Best way to build a list without a website or product?

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So I would like to start working on building a list in my chosen niche. Now at first I won't be doing this to make money, and I don't want to invest money trying to build a website or product when its already a highly competitive niche.

So I was just curious. If I can produce plenty of quality content, what is the best way to build a list without owning a website or product?

Thanks
#build #list #product #website
  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    Highly competitive niche = people making money.

    I'm not sure why you'd want to start building a list
    and not making any money, just because other
    people are doing it?

    You could get a free blog and use Mailchimps free
    autoresponder series, but in the long.. or even
    short term it doesn't make any sense, considering
    that your list will get their promo links sent through
    your emails anyway and your free blog could be
    taken down at anytime.

    If you're going to do the work, why not make a product
    and sell it?

    When I was in high school I remember thinking, SO MANY
    other people already had weightloss products, so selling
    weight loss was a bad idea and there was no way there
    was enough room for another weight loss product in the
    market... but how many weight loss products have you
    seen make millions per year in the last 15 years?

    Competition is a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    how are you going to get anyone to subscribe to anything if you don't even have a site to put your auto responder form on?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      how are you going to get anyone to subscribe to anything if you don't even have a site to put your auto responder form on?
      There are various different ways of doing that, Nicholas. One or two have been mentioned above.

      You can also use one on a page provided by the autoresponder company you're using which doesn't need to be hosted elsewhere, or even use a free hosted squeeze-page service such as Russell Brunson's.

      It's certainly a far better prospect, overall, in these circumstances, to build a list without having a website than it would be to have a website without building a list.
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  • Profile picture of the author bmw040
    Not easy.

    Instead of a website you can use a Facebook fan page.

    Add a signature link after your name in emails.
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  • Profile picture of the author JanG
    You absolutely don't need a product in order to build a list. You said that you can produce a lot of quality content which should be more than enough to be successful with email marketing.

    Of course, everybody is giving away a free ebook or something to get people to sign up to their list, and they think that is the only way... However, instead of "selling" your subscribers a free ebook in exchange for the email address, ask them where they would want a ton of awesome content delivered to on a regular basis.

    That way, people are really signing up for your emails, not for a free gift, and will be much more likely to open your emails.

    Beware that you shouldn't only give away free stuff though, otherwise people will start to expect that from you, and will start to complain as soon as you try to sell them something. Get them in the habit of clicking through to some affiliate products you recommend to them.

    You see... No problem at all. And you'll even make money in the process (which you can spend on traffic)

    P.S. You can build and host your squeeze page with http://unbounce.com/. They have a free plan, I believe.
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  • Profile picture of the author sanhal
    My first thought is why are you considering entering a highly competitive niche?

    Here is a video that shows you how to set up an optin form for free but you do have to register a domain name.

    How to Build An Email List Without A Website

    Good luck
    Sandy
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  • Profile picture of the author JHandy
    One thing I learned several years ago is to just use your autoresponder email address. The idea is to utilize high traffic forums or blog and after sharing valuable content or info, just ask if they are looking for more information from this "author" or whatever you would like to put to just send and email to:

    Ex: mylistname@autorespondercompany.com

    When they do contact you via your autoresponder list name, they will automatically be subscribed to your list without you having to have a website. It's a guaranteed way to have 100% optin rate. Of course this is with single opt in being set up initially.

    Keep in mind that this strategy can be used additionally in articles, blogs, and any other location you choose to share content. But the downside to this strategy is if you don't have a blog/website to send them to once you have them on your list, it will be a hard sell if they don't know anything about you.
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    Grab a suitable PLR product and rewrite some of it in your own words.
    It will save you from having to come up with product ideas.
    Offer the new version to your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roman Cologne
    With kajabi.com if you don't want to have an own website... but you still kinda have one with kajabi.

    You just always need a website where you can collect emails...
    or you can advertise on other peoples blogs for money buy having a pop up with an optin on their site.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    I agree that having competition is good as that means it is profitable. What you might want to focus on is getting your own share of the profits. Do doubt it is very competitive, but if you are willing to work hard and smart, you will be able to get some results from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    None of this makes any sense. You want to build a list but don't want to make any money because it's too competitive. You don't want to build a website. You don't want to crate a product to give away.

    What's the point in it all?
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrisonJ
    You could do it with a facebook page, but the best way would just be to learn how to use wordpress to make a squeeze page, look up how on youtube you could learn in 10 minutes.
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    How about you Create a list for me?
    And I pay you something?

    I can give you website and product to promote..

