Is Clickbank going down hill fast? Where is marketplace?

11 years ago

Originally Posted by roley

So many changes

can't find the marketplace
Notice they are not charging fees if your product doesn't make money or you get refunds and even terminating. Crazy stuff man!

Where the heck is the marketplace they have hidden that now

It's in the same place it's always been... clickbank.com/marketplace

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HarrisonJ

11 years ago

I think you have to be logged in to access the marketplace now.
Yes if you look at their Alexa traffic they have lost half of their traffic in the past year. People are moving to other cheaper and less restrictive marketplaces like WarriorPlus and JVZoo and all the other new networks. They are still a big network though, they are obviously trying to recover with all the changes they are making.

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LexiB

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HarrisonJ

I think you have to be logged in to access the marketplace now.
Yes if you look at their Alexa traffic they have lost half of their traffic in the past year. People are moving to other cheaper and less restrictive marketplaces like WarriorPlus and JVZoo and all the other new networks. They are still a big network though, they are obviously trying to recover with all the changes they are making.

They lost half their traffic because half their traffic was coming from garbage offers. They got rid of the trash and only kept the good stuff. I'd rather have half the traffic but all decent offers as opposed to a lot of traffic filled with garbage.

In my opinion I think CB is going exactly in the right direction. Hopefully the rest of the industry will follow.

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ColeWriting 11 years ago

I haven't been on ClickBank in a long while. That said, I have bought one or two products from there and been pleasantly surprised. I think I will take a look again.

If Lexi is right that they dumped poor products or poorly performing products, then that is probably a good thing.

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bishalbricormedia 11 years ago

I second that! clickbank is making a lot of good changes on their system. I think they are headed in the right direction.
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- PaulSolid Banned 11 years ago
  
  And for the clickbank marketplace, you will have to login before you can have access to it. Just look up to your top tools there. I like the changes anyway.
  
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Coby

11 years ago

As a vendor at Clickbank for over 3 years I personally really like the changes that are happening. They are working hard to remove the negative stigma they received in the past.

They are also very picky now when it comes to approving products.

The fees are comparable to other services especially when you don't have to worry about waking up one day and having your account frozen and your recurring subscriptions cancelled.

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WillR

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Coby

The fees are comparable to other services especially when you don't have to worry about waking up one day and having your account frozen and your recurring subscriptions cancelled.

You just have to instead wake up to all the refund requests because of their ridiculously laxed refund policy. Hopefully they fix that soon enough. If they are being far more selective on the offers they approve then there is no longer a need for a mandatory 60 days no questions asked refund policy. None of the other networks force this upon you and they get along just fine.

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cloudstrife

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

You just have to instead wake up to all the refund requests because of their ridiculously laxed refund policy. Hopefully they fix that soon enough. If they are being far more selective on the offers they approve then there is no longer a need for a mandatory 60 days no questions asked refund policy. None of the other networks force this upon you and they get along just fine.

But, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt Paypal have a 60 day refund policy. So even if I was to purchase from another network, as long as I pay through Paypal, I can get a refund anyway.

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WillR

11 years ago

Originally Posted by cloudstrife

But, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt Paypal have a 60 day refund policy. So even if I was to purchase from another network, as long as I pay through Paypal, I can get a refund anyway.

I will correct you. You are wrong.

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cloudstrife 11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

I will correct you. You are wrong.

Haha, fair enough. Could you quickly expound on the PayPal situation without forcing me to read their TOS?
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- WMGwyoming 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by cloudstrife
  
  Haha, fair enough. Could you quickly expound on the PayPal situation without forcing me to read their TOS?
  
  Paypal has a 30 day requirement to file a "Buyer Complaint" if it is a physical product and it is not guaranteed that you will get your money back if you file this. If you read the Paypal TOS you will find this clause:
  
  "Please note: PayPal's consumer protection programs only apply to tangible, physical goods which can be shipped, and excludes everything else, including but not limited to: intangibles, services, quasi-cash and all non-tangible, non-physical goods."
  
  I'm not a attorney, this is not legal advice, go read Paypal's Terms of service and come to your own conclusion, if you need assistance contact a competent lawyer that understands online Terms of Service.
  
