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14 years ago

Thanks for sharing that, I will take a look now

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clever7

14 years ago

Squidoo will lock the lenses that don’t have original content until the lensmaster will write something that won't be a repetition of what was already published before.

They send a warning to the Giant Squids about this matter a few days ago.

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bhartzer

14 years ago

You mean Squidoo is cracking down on duplicate content just now? Seems as though they should have done that a year ago.

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14 years ago

This should be a quest in your account:

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Green Moon

14 years ago

Thanks for the link to the blog post. I view that as GOOD NEWS, both for Squidoo and for the lendmasters who create good quality lenses.

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Claire Koch

14 years ago

Wow now that blows my mind how in the world can you miss pot pie girl. The originator of the post addresses squidoo gurus and people who only use squidoo and that is funny because nobody should exclusively use squidoo.

Squidoo does this all the time with no regard to the hard work people put into their lenses.

If you rely on squidoo you are taking a HUGE CHANCE. Squidoo lays out the rules but doesn't adhere to them themselves.

And Squidoo has the crackdowns periodically when Google doesn't pay them homage. It's the BIG G Squidoo cares about NOT YOU.

Try following the rules when a new crackdown changes a few lines of the rules.

Start your own site folks or make sure you don't count completely on any free platform.

Its super important for you all to know free means free. They owe you nothing.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Yes, it strikes me that way, also.

In the long run "people getting stricter about spammy/poor-quality content" is usually a good thing, for all of us, one way and another.

Only gossipping now, but I'm really glad this was posted as it was: I'm embarrassed to say that I'd never actually seen Jennifer's blog before, and it's obviously a really good one!

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RKeele 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Green Moon

Thanks for the link to the blog post. I view that as GOOD NEWS, both for Squidoo and for the lendmasters who create good quality lenses.

I agree. I use Squidoo as well, and I hate duplicate content. I like the fact that people will have to write real unique content now. In my opinion that helps more people.
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Danny Cutts

14 years ago

You mean its another platform where we cant scrape other peoples content and fill it up with crap.....???

Thats going to annoy a lot of people....lol

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PotPieGirl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cjshu99

Hope I can post this. Its for all you Squidoo gurus and people who only use Squidoo for making money concerning upcoming changes.

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Thanks so much for sharing my post, CJShu! Very kind of you. Hopefully, it will help some folks understand what all is going on with Squidoo.

Originally Posted by bhartzer

You mean Squidoo is cracking down on duplicate content just now? Seems as though they should have done that a year ago.

No, it's not duplicate content that is the issue now (that was handled quite some time ago and Squidoo has a duplicate content filter in place) - this is about SPUN content. Spun content is a bit trickier to detect with a filter.

Originally Posted by Green Moon

Thanks for the link to the blog post. I view that as GOOD NEWS, both for Squidoo and for the lendmasters who create good quality lenses.

I view all this as very good news as well. Anything that makes the site better will make our results better.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Yes, it strikes me that way, also.

In the long run "people getting stricter about spammy/poor-quality content" is usually a good thing, for all of us, one way and another.

Only gossipping now, but I'm really glad this was posted as it was: I'm embarrassed to say that I'd never actually seen Jennifer's blog before, and it's obviously a really good one!

Agreed - and thank you very much, Alexa!

Originally Posted by Danny Cutts

You mean its another platform where we cant scrape other peoples content and fill it up with crap.....???

Thats going to annoy a lot of people....lol

Yeah really... go figure them not wanting copy/paste content on their site. Crazy! lol!

I'll keep an eye on this thread in case anyone has any questions. While I don't know much as far as exact specifics, I'll do my best to help.

Thanks all!

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Alex Blades

14 years ago

I have no problem with the change, I think it's good. I tried my first lenses a few weeks ago that I never finished. It was actually fun to build, and I just turned on my dragon speech to text software and it was easy as heck. I think i will go back and finish that lenses when I get a chance

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butters

14 years ago

Can't wait for more threads on how they lost their squidoo empire overnight because of their changes. Thanks for the post

it was a good read!

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Alex Blades 14 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

Can't wait for more threads on how they lost their squidoo empire overnigh because of their changes. Thanks for the post it was a good read!

Lol that is so true

Spun content is not worth it IMO, too many changes going on that can turn out to be a waste of time, trying to game the system.
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- PotPieGirl 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alex Blades
  
  Lol that is so true
  
  Spun content is not worth it IMO, too many changes going on that can turn out to be a waste of time, trying to game the system.
  