    Puzzled...
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    • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
      IMHO there's every reason to have a website, irrespective of whether it's a single page such as a landing page, or a large blog with multiple pages.

      Two advantages that sping to mind are: first, it doesn't take that long to learn how to create one (for free), and second, YOU will own what you put on it, NOT a 3rd party, which can (potentially) remove all/any of your content at their whim.

      If you can tackle an autoresponder, you can tackle setting up a hosting account (assuming you may not have one); hostgator.com is a popular one with the IM community.

      Don't know whether anyone else agrees with that, but it's what I told ages ago, and seemed to make sense

      hth
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  • Profile picture of the author Rishy
    I think you could do solo ads, that is to buy solo ads from someone who already has a large audience related to your niche, but you would at least need a squeeze page to collect their email addresses because if he sends out an email on your behalf , his subscribers need to opt-in somewhere. But for this method, you don't need a lot of quality content to be created.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulSolid
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    Originally Posted by BenWesty View Post

    So I was just curious. If I can produce plenty of quality content, what is the best way to build a list without owning a website or product?

    Thanks
    If you want to test a niche and build a list without spending money upfront.
    Then use this tools and sites;

    1: blogger.com --use it set up a blog on your niche and if you re good using blogger, you can customize the theme and design to look like a professional site. And you can also add your opt form there also.
    2: dot.tk-- use this site to configure and redirect your blogspot link, instead of xxxx.yourdomain.blogspot.com, it goes xxxx.yourdomain.tk
    Which one do you prefer?
    3: Email Marketing AutoResponders by TrafficWave.net this authoresponder give you free 30 days service free of charge OR use aweber and pay small buck for a trial. Trafficwave woks best for so this purpose. saves you some bucks.

    These are what i used when i started and whenever i need to test something.
    I hope this help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by BenWesty View Post

      I don't want to invest money trying to build a website or product
      ~snip~

      So I was just curious. If I can produce plenty of quality content, what is the best way to build a list without owning a website or product?

      Thanks
      You should have something to give away or offer - otherwise why am I going to even sign up for your list?

      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      how are you going to get anyone to subscribe to anything if you don't even have a site to put your auto responder form on?
      That can be set up - a bit tedious, but some kind of web page somewhere needs to go up to sell people on wanting to get onto the list.

      Originally Posted by sanhal View Post

      My first thought is why are you considering entering a highly competitive niche?

      Sandy
      Why shouldn't someone enter a highly competitive niche? If you're not in a hurry, it can be a good thing to do. It means there is a hungry market.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by PaulSolid View Post

      2: dot.tk-- use this site to configure and redirect your blogspot link, instead of xxxx.yourdomain.blogspot.com, it goes xxxx.yourdomain.tk
      Which one do you prefer?
      I strongly prefer Blogspot, of the two. And so should you, Paul. For the appearance, for SEO reasons (unless you want it to rank in Tokelau at the expense of its ranking anywhere else) and for other reasons, too. I wouldn't actually use Blogger, even for testing, because there are other, better, safer, equally free alternatives that don't give you any of Blogger's problems. But, either way, I certainly wouldn't be using a ".tk" url for it. Since you ask.

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      • Profile picture of the author yakim1
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I strongly prefer Blogspot, of the two. And so should you, Paul. For the appearance, for SEO reasons (unless you want it to rank in Tokelau at the expense of its ranking anywhere else) and for other reasons, too.
        I think the point is no website and this would be a website that would have to be developed. I believe he just wants to send traffic to a link that will build a list in an autoresponder and then control the redirect.

        This is about five minutes of work to set up and then test the niche to see how it does. I think the question is no work with any kind of web page, but just start driving traffic to a link.

        I made a recommendation that will do this in a post above.

        Best regards,
        Steve Yakim
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      • Profile picture of the author keinz053
        [QUOTE=Alexa Smith;7882757]I strongly prefer Blogspot, of the two. And so should you, Paul. For the appearance, for SEO reasons (unless you want it to rank in Tokelau at the expense of its ranking anywhere else) and for other reasons, too. I wouldn't actually use Blogger, even for testing, because there are other, better, safer, equally free alternatives that don't give you any of Blogger's problems. But, either way, I certainly wouldn't be using a ".tk" url for it. Since you ask.

        which free service will you use then?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by keinz053 View Post

          which free service will you use then?
          I don't use them, myself, but you might want to look at some of these ...

