Stop the Madness! Internet Marketing has become a JOB

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What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.

From SEO, writing articles, building backlinks, creating videos, site submissions, creating a million websites, building social profiles and the list of "need-to-do's" goes on and on and on.

No wonder why so many newbies get so lost and frustrated.

Make no mistake about it, Internet Marketing takes work but that "work" doesn't have to be miserable.

Here is my process for making money online and loving every minute of it,

1. Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it

2. Create content daily

3. Build your own community within that niche and deliver value to them. (Build a list, facebook fanpage and group, followers and subscribers)

4. Have Fun and Enjoy Yourself!

Do this and you will never "work" another day in your life.

Put the freedom back in IM!

To your success,
-Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    This is the blueprint if you want to have fun and make money online at the same time. Enjoy what you are doing and offering value. wonderful post.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by Malcolm Thomas View Post

      This is the blueprint if you want to have fun and make money online at the same time. Enjoy what you are doing and offering value. wonderful post.
      Deffinetly I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
    The truth is that a job is much easier for MOST people,
    especially nowadays with all the crazy Google algorithm updates.

    With a job, you always get paid what you are supposed to get
    at the end of each month, but with IM... not so. And to get paid
    with IM consistently, you have to keep battling with lots of other
    variables that are, sometimes, not within your control.


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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

      The truth is that a job is much easier for MOST people, especially nowadays with all the crazy Google algorithm updates.......
      Not really, that only applies to people who focus solely on Google for their SEO traffic. After being online for over a decade, to me this equates to insanity. It's always a good idea to have diverse traffic sources.

      The real truth is that a job is easier for most people because that is how they've been conditioned to think. Their parent(s) told them to go to school or learn a trade, get a job, and raise a family. They trade their time for money (a paycheck), so they have an employee-mentality, not one of entrepreneurship.

      Internet marketing is not a business, it's a generic term for using the internet to promote a product or a service. It only becomes a job to those who don't automate and outsource their business.

      Then again, it also depends on what you love to do. My old buddy Kevin Riley loves to make videos, so he makes a lot of them. I like to write a lot and even though I have a staff of writers, I still do a lot of my own writing because it's something I love doing.

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      • Profile picture of the author goldmineberry
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        C'mon guys!

        If you want to succeed in life, you MUST work hard and keep trying and trying no matter how many times you have failed! By engaging a fulfilling life full of passion and determination, you will soon find that success will come to you.

        Internet marketers do not lounge around on boats and sip champagne on private yachts all day... do not be under this illusion. It's a job, like every other one, with big upsides and it's not going to happen over night - BUT with the right disciplines and processes in place - you too can learn how to do it successfully.

        The good news is, an internet marketing business is perfect for anyone who wants to pursue the life that they've always wanted. It can give you the kind of time freedom and financial freedom that many day job workers can only dream about!

        Hence, I strongly believe that if you are looking for both financial freedom and time freedom, then setting up a successful Internet business will pave the way for you to achieve that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Soszka
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

    Here is my process for making money online and loving every minute of it,

    1. Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it

    2. Create content daily

    3. Build your own community within that niche and deliver value to them. (Build a list, facebook fanpage and group, followers and subscribers)

    4. Have Fun and Enjoy Yourself!

    Do this and you will never "work" another day in your life.

    Put the freedom back in IM!

    To your success,
    -Chris

    Hi Chris,

    Thanks for making me remember why I started doing this in the first place! I'm going to simplify a little bit..

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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    There will be a majority of the people who will find having a job is much easier as they feel they are guaranteed the income as long as they do their job. Whereas for IM, most might have to go through a period of learning and implement without being paid and most of them are afraid of this kind of situation.

    I love Chris's quote on doing something that you love and you will never work another day
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      I know someone is going to quote me on this, but hey I Said It lolol.

      It all gets easier once you stop searching for the secret, the answer, and come to the realization that there is no answer or secret, because what you are doing has never been done before. -Walter Parrish-
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  • Profile picture of the author joaquin112
    I personally think that IM is freedom. I've been doing this for over six years and despite the Google algorithms and literally losing my businesses overnight, it's possible to get back up again and do everything better than ever. It's also possible to make a lot more than in a regular job. For me, I understand the risks of IM but I have chosen it and I'm sticking to it
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    For most people they can't help but to make IM a job. They spend countless time trying technique after technique, then by the time they know it... they've been online "tweaking" things for 5 whole hours... where did all the time go?