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Coby

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

You just have to instead wake up to all the refund requests because of their ridiculously laxed refund policy. Hopefully they fix that soon enough. If they are being far more selective on the offers they approve then there is no longer a need for a mandatory 60 days no questions asked refund policy. None of the other networks force this upon you and they get along just fine.

Yes, but I'll take refunds over closure any day

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GlenH

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

You just have to instead wake up to all the refund requests because of their ridiculously laxed refund policy. Hopefully they fix that soon enough. If they are being far more selective on the offers they approve then there is no longer a need for a mandatory 60 days no questions asked refund policy. None of the other networks force this upon you and they get along just fine.

I've been hanging out waiting (and hoping) they will come to their senses after all these years and finally change that 60 day refund policy.

I'm not holding my breath though.

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Chris Silvey

11 years ago

My opinion is that they should raise the bar a bit.

1. Require Vendors to have marketing material in place before the product goes live.

2. Affiliate approval/screening for each vendor.

3. Clickbank should offer services or 3rd parties in creating marketing material.

Conversions and Return rates are not always based on product quality, but how it is marketed. Both Vendors and Affiliates might not know how to market effectively left to their own devices. The lack of promotional material just opens the door to trouble and low sales.

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Silvey

Conversions and Return rates are not always based on product quality, but how it is marketed.

This.

Different affiliates have vastly differing refund-rates for the same products.

As ClickBank will confirm, if you discuss this with them, some affiliates have uniformly above-average refund-rates for every product they promote, while others have very few refunds indeed for anything they promote.

It's true that products in the "IM", "MMO" and "Forex" niches do, overall, have slightly higher refund-rates than those in other niches, and there are some other reasons for that, too. But most of the variances are very directly attributable to differences between affiliates' pre-selling methods. (And I'm saying that as an affiliate, not as a vendor).

A product which had a very high refund-rate across its whole range of affiliates would quickly be removed from the Marketplace by ClickBank, because of course the financial and administrative costs involved in processing the refunds wouldn't cover their processing profit-margins on the ones sold successfully.

I find, out of all the places I've ever used, that ClickBank's refund policy is the one that suits me best, as an affiliate. It's their refund policy that makes it so easy to sell the products. And it's one's own marketing skills as an affiliate that determine whether or not one's customers do actually refund. Some affiliates have refund-rates well under 1%, and some well under 0.5%, for all the products they promote.
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SunilTanna

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Silvey

My opinion is that they should raise the bar a bit.

1. Require Vendors to have marketing material in place before the product goes live.

2. Affiliate approval/screening for each vendor.

3. Clickbank should offer services or 3rd parties in creating marketing material.

Conversions and Return rates are not always based on product quality, but how it is marketed. Both Vendors and Affiliates might not know how to market effectively left to their own devices. The lack of promotional material just opens the door to trouble and low sales.

I'm pretty confident that most (like 90%+, maybe more than 95%) vendors have few, if any, problems with affiliates - So 2 is a big non-productive waste of time for those vendors.

It is also a big pain and waste of time for affiliates (the vast majority of whom aren't causing problems). Right now, content affiliates can just find a matching product in the marketplace and post a link immediately, then do something else. If an affiliate has to wait several days before knowing whether they can even post a link, they will find some other ad to post in the mean time, like Adsense or Chikita, or any of the CPA programs.

This exact problem happens in CJ all the time. The extra hassle in CJ, and not in ClickBank means there are probably millions of links that might have been CJ links, but were ClickBank links.

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salegurus

11 years ago

Originally Posted by roley

Where the heck is the marketplace they have hidden that now

Log In to your account it's there (LOL)

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DubDubDubDot

11 years ago

Originally Posted by roley

Is Clickbank going down hill fast?

They were going downhill fast, but I'd say they are going downhill slow now. At least they are taking some positive steps recently. We're finally seeing reports of low level creators being turned away. I don't know how deep that goes. You can't expect everything on a platform like that to be amazing though. If the stuff were top notch it would obviously be taken to a traditional publisher. So to a certain extent you have to be forgiving of what's on here.

I think they could stop the bleeding if they would wipe out the previously submitted medical advice and online bizopp offers and just start over from there with higher standards of approval.

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tylerquick

11 years ago

I like the new changes. I took about a six month break from CB because I couldn't stand sorting through all the worthless offers looking for things to promote. Much better now.