  As I tell my members... crap in equals crap out. Squidoo lenses (pages) are web pages that are meant to be read... why use spun content? (tho I will admit, I have seen some really well-spun spun content, but it's usually unreadable garbage).
  
  To me, Squidoo is an AMAZING site to start all this on...and it makes an amazing supporting site as you diversify and get more experience. But as with most things in life, you get out of it what you put into it.
  
  Sadly, there are some folks that really have poured their heart and soul into their pages on Squidoo in a genuine way and changes like this are very scary for them. I want to do my best to encourage people to keep on trying and just "roll with it" - changes are all too common 'round here no matter which site you work on.
  
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Alex Blades

14 years ago

As I tell my members... crap in equals crap out. Squidoo lenses (pages) are web pages that are meant to be read... why use spun content? (tho I will admit, I have seen some really well-spun spun content, but it's usually unreadable garbage).

I bought TBS a couple years ago, and spun one article, and it was just as much work IMO. I hate writing but didn't like spinning either. I think it's alot easier to just use a speech to text software to write original content. The day of trying to game the system is over, you would be better off building a solid foundation instead of building something that can be taken away from you at any time.

I think most of us learned our lesson when the Panda/Penguin updates came out.

Hey one question, I always wanted to ask you, why do they call you the pot pie girl? do you eat alot of pot pies :p

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PotPieGirl 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

Hey one question, I always wanted to ask you, why do they call you the pot pie girl? do you eat alot of pot pies :p

Hahahha... no, it's not because of that nor is it because of my cooking skills (tho I am quite handy with a microwave...lol!)

It's just a nickname that stuck with me from back when I was interning for two online poker affiliates.

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Stevie C

14 years ago

Yes I'm looking forward to these new changes to take place, Squidoo Lenses gain a lot of traction by the other lenses they are linking to, so the more high quality lenses and less rubbish on Squidoo the better it will be all round.

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Danny Shaw

14 years ago

Squidoo updates of this nature seem to indicate a big google update. I think they get fair warning and then make change to combat them. Just something I have noticed in the past?

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Sandra Martinez

14 years ago

They are also cracking on big assortments of products for sale. They published a ten questions post from the call they did between the giant squids and Seth Godin.

Also they chose as example of what they want a lens where a lady did a salad sandwich, it looked yummy.

http://www.squidoo.com/salad-sandwich-delight

Bottom line... they don´t want the platform being used for marketing, they want real people with real stories sharing their passions who, by the way, make some money.

They also changed the squid angel blessings, apparently there have been lenses kept up artificially on top positions by blessings alone.

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PerformanceMan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez

Bottom line... they don´t want the platform being used for marketing, they want real people with real stories sharing their passions who, by the way, make some money.

That concept is a bit of joke, really. Even people with passion have bills to pay and deserve compensation - especially if the content they provide is worthwhile.

It's time for people to wake up and abandon these platforms once and for all.

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Sandra Martinez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

That concept is a bit of joke, really. Even people with passion have bills to pay and deserve compensation - especially if the content they provide is worthwhile.

It's time for people to wake up and abandon these platforms once and for all.

Well.. maybe, maybe not.

Seth Godin mentioned facebook for example: people keep adding content to it, and never make a dime (unless you trick it to make money, but it is not the intent).

I use Squidoo mostly for SEO purposes, never did much money with them. It works for everyone.

Besides, it is their platform and their proposal, I think they can do whatever they want.

They are jumping because they lost traction with google. So they are letting go of the lenses that drag them down.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

That concept is a bit of joke, really. Even people with passion have bills to pay and deserve compensation - especially if the content they provide is worthwhile.

It's time for people to wake up and abandon these platforms once and for all.

Well.. maybe, maybe not.

Seth Godin mentioned facebook for example: people keep adding content to it, and never make a dime (unless you trick it to make money, but it is not the intent).

I use Squidoo mostly for SEO purposes, never did much money with them. It works for everyone.

Besides, it is their platform and their proposal, I think they can do whatever they want.

They are jumping because they lost traction with google. So they are letting go of the lenses that drag them down.

Agreed, Sandra. Any site that has it's main source of traffic threatened that does NOT make changes to correct the situation is not worth a flip, in my opinion.

As for "abandoning these platforms once and for all" - sorry, I don't agree with that. I know there are plenty that see me as a "Only Squidoo" person who tells/teaches people to rely on Squidoo 100% for their online income, but I'm not that way at all.