          (i) Byethost (possibly the best free host - very longstanding, has an overall good record for reliability and various future upgrade possibilities: I know marketers who've used it successfully for years, the downside is that you can't install WordPress with "one click", though that isn't a safe way of installing it anyway so it's not much of a downside);

          (ii) 000WebHost (similar - possibly not quite as reliable overall);

          (iii) Freehostia (where you can install WordPress blogs with "one click");

          (iv) Weebly (not suitable for WordPress blogs, but has an excellent built-in site-builder, much better host than many people realize, but read the terms of service carefully especially when using the free service - I use Weebly's paid service and have sites there now in their 5th year of hosting);

          (v) Yola (similar)

          There are many others, on which I'm not up-to-date, but some will be worth looking at: they include Jimdo, Jigsy, WebNode, Zanga, Zoho, Webstarts etc. ...
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Having a product isn't required, but not having a website is like trying to drive without a car.

    You can try free solutions like blogs, squidoo lens, etc, but be warned that you can lose them at anytime and there have been alot of horror stories about people losing their 6 figure businesses by relying on free services.

    The best service is one YOU control. Learn how to make a website and your list building efforts will improve tremendously.
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    • Profile picture of the author yakim1
      Originally Posted by rmolina88 View Post

      Having a product isn't required, but not having a website is like trying to drive without a car.

      You can try free solutions like blogs, squidoo lens, etc, but be warned that you can lose them at anytime and there have been alot of horror stories about people losing their 6 figure businesses by relying on free services.

      The best service is one YOU control. Learn how to make a website and your list building efforts will improve tremendously.
      The great thing about building a list is that if you lose your website, you still have your list. That is why list building or email marketing is such a solid foundation on which to build your business.

      Best regards,
      Steve Yakim
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  • Profile picture of the author JMac
    As Alexa pointed out it can be done but the real question is, WHY would you want to do it that way? You could easily create a blog with wordpress and post your quality content there while building a list. Then later when you want to monitize, you already have a great site, loved by Google and full of great content to bring in new customers each week.

    It would cost you less than $100 to buy a domain name and purchase hosting for your blog. The entire thing would be yours and you would never have to worry about someone else closing your account. You could post the content on your blog, get it indexed and then post it on Ezine Articles to drive more traffic to your site.

    Now throw in some guest posting to other blogs along the way to bring in more traffic, post on some forums that are in the niche with a signature that links to your blog and sprinkle in some posts on yahoo answers about your topic and BOOM, list grows and revenue increases. Next thing you know you are sipping fruity drinks with little umbrellas on a beach and wondering why you didnt do it sooner.
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    I woupd definitely advise for you to get your own website, hosting, and a proper product or eBook to give away. If you're not trying to make money, then what are you trying to accomplish?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    You can build optin pages in your autoresponder, they host the optin pages for you. Then go to the top ten forums in your niche and start posting with the optin page in your sig.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stuart Stirling
      When you say 'without a website' do you mean without YOU getting
      your own website (domain name and hosting), and just using free sites
      and tools?

      If that's what you mean, then there are plenty of ways to build a list using
      free sites and tools. A few have already been mentioned on this thread...

      However I think the main thing you need to worry about is what you'll bribe your
      traffic with to join your list. Most of the time, just saying 'subscribe to my newsletter'
      won't get a lot of people joining.

      You would need some kind of bribe. It doesn't have to be a product, it can be
      simple 'information' but it matters how you describe it with your copy.

      It could simply be a list of things... e.g. if it's the weight loss niche, you could
      bribe people to join by saying "The 5 Foods You Must Not Eat" and simply
      list them in the first email in your autoresponder.

      Hope that gives you some help and ideas!
      Stuart
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by BenWesty View Post

    So I would like to start working on building a list in my chosen niche. Now at first I won't be doing this to make money, and I don't want to invest money trying to build a website or product when its already a highly competitive niche.

    So I was just curious
    . If I can produce plenty of quality content, what is the best way to build a list without owning a website or product?

    Thanks
    As you have read, you post is confusing. What is PLENTY? OF Quality content?

    So, you want a list of people who would WANT the content you can produce, is this correct?

    Then you know something about these people. Where do they go? What do they want? How would you get your content to them?

    Find your prospect, use email or have them opt in, as has been said...use Free to get started.

    I think you are either very confused about what you want to do, or you are just very curious? Care to let us know how we might resolve your curiosity or has that been done?

    gjabiz
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    • Profile picture of the author Emir Hayric
      No product and no website? Well I dabbled in CPA and Adult for sometime which I didn't need a product for but not having a website or hosting? Pretty tough to upload content without that but never the less this is a good thread and I am finding some useful tips!
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    hi
    my best way to build a list without a website will have to be: let the auto responder like aweber or get response to host your squeeze pages. very easy to do....and they have great templates.
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