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aarthielumalai

11 years ago

I wouldn't say they are going downhill. I've been thinking about their recent changes, and from what I've seen, affiliates and product owners alike have started to take clickbank seriously because of it. I mean, since they know they can't sell garbage there anymore and they can't promote via unsavory methods anymore, I guess only ones who are ready do things the right way have stayed, and the others have moved on to abuse other smaller networks.

I'd say that's a pretty good thing, because by bringing in their new changes, they've drastically improved the quality of their marketplace, and that's all that matters in the long run, quality, not quantity. So, I'm pretty sure clickbank is not going anywhere anytime soon.

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banx63

11 years ago

There are only two products that I promote on clickbank on my blog. Pretty much all of my own content I run through JVzoo and Warrior+.

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letsmakeamillion

11 years ago

any word on when they will put the marketplace ratings system back so we can see which are the worst vendors to avoid promoting ?

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competent123

11 years ago

There are tons of marketplaces where you can sell your goods.
there are 2 type of marketplaces -
1 - where you pay the market a fees to sell your goods, they bring you the customers
eg- ebay/clickbank/fiverr/ etc

2 - where you pay nobody, but you deal with traffic yourself as well.
eg - purseplant.com/ craigslist etc

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Being a ClickBank affiliate is the single greatest money-making venture I've experienced in 12 years making a full-time living online.

I ignored ClickBank until October of last year and what a mistake it was. As far as refund goes, I have a 0.29% refund rate (On over $5k/month of business) and a violet rating of 'Excellent' so it all comes down to which products you pick.

With overall EPC of $1.18 I can't imagine sending my traffic anywhere else.

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LetsGoViral

11 years ago

Yes, the sky is falling and Clickbank is dying. For about 4 years precisely since I started internet marketing in 2008.

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Chri5123

11 years ago

You now have to be logged in to view the marketplace.

They charge fees based on your account standing which is working out depending on how many refunds or chargebacks you are getting.

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Harvey Segal 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Chri5123

They charge fees based on your account standing which is working out depending on how many refunds or chargebacks you are getting.

The proposed Risk Tiers and associated fees will not go ahead

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- Chri5123 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Harvey Segal
  
  The proposed Risk Tiers and associated fees will not go ahead
  
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  Cheers Harvey,
  
  Really? That has just saved me a ton of cash!
  
  Only joking lol
  
  Most of my accounts are on Very Good, or at the least Good, however I did manage to get a few in Average as well.
  
  While you are here, any ideas what happened to the star ratings in the marketplace?
  
  Are they scraping that too?
  
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  Harvey Segal 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Chri5123
  
  While you are here, any ideas what happened to the star ratings in the marketplace?
  
  Are they scraping that too?
  
  See the UPDATE section at
  
  https://support.clickbank.com/entrie...ds-Chargebacks
  
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Wayne

11 years ago

I believe they said the star ratings are supposed to come back some time in the future, but they didn't give any estimated date.

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greenowl123

11 years ago

Not really a ClickBank fan, but their marketplace is still there... you may need to log in to your account to access it.

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janeps

11 years ago

I think clickbank is moving in the right direction, what they are doing now is what other petty networks will do in the next 2 or 3 years coming.if they want to have a good reputation

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mansea1 11 years ago

I don't think that it's a bad idea to require log in before accessing the Marketplace.That way, vendors will be assured that only serious existing affiliates are promoting their products, not just casual passers by who might have a go if they felt like it. Like many other posts above, I think the changes were long overdue and can only make Clickbank a more reliable and serious digital marketplace.

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JoeMack

11 years ago

Hey All...

I agree with those saying that changes were needed. Now, I personally don't like their new layout and theme, but in terms of income generation, getting rid of the garbage will save affiliate marketers plenty of time and effort in the future.

JoeMack

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Harvey Segal 11 years ago

It appears that the Marketplace is now publicly available again - i.e no need to be logged in to view it

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- GlenH 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Harvey Segal
  
  It appears that the Marketplace is now publicly available again - i.e no need to be logged in to view it
  
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  Yes...you're right.
  
  It's seems that anyone can now access the Marketplace from the main page (ClickBank ) without first having to login
  
  They must have be inundated with complaints about having to login first. Or they were seeing a drop-off in traffic.
  
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