This List Building Tactic Works Great!

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Lately, I've been testing a list building tactic that has been working very well for me and I wanted to share this with others that want a way to build a list fast with no costs.

<< Salary Surveys >>

You can create short survey's to get people to respond to you and then have them opt in to get the results. I use this frequently on LinkedIn groups and Facebook. For example, I post something like this...

Take the 2013 XXX Salary Survey and Find Out How Your Salary Compares

Where XXX is whatever Niche employment industry, For example, Accounting, Civil Engineering, or whatever...

I then take them to a brief salary survey, they complete the survey and click on the submit button.

Once they submit there results, they are directed to a squeeze page that asks them to opt in so that I can send them the Salary Survey results.

Once they Submit their email address I take them to a one time offer of a relative product in that niche.

BOOM! They're now on my list, in my sales funnel and potentially just bought something. ALL because of a free post about a salary survey.

You can easily get survey software and scripts, or you can use a service like Survey Monkey and the likes.

I hope this was helpful to someone!
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  • Profile picture of the author jbyte
    Interesting idea, thanks for sharing.

    Do you notify them ahead of time that they are on a email list - my one concern is they might tag any future emails as spam. I am assuming they get a confirmation email?
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    • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
      Originally Posted by jbyte View Post

      Interesting idea, thanks for sharing.

      Do you notify them ahead of time that they are on a email list - my one concern is they might tag any future emails as spam. I am assuming they get a confirmation email?
      I tell them to Enter their email address on my squeeze page so that they can get the results emailed to them. Therefore, they are being notified. Plus the follow up welcome email tells them that I'll be sending them the results within the next day and to be on the look out for that email and other related emails.

      They key is to ONLY give them emails that are relevant to the Industry! For example, the next two emails should be informative and not selling anything. For example I might send them a few tips on how to snaz up their resume / CV.

      Just keep everything related to the niche / employment industry and you're golden.

      Oh yea, I always turn off the Double Opt-In on aWeber. That way they are automatically added to the list.
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    • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
      Originally Posted by Sushiman1111 View Post

      Interesting idea. I'm curious about the percentage of buyers/subscribers you're getting using this method. Higher, lower, or about the same as other lists?
      I am finding that this method works very well and is working better than most other methods for me. They are getting into my funnel, so they don't always buy the OTO on the salary survey squeeze page. However, they will get other emails and offers that they purchase in my funnel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

    I was able to get 250 subscribers within 1 week.
    Did any of them buy anything, Derek?

    Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

    You can create short survey's to get people to respond to you and then have them opt in to get the results.
    I wish you well with it, but it doesn't, somehow, sound quite like "permission-based email marketing", does it? I see that it can build a list of people who want to get the results, and that the subscriber numbers may be satisfying. It's less clear that the income will be, perhaps? It's not so easy to imagine that it's a list of qualified customers interested in buying anything from you? Might it perhaps be a quantitative rather than a qualitative approach to list-building? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Did any of them buy anything, Derek?

      I wish you well with it, but it doesn't, somehow, sound quite like "permission-based email marketing", does it? I see that it can build a list of people who want to get the results, and that the subscriber numbers may be satisfying. It's less clear that the income will be, perhaps? It's not so easy to imagine that it's a list of qualified customers interested in buying anything from you? Might it perhaps be a quantitative rather than a qualitative approach to list-building? :confused:
      Alexa,

      I had a 6% Conversion for people who bought the one time offer after the initial opt-in. In addition they were added to my main list for the niche. This is not the make money niche and every email I sent them was relevant. I have had almost no unsubscribes.

      Why would you say it's not permission based email marketing? It is in fact permission based. They opt'd In to my list and they can unsubscribe any time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

        I had a 6% Conversion for people who bought the one time offer after the initial opt-in.
        Well done - much better than I'd mistakenly imagined.

        Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

        Why would you say it's not permission based email marketing?
        Because you're getting their permission to send them an email for one specific purpose, and then using it for something completely different (I don't for a moment suggest that you're alone in doing that, of course!).

        Some people have the view that that significantly dilutes the "permission".

        (I may be mistaken, but I'd venture to suggest that Aweber might also view it that way, if you chose to discuss it with them.)

        Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

        It is in fact permission based. They opt'd In to my list and they can unsubscribe any time.
        They opted in without knowing what they were going to receive, it seems to me. They've given permission for one thing and you're sending them another. But successfully, anyway, for now, it seems. Well, plenty of people do that, one way and another, I grant you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    There was a plugin advertised as a WSO on here a while back that did similar, instead of the typical squeeze page they took a survey then entered their email to get the results. I was looking for it a while back but couldn't find it, anyone know the name?

    I hadn't thought to do it with survey monkey THEN redirect to a squeeze page because it seemed like it would kind of defeat the purpose but I can see how it might work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Derek,

    I have a few questions about your process:

    1. Do you tell them before they begin filling out the survey that in order to receive the results they have to opt-in and that they'll get relevant emails also?
    2. Do you tell them on the squeeze page that the results will come only a day after they subscribe (is it because you have to manually manage the results, or is it just your choice?)