    If you have heavy advertising funds, and a good converting product... you could make killer money on the backend, and work only about 1 hour per day... just to manage things - or run new ads. Do this, and you can make more money in 1 month than most people make within the next 5 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Luis Vaugier
      That's totally true, if you enjoy what you are doing then you are not working, just find what you like and make it profitable
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

    It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.
    I don't think of it as a JOB but more like a business and it is up to me how much time I want to spend in my business every day.

    I agree that when you first start, you are not aware what is involved in making it a successful business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vadimarket
    I don't know. Try working at Burger King( I used to work there during teenage years), and tell me that IM is a job. I don't care what you do online, but after having several jobs like at BK, making money online seems like a vacation...
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by Vadimarket View Post

      I don't know. Try working at Burger King( I used to work there during teenage years), and tell me that IM is a job. I don't care what you do online, but after having several jobs like at BK, making money online seems like a vacation...
      I here you, I worked as a warehouse supervisor unloading trucks by hand 50+ hours per week with horrible bosses for 11 years. I swear it was an 11 year prison sentence for not doing anything wrong. No amount of IM "work" will ever compare to that BS and that's why I got into IM.

      Now I can take my laptop and a cell phone and work while fishing or at the park. We are not bound to desks or warehouse's and don't have to request vacation or personal days and wait for someone to approve them.

      That's the meaning of this thread, newbies should know that even though IM takes work, it's work that can be enjoyed with total freedom.
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Warrior
    If you use a well planned IM strategy, then you can make more in less time.
    If you keep doing works "constantly" then you can easily waste your time
    and achieve nothing
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    IM is a business not a job. If you are truly interested in making good money online then you need to treat it with the respect it deserves...
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    nuf said.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.
    The fish in the pond get bigger every year.

    Anytime you find something online that doesn't involve a lot of work to make a decent profit, it's only a matter of time before people show up that want to push the limits. Then it's not so fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcusJohnson
    Yes, agree to that. I guess its at the first level that you would need to exert extra effort to get what you wanted. And I also agree to one comment that at first you'd spend countless hours looking for ways to work out and then when you get the right method you'd only work for just a few hours and the rest you'd definitely be relaxing and spending more time with your family. It's all in the hard work and it truly pays off
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    IM has always taken a lot of work to be successful, I started online in 2002 and it took a lot of work then, it's never been easy.

    The people I know who are very successful online work darn hard, (myself included), the difference is they usually enjoy what they do

    Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author Henri Lind
    It all depends on what level you want to achieve.

    If you want to achieve 10 grands per month income, you work for it, reach it and then hire a VA to do everything for you so you could enjoy your life as you want it.

    But once you've reached that 10 grand per month income and you know you got everything you need for your family and yourself, maybe you want to expand it, make more money, help a lot more people. This is were you build a business, a real business - that does require you to put in hours.

    If you want to make x amount per month, after reaching it you dont have to work anymore.

    But if you want to build a business online, then it will always be your job.

    One more important thing - if you take IM as a job, it shows that you dont like it that much and it isnt something you are passionate about.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by Henri Lind View Post

      It all depends on what level you want to achieve.

      If you want to achieve 10 grands per month income, you work for it, reach it and then hire a VA to do everything for you so you could enjoy your life as you want.
      Great point, IM is outsourceable and that's the point of total financial and life freedom.

      To all the newbies reading this thread, stop looking for the easiest fastest way because its the easiest and fastest way to fail.

      Don't be afraid of the work involved to build a real online business.... Embrace it.

      You'll look back and see it was all worth it like the rest of us do.
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  • Profile picture of the author emelef
    Love your post. Couldn't agree more, niche is the way forward. But my piece is that doing anything only for money will always be a job. If you love what you do, you will never work a day in your life. So find something about the IM 'job' that you love. If you're not loving it at the moment find a new business - it can still be in IM, personally I think anyone would be crazy to leave this industry, but perhaps you don't have the right people around you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

    It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.
    I hate to disagree with your post but I think that this part of it alludes to why you see this problem.