To me, Squidoo is an fantastic platform to get started on. I remember when I started and the whole advice was "go make a site!". Yeah, right - that was a nightmare for someone as UNknowledgeable about all this as I was back then.

It was HIGHLY frustrating and so much precious time is spent on making the site as opposed to the content, learning keywords and ranking, etc and so forth (the stuff that actually makes the money - spending so much time on how your site looks doesn't make you a dime).

I teach a LOT of newbies and Squidoo allows these folks to a) get that first web page published online and b) make that first sale.

To me, those are the two most important first hurdles to tackle to avoid the only way I feel someone fails at all this - giving up and quitting. If Squidoo wasn't what I felt was the best site to accomplish this, I would recommend another free site (but as of yet, I haven't found one that works as well).

I am also very clear with them that we play by the rules of Squidoo (whatever they may be at any given moment), that any free site can take your pages down based on their whims, and that making lenses is not their END goal - it's their starting point. Learn from your pages made there, find some good keywords that you can rank and make sales from - and then expand from there. (In short, the way I started all this - Squidoo was intricate for me staying in this game and moving forward).

The ultimate goal is naturally to have their own sites that they control, but wow, how nice it is when you already know a niche/keywords to target instead of blindly picking a topic from some keyword tool.

For those that do already have their own sites, free-to-use sites are wonderful supporting pages bringing you traffic, making additional sales, giving you more exposure in Google - and... the best part - having pages on Page 1 of Google that your competition could have had.

I see so many people literally obsessing over where their ONE web page/site ranks for their target keyword(s) and my question is always WHY? Why don't you have other supporting pages? Why don't you expand to cover more SERPs and places to enhance what you're so worried about? That's exactly what I'm teaching my members now because I think it is so important whether they're making lenses or have their own site - or both.

Free-to-use sites, to me, are great resources. Sure, the powers that be on any given free site could pop you with no reason/warning, but if you do it correctly, losing one won't matter (or at least won't hurt that badly and cause the entire income stream to be lost).

Just my unasked for 2.5 cents =)

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Benny L

14 years ago

Well said, Jennifer. Maybe you were one of the ones that got me started toying around with Squidoo. Overall, it's been an intersting experience and everything you described above. Some other things it's done for me include:

It's definitely helped me focus my writing better, it's gotten me started toward a goal rather than thinking about it, it's allowed me to to experiment with a "cheap idea" that I didn't want to develop a full site around. Overall, not a bad investment of a day (which is about how long it took me to make my first lens and learn many of the ins-and-outs of the system).

And I really like the idea of using it for SEO.

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PotPieGirl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Benny L

Well said, Jennifer. Maybe you were one of the ones that got me started toying around with Squidoo. Overall, it's been an intersting experience and everything you described above. Some other things it's done for me include:

It's definitely helped me focus my writing better, it's gotten me started toward a goal rather than thinking about it, it's allowed me to to experiment with a "cheap idea" that I didn't want to develop a full site around. Overall, not a bad investment of a day (which is about how long it took me to make my first lens and learn many of the ins-and-outs of the system).

And I really like the idea of using it for SEO.

Thanks, Benny!

And thank YOU for adding more "pros" to it all. All those things you listed are also huge roadblocks for those that are new.

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Claire Koch

14 years ago

But Jennifer I have your course and STILL DO NOT KNOW what in the world SQUIDOO wants.

Why do they slap people with years of experience for nothing? Changes ooooooook but they are always cryin out to marketers to do THEIR THING.

I would love it if someone would just say once and for all WHAT DOES SQUIDOO WANT? Some kind of clever hand stand and then you "IN".

Some people will never make the Squidoo cut IMHO just like some people will never be actors.

Tell me if I'm wrong about that but it seems to be the deal to me anyhow.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Claire Koch

But Jennifer I have your course and STILL DO NOT KNOW what in the world SQUIDOO wants.

Why do they slap people with years of experience for nothing? Changes ooooooook but they are always cryin out to marketers to do THEIR THING.

I would love it if someone would just say once and for all WHAT DOES SQUIDOO WANT? Some kind of clever hand stand and then you "IN".

Some people will never make the Squidoo cut IMHO just like some people will never be actors.

Tell me if I'm wrong about that but it seems to be the deal to me anyhow.

Hiya Claire =)

What does Squidoo want? As far as.... better lensrank? For the site as a whole? Big picture or on a lensmaster by lensmaster basis?