    Let me tell you why I ask:

    First, if I have to complete a survey or any type of test only to find out at the end that actually I need to subscribe to a list, I consider it a sneaky trick, as a visitor. I mean, nobody expects that. I've invested time and probably some emotions, so I'm committed, and all of a sudden I have to give something back in order to get my hands on the results. If you stated it beforehand, than that's perfectly acceptable.

    In addition, finding out upon finally deciding to subscribe that I'll also receive additional emails bothers me even more. Even if you send me top notch emails, the question still remains: Why didn't you tell me before signing-up? Saying that I have the option of unsubscribing isn't an argument, because that way anyone with an email database can send offers and justify that if one doesn't want to receive further emails, one can just unsubscribe.

    Second, if I do subscribe, I, like most people, expect the results right away. I know a guy who has an self-help blog and brags about how good his freebie is. People get all pumped up and subscribe, only to find out that he's only emailing the download link a day after. I don't think anyone in that position will be jumping out of their seats out of joy.

    I'm just asking, and I'm not accusing you of anything (with a 6% conversion rate, you clearly aren't spamming anyone), and everything is just my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      Derek,

      I have a few questions about your process:

      1. Do you tell them before they begin filling out the survey that in order to receive the results they have to opt-in and that they'll get relevant emails also?
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      Absolutely Not. I would not be a good marketer if I did.

      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      2. Do you tell them on the squeeze page that the results will come only a day after they subscribe (is it because you have to manually manage the results, or is it just your choice?)
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      It's all automated. My autoresponder will send them the results automatically on day 2

      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      Let me tell you why I ask:

      First, if I have to complete a survey or any type of test only to find out at the end that actually I need to subscribe to a list, I consider it a sneaky trick, as a visitor. I mean, nobody expects that. I've invested time and probably some emotions, so I'm committed, and all of a sudden I have to give something back in order to get my hands on the results. If you stated it beforehand, than that's perfectly acceptable.

      In addition, finding out upon finally deciding to subscribe that I'll also receive additional emails bothers me even more. Even if you send me top notch emails, the question still remains: Why didn't you tell me before signing-up? Saying that I have the option of unsubscribing isn't an argument, because that way anyone with an email database can send offers and justify that if one doesn't want to receive further emails, one can just unsubscribe.
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      Well, I send High Quality emails but they get results on day 2. So the very first thing they get are the results. After that, I'll send emails but targeted high quality. They can unsubscribe, but few do.


      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      Second, if I do subscribe, I, like most people, expect the results right away. I know a guy who has an self-help blog and brags about how good his freebie is. People get all pumped up and subscribe, only to find out that he's only emailing the download link a day after. I don't think anyone in that position will be jumping out of their seats out of joy.
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      Well, again, this has been working well with very few unsubscribes.


      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      I'm just asking, and I'm not accusing you of anything (with a 6% conversion rate, you clearly aren't spamming anyone), and everything is just my opinion.
      Why Thank You.. I never thought you were accusing me of anything. When something works, you just keep doing it until it does not work anymore, right?

      That's what good marketers do.

      Thank you for your interest and all the questions!
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Derek, I've seen similar approaches for years. This is not a criticism. It just shows that a sound tactic can be adapted to many uses. Well done on that part of it.

        I do share some of Alexa's and Lucian's concerns, but I won't venture an opinion without seeing your execution. I've gone through this process as a subscriber many times over the last decade. Sometimes, things are transparent and I know exactly what I'm getting into, and I choose to get in anyway. Sometimes I do feel deceived and bolt as soon as I know I've been had.

        One question that may help clear things up. What do you do with the data provided by the new subscriber? Is it added to the aggregate results of the survey, the results provided on the second day?

        I've seen this type of setup where the day's results are compiled and add to aggregate results and a new report generated on a daily basis. If that's how your setup works, there's a perfectly rational reason for the two-day delay, one you should have no problem sharing.

        People, especially outside the IM/MMO markets, are often smarter than we give them credit for being. If you tell them the truth - that the updated survey results take a day for processing - and that in the meantime, here's an intro email and a recommendation for a product they might be interested in, they'll take it in stride.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Absolutely Not. I would not be a good marketer if I did.
    You'd be an honest marketer who they could trust which in many peoples eyes would be a good thing. Marketing isn't about tricking people into things to get results.
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    • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      You'd be an honest marketer who they could trust which in many peoples eyes would be a good thing. Marketing isn't about tricking people into things to get results.
      Seriously? I AM an honest marketer and I am not tricking anyone. Good Grief!
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      • Profile picture of the author James Clark
        Well if they are buying something you don't have a thing to worry about. Just keep on doing the same thing but do much more of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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        Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

        Seriously? I AM an honest marketer and I am not tricking anyone. Good Grief!

        I am fairly certain it's actually a legal requirment to let people know they will be receiving emails from you after they opt-in.
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        • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
          Originally Posted by ryanmilligan View Post

          I am fairly certain it's actually a legal requirment to let people know they will be receiving emails from you after they opt-in.
          And that's exactly what I do. Let me help you understand... They take the survey, then get directed to the optin squeeze page which clearly states.....