    Not everyone is trying to escape from a job they hate, and not everyone is expecting their money to appear from the Internet with no work required.

    And since you're saying that you're happy with your model - who exactly is this "we" you're referring to when you say "we have turned IM into a JOB"?

    There are many IMers who are very happy with their model and revenue.

    For some the money is more of a focus than others - I know I was really intent on making money when I started out because money was a problem I had to solve, but now there are many things I don't do that would make money because my time and happiness are more important, so I think these things also change for each person as you progress.

    "WE" haven't turned IM into anything - IM is what you make it, so if you don't like what you've made - you only have yourself to blame and you can change it however you like.

    IM is not some template business model that you have to copy and stick to.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I hate to disagree with your post but I think that this part of it alludes to why you see this problem.

      Not everyone is trying to escape from a job they hate, and not everyone is expecting their money to appear from the Internet with no work required.

      And since you're saying that you're happy with your model - who exactly is this "we" you're referring to when you say "we have turned IM into a JOB"?

      There are many IMers who are very happy with their model and revenue.

      For some the money is more of a focus than others - I know I was really intent on making money when I started out because money was a problem I had to solve, but now there are many things I don't do that would make money because my time and happiness are more important, so I think these things also change for each person as you progress.

      "WE" haven't turned IM into anything - IM is what you make it, so if you don't like what you've made - you only have yourself to blame and you can change it however you like.

      IM is not some template business model that you have to copy and stick to.
      Being that you are one of the free and happy ones means that you are not included in the "we" I speak of. I'm talking to people who are struggling, confused and miserable trying to make it work. its a position i myself was once in and I personally made IM a terrible experience for myself and I want others who feel they are in a situation like that to know that it doesn't have to be that way.

      Congrats on your success!
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?
    We are as free as our perception permits.

    There are many people on civvy street thoroughly enjoying jobs others might see as mundane.

    It's good that things have got tougher. It separates the wheat from the chaff and forces those who assume that they can set up so called called "passive" income streams to interject themselves into the daily running of their business to provide a better level of service.

    I don't want my job to be easy. I want it to be challenging so that I can stand above others who can't be bothered.

    Daniel
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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
    if it were this easy everyone would be doing. don't be mislead! finding the perfect niche that brings in a rush of traffic is NOT that easy. You become an entrepreneur because you are a leader and enjoy helping people.

    IMHO if you have something about yourself that can help other people tho this strategy will work as he's laid it out. (A medical condition almost always works)

    But who wants to have that just so its nice and easy. If you don't want to put in whats necessary then DO get a job.

    It will NEVER BE EASY.

    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

    It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.

    From SEO, writing articles, building backlinks, creating videos, site submissions, creating a million websites, building social profiles and the list of "need-to-do's" goes on and on and on.

    No wonder why so many newbies get so lost and frustrated.

    Make no mistake about it, Internet Marketing takes work but that "work" doesn't have to be miserable.

    Here is my process for making money online and loving every minute of it,

    1. Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it

    2. Create content daily

    3. Build your own community within that niche and deliver value to them. (Build a list, facebook fanpage and group, followers and subscribers)

    4. Have Fun and Enjoy Yourself!

    Do this and you will never "work" another day in your life.

    Put the freedom back in IM!

    To your success,
    -Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

      if it were this easy everyone would be doing. don't be mislead! finding the perfect niche that brings in a rush of traffic is NOT that easy. You become an entrepreneur because you are a leader and enjoy helping people.

      IMHO if you have something about yourself that can help other people tho this strategy will work as he's laid it out. (A medical condition almost always works)

      But who wants to have that just so its nice and easy. If you don't want to put in whats necessary then DO get a job.

      It will NEVER BE EASY.
      I think some people might be taking my words too literally, let me clarify,

      I'm not using the word easy in its normal use. By easy I mean that if you are enjoying yourself it doesn't matter how hard the work is it will be easy to do.