As far as the "big picture" - what Squidoo wants (from my perspective) hasn't changed. They want to be a valuable resource for people and Google, to continue to donate a ton to charity, and allow their content contributors to make some money as well.

Naturally, as the internet changes (mainly Google), Squidoo has to change along with it - just the same as we internet marketers have to change. While change can certainly be frustrating and a pain in the you-know-what, it's very necessary.

If you let me know a bit more specifically what you'd like to know about 'what squidoo wants', I'll be more than happy to help if I can.

As far as "slapping experienced lensmasters"... While it's certainly possible that there are "false positives", for the most part please keep in mind that there very well could be more going on behind the scenes that is publicly known, seen, or talked about.

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14 years ago

Some lensmasters were exaggerating with ‘likes’ to oblige others to like their lenses too…

I stopped caring about Squidoo the way I used to care about it in the past. The last changes they made on Christmas time again gave me a lot of extra work – unexpectedly. I had to change the font in many of my lenses and also the position of the pictures… A lot of trouble.

They keep changing things in their system. I stopped creating lenses.

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smodha

14 years ago

I use duplicate content on my Squidoo lenses. It's never been a problem for me.

The content I use has been written by me. I change it around a little bit but generally it's 90% of what I use on all my Web 2.0 profiles. I don't spin it, never have.

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Originally Posted by smodha

I use duplicate content on my Squidoo lenses. It's never been a problem for me.

I think you probably mean syndicated content, don't you? You're referring to text that you've previously published elsewhere and then published again ("changed around a little") on a Squidoo lens? That isn't duplicate content. (Though it is breaching Squidoo's current terms of use). The differences between the two are briefly explained in this post and this little article.

However, if you're re-using the same content between multiple Squidoo lenses, that would indeed be duplicate content, because the domain's the same.

I suspect that, either way, Squidoo's going to get much more strict about this, anyway - either right now, or in another, later "re-think".

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smodha

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I think you probably mean syndicated content, don't you? You're referring to text that you've previously published elsewhere and then published again ("changed around a little") on a Squidoo lens? That isn't duplicate content. (Though it is breaching Squidoo's current terms of use). The differences between the two are briefly explained in this post and this little article.

However, if you're re-using the same content between multiple Squidoo lenses, that would indeed be duplicate content, because the domain's the same.

I suspect that, either way, Squidoo's going to get much more strict about this, anyway - either right now, or in another, later "re-think".

Yeah, syndicated content is probably the correct term. It's not plagiarism because I am the author of the text. I can't see how the Internet can be policed to remove syndicated content. There's already so much of it from all the big players.

So far, I've only had Hubpages reject my syndicated content because they've found copies of it on the Internet (or so they claim).

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ejullya

14 years ago

Hi Jennifer,

Yesterday I was making a Squidoo lens and I checked out some of the "Lens of the Day" lenses. Well, I must say I found a few lenses there that were nothing but Amazon advertisements. Sure there were pretty colorful pictures and the sites looked pretty. Apart from the intro some had very little writing. I simply could not see value in such lenses.

Does Squidoo really want value or are they after Amazon revenue? Just wondering

By the way I read your post it was very informative.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ejullya

Hi Jennifer,

Yesterday I was making a Squidoo lens and I checked out some of the "Lens of the Day" lenses. Well, I must say I found a few lenses there that were nothing but Amazon advertisements. Sure there were pretty colorful pictures and the sites looked pretty. Apart from the intro some had very little writing. I simply could not see value in such lenses.

Does Squidoo really want value or are they after Amazon revenue? Just wondering

By the way I read your post it was very informative.

Dita

Hiya Dita =)

Well, first off, we need to remember that Squidoo IS a business so they absolutely do need to make money in order to thrive and succeed. Of course they want revenue and yes, they also want to provide value so that Google continues to send them that traffic.

To me, it's hard to define "value" in a cookie-cutter definition. If I'm looking for something online, I very well could find something valuable that another searcher would not. Value does not mean x amount of words, ya know?

As for the past "Lens of the Days" - don't be surprised if the choices start changing moving forward.

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wendyann

13 years ago

So Squidoo is entitled to make money to thrive and succeed but their users are not afforded the same opportunity?

Squidoo encourages people to put in Amazon modules and then accuses them of being too commercial.

I can understand if people have afilliate links in every module, they could be seen as too commercial. However even those who use Squidoo for SEO seem to have been targeted by this strange update.

Can anyone tell me what is the advantage of having a Sqidoo lens in this day and age? Because I just can't think of one. Why bother to write top quality content for Squidoo when you can put it on your own site?

