What is the major appeal to site flipping?

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In the last half year or so (as far as I've noticed anyway), it seems like site flipping has really taken off. Why?

When I break it down to the fundamentals (as I understand them anyway), there seems to be some logic issues behind this practice.

Basically, you are selling a product, that you've created. You create a website, and then you sell it. Easy enough.

The more work you put into said site, the more you can charge, seems pretty basic.

But ultimately, due to the large number of site flippers, most people want to buy websites with established traffic, and established income. That also makes sense, I won't go buy a car if I can't check the maintenance records and look under the hood.

That's also where it gets weird to me. You are essentially creating an income stream, and then selling that stream for income (odd in and of itself). You expect to get 6-20 times your monthly income from that site, as it is a system, and doesn't have a set value.

My question is, if you can do something like that with any kind of regularity, why wouldn't you continuously do it?

I've sold several sites in the past. One of which garnered almost $140,000, and several more in the mid 5 figure range. I know that for me, selling the sites took a fair amount of effort, and time. I sell sites because I no longer have the want to maintain them, or because I need quick capital. I have never created a site with the intent to sell it.

To me it seems as though people are greedy, and will do anything for a quick payday, or perhaps are lazy, and refuse to see a project out to its full potential.

So what is the big deal behind site flipping? Sounds to me like anyone with this ability would be wasting it by selling the site, when you could easily outsource the workload and maintain the site, or outsource the method to getting the sites profitable, and start mass producing.

Any insight?
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  • Profile picture of the author googleninja
    i think of it that way as well... i think its because of these site flipping ebooks. before, it used to be that before a site sells, it has to be profitable. now, flippers are like creating a cookie-cutter site/product w/o any intentions of really trying to make money from it. instead they throw it quickly into the auctions hoping to make a quick buck..
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  • Profile picture of the author XiahouDun
    Let's say you create a website that cost you 600$ (including marketing) and it is earning 300$/month. You can flip it for about 3000$ and then create another 5 websites at 600$ that would be earning 1500$/month between the five.

    Ok, that's only theory, but I think it is the aproache that has to be taken with site flipping: creating a nice bunch of websites earning mothly income, then keeping the most profitables ones and selling the rest, and creating ever more websites for a nice passive income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roshan C
    I think its just because: people want Instant Cash! And they are flipping their site's to make more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Chris you nailed it with "people are greedy"

    Not having flipped a site, people are making out that it is good money, but they forget that the time they have taken means they are at a loss.

    Let's use a basic example, people have to buy a domain name, set up hosting, put up a wordpress blog, install the new template and also the plugins. They then put in 10 posts all of which they have written themselves or bought as PLR.

    Now they would say that isn't much work, but let's be kind and say including the writing it has taken 5 hours to do. They flip it for $100 thinking they have made that profit, the reality is unless they work for less than $20 an hour they have made nothing.

    It seems that people are saying established site - how established can a site be when the domain is less than a week old.

    Domain is worth 4 or 5 figures - right brand new and we know that these certificates are not worth the paper they are written on. Answer the right questions and you can get a domain name to look like it is worth money.

    I forgot you then sell them cheap hosting at $20 a month, charge $50 to move the blog to another host etc.

    You now have people creating the made for clickbank sites, which used to be selling a PLR book with the sales pages etc, but it looks better. The idea is to launch it here on the WSO, make sales and get traffic and when it looks like sales are dying (the book is no longer useful) then sell it showing how much money people can make.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      Chris you nailed it with "people are greedy"
      Nothing greedy about it really. It's a valid business model like any other. You're providing a service that people want. I make a good living at buying and designing sites and selling them. I'd love doing it and I much prefer it over affiliate marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    For me, it ain't about flipping each and every thing I got.

    I've three types of sites -- one which I maintain in the long term, one mid term ones, one short term ones. Short and mid term ones essentially fund the long term ones and act as a cashflow medium. Nothing else.

    I'll never flip the long term ones (unless of course I need some instant big cash), and use the short term ones to fund them. Works good for me.

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    Originally Posted by Bev Clement
    Chris you nailed it with "people are greedy"

    Not having flipped a site, people are making out that it is good money, but they forget that the time they have taken means they are at a loss.

    Let's use a basic example, people have to buy a domain name, set up hosting, put up a wordpress blog, install the new template and also the plugins. They then put in 10 posts all of which they have written themselves or bought as PLR.

    Now they would say that isn't much work, but let's be kind and say including the writing it has taken 5 hours to do. They flip it for $100 thinking they have made that profit, the reality is unless they work for less than $20 an hour they have made nothing.

    It seems that people are saying established site - how established can a site be when the domain is less than a week old.

    Domain is worth 4 or 5 figures - right brand new and we know that these certificates are not worth the paper they are written on. Answer the right questions and you can get a domain name to look like it is worth money.

