This might be something you could consider...

    Cheers,
    Coby
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    Erm why not use single optin as you did not force them to opt in to your list and they willingly join your list. I doubt there is an autoresponder that has the function where you have double opt in but still allow to keep those that did not confirm.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewStark
    What confirm page are you using? If you create a specific page where you introduce yourself on video and tell people what to do next the double opt-in rate will improve.

    here's the page I made
    Mystery Bonus

    Also you have to look at the quality of email address not being confirmed. It could be that the traffic you're buying is just smart bots which will fill in a form but never confirm.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    Hey Alex,

    aWeber does allow single opt-in. Its on the list settings page I think.

    I can't see how that would work - that if you confirm then you're confirmed, otherwise you're confirmed? Makes the double opt-in surplus to requirements doesn't it?

    Is there a reason for them not confirming? That they 'cooled off' on your offer very quickly, or that your confirmation e-mail didn't get delivered quickly enough?
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    I doubt there is an autoresponder that has the function where you have double opt in but still allow to keep those that did not confirm.
    arpReach does as part of its aim to give you total control over the subscription and confirmation process.

    Cheers,

    Neil
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Yes, I'm not really sure what you mean.

    You want to have single options and double optins who don't confirm as well?

    They are known as single optins.

    Just use single optins. No need for double optins nowadays.

    Just make it clear on the squeeze page that the freebie will be delivered by email so people are more likely to enter their real email address.

    Originally Posted by AndrewStark View Post

    here's the page I made
    Mystery Bonus
    Although I do recommend using a video, I wouldn't recommend a page similar to this. There are far too many distractions on that page. Too many options for people to click elsewhere and not look at the video. For a confirm page like that to work well it needs to be a blank page with only the confirm instructions/video on it -- nothing else. You only want your page to do ONE thing. Get them to go to their inbox and confirm. Remove everything else that has nothing to do with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
      Hi Alex,

      Yes, you have the option to request that your list be set to single opt-in. If it's a double opt-in campaign then of course, they must confirm for you to add them. For more information about how to set a campaign to single optin, drop by our support site and speak to us or drop me a PM. Happy to answer your questions anytime.

      Regards,
      jim
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  • Profile picture of the author Luis Vaugier
    Yes, you can do it single optin, I have some webforms like that but you are going to get more spam claims if you don't double optin
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I know with some a/r's like Constant Contact you can let every one "single opt-in" without a confirmation but you can add a link at the top of each email that says 'you are not confirmed, click here to guarantee delivery by confirming your email address'...
    This sounds pretty good, that way I can keep both.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Yes, I'm not really sure what you mean.

    You want to have single options and double optins who don't confirm as well?

    They are known as single optins.

    Just use single optins. No need for double optins nowadays.
    I meant where you can set up the AR as double option, and the few that don't confirm, you can still email them, instead of having them as confirmation pending and deleted in 30 days.

    I think you maybe right, there is no need for double optins anymore. Would be nice to have the option to have them confirm or not, but guess I will be going with single optin when I am using PPC traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      I meant where you can set up the AR as double option, and the few that don't confirm, you can still email them, instead of having them as confirmation pending and deleted in 30 days.
      That still doesn't make sense to me.

      The purpose of having double optin is so people confirm their email. If you still want to be able to email those who do not confirm, then just use single optin. What do you set out to achieve by using double optin instead?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        That still doesn't make sense to me.

        The purpose of having double optin is so people confirm their email. If you still want to be able to email those who do not confirm, then just use single optin. What do you set out to achieve by using double optin instead?
        I prefer to have the double optin, but don't want to lose the ones that didn't confirm. Peace of mind of having the double optin I guess, but like you said double optins may not be needed nowadays. I think I may go the route of single instead.
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        • Profile picture of the author WillR
          Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

          I prefer to have the double optin, but don't want to lose the ones that didn't confirm. Peace of mind of having the double optin I guess, but like you said double optins may not be needed nowadays. I think I may go the route of single instead.
          I kind of understand what you are getting at but it's really a case of you wanting to have your cake and eat it too. From what I understand you are basically wanting the best of both worlds. You are wanting to have double optin enabled, but then also be able to email those who do not confirm their email address. It doesn't work that way.

          What you need to understand is that most autoresponder companies will send emails from double optin lists and single optin lists on different servers. Obviously there is a higher risk associated with single optin lists and so they will send them on certain servers, different to those used by double optin lists. This is to protect the open rates and deliverability of the double optin lists.

          So you really must choose one or the other.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Hi Alex,

    Yes, you have the option to request that your list be set to single opt-in. If it's a double opt-in campaign then of course, they must confirm for you to add them. For more information about how to set a campaign to single optin, drop by our support site and speak to us or drop me a PM. Happy to answer your questions anytime.

    Regards,
    jim
    Ah, you're the guy I was hoping to find this thread. Would this be an option that GR would consider in the future Where you can set it up as a double optin list, and still be able to email the one's that didn't confirm?
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    • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      Ah, you're the guy I was hoping to find this thread. Would this be an option that GR would consider in the future Where you can set it up as a double optin list, and still be able to email the one's that didn't confirm?
      That's me! I sent you a PM.

      Regards,
      jim
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Is there a reason for them not confirming? That they 'cooled off' on your offer very quickly, or that your confirmation e-mail didn't get delivered quickly enough?
    You hit the nail on the head, I think that is the main reason why people don't confirm, the confirmation email takes atleast a minute to arrive and sometimes even 2-3 minutes. When they subscribe, Aweber tells them to check their email now to confirm and the email is almost always never there.

    Every time I test a list, the confirm email is never there till atleast a minute after, people refresh a few times, then move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I kind of understand what you are getting at but it's really a case of you wanting to have your cake and eat it too. From
    Lol, that is pretty much it

    What you need to understand is that most autoresponder companies will send emails from double optin lists and single optin lists on different servers. Obviously there is a higher risk associated with single optin lists and so they will send them on certain servers, different to those used by double optin lists.
    Never thought about it that way, makes alot of sense to me now.
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