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Hiya Dita =)

Well, first off, we need to remember that Squidoo IS a business so they absolutely do need to make money in order to thrive and succeed. Of course they want revenue and yes, they also want to provide value so that Google continues to send them that traffic.

To me, it's hard to define "value" in a cookie-cutter definition. If I'm looking for something online, I very well could find something valuable that another searcher would not. Value does not mean x amount of words, ya know?

As for the past "Lens of the Days" - don't be surprised if the choices start changing moving forward.

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chrisdarrenjames

13 years ago

Thanks for sharing Jennifer....I have linked to your post from my blog.

I have a bunch of Squidoo lenses at the top but they are not letting me edit them. They are still live and getting hundreds of visits per day, but lets see if they get taken down.

I think a good strategy is to use Squidoo as a feeder site....write a bunch of high quality value and then send the traffic over to product review style articles.

This is a strategy I use with video marketing and works well for me, so will likely work with Squidoo.

Cheers,

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CrossCreations

13 years ago

In hindsight I'd have branched out to my own site years ago rather than investing so much effort at Squidoo. Such changes are inevitable, yes. I don't think members objected to the changes themselves as much as the timing and abrupt nature of them. The weeks before Christmas is an utterly ridiculous time for site wide changes. That was a direct hit on revenue for all that could have been avoided by simply waiting a few weeks. Some notice would have helped too, but there was none at all.

At least some notice was given about the more recent changes (spring 2013) and some leverage was given to more experienced lensmasters. I had opened a niche account, which was hit hard by their filters and yet my Giant account was barely even touched.

In general, of the free web platforms that offer revenue sharing options, Squidoo remains among the best of the choices available. Still I'd never recommend it as a main focus, way too risky in the face of that flimsy 'digital sharecropping' practice.

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Sam Woods

13 years ago

I hope that these new filters don't pick up genuine lens' - It must be quite hard to detect spun content, especially as there are some that are quite well-spun.

I hope that they sort it all out as I think Squidoo is an amazing idea. I keep meaning to do more on it but never seem to have the time!

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GobBluthJD

13 years ago

Good news. Anything that rids the web of spam content, plr junk, and rehased, respun, barely readable articles is a step forward in the right direction.

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RogueOne

13 years ago

Squidoo is like Google in that they are "holier than thou." They are in business solely to make money, no matter how they try to disguise it by being just "really wonderful people" full of sweetness and light.

They then tell the people who build their businesses for them, "Hey, we don't want you making money." ???

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by RogueOne

Squidoo is like Google in that they are "holier than thou." They are in business solely to make money, no matter how they try to disguise it by being just "really wonderful people" full of sweetness and light.

They then tell the people who build their businesses for them, "Hey, we don't want you making money." ???

They know who they want adding information to their sites, and the changes they make weed slowly everyone else. They want people with passions, not marketers. They are the ones providing the marketing services to these people.

And of course they will take the share of the lion, because while people only receive compensation for the personal efforts, they receive compensation for ALL the efforts.

I thought I had found a way to make my thing and make them happy at the same time. With the last tweak in the policies I feel slightly pushed. What is fine, they are not the only game in town.

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Jimerson Farveez 13 years ago

I would say this is the time for IM guys to get out of Squidoo and use valuable time with other platforms or sites....!!!

The obvious truth is, using own website really rocks than Squidoo when it comes to commissions and sales.... even it is hard to rank own websites compare to Squidoo pages, the effort on own site worth than Squidoo...

May be with Squidoo, over night everything may go to Zero...!!!
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RogueOne

13 years ago

They want people with passions, not marketers.

They want free content creators, free of any form of compensation except a fore mentioned, "sweetness and light."

These people are otherwise known as "suckers."

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PalmTreeJack

13 years ago

I used to be a HUGE Squidoo fan. It was a great platform for publishing quality, unique content for quick ranking, list-building, and backlinking/SEO purposes. That is no longer the case. Their heavy-handed efforts to weed out spam too often punish innocent people. I know for a fact that they will lock/delete popular lenses filled with helpful, 100% unique content just because a so-called "spam" term was mentioned somewhere in the content.

The fact that they now "nofollow" all outbound links was probably the biggest slap-in-the-face to people who have invested large amounts of time and effort to publish high-quality content (practically for free!) on the site. If I can't even get a single dofollow link back to one of my own sites why would I -- or anyone for that matter -- make an effort to create unique content for Squidoo??