          "We will send you the Salary Survey Results to your Inbox. In order to be notified and receive the results, please enter your name and email address below."

          Its working, Its ethical, it IS permission based. Now, if you have a better tip on marketing and making money, post it and share.. But PLEASE stop trying to tell me what I am doing is wrong or unethical because Like I said, hardly no one opts out, they love what I send them, and they are buying

          So Paaaaleeease.....
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          • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
            Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

            And that's exactly what I do. Let me help you understand... They take the survey, then get directed to the optin squeeze page which clearly states.....

            "We will send you the Salary Survey Results to your Inbox. In order to be notified and receive the results, please enter your name and email address below."

            Its working, Its ethical, it IS permission based. Now, if you have a better tip on marketing and making money, post it and share.. But PLEASE stop trying to tell me what I am doing is wrong or unethical because Like I said, hardly no one opts out, they love what I send them, and they are buying

            So Paaaaleeease.....
            Just to clarify, the reason most people have a problem with is that you do get permission for the survey results email, but you extend it to additional emails on the basis that if they want to stop receiving them, they can always unsubscribe.

            That's it.

            But can I ask you something? would it be a issue for you to tell them that you'll send the survey results and additional emails on the squeeze page? and if yes, why?
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            • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
              Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

              But can I ask you something? would it be a issue for you to tell them that you'll send the survey results and additional emails on the squeeze page? and if yes, why?
              At this point, I'm not concerned what others think or whether they have a problem with my method, because its working! It's not an issue for me to tell them that they'll receive other emails on the squeeze page, but tell me what marketer offers something on a squeeze page and tells them to enter their name and email to receive it but then tells them everything else they're going to send them.

              Tell me one good marketer that does this? Does Joel Therien? How about Mack Zadan? How about Frank Kern?
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

                At this point, I'm not concerned what others think or whether they have a problem with my method, because its working! It's not an issue for me to tell them that they'll receive other emails on the squeeze page, but tell me what marketer offers something on a squeeze page and tells them to enter their name and email to receive it but then tells them everything else they're going to send them.

                Tell me one good marketer that does this? Does Joel Therien? How about Mack Zadan? How about Frank Kern?
                Derek, you don't have to publish a schedule, but you don't have to ignore the issue, either.

                Make it a plus...

                Here's a test you may want to try.

                Add one sentence to your CTA:
                "We will send you the Salary Survey Results to your Inbox. To make these results more useful, we'll also send you supplemental information by email. In order to be notified and receive the results, please enter your name and email address below."
                If it works, cool. If not, drop it and hope things continue to go well.

                Just an idea...
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      • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
        Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

        Seriously? I AM an honest marketer and I am not tricking anyone. Good Grief!
        Well it was yourself who said "you wouldn't be a good marketer" if you informed them that they would receive emails from you. So if you're not informing then then you're not being honest are you?
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        • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
          Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

          Well it was yourself who said "you wouldn't be a good marketer" if you informed them that they would receive emails from you. So if you're not informing then then you're not being honest are you?
          NO! The question was do you tell them you are going to email them BEFORE they take the survey. The answer to that was No..... But BEFORE they opt-in, YES I tell them they will get emails.

          Why is this so difficult to understand?
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

            NO! The question was do you tell them you are going to email them BEFORE they take the survey. The answer to that was No..... But BEFORE they opt-in, YES I tell them they will get emails.
            To be fair, you hadn't actually mentioned this before. "Just saying"!

            Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

            Why is this so difficult to understand?
            I don't think it's difficult to understand, per se.

            I think it's more that some people clearly feel a little less comfortable about it than others. That doesn't make anyone "right" or "wrong" about it, either way, of course, but it's natural enough that opinions will vary somewhat, I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pete Lauder
    Thanks for sharing the insight into your listbuilding tactic, I think it's a great method, and another outside the box train of thought.

    It is just a shame, when someone, like yourself posts valuable information, on a method that is working for them, that someone else decides that this practise needs some form of policing.

    Let the governors govern, and the marketers market.

    Pete
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Pete Lauder View Post

      Let the governors govern, and the marketers market.

      Pete
      As a general observation, Pete, it's often the marketers' marketing that leads to the governors governing...
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  • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    6% is pretty damned impressive. Kudos.
    Thanks Ken!
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  • Profile picture of the author a1pena
    Interesting, a little more user interaction is always nice. What software or program do u use to make the survey's
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  • Profile picture of the author t3cn1c0
    I've recently begun studying and wanted to build list for different niches. Incorporating survey in the process is a good twist. Plus, I think you'll get a more responsive list, which just shows on your 6% conversion rate.

    Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
    Just to prove my case further, I posted another link on LinkedIn within the Groups regarding my Salary Survey on Easter Sunday. Since then, I gained another 50 targeted subscribers and made another 2 sales.. That time it was only 4% conversion.

    But they're now in the funnel, they'll get the survey results the next day followed by a few good quality content emails and then... a few promotional emails.
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