      For example neurosurgery is hard but there are surgeons who love what they do so the "work" becomes easy.

      Hope that helped clarify some confusion
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  • Profile picture of the author AlwaysAwa
    Actually the method mention is same if you have a full time job, in nutshell do thing you love and like and from job become a joy.

    When you have the joy in doing IM, than you will be success. I know this, cause ask those who love their job.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Bumstead
    "Man! Dis job ain't nuthin but work!"

    Damn, I've been saying that for probably close to 10 years and I still laugh...
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    I agree. It is also refreshing to hear people speak the truth...
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterWahm
    I work darn hard at building my online business. The only difference is that I absolutely love what I do. Still, there are days when I pull several all-nighters in a row and then I wonder what the heck I've gotten myself into. Still, I wouldn't trade it for the world. It's my business, it's my job, it's my enterprise...whatever appellation you attach to it works for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by WriterWahm View Post

      I work darn hard at building my online business. The only difference is that I absolutely love what I do. Still, there are days when I pull several all-nighters in a row and then I wonder what the heck I've gotten myself into. Still, I wouldn't trade it for the world. It's my business, it's my job, it's my enterprise...whatever appellation you attach to it works for me.
      True story, couldn't have said it better myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    /\ Reported, thanks for ruining what might have been a good thread.

    As far as the labels you throw on it, I don't honestly care. Nor do I really consider what I do a "job". Because compared to my last job, they have nothing in common.

    1) I set my own hours. At most jobs, you can't do that.
    2) I'm my boss, unlike most jobs.
    3) I work about 1/3 as much, and make 6 times as much. Is it still "work"? Sure, but pay is good enough to distract me from that fact on a daily basis. The days I don't work, its even easier.
    4) Its all relative. Some people can run 100's of companies and still have time to play golf on the weekends. Other people run 1 business, and their life as they know it ceases to exist.
    5) If you're smart, a job is extremely risky (opportunity costs) compared to being an entrepeneur, buisnessman, salesman, or as this thread states being an internet marketer.

    Maybe thats the real issue? Maybe you people are just still marketers?

    Maybe you're not the entrepeneurs you thought you were?
    Maybe you still have a lot to learn?
    Like elimination, automation and outsourcing?

    Please don't tell me that you can't have a fully automated business. I know dozens of people who do. Not to mention, my own business is about half way there. It depends on how you set up your business model. Its far easier to BEGIN with the right model, then to start with the wrong model, and try to fix things later.

    You can call it a "job" all you want. And you will certaintly find the excuses to keep it that way.

    -Red
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  • Profile picture of the author Bri777
    I obviously LOVE this more than my old job. I don't care if it's hard. Five months ago I didn't even know you can make big bucks online. And now I'm starting to work my way up (holy guacamoly) Shooting for the stars ain't easy.

    All the pieces come into place as I look at it from the standpoint of "leverage".

    Let us not forget the fact that there are people who've made it. And they went through the same hard work "everybody hates".

    We can choose to pay the price to set up and build our leverage (which takes some time) or get back to getting paid de facto standard.

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  • Profile picture of the author shane1234
    Everything takes work but if that work allows me to be independent without answering to any uptight bosses all day, then that's the kind of work I would choose any day. This is freedom! Working for yourself, on your own time, any day of the week. What's not to love?
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  • Profile picture of the author stemurf
    Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it
    This is the perfect starting point!
    If you don't choose something you enjoy you will always see the work involved!
    As when you choose something you enjoy it isn't recognizable!
    Great post
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by stemurf View Post

      This is the perfect starting point!
      If you don't choose something you enjoy you will always see the work involved!
      As when you choose something you enjoy it isn't recognizable!
      Great post
      Nicely said, the work isn't recognizable when you enjoy it.
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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        When you have a job, yes it's pretty much defined what you will make (hours or salary or whatever), but with a business the amount you put into it is what you get out. If my effort is worth 6 figures a year then I will be getting that much back. But within a job if I'm giving them 6 figures worth of my effort, I may easily only be somewhere in the 5 figure range yearly.