    I forgot you then sell them cheap hosting at $20 a month, charge $50 to move the blog to another host etc.

    You now have people creating the made for clickbank sites, which used to be selling a PLR book with the sales pages etc, but it looks better. The idea is to launch it here on the WSO, make sales and get traffic and when it looks like sales are dying (the book is no longer useful) then sell it showing how much money people can make.


    Bev,

    I'd disagree on some parts.

    A general blog flip ain't really much work.

    - You get a domain name
    - Setup account
    - Install wordpress, themes, plugins

    Outsource the rest of the part (content - $30 + design $40). Your total costs are around $100 and you'll be spending around an hour to set it all up, and put it all up for sale. I usually sell them for around $200. That's $100 for one hour of work.

    Do it for 5 websites and that's good profit. "Potentially" the website could have fetched a lot more in the long term, but to collect some capital to be used to fund other projects, I'd do a few flips here and there and use it.

    Greed ain't a factor, at least not with me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
      I agree with you to a point, most people starting to flip sites, don't have the money to outsource, and even though all those jobs are like 5 mins each, people rarely take them into consideration when working out their profit.

      The models I gave are models being used by people here. They are teaching newbies how to make instant cash.

      Read the model again, about an established site, and a domain name worth 4 or 5 figures. They are lying to people desperate for an income and they have no idea whether the site will sell or not.

      Gone are the days of Made for adsense, then it was made for ebay which would be flipped, now it is made for clickbank.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      I'll usually split it up. I'll build a site and keep it, and then I'll build a site and sell it. I just sold a site yesterday for $10k that only took me 2 months to put together, and build up traffic w/ revenue.

      You can usually get 10x your monthly profit. So if you can make at least 1 website per month, keep them for a few months to build up revenue, and then sell them on a monthly basis, you'll be effectively increasing your revenue 10x.

      Of course it's hard work, and it won't last forever. That's why you keep half of them. But as long as you can get 10x the monthly revenue for a website, why not do it? Especially with the way the internet is, you never know when Google will change things up, and your traffic will dry up.
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  • Profile picture of the author esr
    While there may be some out there flipping blogs due to "greed," that is not always the case.

    I, myself, tried to make money for nine months straight, and made less than $100 during that time.

    When I found blog flipping, I finally started making good money, enough so that it has replaced the money I used to make in my job.

    I have realized that the reason I flip blogs is for the simple fact that I suck at driving traffic to my sites. I just don't know how to do it. Other than one time when I submitted a site to a social bookmarking site and for some reason got over 800 unique visitors in one day, I never got more than 20 hits to any of my sites in one day.

    I accept the fact that I have no traffic getting skills, so I stick with what I'm good at, building blogs. Does that make me greedy or just after a quick buck? I don't think so.

    I have one customer who buys many blogs from me and she says that getting traffic is easy for her, but she has no desire to learn coding or anything else included in building her blogs. The way I see it, my blog flipping benefits us both.

    And, I can feel good, knowing that I am actually creating a "real" product that can help others make money.
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  • I wasn't referring to people who build blogs for others and flip them. You are more or less providing a service, rather than a direct product.

    I was referencing the people who create blogs, then drive traffic and make sales, and use that as leverage to sell the site for even more money.

    If you weren't able to make money before, and now can create a solid income, well that's downright awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author esr
    OIC. It's true, if I was able to drive traffic and make sales with all of the blogs I build, I definitely wouldn't sell them. I'm sure I'd be making a lot more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    I think the best way to answer your questions is to tell you why site flippers still flip sites even though it sounds like a bad business:

    1 - Quick Cash
    Cash is the most liquid form of assets. Who doesn't want quick cash?

    2 - No marketing skills needed if you are selling start-up sites
    Start-ups don't need to be promoted. So -- no marketing skills are needed.

    3 - Reducing the risks

    OK, this is a little different. If you have a site that makes $500 a month, you would be making $6,000 annually -- with maintenance works and time commitment. If you sell the site for $6,000 in the third month, you will make $5,500 (average valuation) + $1,500 = $7,000. Not only you made more money, you also eliminate all the headaches, maintenance works and efforts needed to maintain the site. Get what i mean?

    4 - Site flipping is addictive

    I cant explain this to you with words -- but many of my students who flip their first few sites started to get hooked with the game.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I agree completely with ESR - I am in the same position, I am not as good at the promotional side of things so I stick to what I'm good at. I too have had customers that come back and buy from me again so my sites couldn't have been all too bad if they come back and buy more.

    Everyone is good at different things, I am creating complete websites for people that don't know the first thing about creating a website for themselves. That's not greedy, it's providing a service, providing a product - is that not what they whole world does for a job, basically everyone is providing some sort of product or service to others and site flipping is no different.
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