        All I'm trying to get at is that a job filters your worth through levels of perceived value of your efforts. Within a business (at least in my own anyway) I see that the effort i put into it directly effects how much i get out. No filtering through perceived effort from a boss or anything like that.

        Additionally, I always hated the concept of raises. It's great to receive them, yes. But what if "they" say they can't afford it even if you're worth the money? I saw that situation when i had a job and that was one of the things that helped me see the very tangible and amazing benefits of business.
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  • Profile picture of the author ejullya
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

    It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.

    From SEO, writing articles, building backlinks, creating videos, site submissions, creating a million websites, building social profiles and the list of "need-to-do's" goes on and on and on.

    No wonder why so many newbies get so lost and frustrated.

    Make no mistake about it, Internet Marketing takes work but that "work" doesn't have to be miserable.

    Here is my process for making money online and loving every minute of it,

    1. Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it

    2. Create content daily

    3. Build your own community within that niche and deliver value to them. (Build a list, facebook fanpage and group, followers and subscribers)

    4. Have Fun and Enjoy Yourself!

    Do this and you will never "work" another day in your life.

    Put the freedom back in IM!

    To your success,
    -Chris
    Hi Chris,

    How soon we forget! I too am spending way more time on IM than on anything else. With the hours I devote to it I can certainly equate it to a job.

    Once in a while we need a reminder why we got into it to begin with. You are right! Thank you for the reminder.
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

    It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.

    From SEO, writing articles, building backlinks, creating videos, site submissions, creating a million websites, building social profiles and the list of "need-to-do's" goes on and on and on.

    No wonder why so many newbies get so lost and frustrated.

    Make no mistake about it, Internet Marketing takes work but that "work" doesn't have to be miserable.

    Here is my process for making money online and loving every minute of it,

    1. Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it

    2. Create content daily

    3. Build your own community within that niche and deliver value to them. (Build a list, facebook fanpage and group, followers and subscribers)

    4. Have Fun and Enjoy Yourself!

    Do this and you will never "work" another day in your life.

    Put the freedom back in IM!

    To your success,
    -Chris
    So where is the "freedom plan" in the advice above?

    All you are saying is that somehow doing what you "love" and "having fun and enjoying yourself" will somehow change your "Job" into something else.

    And unfortunately this is not true.

    Just because someone "feels good" about what they are doing, or "loves" the niche they have chosen doesn't mean they don't own a "Job"

    If you are truly seeking freedom, then the only things that are going to work, are creating systems, and hiring people to run those systems for you. And having a plan to setup these systems and your business so it can run without you.

    No amount of "feel good" strategies or "love your niche" advice will change those fundamental principles
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

      So where is the "freedom plan" in the advice above?

      All you are saying is that somehow doing what you "love" and "having fun and enjoying yourself" will somehow change your "Job" into something else.

      And unfortunately this is not true.

      Just because someone "feels good" about what they are doing, or "loves" the niche they have chosen doesn't mean they don't own a "Job"

      If you are truly seeking freedom, then the only things that are going to work, are creating systems, and hiring people to run those systems for you. And having a plan to setup these systems and your business so it can run without you.

      No amount of "feel good" strategies or "love your niche" advice will change those fundamental principles
      You missed the entire point of the thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Nice post, Chris. Earning money from your passions is incredibly important. If I am going to be running a real business, then I want to be in the fast lane and experience true freedom.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by Michael Ten View Post

      Nice post, Chris. Earning money from your passions is incredibly important. If I am going to be running a real business, then I want to be in the fast lane and experience true freedom.
      Glad you enjoyed it Michael.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    big picture that's all true, the challenge though comes when you have to get a short-term project done quickly and have to just grind it out and get it done, whether or not you feel like it... doing that hundreds of times over many years gets to be a bit exhausting... agree though wouldn't trade it for anything, the freedom is wonderful, as is all the customer accolades.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Yes, IM is a job, but at least we don't need to sit in traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
      I read the OP post early on today and I have to say #2 really got me thinking as I come from another perspective on this particular point.


      I decided to write a small article of my own about content, driving traffic and making a go at internet marketing in a parable story line about an Angler wanting to start his own business.


      Now let me state, content is great, and I do salute those that create unique articles, but here again are the issues.


      1. Many people cannot or lack some creativity to create good content.
      2. Tons of people are doing it.
      3. Much what is posted is rehashed and serves no worth.
      4. Unless you been under a rock, the Google Honeymoon is over, Google doesn't love new content the way it used too. They now look for trusted folks.


      So everyday in the Internet Marketers Bull Pit (Twitter,Facebook, Google+ and Others) I see everyone link bombing every platform and as of which provide no value.


      I see other IMers working their rear ends off to no avail. They go to these places to try to drag people to their sites (note I said drag), trying to convince these strangers they have a great site with great information or a product/service that can solve their problems.


      To be frank, people get tired of it on Social networks. Link dumping hashed content or dumping affiliate links all over the timelines is like someone taking a crap on your kitchen floor and leaving.


      These people know what you are doing and know your frame of mind.


      So here is my suggestion. Relax and use those social networks the way they were meant to be used. Engage other people in conversation and instead of trying to drag the people back to your site, share the content there. You will see things go a lot easier. You will gain trust,credibility and traffic and sales follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    To play devils advocate here...

    If your in this for the money, your probably better off doing something you don't like that makes money and sacrifice for a year or two. Try and make enough money so that you can truly focus on your passion for as long as it takes to start making money from it.

    You don't want to be stuck doing something you like, but isn't making you any money (unless you can afford to)...
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    • Profile picture of the author jinmin
      If we do something that we truly passionate about, at the same incorporate proper IM strategies (building list, build funnels, etc) that passion will turn into a profitable "job" that will pay out handsomely.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      You don't want to be stuck doing something you like, but isn't making you any money (unless you can afford to)...
      Good point, that's why it's important to make sure that the niche you go into is profitable and has a strong passionate community behind it.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    There's not much point in getting into something for the money if you don't enjoy it...

    WHy would you want to be a depressed millionaire?

    I think being passionate about what you do is the number 1 key to success because the truth is people's sub-conscious can see right through you if you're phony about your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeink
    I have not worked a day since I left school. My first coach/manager taught me to make a game of it. Things are easier to learn and do.

    As long as you enjoy doing something that you enjoy doing, then it is not a JOB, it could be a GAME.

    Example football players, their sport is a job also. They make a game of it and enjoy playing.

    Operating equipment is a job also. Make a game of it, thus you have more fun as the operator.

    Same for driving trucks.

    No matter what you do in life, enjoy it and make a game of it.

    Helping others can be hard at times or fun at times.
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    Been working for slave wages to long.

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  • I personally work like twice as hard and twice as many hours on my online business than I used to at my former corporate job... and God bless it!
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      I personally work like twice as hard and twice as many hours on my online business than I used to at my former corporate job... and God bless it!
      I agree I rather work 80 hours a week on my own business then 40 hours at the warehouse.
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  • we are as free as we allow ourselves to be. The freedom that comes with the business, though it takes more work than flipping veggie patties, comes from the contribution our hard work bestows onto our clients and customers (or visitors... for you adsense people).
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  • Profile picture of the author CaesarSEO
    I work 18 hours a day sometimes. But if it's more fun than playing games then why not?
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  • Profile picture of the author luane
    I found that anything BUT internet marketing is a JOB and an exchange for time versus paycheck. If you have the basic knowledge of SEO or video marketing, you can make money online. The key is Focus and Persistence!
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by luane View Post

      I found that anything BUT internet marketing is a JOB and an exchange for time versus paycheck. If you have the basic knowledge of SEO or video marketing, you can make money online. The key is Focus and Persistence!
      Very true!
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    That's a blueprint, you are totally right I agree with you
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    Sure IM can be a job.

    The succesful people treat IM as a business though. There is a difference between a business and a job.

    When you run a business you pay or automate the things you are talking about. Then it just becomes a matter of compounding.

    Me, i dont write any content now. I have full time writers writing for me. I just make websites and do SEO.

    If there is stuff that is backbreaking and low value, pay someone else to do it. IM doesnt have to be a job.

    It like the difference between deciding to run a coffee shop or start a chain of coffee shops.
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  • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
    “The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven’t found it yet, keep looking. Don’t settle.”
    – Steve Jobs
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    Looking at a definition of JOB - we get business, work, employment, occupation

    Personally I work in IM because I live abroad and it is the most viable option, I'd say I enjoy it about 80 per cent of the time, ideally I would own a little bookshop/cafe where I could play my own music, read books all day and meet up with my friends for a few beers- infact I did have that business for a couple of years but as fun as it was in the end it didn't pay the bills!

    I work longer than in my previous 9-5 job and I work harder but IM gives me the freedom to earn a scalable income in another country from the comfort of my own home.

    Once I reach an income that I would describe as 'very comfortable' I will trade dollars for time by outsourcing a lot more, until then this is pretty much a JOB for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author DarioMontesdeOca
    Well said!
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    For anyone who's making money from IM or is serious about trying to do so they aren't doing it because they don't want to put any work into it but because they like to be able t set their own rules, work when they want from where they want, not putting in all the effort into making money for someone else, no boss etc.

    It's not a case of just not doing any work.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      For anyone who's making money from IM or is serious about trying to do so they aren't doing it because they don't want to put any work into it but because they like to be able t set their own rules, work when they want from where they want, not putting in all the effort into making money for someone else, no boss etc.

      It's not a case of just not doing any work.
      Deffinetly, I think this is why most of us got in the IM game.
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  • Profile picture of the author joshuamason
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

    It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.

    From SEO, writing articles, building backlinks, creating videos, site submissions, creating a million websites, building social profiles and the list of "need-to-do's" goes on and on and on.

    No wonder why so many newbies get so lost and frustrated.

    Make no mistake about it, Internet Marketing takes work but that "work" doesn't have to be miserable.

    Here is my process for making money online and loving every minute of it,

    1. Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it

    2. Create content daily

    3. Build your own community within that niche and deliver value to them. (Build a list, facebook fanpage and group, followers and subscribers)

    4. Have Fun and Enjoy Yourself!

    Do this and you will never "work" another day in your life.

    Put the freedom back in IM!

    To your success,
    -Chris

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    Hell Yes! To every word here.

    Wealth cannot happen without WORK unless you win the Lotto or somebody "wills" it to you.

    But if you display a style of passion in that "work" is it still technically called "work"? We all should be so lucky to be able to love what we do! Strive for the passion and your work will succeed...you success will flourish...and the money just might roll in.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by joshuamason View Post

      Hey Chris-
      Hell Yes! To every word here.

      Wealth cannot happen without WORK unless you win the Lotto or somebody "wills" it to you.

      But if you display a style of passion in that "work" is it still technically called "work"? We all should be so lucky to be able to love what we do! Strive for the passion and your work will succeed...you success will flourish...and the money just might roll in.
      Excellent and perfectly said!
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  • Profile picture of the author alksense
    Great post, OP!

    I got started with IM to work less hours and to have free time to enjoy life.

    However, when I first started making REAL money I became obsessed with making more and more while working wayyyy too many hours and forgetting why I got started to begin with.

    I eventually cut out a lot of what I was doing that wasn't productive. I also started using software and a VA to automate a lot of things but that was only after about a year long cycle of me working like crazy when all I wanted to do was be working a few hours/day while traveling and golfing!
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by alksense View Post

      Great post, OP!

      I got started with IM to work less hours and to have free time to enjoy life.

      However, when I first started making REAL money I became obsessed with making more and more while working wayyyy too many hours and forgetting why I got started to begin with.

      I eventually cut out a lot of what I was doing that wasn't productive. I also started using software and a VA to automate a lot of things but that was only after about a year long cycle of me working like crazy when all I wanted to do was be working a few hours/day while traveling and golfing!
      That was exactly what happened to me, I got into IM for freedom, yes you have to pay your dues but it doesn't have to be miserable because your not working to make someone else rich anymore your doing it for you.

      Anyway I began to get very overwhelmed and miserable and it was only because I was doing a whole lot of uneccessary work.

      If you bring it back to basics and scale as you grow things will be a lot less stressful and a lot more enjoyable.
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  • Profile picture of the author luane
    I love it! That is WHY I got into IM in the first place. Keep it simple IS the best remedy. I have found that chasing every new method, plugin, spinner, etc. is the BEST way to find yourself confused and only making a pittance online versus the wonderful model began in this thread! Thanks for sharing and inspiring Newbies and Oldies alike! Kristie from Georgia
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until
    you return to the ground" Gen. 3:19

    Who said that work was to be fun? Who said that earning
    money was easy? If you are not "sweating" then you must
    be doing something wrong--like robbing somebody else?

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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until
      you return to the ground" Gen. 3:19

      Who said that work was to be fun? Who said that earning
      money was easy? If you are not "sweating" then you must
      be doing something wrong--like robbing somebody else?

      -Ray Edwards
      Very true, But just to clarify I'm not saying that its all rainbows and candy. Yes IM takes long hours and hard work but the payoff is worth the struggle. If it's a labor of love then the work is more enjoyable.

      I rather work hard for myself and have light at the end of the tunnel then work hard 40+ hours per week with no chance of anything.
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      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      If you are not "sweating" then you must
      be doing something wrong--like robbing somebody else?

      -Ray Edwards
      Not sure I would necessarily agree that you're robbing someone if you're not working hard for their money as sometimes the knowledge you have spent decades learning can help someone make massive changes with very little effort, but I do agree with the premise that you should be delivering actual value to people and not just whatever is the minimum to get their money.
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      • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        Not sure I would necessarily agree that you're robbing someone if you're not working hard for their money as sometimes the knowledge you have spent decades learning can help someone make massive changes with very little effort, but I do agree with the premise that you should be delivering actual value to people and not just whatever is the minimum to get their money.
        Most deffinetley, value is the key to a stable, long term business that will pay you for years to come.
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  • Profile picture of the author NathanZad
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    Here is my process for making money online and loving every minute of it,

    1. Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it

    2. Create content daily

    3. Build your own community within that niche and deliver value to them. (Build a list, facebook fanpage and group, followers and subscribers)

    4. Have Fun and Enjoy Yourself!

    Do this and you will never "work" another day in your life.

    Put the freedom back in IM!

    To your success,
    -Chris
    This. Absolutely.

    However, I think people get hung up on #1 simply because they either think 'it's all been done before' or they don't have the motivation/belief to learn new stuff. I know this has been my big stumbling block in the past.

    Lots of folks don't get into IM for the joy of sharing or learning about something cool, or for the passion of building something... they're doing it for the quick buck. And they struggle, for years. Like I have.
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    • Profile picture of the author mogulmap
      Originally Posted by NathanZad View Post

      This. Absolutely.

      However, I think people get hung up on #1 simply because they either think 'it's all been done before' or they don't have the motivation/belief to learn new stuff. I know this has been my big stumbling block in the past.

      Lots of folks don't get into IM for the joy of sharing or learning about something cool, or for the passion of building something... they're doing it for the quick buck. And they struggle, for years. Like I have.
      Very true Nathan, I think the quickest way to misery is looking for the quick buck. Your better off buying a lotto ticket and going and doing something fun with the rest of your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlueFrogSEO
    Originally Posted by mogulmap View Post

    What happened to getting into IM for freedom?

    It seems to me that we have turned Internet Marketing into the JOB that we were all trying to escape from.

    From SEO, writing articles, building backlinks, creating videos, site submissions, creating a million websites, building social profiles and the list of "need-to-do's" goes on and on and on.

    No wonder why so many newbies get so lost and frustrated.

    Make no mistake about it, Internet Marketing takes work but that "work" doesn't have to be miserable.

    Here is my process for making money online and loving every minute of it,

    1. Pick a niche that you LOVE or would enjoy learning more about and one that has a passionate community that surrounds it

    2. Create content daily

    3. Build your own community within that niche and deliver value to them. (Build a list, facebook fanpage and group, followers and subscribers)

    4. Have Fun and Enjoy Yourself!

    Do this and you will never "work" another day in your life.

    Put the freedom back in IM!

    To your success,
    -Chris
    Great post, the other important thing to remember is to not expect things to happen over night it all takes time...

    thanks for the post its uplifting.

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